Best Race For Necromancers

[Jelro79]

Starting up a necro on Tallon Zek PVP Server, what has been the best experiences for people playing a necro based on Race?

[Xavier]

Well I choose Iksar. They have a higher natural ac when can help when taking a few beatings for your pet. And thier regen rate really helps with lich timing. Plus there is one thing about being a iksar necromancer. You are not liked anywhere but your hometown and even certain peeps in your home town dislike you. Thats the true heart of a necromancer. feared and hated by all. A dangerous foe with no regard of life besides that of serving him at his will with the raising of undead and live servants they use for errands and lifetaping rituals. And you dont have to worry about weather you ruined faction or not. Not much faction on an iksar.

[Jelro79]

Only bad things with Iksars - don't they take three times longer to level then any other race? :ph34r:

[Scaley Necro]

Originally posted by Jelro79@Dec 16 2003, 05:54 AM
Only bad things with Iksars - don't they take three times longer to level then any other race? :ph34r:
Iksars have a 20% exp penalty...

[Jelro79]

20% penatly would make it 5x slower to level then any other race right?

[Jelro79]

Dark Elf Max Starting int of 134
Erudite Max Starting int of 142
Gnome Max Starting int of 133
Human Max Starting int of 110
Iskar Max Starting int of 110

Doesn't the INT make the NECRO?

Wouldn't it make more sense to choose a race with more starting INT, Humans and Iskars have a low Max Starting Int Of 110 - VS Erudites at 142 - Dark Elf at 134 - and last but not least Gnome's at 133.

[Scaley Necro]

no. Let me put it this way. For every level a gnome gets, an Iksar gets 4/5 of a level. So every 5 levels a gnome gets, an Iksar gets 4 levels. It's not 5x slower, it's just 1/5 of a level more they need to level up...I hope I got my numbers right.

[Jelro79]

The 20% penatly still sucks but still more people so far think Ikky Necro's are the way to go.

[Schaeffer]

This is the way I see it, especially at earlier levels. The Regen helps you tremendously. In my opinion it helps make up for the Mana Pool hit with the INT as well as the XP penalty. WHY? Because the regen helps you can mana back better when used with your lich line so you can kill faster and have less down time.

If an "ick" gnome kills four mobs in the time you kill six, then you made up for the XP penalty and thensome. Iksar's don't level slower if you play them right.

[Shadowmana]

well i really dont think it would help you that much cause no matter what level you are as long as your the same level you regen mana at the same rate it is just that an iksar can sit an regen longer with out HAVING to get up and attack for HPs so they dont kill faster it just makes it a little safer
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[NeSikWay]

there are Int items which exist to increase int. There are even things that help you regen, but unless you are iskar you won't get those til later. Because Iskar can regen, that regen increases with your lvl, and even more with AA. And I don't mock a few points of AC for a necro in his early life, nor the regen. They do make downtime shorter. Swimming at 125 is also really nice. Is it worth the 20% exp? It has been for me. If you are interested in just jumping to lvl 65, then you can choose any other race. Game play when I choose and iskar, Iskar's are the only true worshipers of the god of death, they make the perfect roleplaying a necro.


Some say that the regen/AC/Swimming isn't worth the it that by the time you get to upper lvls none of this matters. I'm lvl 47, I still love my regen, and don't mind those points of AC, and I didn't have to spend hours in the water learning to swim.

But at the end of the day, its up to you, its what race you want to play that matters, if an iskar doesn't appeal to you, or you don't like the idea of an 20% exp pently, don't go with an iskar, go with want you want to have fun with. it is after all a game :)

[Jelro79]

For some reason, The Dark Necro beat the Lighty Necro.

