Soandso twitches

[Zerkin]

Rapacious Subversion
Covetous Subversion
Sedulous Subversion

Im currently level 51, Now I use Covetous Subversion lots in LDoN groups, it just makes life easier. My question is, do mana preservation items work on these spells?

If so, what ones do you guys think are obtainable by me.









(side note: are there any BA 4 items I can get? I have codain millitary bracer ATM)

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Zerkin@Dec 30 2003, 07:29 PM
My question is, do mana preservation items work on these spells?
Good Question, I've never taken the time to check, will look into it ASAP.

[KarmaKeeper]

looking at the wording of the text for the focus effect mana preservation :

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=3537

i see that yes, mana preservation should work on twitch. it does not fall within the restriction guidelines as it is nither a complete heal nor a percentage heal, but in fact a set number like a normal heal spell (but for your mana bar! =)

also i notice any of the preservation of the gods (mithaniel, solusek, xegony, or the akheva, etc) should stack in addition regular mana preservation. however i cant speak from first hand experience, and obtaining any of those preservation items is not probable without a raiding guild

[DogMeat]

mana preservation does work on on twitch line of spell, used to work for me all the time but it stopped now sine all i got is mana pres 2 and my new twitch is over lev 44 spell so I need to get something with mana pres 3 or 4.

[Xanthea]

The answer is yes.I personally use a obuluos(sp) death shroud with mana pres 3 and it does list the effect when casting twitch and while I have not done any kind of test i do notice a slight reduction in mana use when I have it on and twitch.

[Schaeffer]

I tested it out, and it does work, however, it only saves you 10% on a 400 mana spell which is 40mana. So cast it 10 times and you save yourself an extra cast, but then again every little bit helps!

[Xavier]

Well I use Covetous and rapacious when im in groups. Why because the recast time is different on both. You cast Cov then when spells pop up you cast rapacous. And then back to cov. Yes you dump all your mana for the person needed. But the faster you dump it the faster you get to medding it back with lich. Less downtime more full clerics. If you use the higher ones use sub then cov and rotate accordingly.

[Dalemar]

I HATE being twitch b*tch. There are too many other classes that see us necros and nothing but batteries, and I can't stand it. Necromancers have just as much to do with their mana as other classes, and the fact that we regen ours faster doesn't give them some right to taking our mana.

Ok, now that I've ranted, I'll clarify something. If we're in a desperate situation, such as too many mobs and mezz isn't cutting it, I have no problem twitching the cleric to keep the group alive. I see twitch as I see a parachute. Emergency only, plane going down save us all. Then I am more than happy to pump, as I do understand the need for the cleric to keep the tanks standing there, keeping the mobs off the pure casters. I personally can take a hit or two, but I understand some casters cannot.

The problem comes when other casters get greedy, demanding twitch just so they can continue to be inefficient with their mana and spend mine. I've actually had a shaman ask for a twitch before, in a low-danger environment, he'd just cast too much and wanted more mana. Shaman can create mana faster than we can, just takes some effort. I told him no, med if he needs mana, he can get it faster than me. He seemed clueless, which told me he didn't know much about shaman anyway. Shame to see really =(

Just my opinion. Let's hope someday others will see Necro's for the powerhouse we are, not the fuel tank we CAN be. =)

[Jebasiz]

I tested it out, and it does work, however, it only saves you 10% on a 400 mana spell which is 40mana. So cast it 10 times and you save yourself an extra cast, but then again every little bit helps!

That depends completely on your active preservation(s) item. If it seems to flash/shimmer when you twitch... I always took that as a sign that it's working.

LMAO dale...I've never had a shaman ask me for a twitch, with the possible exception of a rezzed shaman during a raid(the only shaman at the time) which I could understand. I don't mind twitching chanters(occasionally) nor do I mind twitching the healers. Mage while coh'ing...maybe. Other then that it's just a complete waste of my mana to compensate for people who can't manage their own. Even twitching enchanters is kinda on a "moment of weakness" there's always root, and that doesn't cost 400m.

Jeb

[NeSikWay]

well, I don't twitch shammy, I'll give them some of my health (less of my mana, and being an ikky can regen it faster than mana). I'll twitch under two conditions, the first being, healer needs a med break, or puller does for mana. I'll twitch if I'm at full mana so we don't ahve as much down time. I do find my necro very mana effiention and use mana when I need to, and interrupt spell to save mana if it won't help. If a healer I'll twitch til we are at the same mana lvl and we med up together. If I'm grouping with people higher lvl, or mobs are highly resistant to my spells, I would rather someone make use of my mana rather than not do anything, so I'll give it away. I will also be generous when there has been a group or raid wipe.

I don't like being part of a group and someone demanding mana, they need to use mana better, especially and exp group.

Twitching is NOT the best use of our mana, nor should it be why we are in a group, it has it usages and has a strengh, but is not our sole purpose in life of EQ. