What EQ Was.....

[Verus]

I realize that all of the advancements that are coming about are great for the 'casual' player. Please let me define that before I get flamed. I define casual player as the person who is to lazy to even look up a quest and has to ask in OOC (I never knew quests when I started). The player that begs for gear or buys plat. The player who expects to be 65 in less then 10 days play time. Maybe casual player is the wrong term, so forgive me. Everyone has seen players like this.

I started playing in the Kunark days. The days when taking down a DB mob solo was a huge thing. The days when the tunnel was still alive with trading and bartering. When you couldn't afk a trader and expect to make 50k plat without working. What was 50k? It didn't exist.

That was the day when banded mail was something to get for your level 20 toon. When fishing meant nothing but was fun. Power Leveling was known by a very few. Everyone had to use boats or run.

60 was so far away it seemed impossible, but people grouped together and had a blast. You cared if a party member died and didn't just gate out. No one argued over camps. People would even come up and help if you were in trouble.

I still play the game, but it isn't the game it once was. I have one 65 toon because I want to enjoy the game, not cheat at it. Yes, I have twinked my alts, just cause it is so easy to do these days.

Everquest is dead because the 'casual' player has turned it to 'neverquest and everlevel.'

I know it's a game but I have made so many friends here. I value all of them and talk to them in real life.

My tirade is done. Flame on.......

Verus (barely flaged for anything)
Terris Thule

[Glauron]

/Agree's with all
I blame IGE and ebayer's. BAstards!

[CompGeekSeelye]

I started playing just before Velious came back and ooo do I agree with this all.

I had my Dwarven Ringmail Tunic on till I was 30 lol.

[Verus]

I guess the thing that hacks me off the most is a possible aa that will allow anyone to 'gate to a friendly town.' Give me a break. Why not give everyone level 60 and 100aa's when they start a new toon. Why waste the time SoE?

In fact, why doesn't SoE just get into the gear selling business after all......

It's all about real money anyway.

Am I wrong, is this not what EQ used to be and what we have today?

Verus (digs into his RL pockets to pay SoE for the next useless expansion)
Terris Thule

[Mallakith]

agree with the sentiments.


I must admit to being old... i worked dam hard to get to 65 and am (hopefully) rightly proud to have achieved it. What i dont get is the necros i see asking for plvls in pok. they'll sit in pok for hours asking to be plvled without realising they can get 2 or 3 levels if they go out and HUNT!.

Questing is what does it for me.. so much so ive started killing iksars for cabilis necro faction to do the skullcap quest. Im not sure if anyone on VZ has done it as non-necros but i fancy a new quest.

I think that the big problem with getting ppl into quests IS the rewards of low lvl quests. The quest I started in earnest was thurg coldain shawls and i really had fun upping my tradeskills to progress.. Epic quest as well was for me (and most people) for the sake of completing it rather than any awesome item (altho it is still one of the better 1hb's in the game stats wise that i can get).

I look forward to eq2 with both excitement and apprehension. Can i stomach levelling another character from scratch.. but at least there'll be no twinks out there showing off their kit. When a nice item drops and is linked everyone will want one and be pleased for the owner.

I honestly think eq is coming to the end of its natural life. I groan when I see west commons empty.. i look indisbelief when i see
<anonymous> Mallakith <infectus>
there is one person in lake of ill omen...

I remember sitting at spires in IO, waiting for a spot at sarnak fort, with 40 odd people in the zone...

where are all the level 20 - 30's these days?

Buffs such as temp have ruined group play. these days a necro can buy temp for himself an his pet and go solo mobs by tanking them. The skills of kiting and fear kiting are being lost. Warrior can solo mobs that are dark blue.. then click their bandages to 70% and go kill another.. there is no incentive to group and so the group play is losing.

I have been in LDON's on my alt where nobody seemed to know their role. The sk was getting aggro because rather than having assist spells he has aggro spells up. When a warrior is explaining to a sk about aggro theres something wrong.