[sintalon]

To be honest the only time that regen has ever played any important factor in my playing or slowed me down is when i have had to FD and lich off after a close encounter with something ugly. At that time i am low on life and low on mana. Mob walks away and now im stuck. That happened to me once. The next day i started getting Stalking probes or whatever they are called and when something like that happens it is no longer an issue really. Again it comes down to what you want to play. I chose gnome. Why? only really cause i was lazy and didnt want to have to deal with factions anywhere. Overall they have decent faction. Other then that as i have mentioned in the past. When a mob hits for 600 or so who cares about 30 regen a tick. its useless. Our HoT's are powerful enough that with proper maintenace you should rarely even have to Lifetap unless you just choose to do extra damage. Like the Zheart the ikky regen is nice for lower levels after that it really is irrelavent and imo shouldnt be a deciding factor for choosing a race.

[Emperson]

Originally posted by Jelro79@Dec 17 2003, 10:47 PM
For some reason, The Dark Necro beat the Lighty Necro.
lighty necro?

jk jk i know what yah mean im just saying... even as a good race we still not good hehe

[warlok34]

I have not played all races for a necromancer, but I have read up on all of them. IMO, the regen makes up for the xp penalty. It allows us to be ready to fight much faster than others when medding, as well as when we have to FD. And at higher levels, please... Iksar regen with AA regen, plus augments and items, we only need to use low level life saps (over time, not instant taps) to keep our health up, which means less mana used. As for faction of Iksars... well, read up on how to change factions with other races. I have only successfully changed faction with one town as of yet, but I'm working on 2 towns at the same time now (Orcs give faction to Faydark and Storm Guard). Can you imagine, an Iksar Necro who is not KOS in as many places as originally born? That totally takes care of choosing race because of faction, tee hee.

[Shazi]

IKSAR enough said.......

[Death's Servent]

All the races are good. Stats doesn't make a race the best, it is how you play that race to the best of your ability. I play a Dark Elf necro on Bristlebane and Iksar necro on Sullon Zek. Yes I am getting more kills then I did with my Dark Elf but I can get the same number of kills if you work on things right. Who cares if the iskar have a better regen and the goodies have more starting int, just play the class to the best of your ability and it will be the best race along side the rest of them.

[Plixnix]

AS of 12/22/03 i'm running a 37gnome nec on The Rathe server and he's great. There isn't that many gnome necros on the rathe and even less ask questions to. So greatful finding this site so I can get questions answered. TY all and gnomes are the best b/c they can tinker and are 3rd highest int. Be safe and Good Luck my fellow death dealers. <_<

[cyberdragon]

I think a iksar is the best the have a great staring city and it is a great place to solo and all iksars are nice to u not like other races that can hate u so that is why i think they are geat!!

[Doomfir]

Seems iksar necros are only really the most vocal race! lol. This thread has been beaten to death in other threads just like it on this site.

Is Iksar regen worth the exp penalty? Only if you believe it is. Otherwise it isn't! :-) Seriously, Necros should be the lease concerned of any class about regen.. but that is what I hear about the most in these threads endorcing them. Play WHATEVER race you want and be happy.

AND please.. lets stop beating this dead horse on what race is the best when there are already too many other threads devoted to the topic.

[Xavier]

Doomfir I agree with you but its already here so its a little late. And you are gonna have to get used to the fact that new people that sign up are not going to go through all the posts to see another which race is better post. That would be like me yelling at all my customers that come into the paintball store and asking me which is the better marker. I dont because its always going to happen and itll happen even if I answered the first customers question with the second customer listening. Hell ask anyways.

As for regen. Regen matters for everyone even at the higher end game. You are raiding and you are with so and so mob that has an ae dot. Tanks die and paladins or sk's are holding agro. A cleric has to go in to get the corpse and needs mana so you follow and get hit with ae. Would you rather regen at the cost of your hp's until ae wears off? Or tap yourself and not feed mana to the cleric? At the cost of the possible raid because you are already in a fubared position if you have to do something like this (which shouldnt be happening) Id rather feed the cleric.

Another example. If I regen 34 a tick and my lich is 36 a tick I can bond my pet with a heal over time and lich without dropping my hp's like a damn rock making me have to tap less. Yes we regen mana back the fastest. But why cast more than you have to. You cast tap 3 times you spend so much mana and have to med/lich it back. Or you can have a high enough regen to tap once and med for less downtime as you regen. Even at higher lvls this matters. At 65 with a 30+ regen I would much rather lose half the hp's of my lich at that point than the 50-60+ hp's a tick.

