85 AAing...

[Brahman]

The AA grind at 85+ BLOWS. Has anyone found any zone thats decent still?

I dont' care which expansion the zone is from ! Just give some tips on where to find good xp / hour lol

[Lashden]

Hmm...I wouldn't say it blows, it seems comparable to aa at 80. That is after getting the newer rk2 spells though (notably scorching and SRP). At the moment I'm killing quite a few ogres in Tosk (db to white) but Old Bloodfields wasn't bad xp either, and it's mostly yellow at 85.

[Vinjin]

I did 81 and 82 in FM, 83 and 84 in Tosk. Once I hit 85, I have spent most of my time in Old Bloodfields with a few stops in Tosk (mostly for remaining faction work).

Korascian Warrens also has a great kite spot. Actually two of them. But both will soon change from great to decent in the near future. OBF is pretty good xp I find. The challenge is finding a good spot to kite. I know of a couple spots in there but neither is all that safe. Tend to get jumped in both.

At the end of the day, I think the best overall XP run might be in Tosk. It has nice open kite spots and plenty of mobs. Ogres still have lots of HPs but not as much as mobs in OBF so they go down a little quicker. Should improve even more with upgraded gear and eventually getting all of my new DoTs (still lack Scorching and Soul Reapers).

[Dereeoobs]

I heard wars and clerics soloin in Tosk doing bulls/worgs or something, not checked it out yet but the possibility of them being this easy may be ownable.

[Atvar]

I think my best burn has been ~8aa burn in tosk. That was still raid buffed and freaking 4 mana refreshes from a jester. No jester/kiss and I think I get around 6aa.

I think I like tosk better than other places because pulls are never more than 2, plenty of kite space, and decent mob density. Spell drops also seem pretty good here. FoS mobs are packed too heavily for quick single pulls, too many LoS issues from hills. Kora warrens has much less kite room, and would require a dungeon crawl to avoid running out of mobs it seems. I just never bothered to learn pathing well enough to try a burn in there. Bloodfields mobs hit too hard, summon, path all screwed up to do anything there but snipe named and work on faction.

[Siluuael]

I heard wars and clerics soloin in Tosk doing bulls/worgs or something, not checked it out yet but the possibility of them being this easy may be ownable.

Yeah, we can pet/tap tank the boars with ease, or just kite them and/or the sentinels. The boars have low hp - they are the 'melee friendly' mobs in Tosk. A couple of them are even named PHs (the garbage collector guy, etc.)

[Combine.Mastiphal]

14-15 AA Lesson burns are doable in SoD.

[Ultulus]

8 is my average right now. (10 with the 25% bonus)

Though this is down from 12-15 during SoF.

[solithan]

14-15 AA Lesson burns are doable in SoD.

Care to share more info? Solo/grouped? Mobs/Zone?

[Atvar]

Care to share more info? Solo/grouped? Mobs/Zone?

I'm guessing it deals with pulling to Dranik guards and 25% exp bonus.

Straight kiting I'm upto 9aa average (10-12 with 25% bonus).

[Kulvard]

i've personally never given a shit about grinding XP, but i'm kind of at a point now where i need to grind out some AA to continue to be an effective raid necro. i dinged 1000 AA around DoDh era, and am currently at 1200. i usually spend more time losing xp than gaining it cause i like to try stupid shit.

anyway i was wondering how some of you are banging out 9-10 AA lesson burns. i'm nearly 24k HP and 25k mana and most DoTs are rank 3. right now i can knock out about 7 AA in a lesson burn if i'm lucky. wondering where you others are farming XP or what you're doing that i'm not i guess.

[Drazzminius]

I'm guessing that a lot of it is the kill rate of the Mobs, which will obviously increase as your AA totals get higher and higher. I'm only level 75 with just over 700 AAs, but I can easily get 6-7 AAs during a Lesson Burn in Katta on the snakes (and they are only DB and a few whites at level 75). If I were to be hunting some higher level Mobs, I'm sure it would be even faster for me. I know that given the right AAs, it will increase greatly.

[Atmospherik]

14-15 AA Lesson burns are doable in SoD.

if your not gunna post any info you might as well have just said you like to pick your nose and eat it... :confused:

[Cathan]

I've just been doing Tosk and I average about 7 or 8 aa's depending on lag w/ this laptop. I think I got up to 11 during the 25% xp bonus in one lotd run.

Bloodfields sucks imo. Kyvs walk way too fast and get in the way of pulls, the ikaavs stand out in the middle casting way too long and get kyv aggro. Mobs have a boatload of hp's... I stopped soloing there and just 5 boxed w/ a merc to gain the faction, which took quite a few days still.

Kith, old commonlands, FoS, OGH are all too low for good xp imo. They're good for grinding out factions though if you need them. I gotta go back to FoS to get the faction with Tynoc for those spells/type 3 augs.

On a side note I haven't seen anywhere in Korafax that was soloable. I looked up the spells/type 3s for Korafax for necros and they sucks horribly. I did my void F quests and that's about all I be in there for.

[Siluuael]

I'm currently 83 (so none of the top SoD dots yet), wearing ~Cryst-SoD T3 group gear and can crank out 8AAs between me and my 80 shaman box during an LotD in the NE corner of FM.

He has no dot crit AAs at all, so I know he's slowing me down, but can cast malis and 3 dots per mob pretty much forever. I'm not sure how good the AAs would be there at 85, but it's pretty easy to keep 3-4 mobs in tow ad infinitum, especially with snare AA and whisperwind.

[Vanlor]

I'm currently 83 (so none of the top SoD dots yet), wearing ~Cryst-SoD T3 group gear and can crank out 8AAs between me and my 80 shaman box during an LotD in the NE corner of FM.

He has no dot crit AAs at all, so I know he's slowing me down, but can cast malis and 3 dots per mob pretty much forever. I'm not sure how good the AAs would be there at 85, but it's pretty easy to keep 3-4 mobs in tow ad infinitum, especially with snare AA and whisperwind.

By NE do you mean up elevators or near ZI?

[Mystiqat]

go up all 3 sets of elevators, run NE and down the elevator there...this is where the raid entrance to MMM is and its a pretty nice kite spot, plus mobs are a bit higher here than out front

[Vanlor]

go up all 3 sets of elevators, run NE and down the elevator there...this is where the raid entrance to MMM is and its a pretty nice kite spot, plus mobs are a bit higher here than out front

Thanks for the info, always thought people talked about kiting near the ent, wondered how they were getting decent exp lol.

[Poyoloko]

helluva great spot in CoD(city of dranik) head all the way west to the dragorn temple, you will see kinda of a circle platform with about 8 guards on it. You can snare pull mobs to them(cept kyvs cuz they summon) toss on 3-4 dots and let the guards do the rest of the dps. They usually tank them unless you have superb aggro, there are a few named around the camp as well, takes some time to get used to it and adjusted but i highly recommend pulling the named with either dispell or scent of gloom as they will summon below 99%, careful with the guards too cuz they will snag named right off you and when the guard(s) die your def. gonna get summoned and most likely killed

[TwoBuckChuck]

I've just been doing Tosk and I average about 7 or 8 aa's depending on lag w/ this laptop. I think I got up to 11 during the 25% xp bonus in one lotd run.
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All right, I play constantly in Tosk, I have a nice mana pool and all critical dots, nukes AA's, decent amount of Rank 3, and all Rank 2 spells. How in the world are you or anyone else getting 7-8 AA's with lesson running? What are you killing? I set up near the thieves, and pull everything that single pullable so I am not wasting time FD'ing things off during that half hour, I load up 7-8 dots, need to reapply 1-2 dead mob, move on. I keep this up with very little down time, blood magic, right click improved dot robe, spires, AA pets, swarm pets....and I get 3-4 at best with lesson on. <edit> with spires up I'll usually root 2, load up dots, hit spires, pull a third.

