Other Classes That Irk You:)

[Recluse]

We all know that necromancers power is unmatched and that all other classes pale in comparision, but to you, what other class is in biggest need of being informed of this?:)


In all of Norrath and beyond there are two classes I have a beef with:


Wizards:

I really have nothing against wizards in and of themselves -most of the wizards I know are really great and fun people. My problem lies in the perception most have of them: Many tend to feel they're the end all of dps which I think is total bs. Against planar mobs and raid encounters I always produce as much damage as wizard if not more and there's no comparision against raid bosses. A necromancer's dps is unmatched in such encounters. Even against mobs with under 20k hp's I would rather have a mage by my side than a wizzy. Their nukes aren't on par, but their pets more than make up for it.

Now, don't get me wrong, wizard dps is ubber. But they aren't the kings. Necros, mages, rangers and monks all match them if not better them in certain sitautions.


Enchanters:

Ench's kill almost every iota of fun I derieve from the game for several reasons. For starters, I think cc takes the fun out of most none raid encounters. I hate doing LDoN's with ench's. Necro's really shine in LDoN's with no cc. There's nothing better than when your monk has a bad pull in a hard and you're forced to pull the add into the next room and kite it (many times killing it before the other mob is dispatched by the rest of the grp). Conversely, I get sick of listening to others whine about how this or that can't be done without an ench. I get this all the times with hard adv's. I got it when I did the PoJ trials. Most things is the game can be done without ench's, it's just harder. And I want a challenge.

In addition there's nothing long than the waiting for other casters to get their precious KEI before they can do anything. I can't count how many LDoN's I've had wait around for upwards of a half an hour for the healer to find a KEI. You finally get so flustrated that you start doing /who all's to find and ench and ask them to KEI your group. Half the time the ench gets insultated that you would actually ask them for a KEI in such a fashion. I have asked clerics to run to zones that would take nearly a half an hour to get to give uor take lag speed and more often than not they won't do it, but they won't get mad at you for asking. I never have a problem finding a cleric to cast an hov, a spell that costs a 10pp gem, at a LDoN camp on me or my group. It's a totally different story with an ench and their cost free spell.

In conclusion, they irk me because they make the game to easy and many have an attitude. Now granted, the later opinion is probably clouded because I have had some very bad experiences with ench's in the past (in case you can't tell:) but I feel as a whole they get their asses kissed way to much. Yes, I understand for many raid encounters they are absolutely essential -but necros are no less important. Every class brings their own special flair to each encounter and should be treated as such.


And these are my complaints:)

[Sliderfx]

Enchanters annoy the hell outta me. In the entire time i have played I have only grouped with 3 ench's who were not pricks and knew what they were doing. If i group with a chanter 99% of the time they are used to slow the mobs and haste the tanks. Thats about all. No real cc.

[Shadowthorne Darkbane]

Yep Really Pisses Enchanters off if they're in your group. They cast group Kei And the first thing i do after i bring out my Pet is Lich. Roflmao I could care less Lich is Far better i've tried sitting there with a Kei and i'm like ok where the fuck is the mana? it's just too godamn slow. Hell even Tranquility sux.

Some Chanters are a pain but some are ok as well. At least i don't get asked to Twitch when we have one.


Next Class Asshat Clerics who DEMAND You twitch them in Ldons.

BWahahahahaha Fuck that and Fuck them. I'll take a loss i don't give a Shit i State UPFRONT. I Only twitch if it's Down to the wire they can't handle their Mana too damn Bad.

Shadowthorne Darkbane
57 Human Defiler of Innoruuk
Sacred honor
Sol Ro

[KeeL187]

Originally posted by Shadowthorne Darkbane@Apr 9 2004, 02:33 PM
Yep Really Pisses Enchanters off if they're in your group. They cast group Kei And the first thing i do after i bring out my Pet is Lich. Roflmao I could care less Lich is Far better i've tried sitting there with a Kei and i'm like ok where the fuck is the mana? it's just too godamn slow. Hell even Tranquility sux.