As for Iksars having the lowest intel. Bah have you looked at EQ lately. Starting stats dont me sh!t anymore. Even if you dont have money, you can make enough in your first 10 lvls to raise it by 18 minimum if you bought an intel 1 item for each slot.

And last but not least I have one more thing about regen. Dont tell me youve never been in a position you notice your pet taking a dive so you dump all your mana to kill the bish and hes managed to hit you a few times or you attempt to help your pet out. So ya 0m and no way to heal yourself. DING! regen.

Oh P.S. the 20% penalty......The penalty doesnt mean crap either with all the new zones plus the new expansion coming out. Plus veksar itself. The penalty doesnt mean crap. And if you want to change that then keep in mind all dungeons are a 15% exp bonus. Breaking you down to only a 5% penalty. Thats why howling stones is such great exp. Its a dungeon. Sol C and lower guk are dungeons. Veksar is a dungeon. Dragon necropolis is a dungeon. Kaesora is a dungeon. Sebilis is a dungeon. Ahkeva is a dungeon. Griegs end is a dungeon. ect............

[Schaeffer]

Have you ever wondered why Ikkys are so vocal. Everyone who plays a Gnome or Darky or Erudite says regen doesn't matter. Maybe you should start an Ikky and see the difference it makes. If you want to play a particular race for Role Playing reasons, then yeah good for you that's fine. Necro's are great regardless of race, I give much props to the human necros. As far as what race makes the necro experience nice and easy, we all really defend the Ikky, and for good reason.

[NeSikWay]

If regen didnt' matter, he wouldn't have 3 points in regen AA, if regen didn't matter then he would use Zheart during down time, there wouldn't be an arguement over Zheart or epic. If regen didn't mater we wouldn't dig up every sta/hp we can find so we can lich some more :)

[Doomfir]

No use arguing bud.. people going to believe what they want. The numbers however dont back up the claim that innate regen matters at the top levels. The only regen is the diff between DE and Iksar which is like 8hps a tick at best and that is at level 65. At level 60+ what is 8hps a tick to a player that has 2500-4400 hps? It is like drops of rain will eventually fill a 2 gallon pail but how long will that take at a drop every 6 seconds?? Get someone to cast regrowth on you and forget you ever heard about innate regen.

It is meaningless. Believe what you want.. and play what you want.

As for you NeSikWay, I put 3 points into regen because I didnt want to put it in resists and you HAVE to have so many points in the first level of AAs to move to the next level. I also didn't say it was MEANINGLESS.. Only that it was trivialized by level. As for my ZHeart.. I DONT use it for the regen. I used to use it for the 20 Int; do I really have to repeat this for every post or you going to read the post better next time? If you are on the nameless I will sell it to you for 40kpp. I don't need it at all anymore since I am maxed at my Int now anyhow without it.

[Jovhato]

I have a 52 de necro and a 21 Erudite necro. I like the fact my Erudite is welcome in more places than the de is.

[NeSikWay]

