What have I done!?

[Redemption]

I just made my first necromancer, i usto be a lvl 28 gnome warrior and got HELLA bored. So I just finished making my Iksar necromancer, his name is Redemption. My question is, attribute distribution. I make an Iksar for the regen, I learned of the mana recycle method form my friend hp - mana etc. so when I created him I pumped as many points into Sta and the rest into Int.

*Was this a bad choice?

[Fizzleplink]

It may feel like it from time to time, particularly in the 40s, but overall? Nah.

Well, I'm assuming you meant putting points into stamina. Being an iksar will haunt you for the rest of your lives.

[Amused]

/agree fizzlepink

Have a 59 Iksar Monk and once had a 61 Iksar bst... friggin hated em

[Dranul]

Bah, don't listen to them. First toon, first necro, and he's an iksar. Absolutely love him. Putting the points into stamina...in the long run (Like level 65), I don't think it'll matter because it's easier to get int gear than hp gear, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't think we get that many extra hp per level from stamina. Just the way caster hp is calculated by the game, I think. I might go back and remake him, but that's just my 2 cents.

And ikkys rule!

[Shaithar]

not to start another ikkies suck vs rule thread but I must say


/agree with Dranul

[Redemption]

what would be a good race/attribute distribution choice for a new necro no twinking or anything. ?

[Syneri]

ok i think you did a great job selecting class and dumping into attributes altho, being in iksar would not be my choice. i have a dark elf and in glad i am one. simply put beacuse there is no xp penalty for being one. on the other hand being a gnome help beacuse of tinkering and the ability to make stalking probes. i overcame this with making a lvl 1 gnome chanter with 150 tinkering skill =p

overall youll like it at this lvl but if your looking for long term id go with something else

[KeeL187]

I made an iskar necro once. Man I hated it so much, the exp penalty got to me and their are no armor quests. Maybe some ppl like it but the only things iskars are good for are monks. Or at least I think so.

[Antilight]

Originally posted by Syneri@Apr 5 2004, 06:42 AM
ok i think you did a great job selecting class and dumping into attributes altho, being in iksar would not be my choice. i have a dark elf and in glad i am one. simply put beacuse there is no xp penalty for being one. on the other hand being a gnome help beacuse of tinkering and the ability to make stalking probes. i overcame this with making a lvl 1 gnome chanter with 150 tinkering skill =p

overall youll like it at this lvl but if your looking for long term id go with something else
Been awhile, but I thought gnomes had to be level 16 before they could tinker?


Antilight :ph34r:

[Kompressor]

heh, being an iksar, u dont have to worry about not bein able to kill certain things in fear of ruining factions..

[Kompressor]

Been awhile, but I thought gnomes had to be level 16 before they could tinker?



and I think they have a skill cap per lvl too. http://www.tinkering.org/started.shtml

[Dragulla]

I have a 61 Iksar necro and since the expansions luclin,pop,ect there are plenty of places to shop and get all needed supplies. the regen is also worth while so as you lvl up you will see that its not a bad choice to be a iksar necro. IMO.

[Salizarr]

Originally posted by Dragulla@Apr 5 2004, 05:47 PM
I have a 61 Iksar necro and since the expansions luclin,pop,ect there are plenty of places to shop and get all needed supplies. the regen is also worth while so as you lvl up you will see that its not a bad choice to be a iksar necro. IMO.
I second that!

The exp penalty doesn't really hurt us since we are always soloing (or at least, most of the time).
The benefits of regen i belive have been stated all around. Some consider it not important once you get to 65 and start getting good gears but i think that we all have to work our way up to 65 and regen DOES make a difference.

Sal

[Jebasiz]

You did fine already. Iksars (we) have relatively low starting int, so I think I split it 15/10 stamina/int. It's been a LOOOONG time for me, but I think that's what it was. Iksar necromancers have no trouble acquiring money/gear/spells even at a low level. Don't be to concerned with previous statements, just make the race you want to play.

[Xebitikz]

Don't be to concerned with previous statements, just make the race you want to play.

Need I say more.

Wait yah, I will. half elf warrior's r hawt.

[Srell-Meister]

I gotta /agree with Jeb, I've been playing my Iksar necro for 4 years off and on (just got 53, yay :) ) .. and as you were asking, *not* twinked, the low int (I'm guessing 85/95?) will kinda hurt at lower lvls but I didn't have _too_ much trouble with it. Our mana xfer spells help a lot and up till Call of Bones, you won't loose hp to the xfer spells while sitting. I loved being lvl20 and not having to Tap or get heals while everyone else did. Hell, if I remember right, I actually gained HP while sitting.

