Best Class For The Necromancer

[Emperson]

Ok peeps, we all know that somewhere along the line there has to be a post like this where we all say what our favorite RACE for necro is... so i figured i might as well start it...


My favorite choice: Dark Elf

i would go on and on about why i choose DEs but i dont want to get too into it so maybe ill just edit it into post later... but anywho, tell us what you think... which race is your favorite?

hehe sorry for that race class thing <_<

[Fleea]

Druid

[Vhampyre01]

You should definitely be a fairy...they are teh ub3re5T! Assuming you meant "RACE" and not "CLASS"....

*smacks you on the forehead*

:blink:



V

[Vhampyre01]

Now seriously (http://necro.eqclasses.com/guides/creation.asp)...

I chose gnome for the fun-factor of being a gnome, pretty balanced necro stats, tinkering ability, and who can argue with gnomish sex appeal? :P

Some like dark elves (and this is by far the most popular choice) because of ultra-vision, uberhot chicks, good starting stats, the hide ability, looks good in black...blah blah blah...I wouldn't be a DE simply because it is the overused option.

Another very popular choice is the Iksar race. People that choose Iksar do so mainly for the inherent regen bonus, but another thing to consider is they have the highest xp penalty, which might make lvling a bit more cumbersome...but they have the BEST FD animation, imo. ;)

Humans - don't...just don't.

Erudites - I wouldn't, but some do...to each his/her own, I suppose. Best starting INT of all the races, but who cares about INT, right? RIGHT???

Anyway, bottom line is - be whatever you feel the most comfortable being. It's all about having fun; and in the long run, race really doesn't make THAT big of a difference.



V

[Umbrello]

I chose gnome as well, for origionality. Plus, with gnomes everything is SMALLER! Its kinda funny watching a gnome ride a little pony, or a baby dinosaur. And you sould see how funny their miniature duck staff looks!

Also, I play on the hardcorest of all pvp servers Sullon Zek, and let me tell you, trying to chase down and hit a little ankle biter can be alot harder than any other race due entirely to their size.

Also having your pet tower over you is cool, as well as the fact that when you transform into a skeleton or spectre, youre BIGGER than you were before, instead of smaller like most other races.

[Xveer]

Is the Hide ability a plus when you're playing on a PVP server? Dark Elf are definitely my race of choice because they look sharp and mean. My first EQ character was a Gnome Mage and to tell you the truth and found it really annoying that everything was taller than you <_<

That's my opinion anyways...

- Xveer

[Xarrix]

Hey guys, new guy here hehe.... Well anyways

My necro is a Dark Elf... but if I had to do it all over again id pick

Iksar.

Simple fact is EXP isn't that hard to come by anymore and you can make it to 50 in no time. My necro has like 30 days played and is only like lvl53. My cleric who I just made is about 1 day played+ and is lvl39 =\

But then again Necro was made in Nov00 hehe

Iksar can regen, they look bad ass, and they are PURE EVIL! Thats not to say that Dark Elves aren't but... Iksar damn =)

[Muse Noire]

Vendui (greetings) everyone!
I play on Firiona Vie server because I am a roleplay addicted girl, and my newly created necromancer (november 19), Akordya, is a Teir'Dal who just entered her 7th circle of Shadows. I choose to personify a dark elf not for stats, which are good, nor the skills of hiding and ultravision, but because Teir'Dal as children of the Dark Prince Innoruuk, makes such wonderful and credible necromancers. If it was for the overall end game power I would have created an iksar without a second thought tho. I tried many classes on many servers over the last 3 years but came back to my first love: the masters of death. If you see me or my twin brother Volmort (a RL friend) on FV come take a glass of wine with us, we would be delighted.

Aluve

[Galic the warlock]

Human necro here
I built it as alt and my main could not go too evil cities. I wasa newbie at that time. When i played necro as main I just loved the WOW "I have never seen a human Necro before" comment> :o

[Amheh]

Iksar Necro here..just plane like the race. Have 2 other Iksar char..55 shm..51 bst

[JinqJinxed]

Would have chosen an Iksar if those females didn't wear too much makeup. But i decided to go with Dark Elf. I like the fact that they can look REALLY evil ;)
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[Vavra]

I of cource pay a DE necro, why? because I love dark elves (Drow). they look cool, (i'm a hottie) and to me they represent that which is pure evil...

[Abbadon]

i play a gnome necromancer myself for some originallity and when people make short jokes i can go to skele form

[Slithe]

Iksar bosses any other race for the necro class. The other races just cant hang with an Iksar.

