hit points vs. hp regen

[Necrodarkelf]

Hi, I'm a level 56 dark elf necro. When I first created my necro, i was very interested in finding as many hp-regen items as i could find, i have a total of 5 hp/tick regen on my worn items (robe of abrogation, frost-covered cape, ldon aug in shoulder piece). Now I'm wondering if i should start upgrading these items to have more hit points, and not worry so much about the hp regen. I was considering replacing all three of my items that have the regen on them (robe, back, shoulders) for items with more hps, because all the necros are saying that hps = mana.

The reason I'm even considering making a change is because I'm starting to think that at higher levels, maybe hit points are going to help me more than the regen is helping me. (I prefer groups and don't solo very often, if that helps make the decision.)

In your opinions, should i start upgrading my items so I have more overall hitpoints. or should i keep what i have now just because of the regen. In other words, is having more hit points really an upgrade compared to having some extra regen?

Thanks! :D

[Kompressor]

in higher lvls you ' ll need regen more than ever as liches take its toll, but interestingly enough, you need hps more than ever too lol.. go for both types of stats if you can. There are plenty of items which have decent amts of hps, but not a whole heck of a lot of regen items, so stay with what u got, and upgrade other less meaningful items for higher hps.

[Rikam]

(I prefer groups and don't solo very often, if that helps make the decision.)

Well most grps have a shm/druid in them so there is all the regen you need most the time. Personaly I prefer hp>regen since I have a Dr00d buff bia in my pocket. Even when in HoH maybe just dc pet and let him in grp but most the time just use his regen and heals.

But, its all up to you I will be getting some regen items for when I am medding after rezzes and when I want to go farm some trivial stuff but other then that I think hp is better saves me alot soloing when I pull a mob another pops up I have lived with from 5-100 hp I can't even count how many times.

[Jebasiz]

Regen never hurts, but if your looking at your robe vs a RoAE or Ornate robe, I'd make the switch. Only if it's an upgrade of the "massive" variety though, even 2 regen a tick is 20 hps/min which can add up while your group is too lom to pull for a while and you don't have a regen buff.

[Xebitikz]

Well actually there is a few simple concepts i always considered about this debate. 1 is if you can regen your hp faster than you can use it then whats the real benefit in having more if its just overkill? But the other side is that more hp will benefit you by not dieing as fast and being able to lifeburn for more and other various abilitys. So I dont really see a differance either way Just try to do both and keep them blanaced really.

[Mephistofolies]

Hi :)

I am only lvl 44 but i have really been pushing the hp regen items as well, have a zheart, frost cape , abor robe, troll shoulder things (3 regen). At this point i regen hps faster then call of bones takes it away which i find to be totally awesome. IMO hp regen is the most important thing for a necro as hps=mana. I intend on getting all the regen items i can in the future includeing ldon aug's and the regen AA.

I guess to me it doesnt matter so much how many hp's you have , but how fast you regen them that counts when useing the lich line.

Meph

[Kompressor]

mep, as u increase in lvls, yer hps will go up a lil bit, but you ll know more later that you need hps more than ever.. since yer 44, u dont have a lich line that really takes its toll on your overall hps yet, when u hit 49, you ll see one that does (a lil bit) but once you hit mid 50's-65 yer gonna wish you had all the hps you can muster. yes hps=mana, but regen will not help u completely there, its niec to have regen and a nice hp pool. If you have more hps to begin with, its nice to be able to sustain lich, AND any type of hits from mobs that u might have to take.

IE: if yer lvl 60 with 1300 hps, but with a lot of regen, its not gonna help you when a mob hits you for 300+

Granted, regen is very important, but dont forget to get as much hps as u can too coz I dont know anyone who regens 300 hps per tick:)

[Jebasiz]

Another thing to consider is how you hunt. If your a necro that likes to lifetap alot regen isn't as important as it would be for people who solely want to kite (they're into maximum efficiency, and tapping is counter-productive in that instance) If you ldon alot and group alot elsewhere, more often then not you'll have a regen buff. That said, self sufficiency is never a bad thing, I happen to like my regen, and will max it with one more upgrade. Just remember 1 regen is 10hps a min, so even 5 regen items only give you 50hps a min, if your taking 64 dmg per tic from SoS and then getting tripled for 1200, regen isn't really gonna help you, unless you can fd and click off sos before you die.....

[Pixiknig]

Hiyas all.

I have and still going for both. In my veiw a balance of both is a good idea seeing one will allow to regen faster, very handy when you have Lich up and the other gives you more hit points esp good come high end which allows you to Lich longer.