/rant on
When I started my necro I had already made a druid to 24 and it wasn't happening with the solo situation. I had kunark and knew about the iksar regen and ac boost. That and the fact that iksar are _THE_ most evil race in norrath, along with being just evil looking in general (I mean really, who wants to look like a smurf? <_< ).
/rant off

But back to the point, you _might_ want to restart your guy if your INT is less than 90-95ish. I'm 53, have relatively good INT gear and am at 237 with stat food. Once I start getting some PoP/Velious gear, I'll be able to get 255, but unless you can twink pretty good, below 100 INT at start will be somewhat of a crutch. I know it was for me. <_<

[Ikirra]

All I can say is play the race you want or can have the most fun with. I made a Gnome and I love it. I do a lot of roleplaying when I can and a gnome just seems to be fun for that. As far as the faction issues....who cares I kill anything and everything that looks at me wrong. I'm even KoS in my home town....As for the stats you will be able to afford any gear you want to make up for any stat later in the game.

[Vaelhan]

ikky necros are a good race/class to go with for some people, personally all 3 of my necros are human but thats just me, meh best bro has a DE and an ikky necro both 65 and he says he loves them both but he didn't like the xp penalty for ikky's. again not a bad choice, i like how ya dumped the attribute points, i wouldn't worry about getting int gear after 200int until 60+ not really that much of a benefit, i'd go sta/hp/dex and maybe some str, once you get into your 60's money making becomes pretty easy, if i didn't have my str gear i wouldn't be able to move just because i carry about 1500pp on me all the time just incase. again ikky necro = good race/class selection just watch out for that xp penalty and don't get discouraged when lvling gets slow for 5 or 10 lvls it'll pick back up if you get bored soloing go group your well adapted for it.



Vaelhan Hemafier - 65 arch lich - Tunare

[Mephistofolies]

Iksar regen is helpful at any lvl. People say that it doesnt matter much at lvl 65, i just dont get it. Necro's primary form of mana recovery is the lich line, so any type of hightened regen is awesome as it means y ou wont have to tap(read inefficient) as often.

I base myself in PoK and there are certianly no faction issues there, not to mention that you can get anywhere in norath very quickly from PoK. The truth is that each expansion lessened the problems that evil races face. Is there a single place in PoP where certian races are KoS?

Meph

[Glauron]

Iskar meat makes a good sandwich. Other than that im not sure what their good for. Watching their tails shake as the run perhaps? :P

[Fizzleplink]

I have a slab of Iksar and a slab of Troll in my fridge.

Heirlooms.

[Kompressor]

lol.. some of these posts made me laugh IRL. I am a def, and used to have an ikkie. I made the def jus for a change, no real reason in particular. I think some peeps put too much emphasis on who/what/why/how much as opposed to jus playin the damn game and lvling :P

[cornflkeboy]

I think Iksar is a great choice for necro's simply because they look so damned evil. The starting stats don't matter because any race can be brought up to max INT easily with the right gear. The most important thing is to choose the race you gravitate towards and have fun with it :)

[Mixylplix]

Gnomes Rule..

Others Drool...



GNOMERCY!!! :ph34r:

Anyway, Lizards are a pain. Gnomies can build positive faction with the neighbors fairly easily. Though Merchant faction is another story and the Banker in Kaladim is STILL Kos, no idea why...

[Jebasiz]

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=13466, that is all.

[Schaeffer]

Now THAT'S funny!!!!

[Muse Noire]

Redemption, a good race choice depends entirely on what you are looking for in the game. If what you want is a real powerful character I must admit iksars got it easy with their regen if the experience penalty doesn't bother you (I am a dark elf with a robe of abrogation so I benefit from hp regeneration also). I say if what you want is to roleplay take a character that you can live and feel through, while I love iksar necro I can't roleplay one because it is just not me, erudite are too ugly imho and human... well I am a human do I want to be one in a fantasy game? naaaah. As for the stats, I am the old school intelligence type *smirks* for creation, especially if you are not twink, you gonna need that mana.

[Fizzleplink]

I prefer hot 'n' spicy toelings.

[Sauhron]

Nice Sig Akor very sexy. ;)

[Skulmar]

Originally posted by Muse Noire@Apr 23 2004, 03:53 AM
... and human... well I am a human do I want to be one in a fantasy game? naaaah.
Thank you! I have been saying that from when I first started the game. I'm already human, why would I want to play one!!