Im not sure if this is confirmed or not, but ive have noticed the DE class has alot stronger pets than an Iksar. However, as far as being able to go the distance, the Iksar is the pick.

[nocto]

Iksar all the way.

Sure our base intell is less, but our regen makes for superior mana usage at higher lvls. Because an iksar regens more hp per tick, thats culminated hp that doesnt have to be replenished by life-tapping means, which in result can be used for other badass DPS purposes ;)
I have heard that if you plan to take your nec to 60 and beyond, iksar is the way to choose, but if you are more of a casual nec player who does not intend to make it that far then DE/Eru/Gnome is a better choice.
Yup.

Noc

[Maihem]

I have seen so many DE, Iksar, and Gnome necros. They are too common, I wanted one that was uncommon.

Behold the Erudite Necro. Having the intel maxed at level 34 is more then a small bonus. Gave me the ability to increase my other stats, saves included.

Maihem
55th level Heritic
Innoruuk Server

[Muse Noire]

Nocto, it all depends on what you want, I see many dark elves beyong level 60 who don't regret choosing their race. Yes the hp regen of Iksar gives them less downtime, they are not stronger then other necro races, just have less downtime on mana regen, which is real cool but not a must with kei being so easy to get. I say it again: not everyone thinks of power,power,power and exp, exp, exp. Many people are looking for an interesting game experience with interraction with other people and things like that. So: I don't agree when you say that if you are looking for a 60+ necro you should go iksar, and 60- other races, but that is oly my humble opinion :)

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by Muse Noire@Nov 24 2003, 03:47 PM
Nocto, it all depends on what you want, I see many dark elves beyong level 60 who don't regret choosing their race. Yes the hp regen of Iksar gives them less downtime, they are not stronger then other necro races, just have less downtime on mana regen, which is real cool but not a must with kei being so easy to get. I say it again: not everyone thinks of power,power,power and exp, exp, exp. Many people are looking for an interesting game experience with interraction with other people and things like that. So: I don't agree when you say that if you are looking for a 60+ necro you should go iksar, and 60- other races, but that is oly my humble opinion :)
:blink:

*cough*

What 60+ necro even thinks about KEI? Heck, what 50+ necro thinks about it???! I mean seriously, dude, a necro standing in line at the local crack-whore should just delete and make a druid or something...that's just sad.

To each his own, I suppose; but dang bro...I personally don't like shelling out plat for something that is inferior to my own mana regen.

So you lose a little hp...OH NOS!!! Get off your butt and pull. I see the lich line as motivation to lvl faster, and the fact that I'm a gnome (not an iksar) means I gotta work even faster...pull or die, ya know?

And believe me, I don't play the power-gamer game that some of these guys play. I'm definitely casual, by definition, but I agree - I don't think anyone creates a toon and says..."eh, I'm only gonna level this character to 56..." Well, I did say that with my cleric, but that's a different story altogether. ;)



V

[Vher]

I have to go with DE. Pure evil, plus wicked coolness.

Human would be my second choice, but the night vision thing is annoying.

I don't have any dislike for iksars, but I personally don't want to be a lizard. :)

Erudites don't really appeal either.

And gnomes, well, I hate gnomes. :D

(hey I'm evil, I'm allowed to hate anybody) :P

[Squigly]

GNOME !!!!!

Yup gnomes all the way. Maybe because of the fact I have 8 gnomes on my account :D

[Nizerns]

Bah all you DE's and Iskars do not know the true power of a Necro.

Erudite here and definately a nice race with a great deal of rp value. I play on rallos zek I have to say erudite. Lots of fun and great to rp with. especially when you have a "goody two shoes" twin brother you fight continuously with to test your metal.

28 necro

"Dam I am tall."

[Doomfir]

Originally posted by Xarrix@Nov 19 2003, 09:23 PM
Hey guys, new guy here hehe.... Well anyways

My necro is a Dark Elf... but if I had to do it all over again id pick

Iksar.

Simple fact is EXP isn't that hard to come by anymore and you can make it to 50 in no time. My necro has like 30 days played and is only like lvl53. My cleric who I just made is about 1 day played+ and is lvl39 =\

But then again Necro was made in Nov00 hehe

Iksar can regen, they look bad ass, and they are PURE EVIL! Thats not to say that Dark Elves aren't but... Iksar damn =)
Iksar can regen~

Yeah.. and that means what when your hitpoints are over 2k-4k? Nada... the regen is nice when you are a noob, but after you get higher in level the regen doesnt mean squat. Why is that? because when a mob can hit you for 200+ dmg then the amount you regen in a fight compared to the damage you can take is a proverbial "drop in the bucket". The only thing you need to decide when you pick a race is who you can identify with... Some iksar, some gnome, some DE. Pick whatever, and be happy.

