Feign Death

[Praxxiss]

I am curious to know if they changed feign death? I succeed only 25% of the time and never in LDoN. What do I need to be successful?

Thanks
Praxxiss
Tarew Marr

[ptolomey]

I've used fd with much success in LDON as well as all other zones I have hunted, though it seems to fail more often in some zones. Maybe you need to train your abjuration?

Ptolomey Exmortum
Level 57 necromancer of Arcane Sanctum
Kane Bayle server

[NeSikWay]

I have used FD in LDON successfull and saved my life a couple of times. Even was able to finish the adventure because of FD because the rest of the group was wiped. But I have noticed, that FD isn't working as well as it once used to, this may because of the new FD spell from LoY. I've not done thsoe quests yet.

[Schaeffer]

It may be possible that they decrease the effectiveness of FD post 52 in order to persuade necros to quest for the Comatose spell, but it's still efective enough for me...

[Mortreus]

If your having trouble with FD not working it could be that your not using it right.. i have a 30th lvl monk on saryrn who has about 6 inches of dust on him but it took a while to get the swing of using fd in battle. I found that it works bets after a mob would hit me and id fd (i dont know if the mob figured it got a killing blow or not) wer as if id fd b4 or after a blow was landed id be on the ground still getting the crap kicked outa me.
I know that as a necro we have a casting time (so no insta FD) timing is a little differnt i know it works well in pulling b4 combat is engaged, also note that when in a fight with a mob thats a caster if u fd while the mob is casting you still have a chance of being hit by spell and will still have agro of mob

Mortreus
52nd circle Heritic
Saryrn

[Doomfir]

The spell Feign death has a much higher failure rate than either comatose or Death Peace. Rather than go into an explanation about FD, I have linked this excellent article on casters realm about it. Enjoy.

http://eq.crgaming.com/editorials/feign_death.asp

[Emperson]

yah ive had no problems with FD but im not sure why you would be having problems....

[Luvinman]

A common problem that i have seen is that some necros don't work on thier abjuration (buffing) that much. If a necro just takes the time to cast all the self buffs for the level they are at...on themselves before they start killing, then abjuration will rise like the other skills and that necro will probably live a little longer than the one that doesn't buff themselves.

So work on your abjuration! I alway keep spirit armor on my pet as well, when there is no other people around to buff him...this helps build abjuration as well.
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[Doomfir]

Guys, skill on abjuration and channeling does nothing but insure that you don't fizzle and that you can cast when getting beat up on. It does not affect the result of the spell to work which is a server check. You can FD, but in actuality you just "fall down" and will still get beat up.

What he is talking about is the server check to see if you have just fallen down or whether you have actually FD. FD the spell has a high failure rate for a server check. Comatose, and Death Peace are much lower in failures.

[Uumuuanu]

Uh yeah FD works sometimes, others it doesnt.

Example,

Trip to Vexsar worked, saved my butt (layed on the floor to 20 min while everyone got back to me).

Trip into LDoN MMC (on hard) Worked, saved mybutt, last one standing (or laying).

Trip to retrieve corpse from Lguk, failed, stupid thing, died since I was unbuffed and didnt have pet handy.

[NeSikWay]

Guys, skill on abjuration and channeling does nothing but insure that you don't fizzle

No way this is true.......if you don't have the skill for that spell you WILL fizzle more. So Skilling up will help the fizzle. what it won't help is if you successed in FD spell, doesn't mean the mob will believe you are dead. I've had good and bad success with the FD spell, and the upgrades will lower the amount of times the mob won't believe you are dead.


I'm not sure on what the sucess rate is, I was told 15% to 10% to 5% with each spell upgrade. But some of the upgrades you will only be FD for a certain length of time. Since I don't have and haven't worked with the other spells I dont have all the answers. I do believe there may be a skill check involved, but have no way of confirming that fact, other can say it doesn't but once again, I don't know if they can confirm it. Same with my percentage I have, not sure they really tell you any where they are only guesses and estimates.

I do know it seems like sony sometimes nerfs spell before another release so that players are more willing to go get certain spell upgrades.

[Doomfir]

NeSikway, You bad at reading posts? Re-read what I said. I said that having a high skill at abjuration and channeling only insure that you dont fizzle when you cast and that you can cast while you get whopped on by a mob.. they are NOT the success / failure the guy who posted this was talking about.. He was talking about the server check that is a random number generator based on a weighted algorythim to determine if he really Feigned death or just fell down. FD the spell has a high weight for failure.. Comatose and death peace have a lower weight factor.

Also, there is no timer on FD, comatose, death peace, before it doesnt work anymore. You can FD till the cows come home if you want and they still wont mess with you. You just need to make sure that they really think you are dead to begin with by conning a mob while you are still FD to see if you have turned indifferent. If you are, then the server check was a success and you can just lie there as long as you want.

Enough said... gee.. Also get a few levels before you comment on spells you don't even use yet.

[sintalon]

As a note to you Doom when you are FD they have always said Indiff to me. If i stand up sometimes i am still on the hate list so i need to re FD. Same applies to my monk and typically is more prevalent on the higher end, 55+ mobs. They are just fooled to a lesser degree and basically take a few times to remove the aggro on hate list. In many cases, especially as puller, you find that it is sometimes better to just sit there and let the group tag and kill the add while you FD to keep it out of Their Aggro range.

If a mob is static, by this i mean it has a place that it ALWAYS sits, then once it reaches its home you can 99% of the time safely get up. If it is a walking mob across the zone you risk the chance of the mob coming after you and bringing friends. I agree with most of your post but i have never seen an instance when i was not FD that anything conned other then INDIFFERENT.

[NeSikWay]

Doomfir, you are correct I did miss read your post, I'm sorry about that. and I believe in my post I did state I wasn't using them yet, so was not the best end source of information. but I do believe I will comment on stuff I do and do not use yet, I might even learn something if you learn how to teach better.

[Doomfir]

Sint, You havent used FD (the spell in a long time), go back and try it. It is a bunch of crap for a spell. You are thinking of FD at the ability and not the spell. Please look back over my post on this. I am differentiating the diff spells. I used them just this morning to check on success failure rates. FD the spell has close to a 20% failure rate. Comatose and Death peace are much lower. What spell did you use to check this??

Please read the post on Casters realm that I posted concerning this as well. I think it explains it quite well about the difference of falling down after casting and actually feigning death.

[Schaeffer]

Doomfir is right about abjuration and channelling only helping with fizzles and interruptins, not success rate as far as "You have fallen to the ground"

Monk FD is a skill all on it's own and success rate is based on a skill check.

The difference between the different FD spells a necro has is as follows.

Level 16 Feign Death:
20% chance of failure
16 second recast

Level 52 Comatose:
10% chance of failure
8 second recast

level 60 Death Peace:
5% chance of failure
4 second recast

What else can cause FD to "not work"? If you FD while a caster is in the middle of a spell and it lands after you FD, the caster will know the spell hit, and therefore, sees through you're FD. While FD, you can still be hit by AE's. In LDoN there are lots of AE traps and unlike MoB's they are indiscriminent to someone who is FD. If you are hit by an AE while FD you are injured and dead things can't e injured and therefore your trickery is unearthed...

[Doomfir]

Thanks for the comparison shaeffer. I have not known the exact numbers, but did some experiments on my own and it comes very close to what you posted. Thanks for the info.

[KarmaKeeper]

aye thanks schaffer for the heads up =) now i just gotta finish that dang loy quest for comatose!

[Emperson]

ah thanks for info man