[Tryal Anderror]

I get 10 per burn just doing FoS, I do the long open area between Shadof's little building and the 4 pillars thingy.

There's plenty of mobs there, very predictable, I just don't single pull things, but largest pull with be 3 at once, Each one only needs 5 DoTs on it to die.

If you're only single pulling, you're not going to get 8+ anywhere pretty much, same if you're rooting them, just not fast enough

[Zark]

... How in the world are you or anyone else getting 7-8 AA's with lesson running? ...
All these posts about 'how many AA per lesson" are pretty much worthless as long as none of you posts the amount of AA you already sit on.

There are huge differences in AA gain per kill: When you have 750 AA you just get about half the amount of AA per kill than you get when you have 0 AA (i think some dev posted that somewhere). At around 300 AA you get _much_ more AA per kill than at 1k AA. Etc. .

[Filter]

Most people posting those numbers are probably over the 1k mark. I only have 400 and when I was at 320 the aa's would fly! I would get 13 aa's on a lesson burn with my shit gear (tbs group gear and maybe 4 spells post lvl 80). I only had one mob up at a time so if I had more I would of easily hit 20 at my aa count. I'm almost lvl 82 and I still just play 30 minutes a day to burn my lesson in FoS until I get lvl 85.


Zark is right I get A LOT more aa exp than you guys do per kill but my kill rate suffers dramatically.

[TwoBuckChuck]

I get 10 per burn just doing FoS, I do the long open area between Shadof's little building and the 4 pillars thingy.

There's plenty of mobs there, very predictable, I just don't single pull things, but largest pull with be 3 at once, Each one only needs 5 DoTs on it to die.

If you're only single pulling, you're not going to get 8+ anywhere pretty much, same if you're rooting them, just not fast enough


I keep pulls close to one another so I am not scrambling between stacking dots on a mob thats moving towards me, unless I can keep root on. I would bet the mobs in Tosk have more hps than FOS, I'll give your spot a shot...if 5 dots kills them...then thats 5 less dots per mob I need to cast.

[solithan]

You pull animals in FoS right? They are "weak" so 5 dots do the trick. If you can find a cluster of them when no one else is mass killing yeah they are good XP but once the zone gets packed finding kills becomes and issue. Is your 10AA per burn including any Quest XP? and is it a "roughly" 10 or you've activly clocked it at 10? I only ask because I don't hit 10 and I've farmed in that area before kiting mulitples. If so I'll just accept that you've got better mods then me. :)
My best here was almost 8. My worst here was 2 due to lack of mobs.

[Loophur]

Since i had also issues with a good burning spot in SoD, i tried my good old favourite from SoF.

Even at 85 with(over 2000AAs) you can get 7AAs there pretty easily, comming close to 8 doing gators in LP.

I know its probably not the best rate or spot or an option for everyone, but its a good and save spot(tho only works, if you dont have to share the beach).

But the key for a good lesson is, that youll find a spot where you can kite multiple mobs at once...doing one after the other wont give you a good lesson session.

[Atvar]

I keep pulls close to one another so I am not scrambling between stacking dots on a mob thats moving towards me, unless I can keep root on. I would bet the mobs in Tosk have more hps than FOS, I'll give your spot a shot...if 5 dots kills them...then thats 5 less dots per mob I need to cast.

There's your problem right there, root has no business being memmed for a lesson burn. Switch to kiting and use a pet. With EM6 and full pet aa mine does ~5% per mob. Your hp/mana is about the same as mine, and until this week I only had a 5% better poison focus than you. You are missing pyre of the forgotten and searing shadow type3 though which is another ~2% per mob. Have affliction efficency tribute running for mana pres. I also pop a jester, which nets me another aa if he gives me a mana refresh.

Standard spell lineup:
AA snare
scorching
searing
slitheren
(send pet)
venonscale
fellid's
forgotten
START NEXT MOB
1 more poison dot if needed to finish first one off.
re-snare if I get behind on dps

Doing that with good timing on spire + bp lets me clear the tunnel leading to Blurik up to Kora Warrens twice, which is 28 mobs + 0-2 roamers. On my worst runs(self buffed, no mana refreshes, unlucky GoM procs), I can barely get in the 2 cycles with a few tics of OOC regen for ~8aa. On better runs, I'm reclearing the start a 3rd time for ~10aa.

[scrat]

helluva great spot in CoD(city of dranik) head all the way west to the dragorn temple, you will see kinda of a circle platform with about 8 guards on it. You can snare pull mobs to them(cept kyvs cuz they summon) toss on 3-4 dots and let the guards do the rest of the dps. They usually tank them unless you have superb aggro, there are a few named around the camp as well, takes some time to get used to it and adjusted but i highly recommend pulling the named with either dispell or scent of gloom as they will summon below 99%, careful with the guards too cuz they will snag named right off you and when the guard(s) die your def. gonna get summoned and most likely killed

This is no surprise to finally see this here, even a few threads on eqlive forums asking to get the dragorn nerfed. I suggest anybody that wants group tier5 stuff to abuse this with a quickness - just don't piss off your fellow players trying to camp this stuff legit or it will get nerfed quicker and you might take a suspension if you get petitioned for griefing. Seen it happen.

You can get a cloak, ring and shield. If you are as lucky as I was, you can get 'em in slot-3 versions. You can also get wrist/hand, arm/legg, head/feet essences. And the new t5 augs. Yes, I took advantage of this and have gotten everything from this zone I can make use of before the nerf. I've also equiped so many people with rots that I'm a pretty popular guy now. I get random tells now even when in the bazaar if anything is rotting heh. However, the xp wasn't great for me - mostly because I kept my merc up for the random hits (getting mobs summoned on top of you) and I had folks tagging along quite a bit. XP-wise I do much better elsewhere.

I need to check out the spot in the warrens, sounds good. Just this morning I burned a lesson in tosk killing sents/warlords/blademasters/etc and barely eeked 8 aa out of it even using up kiss, staunch, jester & BMs and trying to 3-4 kite as much as possible. Not that I need the aa, I just like maxing whatever I do. I've went back to loping plains once, and zeka once...talk about burnout. I just can't handle doing that content any more. Ever. I'll stick with the new stuff even though I can't get as much out of it.

[TwoBuckChuck]

There's your problem right there, root has no business being memmed for a lesson burn. Switch to kiting and use a pet. With EM6 and full pet aa mine does ~5% per mob. Your hp/mana is about the same as mine, and until this week I only had a 5% better poison focus than you. You are missing pyre of the forgotten and searing shadow type3 though which is another ~2% per mob. Have affliction efficency tribute running for mana pres. I also pop a jester, which nets me another aa if he gives me a mana refresh.