Wow i like ranting! :rolleyes:

For saying there are hundreds of zones in the game why are ppl clustered into six! ;-)

Lich Mallakith Souldefiler Arch Lich of Vallon Zek

[vamprina]

yes, i remeber the old days too, even though i am only lvl 56 i also have a lvl 65 war. i remeber when i would zone into ec and go link dead cuz of lag, or zone into wc and see 20-30 peeps sitting at spires waiting to get a port or just talking with friends, and helping the low lvls from getting killed by kodiacs. but its not like that anymore. and dont expect eq2 to last that long either, eventually it will be like eq1 where you remeber how it "used to be". but eventually it will change. they need to make a game where they shouldnt make expansions, to keep the game real. if soe would change everything and make eq the way it used to be i would be alot more happy. i remeber going to rathe mount and looking at all the lvl 55-60 killing hill giants and how i so badly wanted to be that lvl so i could kill hill giants, and look now i am that lvl and soe decided to nerf the HG's so no one hunts them anymore. its the new modern eq trying to keep up with newer generation.

[najiwench]

the only thing i disagree with is the term "casual player"

i am a casual player in that i cannot sit at the computer for 6 hours straight, i have to take care of kids, husband, fix meals, etc...but i don't rely on others to get me things...

i think of those people as n00bs, or tards..really..lol

casual player, to me, is just somebody who is unable (or doesn't want) to join one of those uber high end raiding guilds that require you to spend more time playing a game than spending time with your family...

i still think that you should have to do a quest, like a scavenger hunt type thing, of no drop items before you can use a magus, pok stones, luclin spires, or any other such shortcut....learn your way around, then once you've run from freeport to qeynos 15 times with no help, you can get the shortcut...*shrugs*

[Plavonica]

I do remember killing spiders and skeletons in neriak forest for awhile, then i found another zone!

loading into east commons i was amazed at the amount of people that were there! all trying to lvl up, group up, and sell stuff. it was alot of fun. many people i have met there are still my friends to this day.

Now i look and see everyone gathered around a few select zones, but i look at the brighter side: all those lonley mobs for me to kill :)

[Skulmar]

Sadly we will never get the "new game" feeling back. /sigh

I miss the old days too but things change.

[whar]

Originally posted by Verus
No one argued over camps

When the hell was this? I remember people screaming bloody murder in West Commons about the Derv camp. Don't get me started about North Ro. :)

I have recently restarted Whar on Maelin Starpyre. The game been made so easy I can knock out 2 levels a night easy with these silly Hot Spots. And the gear in the the bazaar selling for 35 plat is better than anything the original Whar had before 50th level.

This is a different game now.

[Aryse Andenter]

Hmm, well surprisingly I have to agree with much of this, and I don't usually in these type of posts, basically because of my background. I have played for less than a year (never played pre-pop), I got to 65 un-power leveled in a few months. I am now in a high-end raiding guild. I have done very few quests because, let's face it, the rewards are just not worth it these days. (But for some reason I tradeskill despite this.) I play on a PvP server where getting to 65 ASAP is very important. I am in a lot of ways a neverquest and everlevel player.

Despite this I am still amazed at what I see. When I was guild leader at first I felt weird since I had played for so little time - then I discovered very fast that I was giving people directions and answering people's questions who had played for even years longer than me.

People had no idea about zone connections - and while this is bad on any server, on a PvP server where books can be camped and access through them impossible, I couldn't figure out how players didn't learn alternate routes to their destination.

People didn't want to bother getting keyed for different zones, or wouldn't bother going there even if they were keyed (sticking to the same old spots) despite limited access zones being a HUGE help on a PvP server.

Players still did stupid things like abandonning a group or guildies who came to help them even though the server population is so small that reputations really do matter and everyone does get to know each other.

Since the tutorial has arrived I've told every little begger I've come across to make sure to do it and get the charm since you just can't buy an item that good for that slot - and I don't think I've ever gotten a response other than thanks-but no thanks. And that is like a 10 minute quest we are talking about.

Depending on the motivations of leveling I don't aprove of PLing for the most part, although I have a lot of sympathy for the situation on SZ, but I have always offered to let anyone who can group with me come along when I am farming things and rarely do people take up the offer because apparently even tagging along on a necro farming is not fast enough xp for some people.

I remember when tribute came out, and I found out so many people didn't even know their way around their home towns. I posted an explanation on our guild boards about how tribute worked, and nobody would read it and wanted it all explained to them, over and over, in guild chat instead, like they want everything explained to them.

Giving people /loc numbers for places is useless, because nobody bothered to learn how that works - despite the fact that /loc numbers are used all the time in group PvP.

I'm not going to rant about how buffs and gear available these days make things easier, or zones are empty now that used to be full - since none of this has changed since I started to play. I will however jump on the bandwagon of sheer shock at the lack of basic game knowledge some players have... actually no. That's not it. It is more the lack of interest in gaining game knowledge that continues to shock me, which makes newbies out of people who have played for years.

