Lifeburn

[Alliaa]

Why doesn't it crit?

Wizards can crit Manaburn.
Shadow Knights can crit Harmtouch.

I have SCF3 and FOM3 and I have had lifeburn for about 4 months, but I have never seen it crit. Every necro in my guild has said the same to me. I use it once or twice per play session, so its not a matter of frequency, I just do not think it will crit. The description on a few sites says it stacks with spell casting fury also.

Any feedback? Any Screenshots?

[Jebasiz]

It used to crit...but that was removed.

[Silenka Wishbringer]

bummer never new it doent crit, lol shows how much i use iy

[Jebasiz]

Raid buffed our lifeburn is about what either of those classes do with a crit. Atleast for me. Equivalently geared, We get them on our consistency over time. Plus they can't do anything afterward until they mod rod, get paragon'd etc etc. The first thing I do after lifeburning on a raid, is chain tap til full, nearly doubling my damage, assuming the mob ain't dead. A typical conversation when a wizard gets a good MB goes like:


/t wizard, hey..what'd you burn for,
Wizard tells you, 9400ish...
/t wizard, not bad.
Wizard tells you, You?
/t wizard 9700ish..
wizard tells you, F*ck necros
/t wizard well, it woulda been 10k but groupleader don't have tribute hps or group leader aa hps /sigh.
wizard tells you, no...really F*CK necros
/r =) Necros don't bottom feed yo`

[Rikam]

Lol nice jeb) stick it to the dirty wizards). Now3 I can't wait to get it bah back to grinding.

[Xebitikz]

Been playing sk lately to get fabled shit for my necro and i noticed something that must be brought to light...NERF HT>>>>>>! With AA its to good imo and refresh rate is to high. Not saying I don't enjoy a free 7k damage every 45mins but damn thats kinda unbalanced :lol:

[Jebasiz]

Xeb,

HT will be more dmg then lifeburn due to frequency, but consider SK dps compared to necromancers overall.....
































Done yet?

Good, there is NO comparison. A very well equipped SK is probably around 150dps, and that could be high, unless they're time geared with 600+ aa's and parsing on green cons. A similar geared necro is consistently around 250-300. Let them have their little HT, it doesn't begin to compensate on the lack of melee dps they can sustain.

[Xebitikz]

Notice how I said nerf HT not Sk's lol? Yah I did say that because I tthink HT is more powerful than it should be. Could care less about their overall DPS but The single skill of HT is to powerfull imo and needs to be nerfed. :( . Sk's arnt aloud to out damage a wizzy in a "burst" situation imo.

[Jebasiz]

Notice how I said nerf HT not Sk's lol?

How does nerfing HT not Nerf the class as a whole? Asking for another class to be nerfed at all is just in bad taste IMO. It's happened to us many times throughout the years, and I've been pretty angry...when I've had to stop hunting a way I enjoyed, and find another way to kill things cuz some druid bitched. NOTHING good comes from a class or ability nerf. It causes anger, jealousy, resentment, etc etc, and then immature little people want the "nerf stick" to go hit someone else(misery loves company). It's not an ability that "overpowers" the class as a whole, and the fact that they have something decent (it's not great) every 45mins is good for them.

Sk's arnt aloud to out damage a wizzy in a "burst" situation imo.

It's a one shot deal with SK's, wizard dps is MUCH more sustainable.

and back to Lifeburn: It still rocks!

[Rikam]

The max ht is like 7.5k correct? Might be mistaken but believe so, anyway this is still 2k less dmg then a max crit manna burn so the SK cant out burst dmg a wizard. Well guess less he casts the other dd spell at same time but still one shot a wizard still wins I think. Also was thinking about this kind of glad Lifeburn doesnt crit cause then they would give us a max dmg most likly just like manna burn and as Jeb said can get more hp after buffs and gear then manna burn will do crit so thats a much better thing I think.

[Xebitikz]

Yah But your overlooking the reuse time on manaburn. Harm touch's reuse time is shorter and thats just stupid. No i am not jelous of being nerfered or anything dumb like that But I do like to view the game as a Role playing game (See the R and p in MMORPG) And for a SK to have a power like or greater than a wizard is wrong and nothing anyone says will ever change that fact.

[Jebasiz]

Wizards can crit a regular spell refresh 3.5 seconds for 7k with the right focuses, and they can do it often...I still don't see your point.

[Gruzzen]

His point is, that in one specific case under very special circumstances the SK can out damage a Wizard with both casting a one cast spell. And Sk's should lose one of, if not their only, class defining ability because they get to nuke greater then a wizard in one specific special case.

His point comes from ignorance of the way the game works and a basic theory on hour classess balance. All he can see is the big damage from the HT., and is unable to take that into sustained DPS which is what matters.