Standard spell lineup:
AA snare
scorching
searing
slitheren
(send pet)
venonscale
fellid's
forgotten
START NEXT MOB
1 more poison dot if needed to finish first one off.
re-snare if I get behind on dps

Doing that with good timing on spire + bp lets me clear the tunnel leading to Blurik up to Kora Warrens twice, which is 28 mobs + 0-2 roamers. On my worst runs(self buffed, no mana refreshes, unlucky GoM procs), I can barely get in the 2 cycles with a few tics of OOC regen for ~8aa. On better runs, I'm reclearing the start a 3rd time for ~10aa.


Thats the info I was looking for. And the guy who said hes getting all the AA in FOS, I tried that run on our server and I had to run around way to much looking for mobs, to many hunters in that area. I'll run and pick up the Searing aug tonight.

[Tryal Anderror]

You pull animals in FoS right? They are "weak" so 5 dots do the trick. If you can find a cluster of them when no one else is mass killing yeah they are good XP but once the zone gets packed finding kills becomes and issue. Is your 10AA per burn including any Quest XP? and is it a "roughly" 10 or you've activly clocked it at 10? I only ask because I don't hit 10 and I've farmed in that area before kiting mulitples. If so I'll just accept that you've got better mods then me. :)
My best here was almost 8. My worst here was 2 due to lack of mobs.

No, you do the Iksars, the 'weak' mobs suck. I've never found anyone else camping the area I do, though you occasionally get people killing wanderers trying to spawn Slact.
The 'Weaks' guys can often be killed with like 2 DoTs,
FoS mobs are about 140-160khp, I'm not sure what the Tosk guys are, but I think 200+?

10AA does not include any Quest XP, yes I've clocked this fairly consistently. Your mileage may vary depending on Manapool and AA

There's always enough mobs around to me, I've never run out even if there's a group in the adjacent area. Respawn is like 20 minutes, so you need about 30 mobs in the area, and there's plenty for that. camps of 5, 6, 5, 4 & 4 non-wandering, plus many wanderers since the messengers in particular just keep coming, and if you run out there's the undead little building with has like 10 more, so there's easily enough to support even faster.

[Tryal Anderror]

All these posts about 'how many AA per lesson" are pretty much worthless as long as none of you posts the amount of AA you already sit on.

There are huge differences in AA gain per kill: When you have 750 AA you just get about half the amount of AA per kill than you get when you have 0 AA (i think some dev posted that somewhere). At around 300 AA you get _much_ more AA per kill than at 1k AA. Etc. .

We're probably going on the assumption that people have atleast 1000, if you'e still in bonus area of 0 to 1000, gross it up by bonus amount. I believe it scales from 2.5x Bonus to 1x as you approach 1000

[Vanlor]

This is no surprise to finally see this here, even a few threads on eqlive forums asking to get the dragorn nerfed. I suggest anybody that wants group tier5 stuff to abuse this with a quickness - just don't piss off your fellow players trying to camp this stuff legit or it will get nerfed quicker and you might take a suspension if you get petitioned for griefing. Seen it happen.

You can get a cloak, ring and shield. If you are as lucky as I was, you can get 'em in slot-3 versions. You can also get wrist/hand, arm/legg, head/feet essences. And the new t5 augs. Yes, I took advantage of this and have gotten everything from this zone I can make use of before the nerf. I've also equiped so many people with rots that I'm a pretty popular guy now. I get random tells now even when in the bazaar if anything is rotting heh. However, the xp wasn't great for me - mostly because I kept my merc up for the random hits (getting mobs summoned on top of you) and I had folks tagging along quite a bit. XP-wise I do much better elsewhere.

I need to check out the spot in the warrens, sounds good. Just this morning I burned a lesson in tosk killing sents/warlords/blademasters/etc and barely eeked 8 aa out of it even using up kiss, staunch, jester & BMs and trying to 3-4 kite as much as possible. Not that I need the aa, I just like maxing whatever I do. I've went back to loping plains once, and zeka once...talk about burnout. I just can't handle doing that content any more. Ever. I'll stick with the new stuff even though I can't get as much out of it.

I may have to return here. I used this to get my shield and head/feet arms/legs essences but I never tried to pull Shzalk since he is a kyv and I hate them. I pulled xan, xon, cythkes, and even maxantora a few times though.

How are you getting Shzalk up without a train load of adds? I mean do you clear first or just train up, snare, fd? Also, I know he is in the N circle, but I don't know which kyv in the room he is.

[scrat]

P -2474.9019, -1197.5029, 40.5434, 240, 0, 0, 2, Shzalk_(kyv + wrist/hand)
P -3012.3196, -865.9727, 15.2151, 240, 0, 0, 3, Ulkat_(noc)
P -2219.4597, -977.4503, 41.2086, 240, 0, 0, 2, Cythkas_(ikaav head/foot)
P -2047.5511, -680.6182, 66.4603, 240, 0, 0, 2, Xangef_(ukun + head/foot)
P -825.3038, -162.0818, -6.7188, 240, 0, 0, 2, Txenn_(kyv + wrist/hand)
P -1121.4429, -713.7816, 118.7212, 240, 0, 0, 3, Xoneua_(ikaav arm/leg)

Here's my markers, the plus's mean necro loot.

On Shzalk, I just puckered up and pulled from max range with debuff. Banked on the kyv in the hall & 2nd room would beat him (and they did) so they got paused by the 2 dragorn in the hall that I left alive. I was waiting for Shzalk on the top of the stairs leading to my platform of doom, snared when he rounded the corner and flopped. It works amazingly well, though the first time I did that I couldn't shit right for a few days afterwards.

[CharraX]

Here's my markers, the plus's mean necro loot.

Was going to plonk them into my map, which file do those go in?

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[scrat]

Olddranic_1.txt

[Poyoloko]

Originally Posted by scrat
This is no surprise to finally see this here, even a few threads on eqlive forums asking to get the dragorn nerfed. I suggest anybody that wants group tier5 stuff to abuse this with a quickness - just don't piss off your fellow players trying to camp this stuff legit or it will get nerfed quicker and you might take a suspension if you get petitioned for griefing. Seen it happen.


From what i've heard, they know about it and that is why a few patches ago they made the Dragorns "weaker."

And this was just patched in on test:
* Fixed an issue where players were getting kill credit even though they did not out-damage NPCs that were attacking the mob.

[scrat]

There ya go - limited time to do this until it becomes...harder. On a positive note, this patch should make this method legit by all standards.

The way it's working now, you get kill credit if you do more damage than any "one" dragorn. Like a mob of 15 un-grouped non-raid players attacking the same mob...whoever does more total dmg gets credit.

I imagine this change will force you (your group) to do more damage than the "sum" of all Dragorn NPCs.

Don't fret - grab another ranged dps'er or two.

[Vanlor]

Thanks for the info scrat. Got my non-slot 3 back last night and a couple more essences for guildies. I did it with a druid friend who has a t5 tank merc, makes everything the world easier if all the dragorn go down that are on a named. On that note, when doing this solo, how many guards to you get on txenn/shzalk to tank him but not so many that you don't lose the dps battle?

They seem to chew through 3 guards pretty fast, do you just do that and have pet tank to the end?

