Long rant - read at own risk

[Cthulha]

Okay, first of all, I want to clearly state that I appreciate all the help I've gotten off of this board. I don't want anyone to think that I'm ungrateful or whiny, I'm neither. However, I do want to speak my mind about one tiny little thing. Namely, some of the advice on hunting areas and such.

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I've tried several of the places that were suggested on this board, and most of them have been great. HOWEVER, some of them were deathtraps that I never saw coming. I'm not going to cite any specific posts, I'm going to use a fictitious example. Okay, someone posts that a great place to hunt at level 15 is Everquest City (lol), fighting undead divorce lawyers. So, I take my level 15 necro and pick a fight with one of these undead, using the suggested methods to try and kill them. Guess what? I get killed. What I want to know is, what kind of equipment are you people using?? I can't say that I'm totally untwinked, I do have some things that were given to me by my high level friends. Nothing particularly outstanding. But damn! Some of these mobs that people claim to be killing (easily) are tearing through me like butter. It's very frustrating, hence the reason for my rant. I don't mind dying now and then, but when I die every single time I try some of these suggestions, it just gets old. Is anyone else having this problem, or am I just hopeless?? :wacko:

Okay, I said I wouldn't use any specific examples, but I couldn't resist.. Whoever suggested soloing in OT at level 24 MUST be smoking crack.. I went there at 29 and EVERYTHING conned red to me, ready to attack. Who the hell is able to solo there at 24??????????? :blink:

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Now that I got it out of my system.. Does anyone know of a good place to hunt at level 29? <ducks>

[Emzeon]

Really I don't know how were supposed to help with that 15 thing but... in Overthere you have to near the Outpost or in the newbie zone. At 24 though I would recommend probably Marus Seru (in a group), Netherbian Lair (group) and if you must LOIO soloing by the pillars by the Sarnak Fort (near FM zone).

[Vampyre]

At level 29 you can fear kite the Regular Zelniaks in Dawnshroud peaks and it is great exp. WATCH OUT for the wolves!!! I can't stress this enough. The wolves are bad arse and will tear you and you're pet to shreads. The good thing is that there aren't to many of them so as long as you are careful and look around you will be ok. My suggestion is to set up camp on the wall over by the mushroom house. Use a darkness spell to snare and pull back to camp. DoT it (your choice)on the way back with only one DoT (don't build to much aggro). Sick pet on it. Fear it. DoT it with 2 more DoT's (your choice). Sit, med, get EXP!!! Unless you are KOS to the Sambata tribals or get trained by someone at the mushroom house...you will not get adds because the Zelniaks are not social and will not help each other.

Wait until you get you 34 pet to do the Large Zelniaks, Wolves, and Tribals! Use the same technique and you will be fine.

[Death's Servent]

I partnered with a 29 necro in Lookout Room in High Keep at 24. You gotta remember that some poeple twink their alts out the rear and some don't. I myself will pass gear down if I get an upgrade to that item or just feel like handing it down.

If you can get a grp, 4th floor of Runnyeye should con DB and LB with a few greens. Adds will occur often but around the bank, you shouldn't have to worry about adds that much.

[Vavra]

/em slowly raises her hand.

hehe I was soloing in OT at 25.. here is what I did.. after you pop in by the book, turn around with back faceing the book. everything to your left and straight out to the rocks you should be able to solo reguardless of gear.. stay close to the outpost NEVER go to the right side where the golems are cause you will die. be carefull you can get adds.. pull with snare and try to get it either closer to the water or to the outpost then fear it you will less likely get adds...

[Lyndark]

Enemies close to PoK book/Outpost are low level. I soloed there at 20.

Now I'm 41 and I've got 244 INT so ya, I'm twinked.

[NeSikWay]

OT is a progressive zone, which means in certain areas are certain lvl of creatures. near the outpost you can start there at lvl 19 to 20, but Pauldrens Caverns is a better place to go. You can also go to Echo Caverns, but there are two parts to that, you want to go in the side behind the hidden walls, (as if you were going to the evil vendors area.) IN OT by the out post are lower lvl mobs, as you go toward skyfire the mobs get higher lvls. Many zones are like this in Kunak. I like Mera Seru too, very nice place to hunt from 24 to 30, then I usually go to OT.