Some Chanters are a pain but some are ok as well. At least i don't get asked to Twitch when we have one.


Next Class Asshat Clerics who DEMAND You twitch them in Ldons.

BWahahahahaha Fuck that and Fuck them. I'll take a loss i don't give a Shit i State UPFRONT. I Only twitch if it's Down to the wire they can't handle their Mana too damn Bad.

Shadowthorne Darkbane
57 Human Defiler of Innoruuk
Sacred honor
Sol Ro
Damn I hate clerics that make you twitch them. I mean yeah it is important for the group to survive, but hey I am a necro if we get over run i just FD =).

When ever I am on my cleric and a necro is in my group I rufuse to let him give me mana. Casters are just as important as the tankers, hell most of time more important.

[Xebitikz]

Now, don't get me wrong, wizard dps is ubber. But they aren't the kings. Necros, mages, rangers and monks all match them if not better them in certain sitautions.

First things first. Rogue > all melee cept a crazy ass AA'ed Trueshoting Ranger(usually cant sustain as much DPS as rogue though hehe).

And as far as most hated class in EQ I have to definatley vote for druids. These little pricks always wind up at MY camps and think they can dowhatever the hell they want such as dragging quads over you and ganking your mobs to finish their quads. Alot of them also think they have a superior ability to solo than us which while they are close We do it better because we can actually sustain it without outside help. (KEI). Another reason I hate druids is because i played one once and they fucking suck :( .

[Recluse]

Honestly, I've never seen a rogue where I was really impressed with his dps. Granted, I never grp with rogues very much. For some reason it just never works out that way.


I agree about the rangers: The aa's toward their bows really make a big difference. But monks? I know monks that can quad for 500 a pop on a regular basis. For pure melee dps monks are the kings in my opinions. I was in an LDoN grp once with 3 monks and our dps was insane. One of the monks was tanking and I was really going all out to. I could not pull agro from that lizard he was hitting so hard.


And druids. I used to feel that way about them but now it's more pity than anger. Seriously, once they get to the 50's their screwed. They only really get grps when an LDoN grp has been sitting around for a half hour trying to find a cleric and the ench is about to leave unless a healer is inc right then and there:) And soloing? Druids are majorly humbled in the planes when it comes to soloing. I only know a few druids that can solo 2nd teir planes and above. They only one they really excel at is HoH because they can dc those wolf thingies and kite like a necro:) But trust me, once you get to the planes, you'll have druids sending you tells asking you to duo with them all the time:)

[Rikam]

Sk's, lol I love them in grps tanking when I have to get ldon points but other then that I wish them to burn in eternal hell fire. Have a few sk on my server who think they can kite. So I am too lazy to run into a basement in HoH and the gy is vacant so I set up shop bust out the pet and buffs get going. After a few pulls a sk shows up starts buffing and he pulls inc 1 unsnared. So he is running around on horse back trying to snare so finaly I take pitty on him and snare it. Go pull come back and he is running around at 20% health trying to resnare and not die so i resnare and he finishes it off.

Now I have finished my kill I start to head to grab a new one inc 2 one has only range agro so it starts beating on me. Snare through the beating and start killing it. Finish it off and the I get tell, "Hey arse don't steal my mobs." Bewildered I say you could barly handle one with out my help and you pull two with only one snared. He says I pull I kill. Pissed off necro says ok sorry about that let me get a new one for you. Dead sk............. :D

Moral of the story beware necros bearing gifts

[Jebasiz]

No one class really pisses me off, it's the stupid people behind the computers that seem to congregate to particular classes that piss me.

Necromancers are versatile (kick ass) enough to pretty much play with any other class if those 2 people put themselves in an advantagious situation. I've group with members of the same class and guild, on the same day..and enjoyed one, and absolutely despised the other. If you work together and play to your strengths, provided both of you don't have your head up your ass...it should go well. Afterall...most of the time we can handle the spawns were at solo...all they have to do it not make it harder on us.