[Dranul]

Now that we've gotten somewhat off topic....there are sometimes when human is simply the best choice. I created a god of balance for the D&D universe, and humans and half-elves are the best race choices for a cleric of that god. Humans and half-elves are more inclined to have a personality dominated by opposites than other races. True, it is fun to break stereotypes and roleplay a race without all the cultural restrictions people have given to the non-human fantasy races. Humans are simply the race to go with due to roleplaying reasons.

But anyway, start a human necro if you want. If you're looking for a easier time dealing with lich and don't care a lick about faction, go with iksar. Otherwise, let the itch that cannot be scratched by mere hack n' slash choose for you.

[Menil]

Play whatever race you want. Iksar regen would be nice for lower levels, and Iksar has the best newbie zone out of any race.

Once you hit 65, you'll be going all AA. If you are on 100% AA, you don't pay the experience penalty. At that point, you'll have uber regen too.

Other races are good too though. . .Erudites have the best foreheads, Dark Elves look the best with the 70s open-robe-look-at-my-navel look, and Humans have the choice to have a porn star moustache.

Don't go gnome though, they are just irritating.

[Tiff Darknecros]

Personally I would go either Dark Elf or Gnome.

2 reasons really -

1. I know end of game doesn't matter much as far as character stats per say - however its the 2 years before that happens that we all have to contend with. The reason I would choose one of these 2 races is simply the fact that you can Max out your characters innate INT and either put the rest in STA or STR (Mine was STA personnally). Why you may ask ... because its easier then to concentrate the gear for your character for MANA / HP / and AC components with a character that already has a high mana pool to start ... this will allow for longer life in LICH form and be able to withstand a hit or 2 - plus these types of gear are getting cheaper and easier to find. High INT gear I fear leads you down the wrong path of thinking in my opinion - most of the gear is easy to find - but has low AC components normally - rarely any MANA bonuses - And all around just not suited for a Necros needs. Most of my gear is HP and MANA related which I find also has a huge "SAVES" factor built in as well - most of my "SAVES" are above 90 with little plat spent.

2. At lower levels the evil cities for the Dark Elf can provide all your needs - and for the Gnome race the faction building is way easier to allow for better travel throughout the worlds - This is the reason primarily that Ikkie players - play thier characters for this exact challenge - however ususally these are experienced Everquest players that have some "ALTS" and know their way around per say - to start Everquest this way - may offer to much of a challenge - that of course is up to the individual.

All in all there are some real benefits to playing a Necro period. Personnally I am a Dark Elf Necro - have never had issues with any evil city - never had issues with playing in the OT or Dreadlands because of my race - I have worked faction at lower levels with no issues - This race also has a innate resistence to MAGIC - all in all - I have had a real easy time of it when I was younger. Now that I'm in the Planes - I'm on the same page as everyone else per say - and of course the end of game is going to get more like that - but I still enjoy going to OT to buy spells when in my 50's - watching the Dragoons march out and wipe everyone ... hehehe.

I think your original idea was sound - STA and HP's thinking - but I would have approached this through equipment and not through the innate abilities of my character. This of course is my opinion - take it as you will - when you really start getting up there - a Lifeburn cast that does 9500 points of damage says that you have HP's to spare - and that really is the focus of this class in my opinion - mana for us can be regen'd quicker than you can say spit - so boost your characters innate INT to start - focus on being tough through equipment as you play - and all will be good - after all you are a Necromancer - A very powerful character for an ally and as an enemy.

[Neante]

My only beef with adding stamina early in the game is...

sta to hp ratio is EXTEMELY LOW. I think it is 1 sta to 1 hp. where on a warrior it is 1 to 5 or something like that. The benifit of increasing stam in marginal at best. I did the math and figured stamina is totally wasted on a caster.

Int benifits are incredible I thnk they are as much as 1 int = 5 mana

I thought to myself after learning that damn.. maybe I shouldn't have rolled on those stamina augs in ldon hehehe

there are AA's that increase your HP's from Stamina but marginally still... the best is a 10% increase in HP given.

In my mind.... untill 60's or higher Sta is totally useless and wasted on casters... In your 60's sta efficiency increase is marginal and is a vialbe strategic option.

Edit:
hehe this is just an opionion you how the old saying goes on opinions... No matter how your roll was at the begining you will enjoy the class if you take the time to learn our plusses and minuses.

Never could figure out why calculus was so damn important hehe Now I know... So we can do EQ calcs hehe.

[Insidiousdesign]

You made a great choice....enough said. There are times when you'll feel an experience penalty, but it only took me 5 months of steady playing to get to 65. When all else fails, kill NPC's....
Also, i personally can't stand the iksar high definition model, which is nothing more than a glorified kittycat in my opinion, so leave my iksar settings to low definition.