My first couple pulls I thought this was going to be damned hard, but it turned out to not be so bad. Cake walk if you have a friend with you. We kept down all but maxantora and the named noc. Could have prob done maxi too if we really wanted.

Had that damned merc kill credit/mob poof bug on a txenn pull that went kinda nasty. Major PITA :mad:

[Poyoloko]

Thanks for the info scrat. Got my non-slot 3 back last night and a couple more essences for guildies. I did it with a druid friend who has a t5 tank merc, makes everything the world easier if all the dragorn go down that are on a named. On that note, when doing this solo, how many guards to you get on txenn/shzalk to tank him but not so many that you don't lose the dps battle?

They seem to chew through 3 guards pretty fast, do you just do that and have pet tank to the end?

My first couple pulls I thought this was going to be damned hard, but it turned out to not be so bad. Cake walk if you have a friend with you. We kept down all but maxantora and the named noc. Could have prob done maxi too if we really wanted.

Had that damned merc kill credit/mob poof bug on a txenn pull that went kinda nasty. Major PITA :mad:


Yea the named eat thro the dragorn pretty well. You have to be ultra careful that you have enough guards up to tank or else you will find yourself getting summoned and owned, lol i know from LOTS of experience :)

As for how many guards, id say 4-5 and just burn thro the named as fast as you can. They shouldnt out dps you as the named have quite a few hps, maybe use third spire / coa robe if you feel like they are going to KS.

[Killegore]

Hey guys. I am new to the site. Was reading a few of the posts you all have put in. And i am curious as to how you are landing 8-10+ aa's in an LotD run. I am lucky to make 4.
If anyone could let me know what i am doing wrong it would be most appreciated. Here is my magelo.

http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1431115

my normal spell lineup from top to bottom is
Corpseskin rk2
Exigency for Blood rk2
Soul Reaper's Pyre
Searing Shadow rk3
Ignite Energy
Mortal Coil rk2
Scorching Shadow rk2
Fellid's Pallid Haze rk2
Clawing Darkness rk2
Drain Essence rk2

So yeah, any insight would be helpful.

[Knutplate]

Id dump mortal coil, ignite energy, corpseskin, and exigency. The first two kill the mana efficiency when they resist. The second two dont really do anything for you. I guess you could keep exigency, but I keep a root up for when I get backed into a corner and whisperwind is down.

Get Reavers Pyre, Slitheren Venom in there with the slot 3 mods.

Personally, I keep the SoF mindwrack loaded for when I have a dangling GoM proc. Even casting it raw will yield you back some mana returns if you have beneficial extension AAs. At 26k mana, that will help you get some extra mileage.

Get a good pattern of pulls in CoD. Generally I can cast SRP, RP, Slithern, and Fellids and hit the 50% mark with a pet. Thats with raid foci though. You might have to add in Scorching and Searing to hit that 50% mark.

Then its just a matter of mana keeping up with the mobs.

Keep dragging them into the sausage grinder that is the guards.

Anticipate hitting the 50% mark at the guards and then go pull another.

I usually start in the Xangef room and clear it out. Then next I go to Cykthes room and pull 7 mobs there (skipping the kyv.) After that I pull the Xouxoa 3 outside and finally the 3 down the path on the left. After that I will either afk a min or two and wait for repops in xangefs room, or I would try to squeeze in a kyv or two. (there are two mobs just across the Xouxoa camp tucked in around the wall. One is a kyv.)

There really isnt a secret about it. It's just how long you can sustain before needing a med break. And practice.

12 AAs is about the max Ive ever gotten on a lesson at that camp. 4 seems very low.

Good luck!

[Killegore]

I always kept rune up for the extra hit u can take, plus the bit of mana regen it adds.
Yeah, i will try and get those, i hate faction work though. Takes too long.
I did the Xangef camp when i was camping my essences from him for t5. But yeah, max i have made so far is 4 aa's. I will drop some spells, get some dif ones and see what happens. Thanks for the help.
Raid gear would be nice, but i won't see it for a long while. Guild usually does the SoD raids when i am unable to join.

[Aiyee]

Slitherin helps alot, but yeah I rarely use the magic dots because of resists. Sure they rock when they land but too iffy. Also i would drop snare and use the aa, free up a gem for more dps. In SoD alot of nice exp is from tasks, sure task exp to AA doesnt double with lessons but still, if you are going to be killing in an area check out on Alla or Rasper's if are any tasks for killing the same mobs you will be killing anyway to double up on the exp. I can often times get more exp faster doing simpler tasks than you get from killing actual mobs. You need to stay in Kuaa theme till get the faction for slitherin but I find exp faster in FoS and OGH than Kuaa.

[xikariz]

I typically will wind up going and slaughtering a Beza instance, though I don't have any faction to work on and it gets kinda boring after awhile since it's so old now. I hate running out to zones that I'm unexperienced with (such as CoD) to do a camp check, find a bunch of anonymous toons in the zone warping around killing named, and not even knowing what camps are worthwhile to begin with. Although the XP is starting to not be worth the effort I'm putting forth (but God, killing gnomes is awesome) I'm getting about 8AA's max no matter what I do.

[solithan]

4-5 AAs either means your just putzing around killing stuff on your own and/or your gear or spells need some work and you probably need to find a better location. 5-8 means your gear and spells are where they should be and you know what your doing but your doing it alone, you're probably in the right spot or close enough. 9+ means you're using additional help in the form of npcs or out of group dps and are really on top of things.

killegore-> fix your spell line up as suggested and you'll see an increase in AAs. I understand about the gear work, thats how it goes. You might consider changing locations and picking up some outside dps.


As for myself, I sit in the 5-6 range but thats because I hate dealing with other people and I've choosen a spot that is very subpar with not enough mobs and no outside dps. I've done the CoD and not hit 12 but got something like 10 on the burn.

Also, something to consider is actually paying attention and making your own notes. Alot of talk about this sort of thing is antecdotal and people just eyeball or try and remember about how much they got, when really they got an aa on their first kill because it was nearly done and counted the one they were working on even though it wasn't finished at the end of the lesson.

[scrat]

Hey guys. I am new to the site. Was reading a few of the posts you all have put in. And i am curious as to how you are landing 8-10+ aa's in an LotD run. I am lucky to make 4.
If anyone could let me know what i am doing wrong it would be most appreciated. Here is my magelo.

http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1431115

my normal spell lineup from top to bottom is
Corpseskin rk2
Exigency for Blood rk2
Soul Reaper's Pyre
Searing Shadow rk3
Ignite Energy
Mortal Coil rk2
Scorching Shadow rk2
Fellid's Pallid Haze rk2
Clawing Darkness rk2
Drain Essence rk2

So yeah, any insight would be helpful.

Question - are you specifically asking how to make the most AA per lesson burn in CoD dragging the mobs to the guards? Or are you asking how to maximize your AA in a burn on a more general note?

I can see some improvements options both ways, but I'd rather offer suggestions you are directly seeking.

[Killegore]

I have been hanging out in OBF working my faction to warmly for spells there. I am up to amiably, doing the quests to help, got like 6 or so going.
I have done the CoD trick at xangef with help from the dragorns. But sometime they do end up dieing because i go to split and they summon mob to them when i don't want and before i can lose aggro from the other mobs so they don't have my spells helping and they die.
I do have my aa snare. I use it for splitting so i can FD and let aggro drop within 20 seconds, stand and pull.