[Tephaneis]

I had a chanter that has been bugging me and the other day he wanted to join my group in OT (I group alot cuz I like talking) and I didn't invite him so he "tryed" to train us. The group was far enough away and I cast FD and there layed a dead chanter. The he kept saying get me a rez you noob. I was like LMFAO. Then he came back and when he was looting I said hey bro here is how you train and FD right beside him with 10 ago mobs on me, he was dead again LMAO. Teach ya to mess with me =)

[Glauron]

I chose a Necro because, well basically people shit me. I spent probably 95% of my time from 1 to 60 solo, and just recently am finding it rewarding grouping with folks I know.Lately i've been hunting with a few friends, which I find pretty enjoyable, as they're people whom i've know quite a while and can trust. Do alot of duo'ing with a 65 Bst, which is great. 2 pets, a slower and a dps/healer/mezzer/etc etc.....
If I had to pick a class specifically to despise i'd have to say Druids, with chanters and wizzies running a close second.
I find it extremely invigorating to come across a druids corpse in a zone im playing in. Usually stop and try to send a tell, dripping with sarcasm and malice.

[Captain_Crunch]

tsk tsk you are all a bunch of eq-class-rasicists...ss... WOOT 2nd word ever made up :o . My basic thought in classes is the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" theory applied to everquest. Druids are jackasses waiting to be annoying, to be sure, but the person behind the druid might be willing to direct that annoying..ness... (3rd and counting) towards people we like even less... say... rangers. Well that quickly strayed from the total point of being anti-eq-class-racists, but I am sure you all got a quick laugh :D . Basically though I have some great druid friends, a couple (and by that I mean 1) ranger friends, and no enchanter friends (but I am SURE that is just coincidence *wink*). Druids and enchanters and rangers all get skills which can be used to piss people off (oh, I loved the days of a bard where I would charm a mob some jackass I wanted to get revenge on kiting for 8 minutes, and disappear it on some uber mob then fire up that bard speed and zone), but like I said I don't have to do that to people it just is a bug that comes with being a bard, and if it can be used to be a jackass and to get revenge well so be it. I mean even us necros might not be liked, after all I don't think people like being fd trained whether they pissed us off or not. Anyway back to the point all classes (except maybe warriors, but then again they aren't good for much in the first place) have ways to piss people off, and it just so happens that druids, rangers and enchanters like to use those more often. Furthermore sometimes with those classes they feel, when they are often needed despite whether they want to or not, can give them a puffed up ego (I am sure we ALL have met someone like that, who feel they can do whatever they want and the group has to bend to their rule) but as necros we are very good at bursing those bubbles of ego (had a particuarly annoying warrior in a group once, "taunted" him into doing a duel because he had a familiar habit for "pull the train on us and try to fight it rambo style", rooted him and pulled for the group. I could literally see the thundercloud over his head when I finally decided to be merciful and kill him). But like I said whether it is because they are on an ego trip or just a plan jackass, don't blame the class: blame the drunk behind it.

P.S. sorry about the lack of paragraphs was too lazy to figure out where to break the reply.

[Ophilia Gravepact]

Ugly, dwarven, clerics :angry: . There seems to have been a sudden increase in their population on my serevr that is in dire need of a good culling. Been grouped with a few different dwarven clerics on several LDoN's and it still perplex's me that the uncharismatic, little, stumps, think they are the bee's knee's. All of them seem to have the same "I am the sh1z!" attitude too, as they try pacify mobs with their horrible little faces and subsequently get flattened...

One dwarven cleric even said to me "why did you make a necro? that's what clerics are for!" :ph34r:

It's pretty hard to scare us Necro's but that statement gave me the willies :blink: .

[ssyruk]

I like druids and wizards...they're really good a stealing agro from the tanks and playing agro sponge. Always have at least 1 or 2 in your group...your tanks will love you for it :D

[Recluse]

Druids -I think a lot play with a chip on their shoulder. Life for a post 50 druid is very rough. They'll have few problems getting into a raiding guild because of Pot9. But outside of the raids, what is there? Their soloing really falls and no one wants them for groups. Then you add in the fact that many don't like them and you have a toon that can be very flustrating to play.