[deathdodger]

yes cthulla i had some problems with what u are haveing to im gonna use a example someone posted 21 u can solo spirocs in timous deep and he said this is were u gte great at fear kiteing so im like wow this sounds great must be a good day for me i log on to EQ i go to TD and its looking great so far the mobs are cool nicely spreaded out they con red to me so im like bah must be just that one or there red low lvl mobs a necro can handle i pull one it pumbles me to the ground im there trying to cast FD but yea i know what u meen

[Schaeffer]

Spirocs are more like 51, probably a typo, or you miss read it...

At 21 should try and milk paludal for another level or so and then around 24 hit up the mutants in echo

[Mixylplix]

Personally 24 adn a bit over I went over to Warsliks Woods instead. Get a partner and kill giants. Better loot. Watch for Gobbie Shaman adds when moving in and out of the area as tehya re hard to see in the woods.

WARNINGINIGNIGNINGING...

In WW there is a long river that heads to the Ocean. If you follow this and turn left at teh ocean there is a "in teh wall" mob trap. My group of three foudn 9 hiding mobs in that wall. My 28 SK was the only one left standing at the end and he was at 1% health. The mobs get stuck in the wall and just stack up and you will not see them till they agro. Kind of similar to the Dancing Skelies in Steamfront, but these are higher level and hidden from view. We were fighting the roaming giants and the mobs at the outpost near the water. Not a bad place, just avoid the one red mob.

[Xavier]

25-30 FM giant fort fear kiting. Pulls are easy if you pull at an angle and never pull when the 3rd mob is at the forts gate. Pull at an angle to pull away from the others agro range.

30-35 I went to DL but grouped until 35 then broke off for fear kiting solo. Suggest twinkage for this. Or you can do the undead basement in kaesora if you have your slow. Risky! but alot of fun and doable. Plus its a dungeon so its an extra 15% to exp.

35-40 I soloed fear kite in DL. I also hit the basement in Guk/deadside.

40-45 Was also done in DL for me. fear kiting

45-49 or 50 I did the skeletal camp in dl straight out from the spires. Use f8 to target and darkness to pull with. They come solo for as long as you are not in agro range of the ones walking in front of the door.

50-53 I did bards and nobles in HK. Easy split after 51 but at 50 it can be a bit difficult. at 51 I did 100% aa and made 6 aa in 2 days at 5 hours play a piece. I ran that until I had run3 regen 3 and inante intel 5.

Cant remember what I did at 53-55 but at 55 im doing FU in veksar. Thats first undead which is at the top of the first ramp left hand side past the goblins. Its sounds great when calling camp checks too..../ooc camp check....../ooc FU LOL I catch crap for this all the time. There are 5 wells there. You can attack them in thier wells. No agro. YOU WILL NEED shackle of spirit and shadowbond to slow the mob and heal your pet. And always shadowbond your pet before sending it to attack a crusader since they harmtouch.

I had problems with the dieing thing too when reading stuff here like the neriak suggestion. But Ive always found you just have to play with it until you get the same rythm as everyone else. Even at the cost of alot of deaths. If you play on an RP server you can help correct the massive losses of money and exp with rezzing yourself. What you do is RP ee's for a week.

RP for a week.....

Sit in PoK and wait for someone that needs a port. Say ill port you and make them come to you. Then take thier cash and suicide them. If they are dumb enough to click yes without checking they deserve to freaking die! You get cash and ee's out of it and you can sell the ee's for 450 give or take your server. They dont like it then f%^&* um you are on a RP server and you are a necro.

[sintalon]

I havent ever really had alot of problems with deaths or areas i read on boards. I was never really twinked out so to speak until my 50's and then i guess it isnt twinking. Sintalon wasnt my first character he was my 4th i believe. Any case my level progression pretty much went like this:

1 - 12ish - Steamfont
13 - 26 - Paludual Caverns
27 - 30 - Meras Seru
31 - 33 - Dawnshroud Peaks
34 - 40 - Overthere
40 - 53 - A combination of zones. I Hit Dreadlands for a bit and got bored but i did manage to get a level out of it. There is a camp of undead in Burning Woods, the loc of which i dont have on me atm but it is East if i remember from the Giant fort, that i hit for many levels. It is a 6 spawn camp that will actually take you straight to 55 with no walkers but you may die of boredom. At this time i also did the SW end of BW near the Ixiablat spawn area for cleric epic. good fear or Slow killing there also. BW is also a great place to bone up on your charm killing. I dabbled a bit in ME, the Grey, and PoD but it wasnt that effective.