[Origomali]

DE here, no Iksar (Kunark exp) when I created him but still would've gone DE just due to the fact that when I first played this game on the then brand new server Innoruuk all my friends said I needed to create a character that could group with them easily, remember that pre-PoP thing called faction......aye PoP has negated the real need for that.

Well, left the game for a bit and came to a new server and made him DE. Best time I have ever had playing a comp game and my buds can kiss off.

[Amused]

Originally posted by Doomfir@Nov 25 2003, 09:36 PM

Iksar can regen~

Yeah.. and that means what when your hitpoints are over 2k-4k? Nada... the regen is nice when you are a noob, but after you get higher in level the regen doesnt mean squat. Why is that? because when a mob can hit you for 200+ dmg then the amount you regen in a fight compared to the damage you can take is a proverbial "drop in the bucket". The only thing you need to decide when you pick a race is who you can identify with... Some iksar, some gnome, some DE. Pick whatever, and be happy.
I don't know about your bro, but at level 50+ when you have 2k-4khp, I wouldn't be tanking mobs =P. Yeah a mob might hit you once in a while sure, but you make it seem as if a necro is a tank. Regen means a lot when you're turning HP into mana. I had a 61 iksar beastlord and was regenning 28hp per tick (with bst crack) while sitting. I do believe that being an iksar will cut down your "OOM"'s and your downtime altogether due to the regen.

Then again thats just my 2 cp =P

[Tudaile]

Gnome Necro here also, not too many of them around so I thought I would play them and the chicks think I'm cute too! =D

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by Amused+Nov 26 2003, 01:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amused @ Nov 26 2003, 01:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Doomfir@Nov 25 2003, 09:36 PM

Iksar can regen~

Yeah.. and that means what when your hitpoints are over 2k-4k? Nada... the regen is nice when you are a noob, but after you get higher in level the regen doesnt mean squat. Why is that? because when a mob can hit you for 200+ dmg then the amount you regen in a fight compared to the damage you can take is a proverbial "drop in the bucket". The only thing you need to decide when* you pick a race is who you can identify with... Some iksar, some gnome, some DE. Pick whatever, and be happy.
I don't know about your bro, but at level 50+ when you have 2k-4khp, I wouldn't be tanking mobs =P. Yeah a mob might hit you once in a while sure, but you make it seem as if a necro is a tank. Regen means a lot when you're turning HP into mana. I had a 61 iksar beastlord and was regenning 28hp per tick (with bst crack) while sitting. I do believe that being an iksar will cut down your "OOM"'s and your downtime altogether due to the regen.

Then again thats just my 2 cp =P [/b][/quote]
You might be surprized to know that many necros DO tank at high lvls. Touch of Mujaki coupled with Forceshield and a good hitpoint pool a necro can make a very viable off-tank for adds, especially if the mob is slowed. I know a lot of necros who do this regularly.

I'm sure the regen of an iksar is nice, and I'm sure it helps...heck, every little bit helps! But iksar is not the end-all/be-all of choices for the class. In the long run the decision is strictly a matter of tastes, which is what Doomfir is saying, I believe.



V

[Amused]

I didn't realize that necro's tanked... well if thats the case then what doomfir said is correct. I admit my ignorance of high level casters =P

Anyhow, I do agree with you guys though, be whatever class suits your needs =)

[Slitherclaw]

My first nec was human believe it or not. Don't know what I was thinking but I got him to 44 before I decided to do it all over with a diff race. So I picked Iksar and I got him to 50. To be honest with you I don't notice the exp penalty anymore. My vote is for Iksar got to love that regen throw in a few regen items and you'll hardly notice your liched.

Slitherclaw

Xegony

[Yil]

I agree that the best race is what ever suites your play-style best.

I play an Eurdite on my server (VS). Yes, the night vision sucks big hairy things but you grow to live with it and I spend most of my time in Lich form anyway when doing anything fun.

