Dire Charm

[Unstabl13]

I have wondered what the more experienced Necros think about this AA . Should it be gotten ? I had planned my AA progression to this , and was gonna get ASAP , but I would like to here some advice . Im currently lvl 51 with 8 AAs . I plan on probably getting all the needed AAs at 51 < got me a honey hole > then grinding to 59 and purchasing DC . It looks to me that DC at 59 will help get the other needed AAs . Please rant in on your ideas and thoughts and advice .


Panthaz
51 Necro

Cordinos Prime
61 High Priest

<Xegony>

[Ahura Mazda]

This isn't a must have. This is a nice AA for farming and that is about it. The level cap doesn't give you much room to use this for exp reason except in rare situations; you can DC the small sentients in HoH and use as pets for kiting in the CY or anywhere you can get him to.

I use it when im in Veksar sometimes or Howling Stones again both in farming situations. Only time I use it to get exp is in HoH and even then it isn't always the best idea to use one and they aren't always up near ZI when you first get there.

IMO get this after you have gotten more of the vital necro AA's(ie. regen/pet discipline/mend companion/pet FD/lifeburn if ur in a raiding guild/ pet susupend--not in any particular order just to name a couple).

You should get it but not right away.

[Tumi]

DC was my first AA and I used it in VEKs constantly when my pet was LoZ. It was a great pet, the only draw back being that you could only charm the entrance mobs, which ment that you could no longer invis, run to a camp and be good to go...you have to fight your way to any of the camps. Many times I would enter the zone, be the only one there, and by the time I got half way, people had already run past me to the church, shop, etc. Then, as of a few patchs back, you can no longer shrink or cast augmentation of death on the DC pet. This REALLY makes them less desireable and more trouble than they are worth....since the nerf, I no longer use DC, switched back to regular exp and did the grind to 65 and got CoB.

Just as a side note, you will find AA much easier to aquire in the mid 60s. You are having to work way to hard, IMO, to accumulate AA while in the low 50s. At level 51, you can get regular exp faster than you can AA. They become about even at 55, and beyond that AA gets easier. At about 63, you can find places that you can farm for plat and get good AA exp at the sametime. If I were you, I'd switch back to reg exp and stay there for at least 10 more levels......

Tumi

[GnekroeGnomicon]

At level 51, you can get regular exp faster than you can AA

How is this true? Since AA exp is equivalent to lvl 51 experience or am I mssing something.

My impression was that the only advantage of gaining levels vs. aaexp is that as you level up higher it is easier to get AAexp as you are killing higher level mobs which in turn yield more experience than what could be attained at a lower level.

[Pixiknig]

Hiyas all.

Well Iam not sure if that is true cause I did 2 AAs on stormwave in Dulak. Being a Iksar the AA xp is faster than level xp seeing theres no xp hit, thus no xp races would seem about the same to level or AA.

I would highly stress Run3 and if you can take being 51 for a bit then Regen 3. Run3 will make PoN kiting soo much easier lol no sow potion runing out at the worst time and it works under ground.

For me at 56 AAing in PoN off the maobs around the water fall area is 4% per kill which in turn makes 1 AA every 25-26 mobs. And Iam sticking with AAs now till I nail run3 and my last regen AA.

Yes AAing at 60+ might seems faster but thats because you can drop mobs faster with the better dots and LoZ pet which just makes my mnk pet damage pail :blink: .

At the end of the day as people have told me its want YOU want to do in AAs. I wish now I had stuck it out on Stormwave seeing it was realy easy kills which ment realy fast xp. And now i would be 56 with 6AAs and prob working on a few to get the mana regen AA done and not still working on Run 3.

Rangorn 56 thIksar Necromancer on VS :blink:

P.S. Kinda off htread and more to answer the person above me

[Tumi]

Gnekroe, I am sorry, you may be right.....I was thinking that aa was lvl 55 exp, but it may be 51. Regardless, I still stick to the claim that as you level up, aa becomes much easier to obtain, so why go through the 'grind' twice ? You can kill mobs in the mid to high 60s that will net you 4 to 6% per kill in aa exp, so why expend the time it takes to accumulate aa when it's the equivalent to reg exp....IMHO.

Tumi

[Fizzleplink]

I've heard that from 51-54, one AA is roughly equal to doing level 51 again. 55+, one AA is roughly equal to level 55.

Of course, I've also heard that Sony is increasing their in-game GM staff.

[Unstabl13]

Greets ,

Im thankful for the advice . I would like to hear what Jeb thinks also .

Currently I am living in Dulak . I am lvl 51 , with 99 percent into the XP bar . I have accumlated 10 AAs in really no time at all . I get 1 percent per kill in AA XP on dark blue mobs . I am making 2k in about 4 hours of killing . I can get a AA point every 4 hours of playing . I have Run3 , regen3 , and am saving up 12 to dump into SCM when I hit 55 . From your advice given here , I think I will get those 12 more AAs and then get to lvl 55 . SCM3 will be filled out the second I hit 55 . From then I dont know . Maybe I will grind on to 60 or so and see if it is all its cracked up to be .


