RESEARCH FOR A FIRST TIME NECRO

[Dravlien]

[B]I am a Lvl 32 necromancer and want to start researching spells. I am already lvl 16 in research as i put points inot using my guildmaster. But now i am clueless. I have no idea what to do now. I know the quest for evil research, but i have never been to South Ro before and wouldn't know where to start looking and i dont know where to get parchments and quills from that you need to have to do the quest.

Can Anyone help me?

Dravlien Nethrethar
Level 32
Dark elf Necromancer

[GrrymmReepper]

First, I would recomend putting ALL of your training points into research. If your trainer tells you that you are already as far as you can go at your lvl and you still have points left, save them for next lvl. I am 200 research on my 58 necro and have never done any of the rune skillups. I just put points into research at the trainer.

Parchments and quills are sold at your home city and also some place in PoK. I just bought 2 stacks of each to put into my bank and pull them out as I need them.

Keep in mind too that not all spells can be researched in the Book of Dark Bindings either. You will need to head to Gunthak and talk to a High Elf there to get the LoY book to do higher lvl research spells. You can look this up on Alla's since I dont recall the name of the NPC you need to talk to. He is in one of the huts near the lighthouse though.

Hope this helps you, its all I know on research at this time.

Grrymm Reepperr , 58 necro on Quellious

[Inforapound]

You won't need quills or parchment til you try advanced research i.e. lvl 50+ spells. It does no harm to have them ready, however I got tired of them in my bank for a month unused.
The concordance quests aren't worth the trouble imho; I agree GrrymmReepper in using training points for research, that's how I went from 96 to 200.

[Aryse Andenter]

While sinking your points into research isn't a bad idea, research is also a damn easy skill to increase the old fashioned way. Words are easy to come across and skill-ups are frequent... I get them for like every two to three combinations I do, or something close to that. It's just up to you which route to take. So far I've just increased my skill doing spell combinations, but when the words become rarer and more expensive for the higher spells, I will start sinking points in.

I highly recommend forgetting you ever heard of the practise runes (SRo quest). Collecting words and trying real spell combinations saves you tons of time and effort, first and foremost because there are just so many different options to skill-up with, and also gives you something useful in the end - a spell you need or can sell to other players. On Sullon, the practise Rune components are a lot more expensive than words too.

Once your research hits at least 101 head to the Gulf of Gunthak and talk to Researcher Alvarik who is located at loc 1375, 75. He will give you a Warlock's Book of Dark Bindings. This will completely replace your old book (you can get rid of that at this point) as you can make both all the lower level spells and the higher ones too in the new book.

There are a ton of websites with lists of researchable spells and components, some on this site too. Just check out a few to find a format that works best for you. Good luck!

[NeSikWay]

I started out, making spells, selling them or giving spells to necros that needed them. Now that I'm higher, the cost for words vs. the cost for buying training, the training is cheaper per point. So skill up as long as its easy and you can make a little money at it, then use the trainer. Need a quick reference guild I've built one for those who would like one, it uses all the necro websites and consolidates the data. please feel free to download this and change it to meet your needs.

Necro spell research (http://home.ripway.com/2003-12/48207/necro%20info/Necrospellresearch.doc)

[Dravlien]

[B]Thx to all of you but i think i will go with what the Grryyymm reaper said

Dravlien Necrethar
32 Necromancer
Dark Elf

[NeSikWay]

well, it does hurt some if you ever want to skill up to do the shawl quest, cause you've spent all your points on research.

[Tordal]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Mar 23 2004, 09:57 PM
While sinking your points into research isn't a bad idea, research is also a damn easy skill to increase the old fashioned way. Words are easy to come across and skill-ups are frequent...
Research is "damn easy" to raise via merchant shopping -- until you hit about 120 or 130 in skill, then finding the words for the level 44+ spells becomes a real pain in the ass. My advice is to save ALL your training points until you get to the point where you can no longer reliably find words to skill-up your research doing the combines -- then spend what points you have saved up for skill-ups. There's no sense in wasting training points to get you from 1-80 in research when you can do it the old fashioned way early on, then spend those same 80 training points to get you from 120 to 200 later in life.

On my server (Xev) the research-only spells sell for good plat in the Bazaar, and consequently people capitalize on that fact and actually resell the WORDS to make those expensive spells for good plat. I have no qualms about buying words for DMF, Invoke Death, etc from players for 35-40p each because I know I can turn around and sell a successful combine for 300-500 plat.

In any case, research is labor of love for some necros. Collecting words and making spells can be a good tradeskill to earn extra plat if you don't mind merchant mining. Plus, when you whip up a copy of Pox of Bertoloxuus with 1k worth of words and turn it around for 10k - you're in pretty good shape later!