About the tanking thing - I'm level 65 with about 40 or so AA's (so not uber but have a vague idea what I'm talking about) and in certain circumstances I do find myself tanking. So a word of advice to those younger - keep your melee skills maxed. It WILL save your life! ;)

[myndless of tallon]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01+Nov 26 2003, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vhampyre01 @ Nov 26 2003, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Amused@Nov 26 2003, 01:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Doomfir@Nov 25 2003, 09:36 PM

Iksar can regen~

Yeah.. and that means what when your hitpoints are over 2k-4k? Nada... the regen is nice when you are a noob, but after you get higher in level the regen doesnt mean squat. Why is that? because when a mob can hit you for 200+ dmg then the amount you regen in a fight compared to the damage you can take is a proverbial "drop in the bucket". The only thing you need to decide when* you pick a race is who you can identify with... Some iksar, some gnome, some DE. Pick whatever, and be happy.
I don't know about your bro, but at level 50+ when you have 2k-4khp, I wouldn't be tanking mobs =P. Yeah a mob might hit you once in a while sure, but you make it seem as if a necro is a tank. Regen means a lot when you're turning HP into mana. I had a 61 iksar beastlord and was regenning 28hp per tick (with bst crack) while sitting. I do believe that being an iksar will cut down your "OOM"'s and your downtime altogether due to the regen.

Then again thats just my 2 cp =P
You might be surprized to know that many necros DO tank at high lvls. Touch of Mujaki coupled with Forceshield and a good hitpoint pool a necro can make a very viable off-tank for adds, especially if the mob is slowed. I know a lot of necros who do this regularly.

I'm sure the regen of an iksar is nice, and I'm sure it helps...heck, every little bit helps! But iksar is not the end-all/be-all of choices for the class. In the long run the decision is strictly a matter of tastes, which is what Doomfir is saying, I believe.



V [/b][/quote]
ha you are kidding me, your necro friends must be total noobs, where i xp i xp alone or with another necro or another kiter that kites when i get sick of it... but i dont even xp anymore... and those mobs hit for 900 and con red, plane of fire picnic tables.... i self buff up to 4.9k hitpoints and would never consider off tanking one of those slowed =) but if i did luckily i can rezz myself =)



Lich Myndless Zombie - Pandemonium - Tallon Zek

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=638431

[Lyndark]

DE for me.

But, if I had to repick, would go for Iksar... I'm desperate for Regen items/augments. Wasting mana to tap is darn annoying.

[Dravlien]

I'd say Dark Elves because you get to be evil but you are liked by at leats the ogres and trolls, if you are an iksar you hate everyone and everyone hates you. I started a iksar necro and i couldnt go to anywhere that had guards in it

Dravlien
Lvl 13 Necromancer

[Dravlien]

I'd say Dark Elves because you get to be evil but you are liked by at least the ogres and trolls, if you are an iksar you hate everyone and everyone hates you. I started a iksar necro and i couldnt go to anywhere that had guards in it

Dravlien
Lvl 13 Necromancer

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by myndless of tallon+Nov 28 2003, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (myndless of tallon @ Nov 28 2003, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Vhampyre01@Nov 26 2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Amused@Nov 26 2003, 01:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Doomfir@Nov 25 2003, 09:36 PM

Iksar can regen~

Yeah.. and that means what when your hitpoints are over 2k-4k? Nada... the regen is nice when you are a noob, but after you get higher in level the regen doesnt mean squat. Why is that? because when a mob can hit you for 200+ dmg then the amount you regen in a fight compared to the damage you can take is a proverbial "drop in the bucket". The only thing you need to decide when* you pick a race is who you can identify with... Some iksar, some gnome, some DE. Pick whatever, and be happy.
I don't know about your bro, but at level 50+ when you have 2k-4khp, I wouldn't be tanking mobs =P. Yeah a mob might hit you once in a while sure, but you make it seem as if a necro is a tank. Regen means a lot when you're turning HP into mana. I had a 61 iksar beastlord and was regenning 28hp per tick (with bst crack) while sitting. I do believe that being an iksar will cut down your "OOM"'s and your downtime altogether due to the regen.

Then again thats just my 2 cp =P
You might be surprized to know that many necros DO tank at high lvls. Touch of Mujaki coupled with Forceshield and a good hitpoint pool a necro can make a very viable off-tank for adds, especially if the mob is slowed. I know a lot of necros who do this regularly.

I'm sure the regen of an iksar is nice, and I'm sure it helps...heck, every little bit helps! But iksar is not the end-all/be-all of choices for the class. In the long run the decision is strictly a matter of tastes, which is what Doomfir is saying, I believe.