well my points weren't directed at you Doomfir, but since you directed something at me, my point on most every post is that you should play what you want to and nothing else. you say the numbers don't back it up, then why do you buy sta, int, hp and mana items? its so you have more to lich. If a characters has regen sorry we are providing ourselves with more to lich. you can't tell me the numbers DONT support it. The question was is the xp worth it, well you answered that xp is easy to get these days with all the new zone, and I agree. I do have a Zheart and use it all the time, its mostly because of the +20 int, but I'm not going to turn down the regen on it. It was also on the board, under the AA stuff that innate int is better than regen and run3 that you can produce more mana. So what will I do, I'll do all three, what order I don't know, but I'm not going to NOT put 3 AA point in regen, I'll take every liching hp I can get. So don't sit back and tell me number don't support it or that its MEANLESS, because as far as I'm concern its not meanless and numbers DO support the ikky xp pently. bottom line, is it worth it, damn straight it is, should you play it? Play what you feel like because this is only my opion. Do I mind someone playing another race? NOT at ALL, more power to you if you enjoy that race, there are a number of things I like about gnomes too, they have tinkering, and some really good POK quests that and ikky is going to find very difficult to do, they have newbie armor quest, and can fit in the water way to go to the hole, they have great advatages in dungeons being small, and have wonderful leveling speed. Gnomes are fun and a cuter race that the scalely ikky's. every race has has good points, the reason for the post I made that you directed at me was that people were saying that in the higher lvls it didn't matter, and I don't agree there, it does, but does that make a ikky better? No, its only a personal preferance. and you who also stated this was a useless thread has to point me out, and offer a zheart for 40k!!!! well I do find that an insult for the simple reason that I desist the prices people gouge on others from the bazaar you want me on rant thats the way to hit it, and to a fellow necro...well guess what I've never had a trader, I've never overpriced one thing on any server, and do spell research and combine for fellow necros for free, even providing the words if I have them. I hope to help and enlighten others to beign necros not berate them.

[Anck]

/em continues to beat the dead horse.

I've played 2 necros, a Dark elf I played up to level 29 and my current Iksar necro (level 35). I switched to the iksar after 3 friends of mine, all 65 necros, (two gnomes and the other a dark elf) told me, on separate occasions, that if they had it to do over again they would choose an Iksar. And I have to say that my experience with the iksar has been that leveling is much easier than it was with my Dark Elf. Maybe that's because of the regen, maybe that's because of the AC bonus, and maybe it's just a percieved difference and it's in fact taken the same amount of time and work to level up, or perhaps even more. I don't know. But, I look at it this way, in the end game everyone's pretty much the same. Same level, same equip, etc. I'd rather have some innate abilities that other people and races just can't otherwise get. That's the same reason I used to play an ogre warrior... they're the only race that cannot be stunned from the front. Who really cares about having to kill 1/5 more mobs than everyone else to ding when you can get abilities that are unique to your race? Well you, reading this, might, but I personally do not.

That's just my 2 cents

[Doomfir]

I never said innate regen was worthless.. I said it was trivialized at the upper levels. Does it mean more at the lower levels? Yes.. And did I ever say regen was worthless? No.. I said trivialized by level. At level 60+ it doesnt mean anything to be an iksar. It is the innate difference of regen between lets say a DE and an Iksar which is about 8 hps a tick.. so close to one hp a second. We are NOT talking about regen items etc.. that is something that ANY race can use and if you get allot of regen items ALL races can benefit from it.. but if you are ONLY looking at the race of iksar for the innate regen.. vs any other race innate regen, that is NO reason to play the class!

You could make the arguement in the same way that a Erudite is the best race because iksar Int sux! just like human Int., But I never claimed you should play the Erudite cause of his Int. WHY? because good gear makes up for ALL the differences in race? You can get a bunch of regen items for a DE just like an iksar and have done allot more for your regen rate than the Innate ability itself.

I am adamant about my statements because people who say, I should have been a Iksar cause of the regen don't know shite about the real numbers of the regen at the upper levels and are basing their reason for playing some race on a bunch of hooeee and false information.

My statement stands, play whatever the hell race you want, cause in the end your innate regen isnt going to make any difference in the game, while the gear you wear will make or break you. Hence is also why I said stop the rediculous threads on what race is better.. Play whatever you want and be happy.

As for the ogre warrior used as an example. I totally agree with him about that. I used that very example in another post. The ability to not get stunned from the front is one innate ability that cannot be purchased by any amount of gear etc. and is definitely a reason to only play that race for that ability.