Yes. I do need to fix my spells. Usually i do tosk over at the Basta area by the door. I can usually do 3-4 at a time there. If i do it right. When i have more than 3 i use 3rd spire and dot em all. Resnare and all.

I will definately start making my own notes. Find out what works best for mana efficiency, and how fast they die and all that. But CoD seems to be camped a lot. I can sometime find the zone empty and do the Xang and Cythkes camp. Only mobs that give me trouble are kyvs. They are way too powerful. 1 can take out 3 dragorns. Which is crazy.

But i definately appreciate the help. I will see what all i can do. I am working on gettin the spell from OBF and a few others.

[Killegore]

to answer your question scrat, I am looking to maximize my AA intake per burn in general. CoD seems to be camped a lot, at least on my server, so makes it hard to choose that, spend the time running out there only to have it camped. When sometimes all i have time for is a 45 min session before i need to log for w/e reason.
Would also like any suggestion to maximizing the dragorns in CoD though. I am open to all input.

[Atvar]

No anguish bp hurts you, you're missing a lot of dps aa's along with other stuff like secondary forte and bloodmagic for mana help. Tribute spell haste and efficiency will help. Redo your spell set and focus more on efficiency so you don't spend half your time medding. IMO any more than 3 mobs max results in more time wasted getting the pull undercontrol than it's worth. There's a few spots in tosk where everything is a 1-2 pull.

My tosk kite order is AA snare, scorching shadow, searing shadow, pyre of forgotten, slitheren venom, venonscale venom, fellid's pallid haze, pet. With max aa and focus that kills the mob before snare wears off for me. In the past I needed to refresh slitheren and/or venonscale a lot more.

[Killegore]

I have Blood Magic. And i wouldn't know what to use the secondary forte on.
Right now i'm just putting aa's where i think i need em. Slowly working on it. But goes slowly sometimes.

[Aiyee]

A necro's two key areas for spec are evoc and conj, all I know went evoc for primary and conj for secondary. Also, if you have any raid gear for a slot 8 aug slot or your epic 1.5 or higher I would suggest getting some friends and doing the alteration and conjuration ldon raids for those augs. They are VERY noticable at helping with lowering mana usage.

[Killegore]

k, i will look into those. I think i could manage getting a group or 2 together.

[takhizis]

Err, Evocation is not our main line of dots. Not even our secondary.

Alteration constitutes the majority of our spell line up. Conjuration, second. Now, if you on a personal level choose to use our 1 or 2 nukes religiously enough to devote your secondary forte bonus to it, by all means, do it. But if you are going for pure dot mana conservation, Alteration should be your primary specialization, and Conjuration your secondary.

[Lashden]

A necro's two key areas for spec are evoc and conj, all I know went evoc for primary and conj for secondary. Also, if you have any raid gear for a slot 8 aug slot or your epic 1.5 or higher I would suggest getting some friends and doing the alteration and conjuration ldon raids for those augs. They are VERY noticable at helping with lowering mana usage.

Wait...what? Why do you say evocation for primary? Only undead nukes and our blood nukes use that. I would think alteration and conjuration would be the ones to get, alteration for primary since our most costly and highest damage dots are that and conjuration as it's second in that list.

Killegore, you can 'use' secondary forte by buying the aa and getting skillups in the particular spec skill that you want, just like you did for your primary. Doing that would help you with mana savings for the spells that use that skill if you use it.

[Vanlor]

A necro's two key areas for spec are evoc and conj, all I know went evoc for primary and conj for secondary. Also, if you have any raid gear for a slot 8 aug slot or your epic 1.5 or higher I would suggest getting some friends and doing the alteration and conjuration ldon raids for those augs. They are VERY noticeable at helping with lowering mana usage.

Aiyee misspoke there and meant to say Alteration and Conjuration as he/she did later about the augs.

Atvar has it pretty nailed down. What you want to find is one of 2 things. If you are killing mobs of around your level, you will probably have to dot quite a lot due to your gear/aas/spell ranks, so you should never be kiting more than 2 mobs (after 2 things just get messy and extra mana gets used via overkill or LT back hps). The other option, that quite a few necros have decided to go with that I know starting in SoF, is to find a camp with a high concentration of LB mobs you can kill. The obvious spot is the beach in Loping Plains. When I burn a lotd there I can consistently net 7-9 aas (and I am not getting any aa bonus either and am sitting in group gear). How? When you are camping LB mobs it's all about killing as many as you can in the shortest amount of time. To do that, you find 3-5 of your more efficient (high dmg over time, low mana cost) dots and dot the first mob up, then grab the second immediately--swarm kite them basically. It's not uncommon for me to have 3-5 gators at a time in tow on the beach.

A lot of people have moved to killing the LBs since mobs of their level or higher have so many hps. Once you have better foci/aas/spells, mobs of your level are much less of a problem and you might move camps and increase your aa burn.

In the meantime, read more here around Necrotalk. There are highly detailed threads on AAs, getting items that will increase your efficiency and dps (the augs Aiyee talked about and the CoA robe Atvar mentioned) and a plethora of threads discussing spell lineups from solo, grouping, and raiding areas. In general, when soloing I run 8 dots, root, and LT. Snare is all but permanetly out of my 10 lineup b/c the new aa is excellent. DDs are inefficient and usually shouldn't be used in kiting/solo play. DDs fit better into grouping or maybe a fast burn for a Chaotic Pwr proc.

Anyway, read around, it will take a while to sort through everything but I can guarantee you, just about every topic is covered here. First 2 orders of business AA wise: Get Secondary Forte and for the love of pete... finish out your dot aas. Both of those should have happened before around 400 of your other aas. I do not know what you are specd in, most necros go Alteration since it is our biggest dots along with a few other things, the only other viable option is conjuration since it is basically the rest of our dots. I, personally, would suggest re-specing to Alt main Conj secondary if you are different. There are discussions on that topic around here as well.

edit: looks like I typed slow and got beaten to the evocation picket line lol. I think Aiyee just brain farted guys, but yeah, we need to make sure Killegore doesn't get the wrong ideas!

[Killegore]

I have 1 train left into Greater Blood Tithe. Looks like that is the last one i am missing for main dot aa's. Unless of course u all know more i need than what i have. I just upgraded my face piece to group kora drop lvl 85 required. So that upped hp, mana, and added a mana and clairvoyance aug to it.

I am already working on the CoA BP. I got a group or 2 set up to zerg it this Friday. I also plan on getting the BiC aug for my 2.0. I don't need procs, or dmg augs in it obviously.
Another couple items i am going for are clickies from Vex'thal, and the elemental leggings for that click.

My Alteration is already set as my main. I will get secondary forte and get conjuration up. Going to be kind of hard though. It isn't up to par yet with my other spells. Seeing as it isn't used much.

I will try the gators again. I did them ages ago, but didn't seem worth it for the time it took me to kill them. But that is when i was lvl 65-75. So a lot has changed since then.

Thank you all for the help and the advice. I will keep perusing the forums and seeing what i can find. It will definitely take me a bit of time to shift through them all and find what is useful and what isn't. But is worth it.