V
ha you are kidding me, your necro friends must be total noobs, where i xp i xp alone or with another necro or another kiter that kites when i get sick of it... but i dont even xp anymore... and those mobs hit for 900 and con red, plane of fire picnic tables.... i self buff up to 4.9k hitpoints and would never consider off tanking one of those slowed =) but if i did luckily i can rezz myself =)



Lich Myndless Zombie - Pandemonium - Tallon Zek

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=638431 [/b][/quote]
lolz...quoting is fun!

ps. and yea, my friends are all n00bs and you have a really big penis! big big penis! you da man!

/bow
/kneel
/worship

feel better now?


V

[NeSikWay]

I've played a gnome necro, and a DE necro, in fact tried several race/caster combos to find out which one I liked best, I hated them all expect one, the Necro Iskar, those take the cake :)

who better to deal in death but those who worship death itself. Because without life there is no death, and iskars can surely dish it out in style.

And others are correct I think the female iskar is totally dorkie looking, so I play a male iskar. Yes one of the few RL females playing a male character.

but its great, I can FD, and heal. Wouldn't trade my race for any other.


Nesikway Uldifurme
Necromancer of the 44th circle of Death.

name out lined for the slow: aNy(E) Sick Way yoU'Ll DIe For(fur) ME

[Umbrello]

Originally posted by NeSikWay@Dec 1 2003, 06:47 PM
I've played a gnome necro, and a DE necro, in fact tried several race/caster combos to find out which one I liked best, I hated them all expect one, the Necro Iskar, those take the cake :)

who better to deal in death but those who worship death itself. Because without life there is no death, and iskars can surely dish it out in style.

And others are correct I think the female iskar is totally dorkie looking, so I play a male iskar. Yes one of the few RL females playing a male character.

but its great, I can FD, and heal. Wouldn't trade my race for any other.


Nesikway Uldifurme
Necromancer of the 44th circle of Death.

name out lined for the slow: aNy(E) Sick Way yoU'Ll DIe For(fur) ME
What do you mean you can FD and heal? This isnt some ikksar only ability is it? They can regen and swim well, but thats the only natural abilities i know of.

A female playing a male char, heheh kinda funny :) and yes, rare too!

So damn many males playing female chars...I just automatically assume all female chars are actually males so I dont accidently flirt with them or something.

[NeSikWay]

yeah, all necro's can heal, I was comparing it to other pure caster classes (enc, mage, wiz) and a quick way out FD.

and yes the 125 in swim is really nice to have too :)

But the extra AC, regen and still can see in the dark make the iskar very much worth the extra exp you have to get for them.



Nesikway Uldifurme
Officer of Tel'Faenor
Necromancer of the 44th circle of Death.

[glandeen]

I personally prefer DE's. I have tried an iksaar and gnome also and IMHO i didnt like 1 staring at everythings kneecaps and 2 i HATE when i cant find my way out of my home town. ad now with LDON regen items/augs arent as rare as they once were. I have regen 3 in AA's a cloak with regen 1 a belt with regen 1 and two regen 2 augments. just my 2CP

[vbcypher]

I would say Gnome. Let me explain.

Create a Gnome. Add 25 points to STA, 5 to STR. OK fine, 5 to INT if your really desperate to play with your main stat.


Of all the Necromancer possible characters the two best choices are Iksary for regen and Gnome for balance.

But a Gnome with 25 STA will kick an Iksar in the nuts.

HP is always KING, don't let anyone ever fool you, regardless of class. But in the case of necromancer's it means being able to lich longer, being able to get hit longer and more often without phasing us or causing "sissy syndrome".

So 25 points in STA and always making sure your gear has HP / STA on it when you gear up...what else is there to say? Oh, INT...yea, i knew you were going to mention that. Well, if you didn't already know, here's a secret. PRIMARY STAT ITEMS ARE SUPER CHEAP. HP / STA items == $$$. When you finally realize you need HP / STA you're paying through the nose for it.

At LVL-54 I currently have 2000 HP unbuffed and 248 INT unbuffed. Twinked? You bet. How? I'm a Gnome...I CAN TINKER. Tinkering has to be one of the fastest turn arounds on profit once you can make minimizing devices and such. I can put 20 of those buggers on my mule for 1000pp each and sell them all in 24 hours.

Still thinking about that Iksar for the regen? Look at his base INT, and realize...when you're getting Quaded for 1000 DMG per, which is more important, more HP **AND** INT or being able to regen an extra 2HP per tick?