As for ench's and clerics, I think a lot of it comes down to pampering. Both classes have extremely easy ways of making money in the 60's through buffing and in addition, they're frequently given things by their guilds. I joined a fairly respectful raiding guild about 3 weeks ago. As of now i have yet to get an item because guild regulation states one must have 35% raid attendance before one can purchase an item through DKP. No biggie if you ask me. But this doesn't apply to all classes. I cleric I know just recently joined the guild last week and she has already been allowed to purchase her ornate bp mold and a nice primary. From what I've heard a lot of raiding guilds have this kind of double standard. Hard reality but I guess if I want the items and flags...:(

[Xebitikz]

Ugly, dwarven, clerics . There seems to have been a sudden increase in their population on my serevr that is in dire need of a good culling. Been grouped with a few different dwarven clerics on several LDoN's and it still perplex's me that the uncharismatic, little, stumps, think they are the bee's knee's. All of them seem to have the same "I am the sh1z!" attitude too, as they try pacify mobs with their horrible little faces and subsequently get flattened...


<-----65 dorf cleric....


Wtf tho I gots nothin but necro love or I wouldnt be leveling my 2nd one past 60 :(

[NeSikWay]

First like most others, its the person at the computer you have to dislike the way they play, and second, if you play with someone who is really good at a class then with someone who's not as good, you start disliking it even more. Lets face it we are spoiled rotten, we get good groups and good players its hard to settle for less. I can say more often than not, I hate that ALot of the time when doing dungeons and theirs a druid in the group, the request or become main looters and then disappear with all the loot, its happened to me several times, and the way druids kite in certain zones drives me crazy. I have a druid, and one time found a druid hater, I was snare kiting a mob and they tried to take it, I killed it and they claimed I KSed them, so they call a lvl 65 friend to ks all my mobs for a while. So you see this goes both ways. I mostly hate people who don't remember this is JUST A GAME! and if you screw someone over they can and will remember your name. I've never trained anyone on purpose even if they piss me off (hard to do, I try and rememberi its a game) There are some things I like to do with c4 or c5 rather than lich, not because lich isnt better, but why not? because its just a game. a cleric asking for a twitch.....for me depends on the circumstances. Lets face it a cleric might not need twitching if the puller would check on ac/hp ratio to the tank and the cleric's mana pool. Today in the world of twinks, an ordinary cleric won't be liked in a group or thought to be a bad cleric because of having a small mana pool or a tank not having enuf ac/hp. We as necros don't worry about such things. So before going out on a class, might want to look at some of the details of some of the problems other players create for those players.

[Greencorneq]

For me it's Druids also. Only because they tend to run there mobs over me or groups i've been in and stealing my mobs (Well LOL trying to) and causing me general probs in that area. I have a lvl 30 Druid and would never do these sort of things, maybe because I've seen the results, but really why would i need to. I think Druids are a good class if played by a good player.

End Result: Any Player in the game can be an A$$ but doesn't mean they all are.

I have a SK also and a Cleric and seriously have never had any probs with anyone.

Guess it all boils down to life as it is, full of A$$H_______ and ignorant people everywhere but they only really bother you if you let them, there are all sorts of ways to get even. I have never trained anyone myself, although the temptation was certainly there a few times with some people in the game.

Remember all it's a GAME don't take it to seriously and have fun. My 2cp...

[Ahura Mazda]

NERF BARDS!!!!

...that is all.

[Jebasiz]

I'd have to say the class that "irks" me the most often is.....Necromancers. I have a specific playstyle, as do the necros I'm guilded with. It never ceases to amaze me when we'll have an open 5th or 6th slot in a group, my friends are busy... the other members of the groups' friends are busy and we'll random lfg the last 1 or 2 spots. Since I generally like my class community I *try* to get a necro in this situation. Most of the time my groups don't mind cuz "hell, yeah necros rock" and then it happens. We get the level 65 necro with 3 spells over level 62, that actually freakin dies (sometimes twice), has very low dps...and doesn't cast group taps of any kind.