Thanks again

Panthaz
51 Necro
Cordinos Prime
62 High Priest

Obsidian Ryders < Xegony >

[Vodroc]

I would have to say at low levels DC pet probally wouldn't do you alot of good because the mobs you can DC in normal zones aren't the greatest. However at 55 in PoV you can dire charm and get a pet that hits for 120ish, which even the 65 warrior pet tops at 80 so it hits quite a bit harder and with alot more HP's and tanking ability. There are several sites out there with DC lists you can look up but it does make soloing any zone that has them available much easier and quicker.

[voydent]

Wow, i have never seen a forum this helpful (lol). usually when you go to necro.eqclasses.com and post ANYTHING on DC, people will start calling you stupid and start derailing the topic by the 4th or 5th post, and that will be it.

unstab13, 1%AA exp per kill is actually the same as what you can get in Veksar (i ding 1 AA every 3-4 hours there), plus of course, if you're camping shops, you'll get a 20-25k item within that same period (rarely go beyond 4 hours for me to get the belt to drop). if this is what you want, then get DC.

Otherwise, from hearing all the discussion in the other forum, this seems to be the optimal way:

1. get run3, regen3
2. EXP TO 65 (dont stop!)
3. once you get 65, grind out your AAs

but it's entirely up to you if you want to get DC much quicker. note that you can get 5-6% AA exp per kill easy in HOH at 65 (hell, 14% per kill at Pofire).

to me, i go with Lifeburn first (really glad i went for it, the first time i used LB after i got it, i actually saved my group from a wipe). i'd go with DC after i get about 100+ other AAs done.

Voydent

[Jebasiz]

A typical dc mob on a level 64 highborn commander in veksar has about 20dps, which is roughly pyrocuor. It misses alot and almost never hits for full dmg, due to level disparity of the charmed mob vs the mob your fighting. CoB has roughly 70dps with substantial aa's and minion of eternity on the same level 64 mob, it also can't be dispelled, you can fd with him, and suspend him for easy travel. He also needed less heals. Get dc if you want to...personally I think it's a complete waste with the Gates AA's giving you the opportunity to make your summoned pet so much better. The summoned pet you can also use in every single zone. Not just veksar and pov.

[Unstabl13]

Very much appreciate the info and advice gang . Like was stated before , I would have gotten an ass chewing from the guys over on the other board . My mind is made up . Im going straight to 65 . Although , at this time , I have 18 AAs and am 52 ... but better for the run to 65 .

[Menil]

I got it just to get my Lich title, have never, ever used it.

[Doomfir]

Originally posted by Vodroc@Jun 1 2004, 09:04 PM
I would have to say at low levels DC pet probally wouldn't do you alot of good because the mobs you can DC in normal zones aren't the greatest. However at 55 in PoV you can dire charm and get a pet that hits for 120ish, which even the 65 warrior pet tops at 80 so it hits quite a bit harder and with alot more HP's and tanking ability. There are several sites out there with DC lists you can look up but it does make soloing any zone that has them available much easier and quicker.
I use DC allot, but some of this isnt quite true. For one thing, your DC pet is a major agro getter where as your normal pet has zero inherrent agro. If you parked your DC pet somewhere for example.. got to where you were going and then told your pet to follow (and he passed allot of mobs), you would quickly find yourself in the middle of a train. Your reg pet can traverse the entire zone and do nothing. Where this is an issue is when pathing gets screwy and your pet manages to drag mobs onto himself.

The second part is in a zone or area of casters who dispell. If you didnt have issue enough with the mob trying to whack on you, if he dispells the DC off your pet, you now have both a very hasted ex-dc pet on your butt, but the mob you were attacking also on you. I hence, prefer to use CoB in many places in veksar even though the DC pet does a significant amount of more dmg.

I can see his use mainly for someone who has <cob and wants to stay this side of shops to hunt and not in the theater.

[Jebasiz]

I hence, prefer to use CoB in many places in veksar even though the DC pet does a significant amount of more dmg.

Parses indicate differently.

[Doomfir]

I dunno Jeb, I use both and DC kicks CoBs butt for dmg. I don't know who parsed it for you but DC hits just as often as COB does even on Highborn's and yet hits for 125+ (146 in HOH) and not 80. (The trick is getting a DC pet that far in to use on highborns in veksar). I have yet to see any appreciable difference in dmg because of the DC pets level either. From my own early parses he was doing 40% or more in dmg. This is changing somewhat as I have gotten to flurry 3 and crits 3, but COB is still lagging pretty far behind. Sometimes the DC pet would do over 1000 dmg to a mob in one tick as compared to 550 or so the COB pet does.

BUT as I say... he is not without his problems. I prefer not to use a DC pet in the theater, or anyplace really afterward because 1) I cant FD without loosing him, and 2) HE can't FD.. so if I do get into trouble he is going to die, or I am going to loose him (either way), 3) he can get his charm debuffed off which is even worse because you arent expecting it, and 4) with dmg mitigation we now get on our stock pets, sometimes it isnt the dmg that your pet dishes out that matters, but how little dmg he takes. With a DC pet you do not get the inherent dmg mitigation that your stock pet has these days. He will be sustaining more dmg than your stock pet does in the same situations. (Focused COB used for comparison) This is strickly in comparison to him tanking and not kiting. If kiting, as in HOH, the DC pet is far superior to our own pets.

[Rikam]

Don't forget CoB has a hella nice DS plus he procs a tap. He killed a 55 SK 3 times in a row in arena lol Sk was bound there so put on gear and started back into fighting.