F*cking mages

[Xarulsis Soulreaver]

I an starting to get pissed, how do I beat a level 59 mage?

Xarulsis Soulreaver
55 Necromancer of
Lanys Tyv'il

[Shadowmana]

WELL first off you wanna at least get to the same level as him tog et your level 59 pet and some stronger DOts DUHHH if he is 4 levels higer than you than of course he is gonna kick your ass
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[Xaupus]

Well First of all get ur pet to take his pet !!
then slow and fear the mage and soon as the guy starts to move away frow a couple of dot on him and sit back and chain cast ur pet to keep his pet busy

[Doomfir]

First of all, I don't believe in Necro's dueling because they nerfed allot of our abilities. For one you CAN'T fear an opponent. To not fear an opponent is like taking harmtouch away from a SK or Lay of Hands from a pally. The reason they did this was because we would kick their ass out and out with no looking back. Verant / SoE knew this and nerfed us to stop hear the whining of the loosers.

Second of all, if you are trying to take a mage with DoT's you deserve to have your ass kicked. A bad ass dot takes 30 seconds to do enough dmg to kill a mage MINIMUM at 59. That means he has just cast a 6 second 1100 dmg nuke on you 4+ 5 times. Boom.. you are dead.

You have to take him with lifetaps. I don't mean the whimpy 300dmg lifetaps.. I mean Touch of Mujaki or the Gangrenous touch of Zamuul.

They cast much faster than his nukes, are harder to resist, and heal you while damaging him. You can DoT him and he will die after the fight.. but what good is that?

Also melee him same time.. Get drakel wolf claws and be whopping on his butt while you are lifetap the shnitz out of him.

Also, send in your pet to HIM.. not his pet.. and equip the pet with dual gnoll hide lariats. Pet to pet is a waste of time.. Your pet will eventually turn to his pet anyhow cause he will be trying to get him off him. Just use it to keep him off balance. Plus the gnoll hide lariats are amazing in the hands of a pet. Just hope his pet also doesnt have them.

I said all that to help you, but same time, they have to unerf us to give back what SoE took from us. Then it doesn't matter what class we face.. we can kick their ass.

[Xaupus]

well i thought u could fear, well if u cannt then that abit sh*t

[Emperson]

yah, as a necro, i do hate that they took away fear in pvp... but, as a eq player, i also feel that it gave us just too much of an advantage, and that we are still one of the best pvp classes around

[guttsu]

Originally posted by Xarulsis Soulreaver@Dec 14 2003, 11:07 PM
I an starting to get pissed, how do I beat a level 59 mage?

Xarulsis Soulreaver
55 Necromancer of
Lanys Tyv'il
ok u still have a mez..screaming terror..use it..love it..just keep the mage mezzed.u can snare pet fear him do what u want. once pet is out of the way u have the mage aal to yourself. also u have a dmg absorber so if the mage does hit u with a nuke the shield will abosrb some of the dmg. yes mages do get hard to beat..but they are easy to take down if u just use the right spells.

lvl 54 necromancer guttsutwo.karana server :P

[Harv_SZ_Hate]

Its Very Simple...

Mages are all about pets... Take the pet out of the picture as fast as possible with as little effort as possible...

If the mage doesent see you coming then you send pet to attack him... His pet will attack yours... If you don't have a pet up start with fear on the pet and then hit the mage... If your high enough the pet is a non factor... you will be able to channel though all of its hits and still only attack the mage...

Open with a life tap dot and then chain lifetap... this is how u will win 90% of duels with casters....

Don't worry about him casting DDs on you cause your taps and dot will more then make up for the loss of life and he will be dieing quickly.... If soemthing happens where you do need to use DA then your life tap dot will still heal you up while he usually will sit there and waste mana on you....

One thing a sneaky mage will do if they are any good is have an earth pet up and when its rooted your pet they will back it off and then attack you with it... you need to fear it...

The key is to get to casting your life tap dot asap and half seconds count...

Harv

[Umbrello]

Listen to Harv, he's an old pro.