[najiwench]

Originally posted by whar+Aug 24 2004, 09:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (whar @ Aug 24 2004, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Verus
No one argued over camps

When the hell was this? I remember people screaming bloody murder in West Commons about the Derv camp. Don't get me started about North Ro. :)

I have recently restarted Whar on Maelin Starpyre. The game been made so easy I can knock out 2 levels a night easy with these silly Hot Spots. And the gear in the the bazaar selling for 35 plat is better than anything the original Whar had before 50th level.

This is a different game now. [/b][/quote]
hehe

/ooc hey retard, orc 2 is taken, go somewhere else

heh aaah those were the days...my first toon was a druid..and the very first time i ran all the way from kelethin to butcherblock, rode the boat to freeport..oh man...so exciting, and scary, and just exhilerating!! (did i spell that right?)

[Verus]

Your right. Let me rephrase two things.

I didn't know what to use to define the 'casual player.' Like I said in first post, that is probably wrong. 'Lazy player' is the correct term.

When talking about camps, I was talking about huge arguements that involved GM's and petitions. I remember when someone said a camp was taken, you went somewhere else.

People had manners back in the day (gums what used to be his teeth).

Sorry about the mixup.

Verus (remembers when oasis was the place to level your 18 level toon)
Terris-Thule

[najiwench]

hehe i don't know...epic mob camps could get pretty nasty...remember a few virtual fights over raster and people slipping in and grabbing the kill.....and the AC for the j boots, whew some fireworks over those guys..

i think it was just because there weren't that many really high end type camps, to be camped, ya know?

but you're right...the rudeness seems to increase with each expansion...

[Mallakith]

Lol ok while we reminiscing... longest corpse run ever....


Pre PoP (hell pre velious)...

Warrior bound in akanon and assumes because I have reasonable faction in freeport ill be ok in qeynos (omg sonyeq backwards) oooops

so i was naked in akanon... having to get to qeynos at level12..

and for the new people.. that meant...

run to lesser fay (avoiding the demon horse from hell and the silly brownie bloke)
run through gfay
butcherblock mnts
boat to freeport
east/west freeport
east commonlands
west commonlands
kithicor forest
high pass hold
east karana
north karana
west karana
qeynos hills
qeynos

and then pay a nice human to drag me away from the guards...

ok also..

Why was it always night when you wanted to go through kithicor at lvl 20?

Why when you have the final hand in for a quest is the npc never up?

Why when you know nothing about a quest does the item drop incessantly when you need it it never drops?

lol I could go on...

[Skulmar]

Heh. I had that CR before on my ranger. A friend was doing her turn in for the Hero Bracer quest (Remember that one?) at the warrior guild in Qeynos. I was just rebuffing us when I accidently casted a nuke on her. (Hey, my self buff firefist icon looked just like my fire nuke..... well excpet for the whole different color background.... but anyway...)

So the guards bum rush me in a heartbeat. I was bound in Kelethin. That was a fun night....

[Zandramadass]

Aye would have to agree with ya Aryse for last couple of years I run into more peps who are all about getting something for nothing and dont want to take the time to learn anything. /loc ?? what is that....lol my maps dont work in half the zones in the game so if I go to help someone with something and is in a zone I havent been in very often I ask for a loc and half the time they say what is loc. The other 49% of the time they just say use your map even after I have informed them it doesnt work for said zone. This is a game to be enjoyed hell look at the name everQUEST yet seems to be filled with peps who seem to think it is everLVL now days ruining it for themselves.

Hmm..longest CR was early velious as elfie rng bound in Kelethin only to die during pull gone bad on those kodiak things below velks zone in.....heh if I remember correctly I even fell off the boat in OOT. Boy was I steaming that night.

Agree tho some of my fondest memories were original eq or kunark days tho I still fondly remember wearing leather/blackened iron armor on my sk up to mid 20's and weaps lol I once owned a magical sword out of befallen i think it was that actually had a neg agil stat on it but I loved it cause I could hit undead and wisp with it. Hell i think i even paid 70pp for it which was expensive as hell back in the day but now you can get them for like 5pp in the bazaar with positive stats no one will even consider a weap like that now days.

[Mallakith]

bone Bladed Claymore

I begged my friends to go help me get one of them...

Then fell down a trap on my warrior and had to wait for a rogue to find the way

ooo happy days ;-)

Now yer corpses dont even rot properly!!