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by vbcypher@Dec 2 2003, 08:47 PM
I would say Gnome. Let me explain.

blah blah blah...

But a Gnome with 25 STA will kick an Iksar in the nuts.

blah blah blah...
Uhm, you are mistaken. You can NOT be a gnome. Unless you are the Van Damme of gnomes, gnomes can only reach slightly above the knee on an iksar with a kick, so I'm afraid I'm gonna have to call BS on this one! :P

[Rayneskie]

well i made a Gnome Necro. My roommate and i made necros at the same time, i named mine Minuz his is Pllus. same gear and everything, just to annoy people.
I truly believe in play the race ya like cos in high end game it isnt that big of a deal anyway. Inkies are always cool, was my first choice as i have too many tiny chars as it is but the gnomes are funny, we RP them as brothers who agrue and fight alot (we kill each other at least once a day)
and with gnomes we get Tinkering, nothing like raising cain in PoK with a ton of fireworks.
Most important HAVE FUN and enjoy your char, and anytime ya can twink a char go for it.

[vbcypher]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01@Dec 3 2003, 02:20 PM
Unless you are the Van Damme of gnomes, gnomes can only reach slightly above the knee on an iksar with a kick, so I'm afraid I'm gonna have to call BS on this one! :P
LOL. My first character in the game was a Gnome Wizard, long retired, but just rerolled as a mage this time...named...

Gneil Lieng

It's a double pun. Lieng == Gneil backwards, and Gneil Lieng sounds like "Kneeling" because four years ago everyone would /DUCK to look at me...and it was aggrevating as all hell.

All my alts are gnomes, and they all share the same last name and are known as "The Brothers Lieng"

[Schaeffer]

Ikky's rule for foraging, screw all that regen crap

[Christed]

int and exp cut have very little importance when you are able to chain pull and remain FM or damn near it... on SZ there is 20% exp bonus so the 80%iksar cut is made up for.. i exp like a bluebie newbie DE necro, and fight 10 times more viciously.
iksar all the way for me :ph34r:
...and lets not forget every regen point counts.. an extra 4 hp means 40 hp spared over 10 ticks.. and so on.. but the way i see it.. the less your own lich effects you, the better the deal is
i'd rather take 30 dmg for 60~ mana than around 50 for it!
i havent calculated this but trust me.. every regen point is worth!
:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[ssyruk]

Iksar hands down. Sure they have the big exp penalty and are KOS almost everywhere but the regen more than makes up for it. This helps aout a ton when you have CoB or Lich up.

[vbcypher]

Originally posted by ssyruk@Dec 4 2003, 03:52 PM
Iksar hands down. Sure they have the big exp penalty and are KOS almost everywhere but the regen more than makes up for it. This helps aout a ton when you have CoB or Lich up.
But if you have less INT and STA then you have less HP and MANA than a Gnome with 90 STA and 110 INT to start. Which means you are getting your extra regen to offset your Lich...but I lich MUCH less often, and when I *do* Lich, I can stay in lich form longer without having to tap something for HP again.

Right now, at LVL-54 my Gnome Necro has 2000 HP unbuffed. I bought INNATE REGEN 3 so i'm at 5HP per tick regen right now anyways. By Sunday (07DEC03) I will have a Dark Phylactery which is unlimited charges of an instant clickie 4 HP Regen Spell. So if i always keep that up (not hard to do) I would have constant 9HP Regen Tick.

Sure, an Ikky could constantly beat me down with Regen if he got both of the same..but I bet it would be a lot harder for him to have the same AND 214 STA and 248 INT (unbuffed).

The "penalty" you take as being an Ikky Necro has almost nothing to do with the XP and it's more of the STA to INT ratios.

TOTAL HP is king, not your ability to REGEN it. Besides, who the hell cares what your regen is when you're getting quad'd for around 500++ HP per round?

[Vhampyre01]

I just thought I'd share some information from 'the other necro site' about this question, because I feel that it covers the topic very thoroughly. The information can be found in this thread. (http://necro.eqclasses.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=8740)

Question: What race should I choose when starting Necromancer?