I know when raiding and grping you will prob have at least a cleric which will slap on a Temp to help and shamans with their uber Hp increasing spells. But there will be times when out soloing when yuo will benifit from having the good balance on regen/hp ratio.

But as stated it down to how you play. Me I am still soloing alot so have to rely on as much regen and HP as poss which I can build up myself and have noticed in grps with all the work I have done in this area and just with one shaman regen spell up my regen is big enough to perm Lich and be full mana, which helps when cleric is crying LOM.

So go for both you will reap the rewards as you close on the 60 to 65 range m8 and even lower its a butt saver.

Rangorn 55 th Iksar Necro :blink:

[Rikam]

Personaly I think regen is nice and all but, it sounds like a wizard with fresh kei just wasting manna. I never have had a problem where I went oom and so could tap/SK hea;th back. Most of the regen items kill your other stats less they are augs or ment to be a nice regen item. So I prefer going some massive hp 2672 atm unbuffed. Can't possibly explain enough how awesome it is when I am pulling in HoH get a door pop he hits me a couple times so I have 2% hp but I am alive and casting SK for my regen. Basicly I think necro have all the tools they need less you are just lazy regen isnt a problem. Necro is about managing your tools and using them to best of their ability Sk is just another nice dot you can do dmg with while soloing.

[drewz21]

Well, I haven't posted in a while, RL been busy, but I've always loved HP regen.

I have tried to walk that fine line of HP's, HP Regen, Mana Pool, and Mana Regen. You can look at my Magelo to see how I walk that line. I can keep Demi-Lich running and take very little damage. I solo a lot but also group/raid with my guild. If soloing, I just lifetap DD or DOT and get myself up about every 3rd or 4th mob. I never leave Demi-Lich form and don't run out of mana.

On Griegs raids, I can DOT Greig and then twitch the clerics as needed. I've been on 8 Greig's raids now and always get asked to come back. Looking forward to hitting the 60's soon.

Good hunting.
Jos.

[Schaeffer]

Useful Focus Effects > HP & Mana > Regen & FT > Int & Sta That's how your priorities should be as far as gear. The INT and STA and the regen and FT are nice but not necessary and will often come without you trying that hard to get them.

[Necrodarkelf]

hi everyone thanks for all of your responses. after giving this issue much thought, i've decided that a balanced approach to regen/hps is important. i have decided to continue to wear my +2 regen robe, until i get my ldon robe from mistmoore with a +5 regen aug from north ro. i do not plan to wear my other regen items anymore, i have upgraded those to items that have more hps on them.

after i am done getting my runspeed aa's, i will work on getting regen aa's. i also plan to probably save my plat to buy a z-heart someday, i feel that +5 regen items are great, because something that someone said in one of the reply posts struck me as being true - with regen items, often other potential stats on the item slot are sacrificed.

i am planning to sell the frost-covered cape for some cash so i can perhaps buy some better gear or spells. the main reason for my decision is that i am finding myself most often grouped with a shaman, and he always gives me replenishment. when i do solo, which is fairly rare, i miss my regen a little bit between fights, but not enough to want it back, because as soon as i start a new fight i just be sure to cast vexing mordinia and get back all the hps i lost while liching to med up, plus i always make sure to have rune up in case i get hit. also when i lich i never allow myself to go below 50% as a rule, so i feel safe enough not starting at full health, and if it looks like the mob is too resistant to my snare or root i play it safe and fd and then try again.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

if it looks like the mob is too resistant to my snare or root i play it safe and fd and then try again.

Wisdom I wish I could follow more closely... I am always of the mind set... if snare didn't set that means I must go toe to toe with this baddy... not the best strategy when viewing it in hindsight.

[Velkyn]

I solo alot because the experience is much better, although I would prefer the company of others. Getting HP regen buffs is normal no problem at all in a group. At level 52 I have chosen not to go for HP regen items and have focused rather on mana regen items. My personal view on this is that I can tap / bond of death to regain HP's lost through lich. My ability to kill things more quickly is really a function of mana recovery speed and not HP regen. Currently my items total FT5, this stacks with both lich and KEI when I have it. Normally I have manaskin on as well which is +1 per tick. I am already saving for my next FT1 item which will bring it to FT6. My equipment set is such that I am not willing to give up my Robe of Misery (Focus Burning Affliction III) for an HP regen robe. When you combine the mana regen items with the mana preservation III focus item I have the total effect is very very noticable in terms of down time and the number of mobs I can kill before I have to med.