[Undacova Claimincrips]

any class can be easy for us.. even if we cant fear.
you guys remember shadowstep?
yeah. well.. catch the mage in a zone like great divide or NRO. somewhere where theres alot of hills.
then lay splurt on him. then SS before he can cast.
yes shadowstep sometimes puts you like 3 feet away. but more than not your gonna be out of range of his spell.. and hell have no clue where you went.
then you run back to where he was. lay another dot on him before he can even see you. then you can just run. splurt with another high level dot will kill any mage i believe. Im level 52. and ive owned 59's thats the highest in range to me.

[Xarulsis Soulreaver]

I have read your advice and here's two things, I can't fear his pet they are to high a level and are immune to fear. I cannot mezz the mage because mezz only works up to 50 somthing. I think the best thing I can do is /pet attack on the mage, cast 1 dot ,shadow step, come back and lifetap him and run like crazy. He is now level 61 but I have caught up with him a bit. So, if you have any more advice besides using fear and mezz do tell.

Xarulsis Soulreaver
59 Necromancer of
Lanys Tyv'il

[Jebasiz]

Open with a life tap dot and then chain lifetap... this is how u will win 90% of duels with casters....

Saryrn's Kiss, vexxing mordinia, etc do not work for pvp against PC's.

The way I beat mages is to get very high resist fire and magic(unbuffed). You'll resist part or most of their nukes that way. If they cast rains on you....move. With decent gear/hps the pet shouldn't really be a huge factor, and can actually help if you root and cast the aforementioned hp dot on it(not the mage). Elder holgresh beads or stalking probes can give you the same benefit, as hp dots do work on the eyes. Typically, I click annull magic on mages x2, and then life tap them to death. Seems to work. If they have the spam pet aa, use your harmshield/qvox or fd and then don't attack the mage for 30seconds(until his pets disapear). At the risk of sounding inflammatory, most mages are "all boom, no brain" in the arena...and in my experience aren't all that tough.

Jeb
*edit* if your going to dot them use splurt and pyrocuor/funeral pyre of kelador, they seem to land the most often iirc. Also remember that mages can gain some pretty impressive hps through gear and levels..so although it's important to take them out quickly, efficiency can still be an issue (IE don't try 8 times to land Blood of thule).

[staticxoRcist_69]

was on a while ago, about 4 months id say and challenged my friends 31 bard to a duel with my lvl 22 necro hehe, was j/k at the time but he wanted to duel... <_< anyways, at this time none of us was that well equiped really, but a friend did give about 3k to spend in the bazaar :lol: anyways, we go to queynos and i despised a magnificent plan, i would bind my self at the corner to the left where that human guy stands occasionally, and after i get heat blood on i would gate if absorb shield goes. Well the battle starts and i send pet in, anyways hes like O YA IM GONNA WIN HAHAHA U SUCK IM LIKE A BILLION HUNDRED THOUSAND 29 LVLS HIGHER THEN U HAHAHA IM GONNA MEZ URE PET HAHA URE DEAD@@ :blink: anyways, he starts wailing on me and i cast heat blood on him, then i gate, im shaking in my chair with a friend beside me watchin him * pet still mezzed my friends bards life goes down to 96 haha, so i run back, get heat blood on him and get TWO whole lifetaps on him each taking about 10% if i recall correctly i was hitting him anywhere from 45-60 hps each cast, so i gated again, got my absorb skin back on and saw that he was at 70% so im like ugh oh i may beat him ;) and after heat runs out i go what the heck and try clinging OMFG it stuck HAHAHAHA STUPID BARD DIEEE DIDIEIEIEE DIEEE WOMAN... so now im doing about 20 per tick hehe not to bad considering his lvl and resis, so hes down to 40% at this time and im medding after my successful gate, dunno where pet is, about 30% mana or so, get absorb shield back :rolleyes: heat and clingin wears off hes at 30 % so im like ok i won this duel, i go in and life tap KERTT THE ALMIGHTY BARD THAT WAS GONNA PWNT ME TO DEATH WITH HIS SUPER PK SKILLS, and hes about 25% then he just goes in and wales on me, and finally pet breaks free BUT remember hes only lvl 20 and i didnt have my pet haste spell so he was unbuffed entire fight, KOBANAN THE SUPER PET OF GAWDLYNESS HITS KERTT FOR 2!!!!!! yay aint i good, anyways kerrts at 7% and im at 70 cause im weak low ac and hps :D and im sending tells to KERTT THE ALMIGHTY MAGE OF THE 95TH SEASON OF DOOM,
Boned tells you, HAHAH U SUCK URE GAY URE NAMES RICHARD HAHAHA :lol:
anyways this is how a lvl 22 necro killed a lvl 31 bard w00t
:) battle took about 20 mins lol pretty fun