[Azalin]

Ahh those days..

When Trees will walk.. actually runs with spirit of the wolves (yeah those enchanters or druids)

When i played a human trying to do a corpse run through blackburrow, always keeping a fire beetle eye in bank.

When malachite to summon an elemental makes me broke.

When i have to ask my guild for financial support to buy silver bars so i can raise my jewel crafting.

When an iksar needs to run to Overthere, hide behind the wall, and swim to the boat when it zones over, just to get out of Kunark.

When my level 20 Iksar swims his way over to the chamber of pots in Timorous Deep, braving dangers in the sea.. so i can click on the pot to get back to Cabilis.. and oh yeah so many pots, damn which one should i click?

When forest loop was sold around 15,000 plats.

Ahhh those days...

Cheers.

[Jebasiz]

Grouping outside Najena for exp was fun when I was level 10-14. Then going to oasis and having to try to just get "my share" of caimens and crocodiles..since they were camped to holy hell. Waiting lists for lguk and solb, and even though you were either an "lguk'er" or "solb'er" (don't even try to claim to be both, that wasn't even an option) both zones had long wait times. Then kunark came out, and people leveled to 50 in Dreadlands, then went to KC..the elite actually went to this unknown place called Old Sebilis. There was no begging, ssoy's used to get 10kpp! If you had a naggy or vox drop you were godly, and planes gear? OMG people would call you sir, and move out of your way.

Now..noone wants original planes gear, they turn that in for gems and sell'em. Ssoy's are reguarded as trash. Lguk and solb are empty, I guess the exp isn't good enough for people. I get asked for kei and ports in pok, as an iksar necromancer...sometimes I just get asked for buffs, when I reply..and which buffs would you like, I regularly get a...I dunno, or whichever buffs ya have(if your gonna beg, know what to ask for!) I get asked for money, or a "weapon for a newbie pls" almost daily, which I never reply to, or just say /r no.

When I play my rogue alt (he's 55 now, and yes he's right around 3 days played..but I know the game well, and never get complaints..and usually get tells from people who I've played with asking me to come back, so I think I'm an OK rogue) I never see a tank spin a mob so pets and me can hit the mob in the back, I never see clerics do anything but stand, heal...sit, stand, heal sit. The dr00ds are horrible, if they dot..they dot something that was mezzed, and then yell at the tank for letting them die, if they nuke, they over agro (assist key wru?)
Monks that can't pull without pacify, necros that can't root park adds, or even just kited them away. I found a level 60 necro on a horse, using LICH! not demi lich..the level 49 lich, over arch lich. Damn I didn't know if was hard to stand and cast.

The game isn't new..but it doesn't have to be made this easy, to play like it's this old/dead. On the bright side, in OoW there's a TON of corpses at every zone in/out...so much so that I've had to /hidecorpse all several times or my screen will almost freeze (and I play on a big raid 6 nights a week and have been for a long time w/o problems../cackle it's ALOT of corpses) so maybe, just maybe SOE is bringing back the challenge of the game, and it'll bring the communities of each server together, much like loosing a corpse in lguk did back in the "good ole days".

Right now, eq is easy, new people are spoiled to such a degree that if they can't get what they want in the game, without any significant effort..they just rant about it on an eq website..and eventually content gets nerfed, and noob_360,000 gets his BoT access simply for leveling(which they made too easy). There's so many remove all forms of flagging posts throughout eq related message boards, I can see that going away in the next year as well, atleast for PoP. That'll be about the time I either leave the game, or totally forget about anything that isn't qvic or higher in content.

[lenthias]

i only played for 4 years lol but i remeber every derv camp was camped and the orcs where too in wc oasis camps in the orcs everyone /ooc if cazul was going somewhere now its realy a desert wasteland

[lenthias]

in my opion the people in eq are beter then the game except some people who train you who no reason well MY FRIENDS SO nice lol they best thing ever

[Bostuse RedNeckroh]

Ok well I can understand the good ole days. However I bet with the game play now none of you would want to have it that way again.

Also Im a bettin man so Im pretty sure most of you complaining of these twinks sell in the bazaar. Cant have it both ways , I ya dont like it dont support it.

There are things I dislike now too , temp is one of them. Hate trying to lvl my 24 cleric in ldons and everyone has temp. See with temp they think they are tanks even when they arent , pull to much , take way to much damage and then low and behold my heal spels arent geared for temp yet so It tale s half your mana to heal someone back to full mana. Makes it rough since theres no buff to counter the higher hitpoints these people are fighting with.