53 - 60 - I did PoD rats and goos more towards 58ish i did FCY. In ME i also did the Vamp bats near coterie outpost as well as hate kiting and fearing Gorangas. Goranga hunters are 55+ and of course either immune or hugely resistant. I also hit the Grey periodically to practice Charm killing with the snakes(shissar revenants) or just straight pet tanking. Howling stones is also another good place to practice Root rotting or invising/leveing up and dropping down the pit to get some extra mobs. Not the best xp but still fun.

60 - 61 - i just kinda meandered and picked up XP.

62 - 65 - i was everywhere i could be really. I did alot of work in sebilis of course, PoV and HoH did me very nicely on solo or duo xp although the snares were not real reliable until about 64ish. Np at 65. I hit alot of the Tier 1 planes also just to see where i could go. PoN Undead isnt that bad at 64 with Touch of Death (1k pet heal), PoJ is a good place to practice Root rotting, PoJ back halls are great for AA xp or splitting the High guardians down near the basement is good FD split practice, expect a death or two on that one if you do try. Akheva ruins and Acrylia caverns are nice places to explore and not bad AA xp either.

That may not have been the best level progression but i spend alot of time all over. Im not the type to hit one area and farm it for a long time. I like variety.


Anycase, and i will be more then happy to give examples if you need any, I find that alot of necros arent aware of the real value of their spells or in some cases know what they do. Not saying that you do not just making a statement. Some of the best writeups i have seen included specific camps in zones with a specific lineup of spells. That is always very helpful. We are an extremely efficient class and mana efficiency and common sense should go hand in hand. I have run across necros who didnt know what Screaming Terror or Shackle of Spirits was.

when getting an idea to go to a new place i recommend doing your research. boards are boards but here is how i do things. I needed to go to AC(acrylia Caverns) to farm Acrylia for my Ranger alt to continue his Fletching post 200. I pulled up a map to the zone, i read the mobs that where there, i looked at the levels and who was a caster or what not, i looked at specific camps and how bad the Phs/Nameds where. I read the posts from players to see what trouble or good fortune they had. I made sure i had that map file in my MAPS Dir. I think you get the idea. AC was a little harder since they had revamped the area but i pieced enough together.

One final point that alot of lower level players overlook is getting buffed. In this day and age buffs are pretty easy to come by. Sure it may cost a little cash but it does make life a bit easier. Anyway sorry for the length ill check back later to see if this was any help or not or if you want further details on zones i have camped. Good luck to ya.

[Cthulha]

Well I do appreciate all the suggestions.. sorry if the OP seemed harsh.. I guess I'm just having a little trouble playing my necro.. I read about things that other people say are easy, then I try it, and it's really tough for me.

For example.. I attempted fear kiting in DSP. Didn't like it at all. Wolves and lightcrawlers were rampant.. and when I did manage to bring down a yellow zelniak, I only got a butthair of xp.. and tore thru 90% of my mana. So after killing several other mobs I just gave up.. the xp was just not worth it to me. I was so disappointed.. that just doesn't seem right.. I literally got about 1/4 of a blue bubble of xp for a yellow.. does that sound right to anyone else?? But, I digress.

Next I headed to OT and it wasn't so bad this time, but still a lot more difficult that I expected. This is only my 2nd character in EQ, ever.. my other is a 25 shammy but I like playing the necro better. I'll keep trying different places, and will keep looking for suggestions from other necros.

Thanks again!

[Doomfir]

At 15 u need to be in Paludal Caverns. Stop listening to the other guys.. OT sux at your level if you go to the newbie area there (by Warsliks Woods). Go to PC and get AWESOME exp at the recondite bandit camps. When you get 26, then head to Timmorous deep and hunt spirocs. You SHOULD do what you can to get a Staff of the Dreaded gaze though so you can manaless fear when you are able too.

Both PC and TD have exp bonuses on them that are not on the other zones mentioned. Trust me.. I went from 1 to level 52 in 7 play days.