Xebitikz, HT is not over powered. If it was overpowered SK's would routinely come out as the big damage dealers on raid parses. They don't.


Gruzzen

[Jebasiz]

Ahh Thanks gruzzen....I guess I couldn't see the point, because there wasn't one. :P

[Shadowthorne Darkbane]

No i am not jelous of being nerfered or anything dumb like that But I do like to view the game as a Role playing game

Man this Game ceased to be a Role Playing Game a hell of a long time ago.

if it ever was one to begin with.


Shadowthorne Darkbane
57 Human Defiler of Innoruuk
Sacred Honor
Sol Ro

[NeSikWay]

Well first, I've never played an sk or a wizard over lvl 9, didn't like either class. I didn't like the sk because sk gets a exp pently for that little harm touch they can only use once ever 45 minutes, and the exp to lvl a sk is much more difficult that the exp pently for a pally, to me logic says they should be about the same. But over the years the pally's would complain and the sk's didnt so the sk's would get a little nerf, same thing the druids did to the necros and they did the same thing to the clerics over their heal. So I agree with Jeb, nerfing is not the answer, it never is. nor complaing about a what a class can and cant do compared to another. Now wizards were given crits after they complained that warriors got them, so should they, but they didn't get them until planes of power came out, so there weren't many wizards, (more mages and necros). once wizards got crits, and pets they started crawling out of the wood work. To this day, I bet the ratio of sk to wizard and sk to pally leaves the sk in the lower bracket all of the time. Along with the sk has the Hardest epic in the game, unless you are an ikky and can do greenmist or a crazy de who will do all the faction work.

[Skova]

Last time i checked, HTs refresh timer was 72 mins. did I miss a patch message somewhere that stated a change in that? I guess i havent had any reason yet to use HT with my 14 sk but i will be looking into that.

[Alliaa]

I have to agree with Jeb about HT. Let them have it. What do they have besides HT? I think a SK is just reduced to a wannabe warrior that can snare and create agro.

As for frequency Skova, they can HT more often with AA.

Personally, I am a little gimp with just over 5k (Gimp !!) HP's raid buffed, but I usually lifetap once after a LB (which usually crits), so my damage output for LB is 5k for the LB, 1-2k for the lifetap and 1500 for the recourse so somewhere in the neighborhood of 7500-8500 with just 450 mana used.

My complaint is that you can only do it once every 2.5 hours.

[Xebitikz]

<3

[Jebasiz]

OK fuck listen up and listen well.

ok do you all understand it now?

I understand the fact that your ignorant, and you have NO POINT, just fine...thanks.

SK's have a ONE TIME HT for decent dmg, wizard damage is sustainable and REPEATABLE almost instantly. Your probably going to start on rogue and ranger discs next cuz they can parse HIGHER then wizard sustained dmg for the 30 seconds they're active next.... OMG when the planets align perfectly and the neighbors dog is humping the couch cushion next door....wizards can be out damaged. This isn't new, it's not gonna change....get over it.

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Umbrello]

Might I suggest that all of you relax? If youd like to continue the childish arguments, feel free to...this topic is now flambeau.

[Tomandny]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Apr 14 2004, 04:20 AM
Wizards can crit a regular spell refresh 3.5 seconds for 7k with the right focuses, and they can do it often...
Very true, with proper AAs and Effects Manaburn is WELL, non-efficient once Wizzy Soandso reaches a high enough level of AAs and good gear.
PS Jeb.....What is your HPs fully raid buffed??

[Jebasiz]

OK fucks listen up and listen well because this is the last time im saying it.

Ok, and I started what?
I don't know what I can do to help you.


You can STFU, that'd help me...


Tom, the highest I've seen my hps is 8318.

[Aryse Andenter]

Okay, I'm just going to skip over and head back to the original post, cuz it confused me. I thought wizzies couldn't crit MB anymore? and isn't HT actually a crit, just a guaranteed one? and isn't LB actually a dot? Which means that if it critted at all, it wouldn't be on the initial strike but on the following ticks?

Can someone fill me in?

[Jebasiz]

I've "crit" the recourse aryse, a round or two at 500 dmg vice 250. I haven't crit the initial blast though.

[Fizzleplink]

"unrealistic"

/boggle

Like Iksar are realistic. Yeah, I've seen a few of them around.

In zoos.

No, really. Right next to the undead gorilla exhibit.

Even if you want to bring an ability more in line with what you feel is "realistic," calling for a nerf ("rebalance," "adjustment," "fix"... a nerf, by any other name, still smells as foul) to a core class ability is still a call to nerf the class. I personally LIKE having a sizable amount of mana-free damage on my side. Makes debuffed gods just that much easier.