Answer:
Any of the Necromancer races can make a good level 1 to 65 necromancer, and there is therefore no 'bad' choice. In my opinion (currently valued at $.02) the things to consider are:




Choosing the Iksar race for improved Hit Point regeneration (VERY useful for keeping downtime to a minimum) or not. The chart at the end of this posting shows the exact hit point regeneration for each race, but basically the Iksar necromancer regenerates hit points at least twice as fast as all other races. The downside to Iksars is the 20% experience penalty (yes, you need to achieve 20% more kills per level). I'm not going to make a recommendation to you - you either decide to accept the slower levelling, but less frustrating sitting on your backside whilst regaining mana and hitpoints - or not.


Choosing a race that is accepted in at least some cities other than their hometown. If the Necromancer is your first character then you might want to take this factor into consideration. Any race may always do (sometimes very timeconsuming) faction work to gain entry to any city, but for an Everquest neophyte you might find this an offputting aspect of the game. For this reason, choosing a Necromancer as your first character might not be a good idea, but some Necromancer races are far more accepted than others.


Aesthetic appeal. Maybe one race appeals to you more than any other. Maybe you think the blue Dark Elf looks cool, or the berobed female Erudite looks to be in a class of her own. You are potentially going to be spending months or even years playing this character - so make sure you are happy looking in the mirror.




One of the key stats for Necromancers is intelligence, and whilst this posting will give specific information for each race, it should not be a factor in your decision-making. All races have enough intelligence to provide a good base mana pool. Necromancers excel at mana generation, so whatever your base intelligence is, you'll do just fine.

Another factor to how easy a race is to play is how accessible vendors and banks are. As mentioned earlier, faction used to play a large part of playability, but now that all casters may bind at the Firepots (kudos to Morty for this info) this is far less important. Hunt across the land, and gate back at will to your home city for supplies and banking.

There are currently five races to choose from when becoming a Necromancer. The following is a list of positive and negative aspects. In alphabetical order:

Dark Elf

Base Statistics

Strength: 60
Stamina: 65
Dexterity: 85
Agility: 90
Intelligence: 109
Charisma: 60

Night Vision: Yes
Starter Hunting Ground Quality: Average
Hated: Accepted Neriak, outpost in The Overthere, Grobb, Ogguk, evil part of Freeport, Qeynos Sewers, Thurgadin. Caution should always be used even when entering non-'Kill-on-Sight' cities, as there are usually differening factions within zones.

Comment:
A decent set of stats with quite good (for a necromancer) melee stats helps to raise the DE Necro through the early melee levels. Ignore the low Stamina - Stamina is NOT an important base statistic for Necromancers (even at level 60, an extra 10 Stamina wil only gain you 22 or so HP)

The Neriak starting location is also worth mentioning. Neriak is fairly centrally located in the known world, and is therefore a good starting point for most journeys.

Erudite

Base Statistics

Strength: 60
Stamina: 70
Dexterity: 80
Agility: 70
Intelligence: 117
Charisma: 70

Night Vision: No
Starter Hunting Ground Quality: Poor
Hated: Accepted in home city, Kelethin, Felwithe, Neriak, The Overthere, & Freeport (most of it)

Comment:
Not a popular choice, but does provide the highest base intelligence. As mentioned, the high starting intelligence is not a major factor. The starter hunting area (Paineel gardens) is reported to be quite acceptable, and nearby zones provide ample targets for hunting as your level increases.

Lack of night vision is another negative, but don't forget that necro's receive a sight enhancing spell at level 8.

Gnome

Strength: 60
Stamina: 70
Dexterity: 95
Agility: 85
Intelligence: 108
Charisma: 60

Night Vision: Yes
Starter Hunting Ground Quality: Good
Hated: One of the more widely accepted Necromancers - if being hated everywhere would worry you then this is a race to consider.

Comment:
Short and sexy. Short races can be a little frustrating at times due to their lower point of view, but again this is not a major factor. There's no disputing that Gnome Necro's are babe-magnets. The starter hunting area has good visibility and plenty of targets.

Gnomes have the added benefit of being able to practice the Tinkering skill.

Human

Base Statistics

Strength: 75
Stamina: 75
Dexterity: 85
Agility: 75
Intelligence: 85
Charisma: 75

Night Vision: No
Starter Hunting Ground Quality: Good
Hated: As with the Gnome, accepted in more locations than most Necro's

Comment:
Average stats across the board (no weaknesses), no night vision (but 'deadeye' takes care of this at level 8). Not a lot to be said - Joe Average. Good starter hunting grounds provide plentiful targets for the first few levels, good visibility and nearby guards.