[Jelro79]

Just letting everyone know you converted me, I started an Ikky Necro. I can't find good focus item on Tallon Zek server but got some. I'm listing my magelo profile in the gear section for critism. Hehe

[Azmodun]

i enjoy my gnome nec, i like RP'ing him, and int realy doesnt matter cause its so easy t raise, mine has 232int as for regen i have a robe with regen II and along with solstice earing i have very little down time, so i dont think race matters, i like gnome, no one excpects the lil guy to be pure evil

[Snowdarc]

I play a dark elf.For RP who is more evil? Not a gnome lol..or a lizard.Yeah the ikky's are hated..no matter what class they are.Look at them sheesh =)
It's all about having fun right?
Snowdarc
34 necro
Karana

[Emperson]

going back to the original post, whats the angry face for? lol

[Jelro79]

After much speculation - if a person the ability to get enough AA's, (100+) no race matters. lol :blink:

[Salizarr]

Just out of curiosity.

Let's take into account that in the end, all races are the same, inicial stats no longer matter and every one will have the same equipment.
If Verrant came to you and said: Hey, there is a new necro spell that does the same thing your last lich spell does but it takes 8hp less a tick would you go for it? I would! No, wait! I have that spell!!! It's an iksar only spell called innate regen.

People seem to consider only ticks, sure 8hp a tick doesn't matter. But that will ammount into 80hp a minute more non-ikkies loose, fighting a mob for say 5 mins will ammount into 400hp less. If that mob AEs you, that 400hp might just be enough to save you butt! I mean, isn't HP what keeps you alive?

I don't see why not take a little longer to achieve 65 and have that extra hp on your side then get to 65 faster and be forever without it!

I am a power player, always have been, always will be. So i will always search for the best race/class combo. So in my opinion, that innate regen is something to add for that PP that no other necro race can get.

People have said everything. Play what you like. But since you asked for opinions, here's mine: play an iksar. Unless you really don't like the way they look, or you have that drow-sindrome kinda thing that most people have.

Sal

[Doomfir]

Don't mind being tied for the lowest innate int in the class huh? lol. You are looking at the argument in a one sided way. Same equiptment.. I have higher Int than you = larger manapool. Less need TOO lich. BUT equiptment makes up for the innate regen of iksar... makes up for a lack of innate Int, so again, play whatever you want. This argument is just that.. a stupid argument with no real substance. Just allot of "feelings".

[Jebasiz]

As an iksar the only city you need faction with pre-luclin is Cabilis...and you have that to start with.....

[Salizarr]

I agree with you that this is old talk, but i don't see why people still blind themselves to the fact that no other race, except trolls, can get that high regen and that it does matter.

Everyone cap at the same int with all AA points spent and loads of items, so int is not an issue.
Everyone has the same cap on mana regen and HP regen items.
Everyone get the same benefits from regen/buff spells.
Everything caps, so it doesn't hurt to have that extra regen as an iksar, that's all.

That's where i wanted to get with the above post when i said that in the end we will all be the same.

As for faction, i haven't had any trouble getting where i wanted up to date.

Sal

[NeSikWay]

I would like to give kudo's for my ikky race, I did the hedge walk at 50, and when we got to the last fight, none of my spells would stick, I'm not suprised, but because I could do some heavy regen, I continuely healed the shammies so they could cannie and pawned off my mana to the cleric! so a group of 8 people did the hedge walk a and did the last fight without going OOM. Half way through I lost the spell regen, but was still able to keep up pawning myself to others, it made a huge difference in the battle, I would also move my skelly to help push him around to keep the construct out of the bushes. BTW the shammy was an ikky too.

[Doomfir]

Your innate regen wasnt what made the HUGE difference though bro. I am a DE and was cleric for 75% of an LDoN adventure the other day and while the cleric was LD almost the whole time. It wasnt that I was an iksar that made that difference. It was that I could lich and apply VM (with BA3) to a mob. I was almost FM the whole time, full health, and still dealing spell dmg as well WHILE healing the whole group to boot! This is just the beauty of the class and NOT the race.

The only fact that matters is the raw numbers and I will say this one more time, they are insignificant at 60+ with good gear! I am happy eveyone sees the value in their race and class, but we need to look at this in a factual way and nothing more. The numbers don't lie.