Of course, I'd like monks to mitigate more than a paper towel, too.

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Fizzleplink]

Tell ya what, you stop being an ass, and pick up a few apostrophes, and stop quoting stuff that makes you look like a retard... and we'll consider not arguing.

Edit: removing big-ass sig

[Fizzleplink]

Doh, and here he agreed with me!

Really, I think you need to switch to decaf.

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Fizzleplink]

Ok guys I guess This cannot be helped.

Yup, moth to a flame.

You are all retarded and if you want to flame lets all flame the hell out of eahc other it iwll be fun i promise you.

OK.

Jeb you are a fucking moron get a clue k?

Liar! This isn't fun. This is like watching paint dry. Be creative!

O yah feel free to quote that and use it annyway you so feel sir.

If he won't, I wil.

Fizzle I dont know where the hell you come into all this but Telling someone that they need to learn aprostophes and stupid bullshit is really when your running out of bad things to say about someone.

I haven't even begun, I'm afraid. You present so many targets, I went for the most obvious and easiest first. I must admit, though, that this one passage was certainly more fun than "you are a ****ing moron."

Honestly? I am soo sorry my typing offended you because yours is just so dman perfect.

Apology accepted.

Yup it really is i comend you sir.

/blush

Would you like a cookie? Chocalate chip or M&M?

I like chocolate chips, thanks!

I owe you an apology, caffeine isn't your problem. Nothing wrong here that quitting the crystal meth won't fix. Oh, and maybe Freshman English.

/em lobs the shuttlecock back over the net.

(Ooooh! Look guys! I said COCK in a post! I can be a potty mouth, too, just like Xebby! Teeheeheeheee.)

Xeb, try to make your reply worth reading, let alone responding to, OK?

[Jebasiz]

Damn fizzle took all the good quotes and got a cookie!... Your always entitled to your opinion Xeb, even if it is wrong.

[Shadowthorne Darkbane]

ROFLMAO Ahhhh you guys slay me.


Why Am i Reminded of a few songs??

We did'nt start the fire.

The roof The roof The roof is on fire

St Elmo's Fire

Ahhhh I love flame wars this is funny stuff.


Shadowthorne Darkbane
57 Human Defiler of Innoruuk
Sacred Honor
Sol Ro

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Jebasiz]

"copnstructive"

WTF?

Jeb you are a fucking moron get a clue k?

That's original....I'd like a clue just handed to me, aquiring one on my own seems like alot of work =(.

[Xavier]

Well personally I can see a few things here.

Ragers, part druid...part melee...therefore have melee aa and disc's

wizards....self explanatory

sk's......basically what Im seeing is that you are saying there is no constructual basis for them to have this ability. Since well, there is no other class(not even a pure class) that has an ability or even one close to it.

Let me explain my opinion on this then. If what i said above correctly states what you were or are thinking about sk's. I would say you have some reading to do. Sk's are breeders of hate and degeneration.

They obtain the ability to manafest thier hatred into a blinding flash of damging energy. I.E harmtouch. The calculation is based off of thier hps but Im not sure what the calculation is.

Also they are a melee hybrid class. Which puts them in line with tanks, paladins and the like. All of which has abilities that are times based.

Because they are a hybrid breed they couldnt have a fast refresh as pure melee tanks. It would totally offset the tanks usefullness on thier abilities to maintain agro and so fourth. And they couldnt have a long duration because of the inadeqet balance they would have for raids.

Therefore there had to be a medium. 45 mins give you worked your ass off and got the aa's to reduce the time made this a viable option for thier positions as hybrids. And inline with the new PoP mobs that can literally be jumped one by one in an hours notice.

Keep in mind as well that before the aa's that give them 45 mins thier refresh was as long as paladins loh. The time alloted to them is the only way possible to balance a class whos design is melee, offtank, raid damage assistance.

I understand your anger for the "flamming" supposedly. But it doesnt change the fact you addresses this to everyone as "you fucks" so in that sense. Go fuck yourself. And learn something about class balance.

[Jebasiz]

Well personally I can see a few things here.

Ragers, part druid...part melee...therefore have melee aa and disc's

wizards....self explanatory

sk's......basically what Im seeing is that you are saying there is no constructual basis for them to have this ability. Since well, there is no other class(not even a pure class) that has an ability or even one close to it.

Let me explain my opinion on this then. If what i said above correctly states what you were or are thinking about sk's. I would say you have some reading to do. Sk's are breeders of hate and degeneration.

They obtain the ability to manafest thier hatred into a blinding flash of damging energy. I.E harmtouch. The calculation is based off of thier hps but Im not sure what the calculation is.

Also they are a melee hybrid class. Which puts them in line with tanks, paladins and the like. All of which has abilities that are times based.