[Atvar]

If I remember, the only real clicky from VT is splurt, which is terrible. So are the elemental legs with pyrocuror. Tacvi dagger is horror, somewhat useful though I don't bother anymore. There are supposedly some decent clickies from classic mission rewards that you could check out. The best clickie(aside from anguish bp) IMO is the theater of blood bp that casts fang of death - 0.8 cast lifetap dot. It's a pain to camp but well worth it.

Combat agility 8 and combat stability 8 should also be high on your list of aa's. Ideally max them, but level 8 is about benefit vs. cost really starts to drop off. Tosk without defensives must be brutal for you, and another reason I'd try out those lp gators for a while.

[Vanlor]

My Alteration is already set as my main. I will get secondary forte and get conjuration up. Going to be kind of hard though. It isn't up to par yet with my other spells. Seeing as it isn't used much.

It shouldn't take that long, especially once you get Slitheren Venom. Both Slitheren and Fellid's Pallid Haze are Conjuration and belong in your lineup for most situations. The magic dots (Mortal Coil and Ignite Energy) are also both Conjuration. While I agree that they are generally not worth using while soloing, if you are grouped with anyone that is tashing or maloing they should both be in your lineup as they are two of our higher dps dots. I also believe in using them while raiding, unless you are doing resist heavy content or have terrible debuffers, magic should be landing just fine. If you get the tash clicker you might consider still using the magic dots while soloing depending on the circumstances.

The best clickie(aside from anguish bp) IMO is the theater of blood bp that casts fang of death - 0.8 cast lifetap dot. It's a pain to camp but well worth it.

Atvar, how hard is it to get the raid version of this robe? I have the group version (very easy to get) but have not spent any time in ToB. Is this one-groupable nowdays?

[takhizis]

It is, just terribly long fights. If your group doesn't mind dying and getting dragged to the lady that drops our robe, you can skip a lot of pointless killing which makes this even more of a bother.

[Loophur]

@Killgore: LP Gators is still an option, if youre just after AAs. Tho i have no idea how much this place is camped right now or on your server.

You can make there 8AAs per Lesson...(at 85) pretty easily and constant.

[Killegore]

I will check out LP gators. But i think imma keep kiting in OBF for now. Get my faction up so i can get spells from there i need. Stinkin faction work. I am up to 1030 aa's now. Getting there.

I always have Fellid's Pallid Haze up. Used to have Exigency up a lot, but noticed i don't really use it now with a well placed 3rd spire. Unless i want to try for that little bit of extra damage. And even then, i only use it during named burns when in a group. But i have to use it at the beginning, otherwise half of the fight will be spent trying to get it to proc the effect for the dots.

I think i could get a group to go into ToB with me and do the BP drop there. I am only going for the stuff in VT, and Tacvi kind of as just toys. Mess around stuff, and its free dots that use no mana. Anyone know the name of the mob, or the robe that has the right click on it from ToB?

Ok, so say i have all my faction, and all the spells you guys recommend. What would the lineup look like for best results. In your opinion?

[Atvar]

Atvar, how hard is it to get the raid version of this robe? I have the group version (very easy to get) but have not spent any time in ToB. Is this one-groupable nowdays?

It's a pain to get the named to spawn and robe drops about 50% of the time, and I think ~1 day before you can respawn her. Soloing any one mob in ToB with a merc isn't bad. The mobs have insane regen though so you have to burn them down. Mistress of Malady spawns on the East coast of the island where all the other necro type mobs are. If she's not up, you need to kill the Deathcaster type models that have a chance of popping her. Sometimes it takes just a few, sometime it takes killing ones all over the island.

[scrat]

Looks like I really don't have much to add! Excellent info in all the replies.

Do be aware that you are somewhat at your peak AA, meaning you will need another 1000aa to get another 10% boost to your dps, etc. But depending on your play style, you can still get some decent gains such as with maxed out AoTD.

Some generalized pointers-
Do try to use bloodmagic as quick into your lesson burn as possible so you can use it again before lesson fades. While bloodmagic is up, if you can afford the spell gem, use vivisection taps. Use Steadfast Servant (it has a hard time keeping up with a run5 kiter) + celestial healing potions + lifeshards together instead of taps to keep the taps from incrementing the BM proc cycles. Try to use BM on at least a double pull, or a tripple if you can handle 'em.

Do use 3rd spire and OOW robe clicks and whatever else you have as often as you can, preferably when you are kiting multiples. It is amazing what just the two shadows can do on 4 mobs while 3rd and robe clicks are running. If you don't use spire & such while lesson burning, you are wasting efficiency.

Do not be afraid to sit and grab OOC during your lesson. Burn your mana fast but efficient, but burn it you must and all the way down. Medding to FM using OOC only takes 3.5 minutes from kill to stand; and that's a ton of mana recovery. It far, far outperforms trying to go pure efficiency and have lich/clickies be your sole source for mana regen. This is a good time to unsuspend your merc and force buff refreshes such as spell haste.

Do use whisperwind AA often while kiting if the terrain allows it. That +200' leap is awesome for snare resists, adds or just giving you time to click something lengthy like AoTD or Lifeburn. You probably already do, just saying it.

Use Lifeburn. Use Swarm of Decay. Use Rise of Bones. Use Army of the Dead. Use epic click. Use Kiss of Erolisi Marr. Use Steadfast Servant. Use rogue pet that has been given a full compliment of the best mage summoned gear and hasted with your best haste. Use other clickies. Use celestial healing potions and lifeshards instead of taps when you take damage if you can.

Get all the best type-3 augs to compliment your spell damage as you can. Keep current best detrimental extension focus you can use. IMO sacrifice HP/M and mods in favor of focus.
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We've got so many activatable stuff that we tend to reserve for emergancies or named, and kinda let them go unused when normal grinding. One of the things I detest about the principle of activatable temporary stuff like 3rd spire is your tendancy to reserve it's use...I can go hours and hours without using it for fear of it not being available when I "really" need it.

[Killegore]

Thanks for all the help guys. Think im going to check out ToB, see if i can't find the named up for drop. Maybe i can solo its death. Will see what happens.

[Zeli]

The best clickie(aside from anguish bp) IMO is the theater of blood bp that casts fang of death - 0.8 cast lifetap dot. It's a pain to camp but well worth it.

The camp for the lower level version from Arcstone was quite easy:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=39836

I may have gotten lucky, but I think I wiped the area 2-3 times including a coupled of nameds...and I was done.

[solithan]

The camp for the lower level version from Arcstone was quite easy:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=39836

I may have gotten lucky, but I think I wiped the area 2-3 times including a coupled of nameds...and I was done.

Interesting. So basically,
Go to:
Arcstone, Isle of Spirits
Find/spawn
Firelash (named firetails can pop in place of any normal firetail)
Shekar

Loot -
Spirit Mark Armor
- get a Spirit Mark of Battle(purchased)
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3375
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3375

Ta-Da
Robe of the Whispering Soul
Effect: Fang of Death (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 0.8)

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3375

[Zeli]

Step 1: What you said.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!!!