I know that me being there, it could be expected that I group tap, which I do...but mindwrack's refresh is long enough that 2 necros can alternate, zevfeers has enough mana cost associated with it that it'd be nice to alternate it. If they only have 1 level 60+ dot, what else are they casting?

I didn't have to struggle getting my PoP spells so I don't really know how much of a pain it is, or how slow they come. My guild gave me what I couldn't get on my own, (level 65 spells) and I solo'd spectrals pretty effectively in HOH before they nerfed the droprate...but it's still very annoying to see a 3rd title level 65 necro in spectre form in a high risk ldon, I TRY to empathize with them (I really do, I just can't). I dunno, semi-afk necros that seemingly just send in their pet "irk" me. Often times I'm puller (and atleast help with CC) for the high risk missions my friends and I do, and I like using the versatility of my class...I guess seeing a necro reduced to a mage (and a bad one if that) really just makes me angry.

[Fizzleplink]

It never ceases to amaze me how LITTLE most players do. As a result, those who actually pay attention to what they do, know what others can do, and can adapt... well, they shine in comparison.

[Xebitikz]

Yup, there is nothing worse than lazy people who do not know how to play there class or just refuse too because they dont feel they have to.

[Recluse]

Hey Jeb, I was one of those necros:)


Generally speaking it's much easier to level than it is to get spells 62+. A lot of the good money zones for a 65 necro to do are rough without Horror and BoT. I did Veksar back before I got most of my main 60's dots and it took forever and lots of mana to kill a mob. Aside from the dots, Touch of Death is a huge spell for Veks in my opionin. CoB, ToD, Horror, Shackle of Spirits and SK are the 5 main spells I use in Veks. 3 of the 5 I didn't have when I hit 65.


This leaves farming BoT or HoH for sp's and trying to get an open BoT tower raid for runes if you're not in a raid guild. The chances of you getting a rune of a pick-up raid goes without saying. I think HoH would be a pain to solo without most the 63+ spells. I know I really struggled with PoV till I got ED and Horror. This leaves pick-up groups in BoT and HoH for sp's. On my server sp's are always ffa. I've been in groups where I mentioned I didn't have all of my 63-64 spells and the sp went to a 63 rogue. You'll see alts from a high end raiding guild screweing around in BoT pick-up grps. An sp drops and they'll take it in a heart beat over someone struggling to get their 63-64 spells. Generally when I'm doing BoT I always do NBG on sp's.


The lower end necros who refuse to mind wrack or tap really irk me though. When I was one of those poorly equiped necros I always yielded to my better in the group and did snaring, tapping, etc so he could focus on damage. Yeah, it sucks and it some what embarassing but I think you'll get more love if you suck it up and do what's best for the group.

[Aryse Andenter]

Druids and Rangers <---- Pallys I can deal with, but these guys are annoying in PvP, and since there aren't any on my team on Sullon, I don't know of any uses for them if they aren't coin fodder.

[Omnius]

I think Recluse is right. I can picture a level 61 Omnius earning a ton of AAs because he can't afford the PoP spells yet and he doesn't want to be the gimp 65 necro Jeb described.

[Recluse]

Really, the xp/gimp route isn't a bad direction to take. Dig this:


The only three essential 63+ spells imo are SoS, ED and Horror. Everything else is nice (in the case of BoT and FS, very nice) but not a must. And the best part is all three spells are relatively easy to obtain. My server (Karana) has a pretty screwy economy but even then both ED and SOS only sell for around 5-7k. Ideally you shouldn't pay more than 10-12k both, less if you're patient.