Because they are a hybrid breed they couldnt have a fast refresh as pure melee tanks. It would totally offset the tanks usefullness on thier abilities to maintain agro and so fourth. And they couldnt have a long duration because of the inadeqet balance they would have for raids.

Therefore there had to be a medium. 45 mins give you worked your ass off and got the aa's to reduce the time made this a viable option for thier positions as hybrids. And inline with the new PoP mobs that can literally be jumped one by one in an hours notice.

Keep in mind as well that before the aa's that give them 45 mins thier refresh was as long as paladins loh. The time alloted to them is the only way possible to balance a class whos design is melee, offtank, raid damage assistance.

I understand your anger for the "flamming" supposedly. But it doesnt change the fact you addresses this to everyone as "you fucks" so in that sense. Go fuck yourself. And learn something about class balance.

See xeb, read this over again...that's how to flame/rant, not that bullshit that spews so effortlessly from you little finger tips.

[Xavier]

TY jeb lol :)

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Jebasiz]

Xeb,

You ever forget your gf's birthday...or maybe your mom's (if you never had a girlfriend)...no matter how, or how many times you apologize...it doesn't take back the fact that you forgot about her birthday, and they'll remember that probably as long as they know you, or until they die....whichever comes LAST. Calling us a bunch of fucks, and then amplifying it in a later post by calling us retarded...isn't simply forgotten when you write "I posted in anger, sorry" or "maybe I used the wrong words there" or whatever it is that you used to try to pull your head out of your ass to regain some respectability in your posts. As soon as you hit post, that's how people will remember you...not for what you say after to back out of what you shouldn't of ever said in the first place.

For me atleast, this topic is dead..just like any credability or respect I could have had for you. I can't/won't speak for anyone else, but as far as your opinions/points of view or anything else that you post here from now on, means absolutely nothing to me...and if you ask questions, I hope other people can help you, cuz I sir (I use that term very loosely) will not be replying to them. After over 600posts, and maybe 5 of them in argument (total) you've finally pissed me off with your ignorance...good job, good day, and good-bye.

[Xavier]

GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[Quezquotyl]

Okay no flame just a few questions about the following;

sk's......basically what Im seeing is that you are saying there is no constructual basis for them to have this ability. Since well, there is no other class(not even a pure class) that has an ability or even one close to it.

I believe this is going on about Harmtouch. Since in my own mind Shadow Knights are "Evil" wouldn't that mean there would be a good version of a Knight as well like a Palladin? So I guess Palladin's never possessed the ability to "Lay on Hands". Since I am ignorant person would this mean that another class in the game possesses an ability similar, NOT THE SAME, as the Shadow Knight ability to "Harm Touch"? I thought so anyway. But I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Quez

[Jebasiz]

Ok, one last question...(ya..I lied about it being dead) Am I Mr.Ego or Mr. Thesuck?..maybe both? (father's day is gonna be a bit pricey this year) or do Fizzle and I get to pick one each, cuz if so..I'd like Mr. Ego. /shrug....CLARIFICATION PLEASE!

[Quezquotyl]

Jeb you got my vote for Mr. Ego....=P

Cheers,
Quez

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Fizzleplink]

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[Jebasiz]

Xebikitiz you are now the property of fizzleplink.

[Schaeffer]

Wow, I've ben away for too long, I was drinking myself out of depression Cause Umb was leaving and now he's staying and I read this and remembered how much I missed you Jeb and Fizz, man you guys kill me...

[Xebitikz]

<3.

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Xebitikz@Apr 20 2004, 11:47 AM
The lovely thing about me is ill never go away. Ever. And i enjoy pissing you guys off and this gives me something extraordinarily fun to do at work. I can only begin to wonder how many hours of your life i have wasted and will waste in the future.
That's when the board admin comes around and deletes you account and blocks you from joining again. /em looks around for a board admin... Oh wait, that's me. Most of this is all fun and games but in all seriousness if it is taken to that level, don't be surprised f you can't log in anymore...

[Xebitikz]

BTW jeb you posted on this topic again, liar :(

[Xebitikz]

http://www.flex.net/~zero/bigboy.gif

[Umbrello]

Love the flame form Fizzle, I'm gonna make it a sticky thread. I dont really care what goes on in this forum, unless things really get otu of hand and people start threatening each other's lives. In that case, I guess I will step in, but this forum is for all of those mean nasty people to flame each other, or simply for people to talk jive to somone who pisses them off. I realize there is going to be tension in any forum, especially a forum full of necromancers, so I figure if I cant stop it, at least to move it into a garbage forum such as this. I dont want widespread uncontrolled flaming like over at eqclasses.

Anyways, for those who want to use Fizzle's form...it will now be a sticky in here.