[Killegore]

Looks like i will be farming this drop later today in Arcstone, maybe i will get lucky and have it drop in less than 2 hours. =)

[scrat]

Interesting. So basically,
Go to:
Arcstone, Isle of Spirits
Find/spawn
Firelash (named firetails can pop in place of any normal firetail)
Shekar

Loot -
Spirit Mark Armor
- get a Spirit Mark of Battle(purchased)
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3375
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3375

Ta-Da
Robe of the Whispering Soul
Effect: Fang of Death (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 0.8)

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3375


Yup that's it. I finally got around to picking up mine last week; took around 4 hours. Zone-in from freeport library portal, the camp is to your right up the bridge. You can see it from zone-in, which is also where the armor quest NPC is.

Tip #1 - shekar & other named can spawn from any firetail. This means you can get multiple of her in a single spawn, just not at the same time. So kill 1 at a time instead of pulling the whole camp and AE'ing. A few times I had her pop 4x in a single spawn cycle, a couple times she didn't pop at all.

Tip #2 - the mark of battle is a pretty rare drop. I think I got it on my 22nd kill of shekar. Firelash I never saw at all. As I was looting the mark Shekar popped again, and dropped the mark again - which I offered in general and made somebody happy. The click for other classes is dang handy also.

Tip #3 - use your warrior pet and bring a healer merc. Near fire immunity as they are firelings so get your poisons memmed.

[Zeli]

Tip #2 - the mark of battle is a pretty rare drop. I think I got it on my 22nd kill of shekar.

Holy...I must have gotten lucky. I think I put less than an hour into this, including the trip to Arcstone.

[Killegore]

3 days, 28 hours total camping, 37 total Shekar kills. I got my robe.
Didn't see the other named who can drop it at all. Killed Embra, and Oroshar a bunch as well.

[Zeli]

Holy...I must have gotten lucky. I think I put less than an hour into this, including the trip to Arcstone.

x2!!! Wow, I had no idea this was such a pain.

[Knutplate]

I had a terrible time camping the arcstone robe too.

It was quicker for me to just solo the ToB version onces mercs arrived.

[Killegore]

I plan on getting the ToB one later. I got a guildie who can 6box it no prob. Said he'd help me out. So i can use both as needed =)

I am working on getting a lot of useful clickies. Am actually doing an anguish run here in 2 hours to get my robe from there. =)

Later i will be working OBF faction some more for the spells i am missing and need from there.

[Vanlor]

I plan on getting the ToB one later. I got a guildie who can 6box it no prob. Said he'd help me out. So i can use both as needed =)

I am working on getting a lot of useful clickies. Am actually doing an anguish run here in 2 hours to get my robe from there. =)

Later i will be working OBF faction some more for the spells i am missing and need from there.

Insert shameless plug for NT membership:

I have a great OMM writeup in the members section. You can, of course, get a robe from AMV but it is much rarer and OMM can drop more than one. Those robes are still good for quite a few classes besides us shockingly.

I got the group PoR robe too, it took prob 3-4 trips out there of slaughtering everything 4-5 times per? I have no idea, it was shamelessly easy with a merc though.

[Killegore]

Just got my Jayruk's Vest 20 mins ago from....AMV!! =) woot. We just died on OMM, going to try again. Hehe. Now all i need to do is keep working faction by mass killing Dranik's Scar.

PoR?? Prophecy of Ro? from Arcstone. yeah. That one was annoying, but easy.

[Killegore]

Where would u all suggest to raise faction the fastest?

[Killegore]

ok. So far. 4 hours in Dranik's Scar has taken me from max KoS, to Amiably, close to kindly or warmly, whichever is next in line. Am almost there. Should be there in a couple more hours. Then i need to farm dumb fruit from MPG.

[Killegore]

7 hours and thousands of mobs killed in Dranik's Scar i am now Ally. All i need is the fruit. Oh yay. LOL Going to be camping that tomorrow in MPG i guess. Maybe get a few friends to hit up anguish for me and see if they can't get some to drop. Oh yay

=)

[takhizis]

You are a lucky bastard Killegore. Congrats!

[Killegore]

Thanks man. Was a long grind. But i was determined. Our lvl 83 Aura spell made it extremely easy though. Mass pulled nearly half of DS, found a nice corner, slapped on right click from Robe of Whispering Soul, then used the Aura, send in pet and wait as they all died. Pull other half same way, then wait for first half to respawn.

A plus was having the one dude on outside of the wall near NC zoneline u can con to see what faction was, so in middle of respawns i would con him. Every 1-2 zone clears i got a lvl up on the faction. Although Warmly-Ally did take like 4 or 5 clears, as well as Dubious-Indif. Found those to be the longer ones.

Anyone know a good spot in MPG to farm the fruit? Or just mass kill everything?
I may try anguish, but don't want to bug people in game too much. Will see what happens.

[Killegore]

WOOT. I now have my anguish BP. I have also updated my magelo. It is in a bag. =) Yay. Am so happy. hehe

[wunre]

I currently play on saryrn, i was introduced to a spot in city of dranik by xoneua in the guard tower. All in all there is about 15 mobs to kill including 2 named.

1) 3 mobs typically a noc, or one of the casters. they are where xon is. split them get each to about 50-55%, and bring to guard tower. let the guards to the rest. when xon is up in order to kill her you need max dps. get some mobs to kill of 4 of the guards... 3-4 mobs will about do the job. snare xon bring to tower, and let it go. if you dont get the exp obviously not enough dmg.

2) Xangef den. right before the 4 way just split the mobs.... order is mob on right side, 2 middle mob, 3 left mob, 4 far top right, than there is two mobs on far side. easy exp 10-15 aa without lesson is what i have gotten to far.... if you come across any kyvs just snare and run the to guards.


there is a dragorn thug that comes up, he will attack, but unless you screwed your faction you shouldnt be kaos to the guardians... any questions let me know

[Zeli]

That is a good spot that I never remember just for exp. I think I burnt myself out there camping T5 essences.

[Rorion]

I read about 7 pages here, didn't see anyone post about LP.

On average, I can easily get 8-10 aa's killing worgs with a lesson burn. I am not raid geared at all, have about 700 aa's.

Spells I use:

Scorching Shadow
Searing Shadow
Pyre of the Forgotten (Send Pet)
Soul Reapers Pyre

The spells by themselves can kill each mob, if you have the crit aa's maxed. And now with Death Bloom, as long as you are reacting quickly, you'll never stop costing DoT's or run out of mana. Just cast Encroaching Darkness, then that lineup I posted, send pet with /pet qattack, that way the pet can "queue" the next mob you have DoT'd up w/o hesitation. And as a bonus, if you grab the quest which is like 10 feet from the mobs, you will get an extra half AA when your done.

There is very little risk in this grind, albeit it's monotonous as hell, I have only died when practicing balancing in Death Bloom, I don't have 24k+hp to absorb the whole spell...so, it kills me.

You can easily have 2-3 in tow and clear the entire camp before respawns happen, at which point i travel west a bit, and grab some more.

Hope this helps. FYI 5 kills per AA at this camp with LoTD.

[Vanlor]

You'll get more doing gators there probably. I do 9-11 and I don't have low aa bonus.

[Lowestcommon]

Aye, I get the same AA as Vanlor when doing crocs in LP. If I am taking it easy and just kill the crocs, bears, frogs on the beach then I get about 8 AA. If I runt up in to the hills after clearing the beach and kill whatever I come across, then run back to the beach for re-spawn, I get 10-11 AA.

Another necro I raid with told me he got 14 AA clearing out the fisrt floor in Tosk, but I haven't tried it yet.