[staticxoRcist_69]

BTW forgot to put *friend gave him 3k in bazaar,
just wanated to clear that up :rolleyes:

[Soulsapper]

Mages are all about pets... Take the pet out of the picture as fast as possible with as little effort as possible...

I don't know about taking out a mage pet being simple. That mage pet from their epic has what 3K - 4k hps or so plus you know the mage is going to spell haste it then there is the haste mask, a mujaki belt plus weapons doesn't sound convincing to me that my channel would be high enough not to be interrupted.

Besides as you focus on the pet he would be Nuking the hell out of you while you are trying to deal with his pet.

Then again I am no expert

Soulsapper 38 Necromancer
The Nameless

[kruder]

If the mages pet can be feared. Which you can unless buffed or they have item. Then the battle is in your will be hard but can be won. Necros are god-like in pvp just have to know how to use them. Dont let the mage get the drop on you....fear his pet if possible. dot him with bond of death or better. I always open vs casters with BoD or other lich series, this allows you to stay in the fight much longer. When the caster gets you low, wham hit harmshield and laugh as you are going to full health and they are dying. Deflux should also be in the mix. Happy hunting.

[Badnewz]

Theres some things u have left out that are key for ALL classes in pvp. 1st off your best bet in pvp is ANNUL NULIFY CANCEL MAGIC OMGOSH k thx. mage at 59 i do believe has a anti fear buff, and there epic pet is highly resistant to MR based attacks like root. i suggest u take a second to make sure ur pet dont lose the pet fight, (im talkin in refence to experienced player vs. player btw =) your gonna wana slap his pet with atleast 2 to 3 annuls to clear its buffs, haste etc. then hit it with a dot and a tap to keep your health up cause the mage im sure will be nuking ya while u do this. also its prolly a good idea to have your pet heal memmed incase the mage decides he wants to nuke your pet down right off the bat.

Next ur gonna wana make sure u keep mala annuled off u, and start on annuling him, even if he has instent clickys still throw annul at him. next i suggest basically what harv said, heal over time dot, maybe pyre and procced to chain tap. now if u run into a mage with a lot of RUNE sheilding and likes to keep that rune up and put a stop to your tap power (ive meet some mages with a easy 3k in rune sheilding) what ur gonna want to do is just keep him dotted up, and to recover your health use his pet as a hp bitch, dot him and turn to pet for taps for health, then back to him for dots, he prolly wont be able to annul dots or he will lose his sheilding if u annul when he casts annul on himself. hope this helps ><.

[Zaldron]

just a friendly reminder Lifeburn/heal over time lifetap/and our stat drain dots dont work in pvp atleast not on TT dunno if its diff on anyother servers

[Nigyl]

The only time I duelled a Mage we just did it pet vs pet for fun while waiting for a raid to start: his 44 pet against my 49 pet, both hasted, no damage shields... I thought it was going to be real embarassing, but Boner finally wiped out his pet (forget whether he chose air or water?) with about 10% health left. If Boner didn't lifetap he'd have been dead though, Mage pets are generally a lot tougher than ours.

Otherwise, as someone who plays both Mage and Necro at 50+, I'd agree with the strategies suggested here: if you can keep the pet out of the way, the Mage is probably going down fast... at 59 their nukes will hurt, but they take so long to cast and are resisted so easily that lifetaps should easily keep you alive while killing them. Necros can self-heal, Mages can't, so with the pet rooted, feared or distracted by fighting yours, it should be no contest.

[Helloimamag]

We are all about pets :rolleyes:

[Xarulsis Soulreaver]

Too bad mage pets are better.

[Nigyl]

If Necro pets were better than Mage pets, we'd be totally overpowered. Necros can easily kill mobs solo even without their pets (e.g. just root and dot), whereas Mages can't.