Now temp is nice for lvl 46 up cause by then ya have complete heal works out just fine. It also negates my lower lvl hp buffs for said cleric and his skill in casting sucks cause hes never using the skill to buff with.

Ive made a 4 person team for my gf and me Pally , cleric, chanter, shammy. We rely solely on the buffs our lvl 30's can provide, dont over pull and exclusivrly do ldons for the last 13 lvls and I tell ya its fun and way easy to do. Even with the limited dps.

I played the game the day of retail release so I know what it was like to get 13 copper and think your rich, or a rusty dagger and think woot I got a gd weapon. I personlally didnt like them days but starting with nothing and making something is cool in its own way. But reliving it BAH.

I like the changes to the game as they stand now the heart ache of living through them sucked but none the less its a better game. I myself prefer the highend game its way more tactical and chalenging and fun, so Ill scoot through the lower lvls as fast as I can. My biggest hang up now is the accronyms I still get stumped when people put in the 1st 4 letters of somethign and through the thousands of items and places have to figure it out like typing in Copper hammer of striking is so tedious.

Nerfing the giants cash drop rate sucked but I feel their intention was for played to xp off them at a crucial money spot for thier lvls and it was being explooited by higher lvls solely for cash farming. So take away the cash leave the xp intact and maybe people would kil them for xp however they didnt go anymore cause why kill them just for xp.

The experience thing is annoying too. People join a group and in 4 or 5 pulls take off becasue they xp bar isnt going up at 1 -5 % a kill. So the grouping thing for gettin named to pop or just comradery is gone and its hard to find that except in the higher end when the xp your getting is just aa xp then groups stick together and do some learning and killin.

Im an explorer I like checking different (dead) zones out and exploiting them for all they got because thats me. Its why I made a necro cause they the best explorers in the game, Ya die deep inside your bods a summon away. :) good for me cause while I explore i find every pit trap too lol. When I get my shammy to a decent lvl there wont be a zone I dont go to because then Ill have slows for both sides of the gammet. Even today I took my Beastlord to warsalik woods I was the only cat there but I was killin in the gobo camps for the cheese of it maybe get a shruken skull earing (did) and just get some xp on the side while goofing around him being only lvl 24.

So I guess I agree with some of what your saying but can ya honestly say right now you would be still playing the game if SoE didnt make the changes to it thoughout the years. With the influx of new players and sony making it more appealing to people to comeback we have to relize and take the time to teach some people how to play they toon in a group cause one day It might be that same guy or girl that saves your ass from gettin owned.


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[Jebasiz]

Back when velious launched, there was an aura about zones..how many times did you zone into Wakelands via a port and get absolutely owned by a dragon? Not the most fun..but damn after you summoned your corpses to the kael zone..it had to give you a laugh, it did for me anyway. Going through cities while kos used to be a challenge, the more you grouped, the more you wanted to..because people wouldn't be out just for themselves.

A guild tag meant something..and people with that same tag would help you, or offer at a momemts..and you'd do the same. Quests camps..ohh I'm omw, tradeskill component farming..you betchya, now your more then likely told off, then told "I'll come help ya man".

The more I group the less I want to now. In Kod'taz I'll join a group..kill a few, and then the cleric will ninja afk..the tank will die, the slower's next, and before you know it, your kiting..so the ninja afk'er doesn't die and can rez the group when s/he decides it's time to pay attention to the 1k quadders incoming to the group. I disband...solo, and have a better time.

The game may or may not be better...but the people playing for sure (for the most part) play at a much lower level then pre-luclin.

[ssyruk]

One of my fondest memories is Befallen, before it got nerfed. And the fun corpse runs after the only guy holding the key dies and is bound in Qeynos or GFay. Man, those were the days hehe.

[najiwench]

eh twinks don't bother me...especially if it is an alt of a person who is working their ass off to earn the plat to twink their alt lol

what bothers me is people who don't know how to play their class...whether they are begging shit, or spamming "where do i hunt at lvl 3" in pok or what...just because there are people out there with lvl 65 and plat out the whazoo doesn't mean that they are required to give somebody else a free ride, ya know?

that lvl 65 started the same way as everyone...with nothing but their noob robes and that no drop dagger..in fact they probably had less than the current noob has with all the new stuff they are giving people lmao

ah well....cest la vie