[Cthulha]

I'm 30 now, and I did level in PC (20-24 I believe). After that I went to the needlite cave and got 25-29 (took forever tho cuz man, that cave is camped like a mofo), then got PL'd in DSP for the last level. I will try TD, never been there.. I did read somewhere that I could solo Spectres now.. is that true? If so where are they located? And where would one get a Staff of the Dreaded Gaze? Sounds like it's out of my price range (I have about 500pp to my name) but who knows..

[Quezquotyl]

Yeh, except the Spirocs are going to whoop your ass. Go there at 40. Until then, go to Stonebrunt and kill anything that cons blue white or yellow.

[Xavier]

Staff of the dreaded gaze is dropped in kaesora. I have been trying to get that for months now. Ultra rare rare drop. And if someone is selling one ya youre right its gonna cost bigtime. Well at least on my server it will. The spectres ya heard about are the ones in the tunnel to the plane of fear. At 30 I wouldnt mess with it. I would

1.) goto fm and pump a few more lvls out on fear kiting

2.) goto great divide and fear kite giants.

3.) kill uthoruks in eastern wastes along the ocean line towards IC

Those are what I would do but its up to you.

[sintalon]

Just a note and personal preference on the staff of the dread gaze. i have never understood why someone would camp it other then to sell it. Yes it has a manaless fear but we are talking about a class that regens mana so fast its ridiculous. The part i dislike is its cast time and the main reason that i never stayed past getting my HS key part at that camp. People all have differening opinions but personally i never wanted to wait 7-9 seconds to recast a fear if the mob resisted. not for a mere 200 mana savings.

[Salax]

Personally I wouldn't bother with the staff. But to answer where to hunt at 30, ok its boring and the loot sucks but honestly you can stay in Marus Seru soloing any dark blue you can find until 34, then head to OT where the book is zone in turn right, avoid the guards if you are not a DE or accepted there..go around to the other outpost entrance, there are golems there, if you are not kos its safe to med there, you can go straight out and pull fear kite it and med at the entrance if needed.

I did this until 49, I had to move accross to the other side of the zone where you come in from Frontier Mountains, there are a lot of light blues there, but there are still many DB. You can kill them easy and fast. Once you hit 49 you can solo in DL away from groups. (Sorry but those groups steal all of the mobs and at 40 handling agro is harder.)

You can level there off of DB until 51. These places are not traditional by any means or very popular, but they are hardly camped and mana "nice" for the exp.

Hope this helps =)

Salax
59 Necromancer..still working on where to go next.

[Doomfir]

Timorous deep and the spirocs, are found by taking the barge from Oasis to ogre island in TD. On one side of the island just past the ogres, there are the spirocs. At first they will be apprehensive to you, but after you kill a few you will slowly turn kos so at least you get a few pulls to wet your feet before you start getting the possibility of adds.

If you were on The Nameless I would show you how to pull the village. It is very simple even when you get an add (most of the time the most you would get at one time is two). I have had 3-4 all dotd and fear walking before so adds are not an issue if you are good at fear kiting.
As in all kiting endevours however, you must prepare for the worst case senario's and have FD up and be able to run fast - jboots, sow potion, horse, run3.

The Staff of the Dreaded gaze is possibly the most useful necro item in the game pre level 60 a necro can own. I am not sure however the right click effect level for you. I think that 30 is a tad low.. not sure. I would check on it's level. Anyhow, it is a right click invoke fear staff with stats. Infinite charges.. It is a rare drop from Xalgoz in kaesora. They sell in the bazaar anywhere from 6k to 15k on The Nameless server. I am almost 64 (3 blue to go), and I still would NEVER sell mine. It is extremely rare to see one in the bazaar because necros wont part with it even in the upper levels when they dont use it that much anymore.

Think of it this way, if you had your epic, and this staff, you could kite forever with not even liching or casting ONE other spell. Just snare with epic, fear them with Dreaded gaze staff, and sick pet on them.. as the mob moves and you move, whenever you stop just recast fear again.. lol.. Manaless experience.

What I find most amusing about this staff is how few of the high level necros have even heard of it.. IMO it is about as priceless to own as the staff of temp flux is to a wizard (not really used to lower resists but to pull with on the run).

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Doomfir@Dec 23 2003, 11:48 AM
Think of it this way, if you had your epic, and this staff, you could kite forever with not even liching or casting ONE other spell. Just snare with epic, fear them with Dreaded gaze staff, and sick pet on them.. as the mob moves and you move, whenever you stop just recast fear again.. lol.. Manaless experience.