So here's what you do: Nothing but Everfrost adv's. Horror is only 650 ap's so at 61 it should be fairly easy to obtain. Just keep hitting up Mirguals to you have the points for hit. In the mean time you'll be aquiring junk that drops off of the named. With EF you may even get lucky and get a delightful orb of forgotten magic which is a nice primary and sells for around 8k. Anyway, with the items and the plat you get from the adv's (depending upon how nerfed the loot is atm) you'll aquire enough money to get ED and SoS right around the same time you'll get Horror.


Now, turn off the aa's and power lvl up to 65. Get that first yellow out of the way then sink everything into aa's. Farm BoT, HoH or Potactics heavy till you have around 50 or so aa's. Now, you will get screwed out of sp's as previously stated but you will eventually get one or two which will fill in some of the gaps. Trying picking up some of the open tower raids as well. You have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a rune but it's still a chance. Plus, it'll be good raid experience.


Once you get to around 50 aa's start putting your apps in for a raiding guild. Once you get accepted to one, you're set. SP's shouldn't be a prob. You'll get the rest of your 63-64 spells in no time. The 65 ones will be a little harder. A lot of raiding guilds only turn runes in for clerics, ench's and such. However, there will be a necro or two that probably has a spare copy of your 65 spells laying around that they'd be willing to set up a payment plan for.


Imo this is a much quicker route to take than endless plat farming for spells.

[Jebasiz]

Recluse I wasn't describing the fault of the necro as lack of a spell book. The fault I found with him was; I was mind wracking, group tapping, darknessing, slowing, and mezzing, and had to unmem nightfire, bot, and horror...If he could of done any two of the roles I was filling, I coulda memmed better dots then he had available to him at all. Which would of meant the group would of killed much much faster.

[Kompressor]

heh, I too think its the people that are annoying more than the classes themselves.. afterall, a lot of those peeps have alts of many classes, and it doesnt matter which class they play (be it a class u like or not) they're still annoying.

[Recluse]

Jeb-


Oh, I didn't think you were. Not really sure why I went off on the spell aquiring rant, just something that I felt like saying:)


But I agree with you. There's nothing more more annoying than an under equiped necro that will detract from your dps. I was in this BoT group one time with this 62 necro. Not only would he not group tap but the mofo expected me to twitch the cleric a few times after he got killed. Seriously, I got in a waiting game with him. I just sat there waiting for him to start twitching until I couldn't take the cleric's whinning anymore. It's like dude, I have one dot that does more damage than 3 of yours:)

[AnimocityStromm]

To be honest, other Necromancers tend to piss me off. I HATE people who don't know their class by the time they're 65 and have 100 aa's. Stupid-ass n00b necro's are the reason we look like such a n00b class, when in actuality, we're not at all.

"What's that? You're 65? And I see you have your Lich title... what's that? You don't know what Mindwrack is? You think Petrifying Earth is an Undead only root because that's what Allahkazam's says? You think you're role in XP GROUPS is to twitch the cleric? Oh, you think Insidious Retrogression slows mobs attack? OMG, what's that? You think Cascading Darness is better than Embracing because it does more damage!?!?! DIE NOW PLZ..."

Maybe I'm just real picky because I always played with all my spells as I levelled instead of just using the ones I needed to xp or farm and I know what I can do...but maybe they're all just idiots...probably a bit of both.

[AnimocityStromm]

Now, turn off the aa's and power lvl up to 65. Get that first yellow out of the way then sink everything into aa's. Farm BoT, HoH or Potactics heavy till you have around 50 or so aa's.

If you aren't going to use Blood of Thule to farm aa's, you might as well stay at 64 for the aa's. You get slightly better aaxp from HoH guards and PoS frogs at 64 than at 65. it's 6-7% per frog at 64 compared to 5-6% at 65. I hovered right at that point for a month or so while I aa'd. I'd ding 65 and like, 3% so I could soak a kill and re-ding with a few 90+% rezes for most of my raiding, then just before a long aaxp session, I'd take a fall and aa until the body was about to run out of rez time and rez it, then do it again if I was going to spend a few more hours aaxping. In a 6 hour session, I bet the difference is 50-75%aaxp, which isn't much, but worth it if you ask me.