Necro Charm

[Falherst]

Hey fellow Necros...

Can't seem to get a straight answer on this. I am using lvl 54 Thrall of Bones (undead charm spell) and I can't keep the critters charmed for more than five minutes, yet the spell duration says up to 20 minutes.

Does Charisma affect how long the creature is charmed? I have heard that it does not, and that it does but you need high Charisma, and also that as a necro you need low Charisma for a good charm.

Does anyone know for sure? Has anyone tested it?

Any thoughts would be helpful.

Falherst the Dark

[Demetrii Spiritdrinker]

I've heard conflicting information on this as well, but I've come to believe that Charm seems to be more affected by the magical resistance and level difference ( + / - ) between the caster and the creature that the caster tries to charm, than by the caster's charisma, and so far as I've seen when I played with Word of Terris, neg. MR equipment, an enchanter's Tash., and a Shaman's Malosinia on the creature all at the same time, reduction on the creature's MR and a blue-con on the creature, level-wise, should be enough to increase Charm's duration considerably.


On the other hand, get a couple of +25 Cha steins, and you can be nice and pretty for all the Tortured Souls that you've just Rune of Death'd, for when charm breaks in mid-combat. That helps, too. Allow me to post an example.

____________________

Your charm spell has worn off.
A Tortured Soul materializes out of the darkness.
Demetrii panics and screams.
Demetrii raises a Crude Stein, and offers ice cold refreshment to A Tortured Soul.
A Tortured Soul completely rethinks its outlook on unlife.
A Tortured Soul says, ' Cheers! '
____________________


As you can see, steins can sometimes pay off big, too.

[Ahura Mazda]

cha has no effect on fear or charm.

if you want a better charm bring a shm/enc or get an orb of tishan and drop the mobs magic restance before attempting to charm.

[Sappho]

Originally posted by Ahura Mazda@Apr 3 2004, 09:32 PM
cha has no effect on fear or charm.

Well the truth is that we can't make such bold statements. We don't know.

Many people believe that charisma is one of the primary checks for enchanters but only a secondary check for other charming classes. Personally I don't know if the EQ developers would bother making the system that complex.

A proficient charmer that I know believes, based on extensive personal experience, that charisma IS a factor for necromancer charming, but that (as suggested in earlier postings here) the mobs MR, and level difference have greater effect. In his case he takes off his everyday PRI/SEC/RANGE items and replaces them with three tradeskill trophies for a total bonus of 150 CHA.

At the end of the day - experiment. If you find that extra charisma helps, then go for it - but I wouldn't expect another 10 or 20 CHA to have any noticeable effect.

Sappho

[Ahura Mazda]

LOL, I do know from experimentation. just becuase I dont go into the whole rant doesn't mean I haven't done it.

I have done two seperate experiements.

1- I charmed the same mob in Veksar 10 times using the lowest CHA i could get, and then tried Charming the same mob 10 times using max CHA(i got just under 200) Using low CHA my avg charm duration was 3m25s. Using Max CHA the avg duration was 3m13s seconds. The small difference indicated to me that neither had any effect on duration.

2-Second experiment was after the first. I tashed the mob using my Orb of Tishan first and then charmed it 10 times using Low CHA and 10 times using high CHA. With Low CHA avg duration was 11m32s using High CHA the avg duration was 10m47s.

From the 2 tests its clear to me that changing CHA has no effect on the duration yet when you drop the mobs magic resistnace duration goes way up. I think it was just a coincidental fluke that the higher CHA number offered lower duration. Also remember these are "averages" I had one or two that dropped charm in a couple minutes and I had a couple that went close to 16min.

I would accept that CHA could possbily effect if the mob is able to 'resist' the charm initially, while doing my 40charm test I only had 2 resists which were not factored into the average. I think the players level versus the level of the mob they are charming has the greater effect on resist but CHA could also factor in at that point.

As far as fear it just simply doesn't effect it. This has been stated by dev team members at Fan Faires.