What I find most amusing about this staff is how few of the high level necros have even heard of it.. IMO it is about as priceless to own as the staff of temp flux is to a wizard (not really used to lower resists but to pull with on the run).
That's because It's a very rare drop of Xalgoz, it's a 9 second cast and Invoke Fear really isn't all that Mana intensive to begin with. I'd rather do without it. Farmed Xalgoz for two weeks with my guild to get fangs for HS key's and we didn't see this drop not once...

[Doomfir]

It is a 7 second cast time not 9, and our snare lasts 1:30 seconds+.. why is this an issue??? You guys must not have done much fear kiting or you didnt mind blowing allot of mana on fear when you didnt have to use any. You say 200 mana is no big thing, but lets add it up.. Invoke fear lasts 45 seconds, and it rarely lasts its full time, so.. On a mob that has around 8k hps, like allot of Skyfire mobs, that is at LEAST 2 casts of snare, and 3 to 4 casts of fear per mob. That breaks down to 600 to 800 mana on each mob. ALSO by waiting for fear to break you lose the advantage and the mob might agro on your pet. With the staff you can cast it everytime the you stop moving so the mob NEVER breaks fear. I don't care what we got for a regen, that is nothing more than a drain to pump mana into. I guarantee you, YOU fear kite your way, and I will do it mine, and I will get half again as many mobs dead in the same time you do.

I can truelly say is if you don't own one, you got no idea. For those of us who do is they are the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to fear kiting. With it I will have 3 - 4 mobs all dotd and moving at the same time keeping them all feared effortlessly.

[sintalon]

Doom thats really just a matter of opinion. 200 mana is a pittance and always will be. Ive added up what i cast now to kite an HoH mob and its around 2k+ and when im done with the mob im ready to go again.

Ive rarely NOT had Invoke fear last its full duration and actually in many cases i would cast it again to change the mobs direction if i didnt like where the beast was headed. Regarding spending 6 - 15k on an item that has a 7 second clicky cast time seems ridiculous to me but if i ever did have it i would more then happily sell it to another necro that differed with my own opinion and buy something useful.

Now regarding EPic and this together i find them both useless unless we are talking for stats. 200man fear and a 200 mana snare ( for 2 minutes embracing darkness) is a mere 400 mana. Heck most of our dots cost that and again our mana regen is such that it shouldnt be an issue. But what exactly are you fearing at that level. I cant even remember where i put the fear spell in my book. Anything i may have feared in my younger days i just give to my pet today for a snack.

Any case not trying to jump in your face but my opinion is that Staff is on my list of overrated Items that arent worth the money or the time invested to get them.

[Vagabond]

When I level, I go for lowest blue possible. Sure, I don't get the "within 5 levels" bonus, but I very rarely get resists, and typically am using spells well beyond the mobs HP totals.

For low-mid 30s, park yourself to the right of the seru-city ent in DS (when facing the city). there's a 3-4 spawn mushroom ring there, and roaming zens. No wolves or crawlers aggro that area, but they are close enough to be a pain if you go awandering.

Shrooms are a simple Dark, tap-dot, /pet attack, fear. When I went there they pulled solo, so I assume they don't assist, or maybe it was just my lvl. Fear breaks when mobs at 20ish percent, it gets 1-2 rounds of attacks vs skel, and then starts into its run mode. Came out of each shroom kill with more HP and mana than I started. Kill Zens to burn off excess mana (i.e. zens have 2-3x the hp it seemed like). Turn in Fungus coverd fungi for a fairly useless quest exp message, sell the other non-nodrop shroom bits, and distroy the nodrop ones. 1% a kill.

High 30s-42. Jagged pine, Basklisks and Bask Geniators. Geniators are the only aggro ones, and nothing but them assists. Again, it was just a matter of Dark, Tapdot, /petattack, Fear. Again, fear breaks when the mob is at 20-25%, skell melee's it down to 18%, and it turns to run. Gens are a few levels higher, sometimes I'd have to tap em to take the excess hps off, but thats ok, since again, I gained more hp/mana than I lost per normal bask kill. 42 basks are about 50/50 lblue/blue, and Gens are still blue. Eggs off Gens, toungues and misc research bits off both. Bazaar the eggs, you may make a tidy profit (or not. When I started there, I was making 25p an egg, when I left, the price was down to 5p an egg). 1% a kill.