[Dredji]

All spells work on sullon zek, doesnt matter if its lifetaps, lifetap dots, stat drains or whatever, it all works baby :D

Dead mage = Funeral pyre, lifetapdot, and another random dot if you like, Dark plague or something whatever, Dont really need it, just lifetap away.

Downed a 65 ranger with one Funeral, one darkplauge and a few lifetaps... piece of cake, Only died to a time gear transfer rogue.

thats me.. peace.

[splurticus]

Wow, they really did gimp necros for PvP on blue servers... you can't use lifetap DOTs in a duel? Lame.

Fear being nerfed against other players is nothing new... that has been the case on all PvP servers for years. That by itself is not a show-stopper for necros.

Usual pvp server necro vs. mage battle is as simple as some other folks have described:

1. Fear his pet

2. Send your pet on the mage, not his pet. His pet will eat your pet... your pet should only engage his pet to buy time for you to cast and/or run away. You should never waste time or mana trying to kill his pet.

3. Lifetap DOT the mage

4. Lifetap DD against his nukes until he's dead

If his pet has a fear immunity buff, and is also root-resistant... that's sort of a problem for you. The idea of dispelling the mage's pet buffs is a good one, but only if you can use an insta-cast dispel like a golem wand to do it. Otherwise you'll be dead by the time you finish annuling buffs off of his pet.

If Lifetap DOTs don't work, that also sucks for you... go with a low-resist high-damage fast-casting DOT... whatever the best you have is. Also, if he's prepared to dispel magic-based DOTs, then go with poison or disease ones instead. Knowing your opponent's gear, spells, and resists is critical to PvP.

Depending on the terrain, you may be able to use it to your advantage. If you can DOT the mage and then get away from him and his pet, he may die in your absense... but you'll need some cover from his bolt spells. Use shadowstep or bind in the zone so you can do an in-zone gate. Stack dots while his pet eats yours, then gate, then sit and med and wait for him to die.

Or, instead of running away, stack DOTs then harmshield. Hopefully he'll be burning through his mana trying to nuke you while you're invulnerable.

Also, hopefully this goes without saying, up your MR and FR as much as possible.

[Kzann]

How to kill a mage:

1. Fear his pet off the bat
2. Dot him sic pet on him
3. Nuke a few times
4. Dead
5. /grats

[DeGrassi]

ugh, ok Necro VS Mage....No way in hell you can land root on the pet...I sent pet in on his pet to give me some time to dmg him....couldn't land any DoTS at all....even some of my LTs resisted he used swarm pets and that damn red dragon....Tried to FD the swarm pets off....they acted like I never did FD and just kept attacking, Mage had all the pet crit and flurry AAs so it ripped my pet a new one then was on me...sooo while trying to kill the mage with swarm pets, red dragon thing, and his main pet on me was pretty much a no go from the start.....But I was thinking if I get Secondary Forte, Swarm of Decay 3, and all pet crit and flurry AAs I could easily own her. Or I could just talk my 65 wiz friend into taking a death in arena for me, using WTD on her corpse and her corpse can cast SoS about 5 times on her for me and BAM I win :P


(Me & Mage, both have VT/Ele gear)

[Jebasiz]

load harmshield and qvox, when he sends his swarm pets use one then the other, it's like a 30 second ability, you have 36 seconds of being invulnerable. Cast forceshield onyourself before the fight, make it your last buff. Mem Pyrocuor(if you don't have ele legs) and splurt (if you don't have VT shoulders), make and suspend a pet and make another pet. Depending on where you are and how familiar you are with pathing, using hills/structures etc to create time/space between you and that pet. Saryrn's kiss WILL work on those freaken pets, which will help emmensly. After that, just lifetap his ass til he dies. I've beaten time geared mages, spells will land, just not everytime...and you should resist most of his spells too. If you get low on health lifetap his pet, or summon an eye, and lifetap that.

[Demetrii Spiritdrinker]

As Jeb said, even a Time-equipped magician will be nailed with spells. It takes awhile to put one through 300+ resists, but it does happen. The trick to almost all Necromancer VS Caster battles is to tank their nukes and nullify their detrimentals.