Tordal Graveminder
50th Season of Pain - Dark Elf Necro of Innoruuk
XEV - Order of Seibwen

[Fizzleplink]

Well, I did a mix. Words, practice runes (who the hell thought up the components for THOSE), and a few points bought. Mostly the later points bought. I was never at a loss for most lower words, and have done a decent business selling low end spells for well under average market price.

[NeSikWay]

I did a mixture, but it is true the last 40 to 60 I bought from the guild master. Especially the last 20, it cheaper and easier to just buy those points from the guild master rather than wasting them on spells because those spells can pay you back the money you taken to learn the skill. Now I dont charge for a combine for another necro, if he has the words, if I find the words I hold them, or if running short, I'll buy a few combin and sell them. its good money.

[Tumi]

Trying to skill up research via combines is like skilling up trades, it tedious and time consuming. Everytime you hit another level, run to your guild master and train in research. Print out a chart of what words combine to make what spell and certainly practice the combines as you get the opportunity, but I would not go out of my way searching out words for 'practice'. Quills and parchment are cheap and can be bought from necro guild vendors. They are always available so it does not make sense to stock pile them before you need them. You are also going to want to shop the bazaar for a gearlock quill ( I think that is the name ), it will enhance your combine chances by 5% when you put it in your primary slot before doing a combine. And last, do not attempt to combine spells that you consider critical or hard to find while your skill is low. Find another necromancer with a 200 skill and ask if they would mind doing the combine for you. I hear your first book can be purchased in South Ro if you are an evil race. The gypsys in Karana also sell the book. I am DEF, so I just had someone else buy my first book from the gypsy camp for me...no big deal. There are alot of necromancers that dont bother with research. they simply have others do the combines for them. Chances are pretty good, especially if you waited until late in the game to pursue research, that by the time you hit 200, you won't require the skill for yourself any longer...but combining words into high level spells is a good way to make money in the bazaar......so it is a useful skill to have.

Tumi

[wyntyr]

You only need 2 words to get your research to 180. Words of Crippling Force and Words of the Ethereal. The great thing about this combine is that you only need to put one word in your book and hit combine for a chance at a skillup.

Words of Crippling Force make the spell Paralyzing Earth (Trivial 182)

Words of the Ethereal make the spell Lich (trivial 182)

While these words aren't terribly common, taking 20 minutes or so to run around PoK vendors usually nets me 4 or 5 of each on the days right after a patch. They run ~10p from npc vendors and sometimes less from pc vendors in the bazaar.

[Tumi]

Mind you, I maxed out my research with training points, and if I picked up a few along the way attempting combines, it was trivial to my over all progression....so I really can't dispute people who recommend you advance by way of combines....but if research combines advance at the same level as trade skills, with which I am very familiar , assuming 1 skill point per stack and 10 plat per word, for one word combines, that equates to 200 plat per stack, to a skill level of 182 equals 36,400 plat. :blink: Obviously at lower levels you will exceed 1 skill up per stack, but at higher levels, you can very well exceed 1 stack per skill up, so it evens out. Also, you may purchase words for less than 10 plat, but even at half that amount it's alot. Resale and make up the diff ? Last I looked these spells were going for next to nothing, and it would require a lot of necromancers to buy them all up......IMHO ;)

Tumi

[Aryse Andenter]

Grrrr, I have a bone to pick with people who quote my posts misleadingly. You all need to read posts in full, stop quoting stuff out of context, and read through the info there.... it would help avoid something misleading like the caluclations in Tumi's post for example.

I state that I get a skill up every 2 or 3 combines.... this is considerably better than tradeskills, and the cost is significantly reduced. It is not even close to one skill-up per stack. Further, a lot of words cost only 1-2pp, not 10pp. You should expect a skill-up every 2-3 combines as high as I have tested it, which is to mid 140s.

To make caluclations very simple, assuming you buy all your words, they all cost 10pp (either 10pp for one words or 5pp each for two words), you do 3 combines per skill-up until skill at 182, it will only cost you around 5.5k. Now if each successful combine you get results in a spell you can probably sell for 50pp for example (this is just a low average), if you get even just one success each 5 attempts you have made back the full value of what you have paid out. Get a geerlok, and this should be even better.

Some of the spells you make are not necro only, for example Paralyzing Earth. If I play on one of the smallest servers and still find enough people to buy my spells, at an average price of much higher than 50pp (some sell for 20pp, some higher than 200pp), I believe you should be able to as well.

You might deem your time worth the cost of sinking points in. I did higher up. But the idea of skilling up using words is certainly not unreasonable in cost.

[Fizzleplink]

You all need to read posts in full, stop quoting stuff out of context, and read through the info there....

Never gonna happen :(