Since its basically 4 button presses per kite/kill at both of these camps, I got real good at timing it so I could go back to watching something or reading web pages.

43? well, tried the beach in LoY, charm fighting. Had bad luck with charm durations. You can also aggro kite sonic wolves in that one zone off of katta, immune to fear though. Watch for bats (fearable, but immune to snare. totally annoying combo of mobs....) Went back to DS, did wolves by the hopper caves. Just have to watch fear path (runs towards the roaming path of other wolves in the area) and how close you get to that camp of NPCs <they take the wolves side of things. stupid druids/rangers :( >

Aaterno
lvl 44 necro

[Doomfir]

Sint, Why you saying 200 mana? That is a single cast of fear which is not close to how many times you cast even if it lasted the full time (and if you will watch you clock it doesnt not last the full 45 seconds about 30% of the time). At best at the low 50's to 60, you will be cast eb, plague, etc on him at MOST and be doing 180 or so a tick +35 with the pet. so 200 or so a tick. On an 8k hp mob that is 10 ticks a minute or 1850 dmg each minute. At that rate it takes you 4-5 minutes to kill one mob.. that is 5+ casts of fear x 200 mana = 1000 mana in fear alone.

If you talk about giants, I can have 3-4 giants ALL walking same time with the same effect of mana.

Just do the numbers. If you feel like that is overated to not use the staff cause you don't mind blowing 1000 mana every 5 minutes on fear alone then more power too you bro, but in this case you are off base.

All clicky items dont fizzle another bonus. Not a big one, but one none the less. Is 7 seconds cast time a problem? Not a chance. You should have dooming or better on him on inc to the pet right before fear anyhow, so even if you use the staff to initially fear him, you have the time before it lands.

I also dont agree on your assessment of the epic and the fear staff. The two together are a hugely powerful combo to be able to kill mobs with NO mana at all puts the necro up at the same level at the Velks robe on wizards (a right click 645 dmg nuke).

I used to hear from wizards, that Velks robe was useless cause of the 10 second cast time.. lol. BS! They must never have been in the NToV where there are dragons that will manasieve ALL your mana before the fight is done. What you going to do then? Just watch the fight? Mod rod yourself ONE time? NO! You start right clicking your robe and get in a few extra k dmg before the mob is dead.

Necro's who can solo kite with NO mana is an awesome ability. Think of it this way.. go to rathe mountains, and snare and fear every single giant in sight as fast as you can. If no one was there that would be 10+ giants at least.. reg casting you would be oom if you chain cast all the snares, and fear required to do that. But with epic and staff you would be FM and since epic has about 1800hp damage (same as giants hps), then they would ALL be dead by the time the snare wore off. That my friend is far from useless. You are just looking at both in light of your own ability rather than the bigger picture.

[Schaeffer]

I dunno, I tend not to fear kite, and when I do, the MoB usually doesn't need more than two casts. With a buffed pet and a snare and one other quick acting dot thrown in for good measure, MoB's dead before Darkness wears off. I like to throw a Nuke at the end just in case and ofcourse the occassional lifetap when necessary. But I usually don't have any problem being ready for the next one when i'm done, even when there's an add, but that's just me...

[sintalon]

Doom its a matter of play style and maybe how you kite. Schaeffer is right i rarely had to recast fear unless i was changing its DIR to control adds. If you pull at max range send in pet DOt it and wait for it to get just in melee range when your fear hits and sit down and then reapply your poison when it wears off then Fear breaks your sitting medding the mob almost makes it to you and it dies or you take a few steps back and let the pet top it off if it is a non "running" mob. I call that the Pogo method.

Your insight on the manaless kite thing is nice but totally your preference. The staff isnt worth 15k on my server for something i wont use past 55. That cash is better spent on uesful gear. To use your Rathe mountains Example i would cast my pet and be done with it. it would probably take about as long for the cast on your clicky epic and clicky snare for the pet to kill it. real damage clickys im all for and they are great. Epic is a DoT and hey thats cool like i said if i get bored and want to go do that more power to me.

I just dont see the need to rely on something like those items or pay the cost on some of them out there when i can do it just as easily without. Anycase dont really want to get into a huge pissing match about it. you do make very excellent points and it really comes down to game play style. I prefer to take items such as these and will gladly sell them to those who do wish to use them. Its their style again more power to them.