A pet class like a mage makes this quite simple -- I have little or no trouble with a magician, but keep in mind that I play on a PvP server. That means that Saryrn's Kiss and Lifeburn can both land on an opponent, and that makes a difference.


However, for the sake of making a universally relevant statement, I'll post from the perspective of someone who cannot land Lifeburn or SKiss on their foe, and believe it or not, things tend to work better when you don't.


The first step is knowing that a mage cannot deal more than 75% of your health in one blast, and that the odds of their nukes sticking for full is slim to none -- none of their DDs have negative checks, and most have massive cast times. Thus, high-end magicians tend to rely on Mala, and AA skills to incapacitate a caster long enough to kill them with hit-and-miss nukes that still won't land for full after Mala.


Once again, to reitterate what Jeb said, Quivering Veil of Xarn, Harmshield, and Forceshield are your friend, as are Splurt and Pyrocruor. Through extensive testing ( and what I'm about to say will contradict SPDat information, even though SPDat is known to be unreliable ), I have concluded that FP is on a completely different set of resistance checks than Pyrocruor, which indicates that FP is not, in fact, an upgrade to the Heat Blood line, but rather the beginning of a different, high DPS, fire-based line of DoTs ( kudos to Myndless on this one; I didn't believe him until I tested it for myself. )


In short, Funeral Pyre bounces on 200 FR. Pyrocruor punches through 400 FR.


The same goes for Splurt -- Splurt appears to have a much lower resistance check than -150, as it will land consistently where Saryrn's Kiss fails, and our tap-over-time spells are purported to have -200 MR checks.


Make one Child of Bertoxx, suspend it, and make another. Commense the duel.


The magician will usually attempt to incapacitate you with his pet, so the Child will have to run interference. Do *not* dispel his pet. This will waste valuable time, as the mage will be Mala'ing you and then nuking to his little heart's content. Instead, stack Saryrn's Kiss on his pet, and whenever he nukes you for any amount of damage that can't be neutralized with the recourse from the tap-over-time, simply Touch of Mujaki his *pet*. Magicians have no means to regenerate mana at an accelerated rate, so he will run out of mana before you do, assuming he tries to outnuke the healing affect from your drains on his pet.


Dissatisfied with the rate at which damage is being dealt to you, and noticing that his pet is at dangerously low health, while yours should still be at around 50%, he will punch the Swarm and Drake AAs, and attempt to bake you with nukes while the swarmpets interrupt attempts to drain his main pet. At this point, punch Harmshield, and let him nuke as much as he wants. Once harmshield fades, punch Xarn and let him nuke a little more -- Runspeed 3 outruns the swarmpets, so lead them out of range, and then feign them when Xarn fades.


This should cause the swarmpets to run back and attack the badly damaged Child of Bertoxxolous -- depending on AAs, I would recommend rushing back and waiting until the Child enrages, then punching Pet LoH ( assuming you have it ). If not, no problem -- so long as the pet is facing the swarmpets, he'll tank them all day long, and will probably even kill them -- their individual health sucks. The Drake should be vanished at this point, which leaves you with a petless mage at full health and low mana, and you with tons of mana and an almost-dead or 60%ish pet, depending on whether or not you landed a LoH on the pet.


Assuming you did land one, your pet will now attack the mage, and as the mage cannot root the pet, he will be forced to either kite it and attempt to channel a nuke through the hasted Child's DPS, or else attempt to burn the Child down, depending on its health -- also, depending on whether he DS'ed himself, and whether or not the Child nabbed a LoH, it might kill itself on the DS.


Assuming the first Child dies, unsuspend the second one, full on health and freshly hasted, and send it to the mage. At this point, begin to stack DoTs -- the magician should be almost OoM, and put entirely on the defensive. Stack Splurt and Pyrocruor, and then tap him until he kicks the bucket. Assuming his resistances aren't top-notch, which is unlikely if he bounces lifetaps, I'd recommend Blood of Thule and DP, provided you have them memm'ed -- Although, without his pet and mana, I doubt the magician could do much to stop you from sitting down and memorizing them. Just maintain a comfortable level of DPS until he dies.


Fighting a high-end mage in a nutshell.