Base Statistics

Strength: 70
Stamina: 70
Dexterity: 95
Agility: 90
Intelligence: 85
Charisma: 55

Night Vision: Yes
Starter Hunting Ground Quality: The best starter area in the game.
Hated: Everywhere except home. This can actually be viewed as a positive thing - you never need to worry about faction, hunt anywhere (on the other hand, you must always be invisible/careful when passing through other cities).

Comment:Iksar
Starts with swimming skill 100 (nice to have, but generally unimportant) and the ability to forage for food and water in a limited fashion (skill both starts and is locked at 50).

The Iksar Necromancer also receives bonus to AC (they take less damage when hit) and the highest Dex and Agi of any Necromancer class (with gnomes and Dark Elevels close behind), so levelling through the early seasons (when all classes have to melee) is easier - and permits the Iksar Necromancer to tank for his/her pet that little bit longer.

A significant negative feature is a 20% penalty to experience. Verant introduced this penalty to balance the major positive feature of improved hit point regeneration (see the table below).

Realistically you will not notice the XP penalty until the middle to end game due to the excellent starting area (Field of Bone, followed by Kurns tower), however you will notice the improved HP regeneration (Iksar Necromancers regenerate hit points at at least twice the rate of all other races).

Experience point data extracted by nefarious means shows that when a (for example) Erudite Necro reaches level 60, an Iksar Necromancer with the same amount of experience will be on level 58.5, so the penalty by then will have resulted in just one and a half levels difference.

Travelling outside Kunark for the young Iksar Necromancer can be dangerous - the closest Luclin spire is located in the Deathlands (a medium to high level zone) and travel to the closest port (The Overthere) is done via Warswick Woods - a low level zone, but dangerous until invisibility is available at level 8. If you own the Planes of Power expansion then this is not an issue due to the PoK book situated in the Field of Bone.

Necromancer Regen Table

Races fall into two camps - Iksar, and non-Iksar. Here are the details:

Levels 1 through 19
Non Iksar - 1/tick standing, 1/tick FD, 2/tick sitting
Iksar - 2/tick standing, 2/tick FD, 4/tick sitting

Levels 20 through 49
Non Iksar - 1/tick standing, 1/tick FD, 3/tick sitting
Iksar - 2/tick standing, 2/tick FD, 6/tick sitting

Level 50
Non Iksar - 1/tick standing, 1/tick FD, 4/tick sitting
Iksar - 2/tick standing, 2/tick FD, 8/tick sitting

Levels 51 through 55
Non Iksar - 2/tick standing, 3/tick FD, 5/tick sitting
Iksar - 6/tick standing, 8/tick FD, 12/tick sitting

Levels 56 through 59
Non Iksar - 3/tick standing, 4/tick FD, 6/tick sitting
Iksar - 10/tick standing, 12/tick FD, 16/tick sitting

Level 60
Non Iksar - 4/tick standing, 5/tick FD, 7/tick sitting
Iksar - 12/tick standing, 14/tick FD, 18/tick sitting

Level 61+
Unknown at this time.

That whole thread is very informative, even if some of the information is out-of-date now. I'd suggest every necro read thru it at least once. ;)

[Gnomber]

Hey guys,

Newb to the board, and so far, I think it rocks. I am the exclusive Gnome in my guild Dusk Eternal (on ayonae ro). I have 43 Gnomish Wizzy, and my 20 Necro Gnome (its awesome BTW to see that there are other gnome necros out there B) )

Necro Gnomes (Gnecromes?) are by far the most fun to play. No one ever expects that the tiny little gnome will ever be a harbringer of death, evil and PAIN. You constantly have your skinny big brother at your back, towering over you(RP-ing idea of the day: Someone cracks a short joke whilst in a grp? Cast voice graft onto your pet..."I dont think you want to be insulting him..." followed my skelly style insane giggling). What is better than at lvl 19, when you get the spell "Tiny Companion" then go running into battle with a horde of Patogs; just the tiny little gnome, and his newly Gnome sized skelly pet. Guaranteed entertainment.


My Wizzy, whilst being a much higher lvl than my Necro, deals out dmg like candy bars at a weight watchers. However, the fact is that necro's are much better put together class. They can solo (like a muther-f***er), snare, debuff, buff, gate to a safe point, restore their own mana, and then heal themselves, and my fav spell so far, Feign Death. I got my necro up to 20 in like, 4 days. Freakin insane. I look forward to further adventures with my Gnome, and seeing more of my brethern out in the planes.


Gnomber PileofBones
Gnomish Necromancer of the 20th Sacrifice
Dusk Eternal
-Gnomercy-