[Doomfir]

Sintlon, you are 65. You are using CoB who can tank allot of old world mobs. Even then he cant up and up tank a high level mob (Old Wurm in eg.) in skyfire without allot of healing. I said in my original post on this is pre level 60. That is with pets Emmissary of thule at best and probably not even him if you didnt have the bank role to get it. That means if you go into skyfire and your pet tanks for any reason.. he dies. Fast.. So. You have to fear him. Fear costs 1k mana per mob at <level 60 with the available dots. That means a mana hog on fear. At <60 mana is still a premium if you want to level as fast as you can.

I went to Skyfire at level 44. At 44 you get allot of resists to fear because most of the mobs are yellow to very red to you there. The staff was invaluable becuase it didnt matter how often I cast it in the kite. They never broke fear. I know of other necros who went there at my level, but I regularly saw their bodies after some mob killed them there. I never died once in skyfire.

I leveled to 52 in 7 play days (no Powerleveling), and the staff was instrumental in it post (level 46). Even past 55 when I was still fearing mobs it was a wonderful tool. I have one.. I used one.. and I say it is worth it's weight in gold pre level 60.

Cast time is not a valid argument on this staff. The only time it would become relavent would be if it was so long that a mob had time to reach you before it hit. That is not the case. If they were near your dooming darkness range when you snared them, then they are still out of melee range when the staff hits them. This is all that is neccessary. EVEN then it would not be an issue if you used reg fear spell for the first fear and then used the staff to always keep them moving after that. Then you essentially are limited (time wise) to the distance they travel while snared / feared in relationship to where you are standing. If you are in front of the mob when you cast it, the cast time could be as long as it takes for them to move past you and to the max range of invoke fear spell. This could be as long as 20+ seconds. 7 seconds is pitance.

All I can say is for you guys who can afford to buy one, or want to camp one, and you are higher than 46, and lower than 61.. then it is worth it's weight in gold. Go for it. Once you are using arch lich or seduction of saryn lich do whatever you want. :-) Yesterday I went to rathe on a killing spree. Only one other person was there besides me. Using CoB pet, my force shield, and my chain horse (got in front of them for agro. I killed every giant in the zone in under 6 minutes. I have the pictures to show the carnage. I don't think the other guy got even one giant. I didnt use fear once. Talk about a coming of age.. it was a rush.

I would however still fear in skyfire cause of the large hitpoints of the mobs and they hit substantially harder than giants.

[Azrioth]

Cthula this your 1st char? Exp gets sucky after a while, to the point where you're glad if you can see the bar move at all :)

Stick with it, my necro has been easy so far, other classes are definetly harder.

[Salizarr]

What i did with my necro was:

1-10: Field of Bone - solo

10-16: Kurns Tower - solo or group (whichever was available)

16-25: Paludal Caverns - group

25-31: High Keep Hold - group

31-36: LDoN adventures - groups duh!

And that's where I am atm...
LDoN advs can be a pain sometimes getting groups, but its worth it imho. With a grood group you get half or 1/3 of a level at most on each adventure, not to mention items, augs, adv points and money.

Sal

[Cthulha]

Yes this is the first character that I've leveled above 25. I accept the fact that exp gets slower and slower.. it's just that I feel as though I don't get it sometimes.. how some people seem to have the coolest strategies, and it works for them. But when I try it, I get killed. It's just a little frustrating, that's all. I appreciate all the suggestions. I really should try grouping sometimes.. I recently broke up with my boyfriend, who used to play with me and help me all the time.. so now I don't know anyone in the game to play with or anything.. :(

[Doomfir]

I suggest, that you find an upper level necro who can assist you in technique on those zones that can be rough. If you were on the nameless I would show you how to do stuff that is red to you np. I found leveling with my necro the easiest of any class I have played so far. There is essentially no fear when I go into a zone. I am normally the LAST to die in a raid or solo etc.

[Jebasiz]

Cthulha, feel free to ask me any questions you have through a x-server tell. I'm on bertox.