[Loperz]

i am averaging about 17-20 in tosk raid geared. Not sure how much higher i can push it my main problem is mobs now, can get screwed by mob respawns

[TwoBuckChuck]

Considering I exp hunt in the same spot, with like AA and Gear...on a lesson burn solo...17-20 is a huge stretch of the truth. You would need close to 80 mobs in 30 minutes, at 25 percent per kill. You would have to fight for 1800 seconds (mob hps at 200k, roughly) at a constant 8888 DPS...I am thinking BS. Best I have done is about 12 AA...putting me at a DPS rate of 5333DPS, more reasonable for sustained 30 minute dps calcs.

[Zeli]

I read about 7 pages here, didn't see anyone post about LP.

Nice post, good info. LP was mentioned actually (I think page 6?):

@Killgore: LP Gators is still an option, if youre just after AAs. Tho i have no idea how much this place is camped right now or on your server.

You can make there 8AAs per Lesson...(at 85) pretty easily and constant.

[Atvar]

Considering I exp hunt in the same spot, with like AA and Gear...on a lesson burn solo...17-20 is a huge stretch of the truth. You would need close to 80 mobs in 30 minutes, at 25 percent per kill. You would have to fight for 1800 seconds (mob hps at 200k, roughly) at a constant 8888 DPS...I am thinking BS. Best I have done is about 12 AA...putting me at a DPS rate of 5333DPS, more reasonable for sustained 30 minute dps calcs.

12 aa was doable back in SoD. I haven't personally done ~20aa, but 15 isn't really that hard in raid gear.

[Feellia Flo]

I lod burn in Tosk as well. Get about 7aa in my spot at a casual pace...also a nice bonus of TS + purity aug drops, when they do drop =)

[TwoBuckChuck]

12 aa was doable back in SoD. I haven't personally done ~20aa, but 15 isn't really that hard in raid gear.

Yea your right, I lack raid gear and DPS AA's :p.....problem is 20 AA, maybe he ment on the weekend it was 50 percent more exp? 20 AA isn't going to be the average lesson burn, do the math.

[Loperz]

i can post a parse if u want of my burn tonight, i know i am good so i don't waste effort lieing.

but it comes out to about 80 ogres at 5 casts apiece. I have got to work on my order a bit more i have gotten 20 once so far if respawns don't align perfectly and a few annoying snare resists can knock u down to 19 or 18.

[TwoBuckChuck]

IM the log and i'll parse it out myself:p

[Loperz]

actually pass, to much secret stuff crosses my log

currently waiting for casuals to leave my camp :(

[Loperz]

/GU Combined: A Rallosian sentinel in 1867s, 14323k @7671 --- Loperz 14323k
total number of individual mobs listed on gamparse 63
total aa gained 18 and 70%

i screwed up like first 5 minutes of my burn so yeah should have been higher.

[DeadLikeMe]

If you use gamparse, you can combine fights, export it to a file and omit all chatter.

[Atvar]

Or you could go figure it out on your own, now knowing that it's possible, instead of demanding to be spoonfed every single detail.

[TwoBuckChuck]

Parses can be faked with out the log...would take alot of work to bs a log of 14+ million total dmg, don't really care though either way. AA's, gear, tactics..figured out along time ago. Still calling bs on 20 AAs on average. Tosk is boring as fuk.

[solithan]

I played around in looping planes and I found the worg camp to be better then the crocs. I was barely getting 8 at the crocs and getting close to 10 at the worgs.

The crocs are too spaced out and it required picking up frogs and bears.



As for the Tosk stuff I'll just have to ask you guys where exactly you are camping. 20 sounds like a ton unless you're using some trick, which if you were I can see why you wouldn't want to share.

[TwoBuckChuck]

You mean sploit:p, trick would be something in our tool boxes being used as design.

basically in Tosk, you want to camp in an area with the most mobs because you simply are going to run out of them.

I camp in the large area near the Thieves. You can pull three static spawn of 5, as well as the 5 thieves and named, and two areas of static 2. To be able to hit greater than 10 AA on a lesson burn you need to be able to pull all those mobs before respawn. Usually I end up doing so, then I pull various mobs near center..genrally 5 or so more, and venture up into Tonks area pulling all those mobs down. By then the static 5 are respawning.

[Atvar]

Fact: you can kill a tosk mob with 6 dots in raid gear.
Fact: you can cast 6 dots in ~30s or less.
Fact: you can thus kill ~60 mobs in a 30 minute lesson burn.
Fact: tosk mobs give ~0.3 aa per kill with lesson running.
Fact: 60*0.3 = 18 aa

[solithan]

Fact: you can kill a tosk mob with 6 dots in raid gear.
Fact: you can cast 6 dots in ~30s or less.
Fact: you can thus kill ~60 mobs in a 30 minute lesson burn.
Fact: tosk mobs give ~0.3 aa per kill with lesson running.
Fact: 60*0.3 = 18 aa

Fact 18<20

sorry I just had too. :)

[solithan]

..
I camp in the large area near the Thieves. You can pull three static spawn of 5, as well as the 5 thieves and named, and two areas of static 2.. .

I think I assumed that named would summon and cause me issues. That was actually my complaint of several areas. Named would spawn and cause me issues there by killing the burn. Other places I tried were either over camped or didn't have enough mobs.

I think I know the spot you're talking about though and I think the named turned me off from there before I tried it.

[TwoBuckChuck]

Named is a quest mob in that area, doesnt summon but takes are few more dots to kill than normal for no net gain of exp. Thieves also themselves have more hps than the other mobs, not desirable but they are an easy grab while waiting for other mobs.


I also camped a spot up top, little less spread out but groups of two...I like 5 or more pulls.

[Lowestcommon]

Fact 18<20

sorry I just had too. :)

Ass...lol

[Loperz]

i was just trying to show that its possible not hand feed you all how to do it, my average is closer to 18-20 range now have not gotten a 17 since like a week ago. Basically the rate you can get aa in tosk is about personal skill, and personal speed.It is all about practice at this point, i imagine if i actually needed enough aa that i would continue burning till feb i would almost always be bringing in 20.

To address Solithan yes named mobs spawning can cause issues but figure you only need a camp for 30 minutes odds of spawning a named aren't really that high just have to hope you don't spawn one cause it can slow you down.

[Planta]

I believe that loperz is getting what he says. I Lesson burn in Warrens and since UF came out I get 16 AA a burn, that is with running out of mobs in my camp.

To add to what atvar said, using third spire and anguish BP will also decrease how many spells you need to cast within that 30 minute time period.

[anohterone]

best i have found is do all 3 of the MMs in pok then go to CoD and get the quest studying the portal from yemall the arcane need 3ppl to get it but merc can count as one so only need a bot or someone willing to hold task for 30 mins anyways i keep war pet up with mage toys for the kyvs. but i start out in the back on the the wall and clear foward long as u dont zone out for 15-20mins the zone will not repop and it has 45-50 mobs in it i can get 25 aas per lesson but the MMs i talked about first give 6 of em i think but if u have death bloom aa then u get 30 mins no stop aaing hope this helps someone

[Brahman]

you realize the AAs from MMs are not increased by lesson?

It does increase the amount of normal xp gotten from them though. :)