Jebasiz

[Betrayl]

I'm pretty sure you can solo in OT around 29 or lower, just involves alot of running :)

[Kompressor]

what server do u play on

Myz

[Kompressor]

I was able to pwn unrest at 30... @ lvl 30 most of thte mobs are or should be db, you ll run into some whites possibly, but most likely db, and yer charm on undead should work well.. Killing one of the skeles, u can single pull a lot of the room, but be careful, they do have aggro range, and if yer not sneaky u will be roughed up, if possible, find a partner to duo with, xp% down in the basement there ranges from 5-10 % yes I said 10%.. I have lvld about 8 characters in unrest, and pretty much thats where I go coz I know it well... lvl ranges for there is, 8-13 yard trash (beetles, undead beings walking around) 14-20 backroom) nice spawn in backroom to clear, easy kills.. 20-30, mobs inside or around the upstairs, 25-30 basement mobs, better for pl where a higher lvl can pull for u, but I was able to solo there...(now you say people say they can do something when u cant) be careful with adds, is my suggestion, if u can charm one undead, he can pretty much eat all the others, (with your dots and taps) Your pet at 29 cannot handle the mobs or adds, charms can usually, or u can FD yer way out if u have to. Again, helps if you have a duo partner, but again, this can be done solo.

There is a couple bad things about running to unrest..
1) its not close,
2) if u die, its far enough that most clerics will not come to rez.
3) adds

Good part of unrest
1) great xp up to lvl 32 in basement. some people even xp there till 35 or more, seen a pally xp in basement up to 39 ish heh
2) 80-90% of the mobs are undead.
3) necros pwn undead
4)There are high lvl clerics there frequently so look around first make sure there is one available in case u do die.
Directions to Unrest

take butcherblock, (kaladim stone) go away from castle on trail, take a right where trail turns into a T and follow to mountain side.. going left at the T will put u at butcherblock adventure camps, or Gfay.
Once u to the zone, you will be in DC or Dagnors Cauldron. go straight out, it ll be a lil bit windy, till u see water on your left hand side, keep following the water till u see an opening in the mountain for zone in, (LOY maps work well here)

once zoned in..
]Directions to the basement..

1) enter zone, go straight towards the big house
2) go in front door, take a left,first right.
3) take second left door, it puts you then in a little room
4) as u take the second left, and yer in the room, you will see a bookcase lookin thing, click on that its like a door. At the bottom, you ll see two undead, or possibly werebats, careful now, werebats are NOT undead and can beatchu up if yer not prepared for them.. hopefully, when u go down there there will be two skele undeads, which make the best pets usually. Now, if u charmed one pet, and killed the other easy, do not get too overconfident and wander in around the rest of the basement, aggro is kinda tough there, if u have to, sit pet down, lil bit in, stay to the right, and try to single pull the mob in his own lil cubby and pull him back to the staircase where u killed the first one.. remember always have FD up incase charm breaks at wrong time, or u can try using yer own pet, but like I said, not sure if the 29 pet is gonna last very long.. good luck :)

If yer on TM, send me a tell to "myztyk" and I would be willing to come out n help you if you want :)

Myztyk 54 th of TM
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=876746

[Antilight]

What level is the ghost in the basement in Unrest? I thought he was in his 40's. Use to be the terror of the zone when he got out chasing some poor sap to the zoneline. Remember a few times I zoned in on top of him! Unrest is one of the FUNNEST zones to level in (or PL in).

[Kompressor]

the ghost u are referring to is Garanel Ruksif, and hes lvl 38..
lb to 50's.. He is fun to kill, but cannot be solo'd by a single person below 40. need a duo, or group at least for him.. hes like a low lvl named. He drops one pair of boots (name escapes me atm) and other vendor fodder.

His spawn location is in the deepest part of the basement, theres two parts, one is the "pit" where I told the previous through the hidden wall in the pit, and further down. unrest is by far my favorite zone lvling in 20-30 and by far the best xp in game for those lvls, but like I said, u can only solo so much of it, duo, or pl would work tons better. solo xp early 20s is 10-15% per kill, upper 20's and early 30's 5-10% per.
The ghost on the top floor is torklar battlemaster, he might of been the one being trained to zone, he is a massive undercon, hes only like lvl 20 or so, but has tons of hps and hits like for 60 ish sometimes. garanel is the boss of unrest really, and hes around lvl 38.

[Kompressor]

[QUOTE] what server do u play on.

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duh, I didnt notice her siggy heh nm :)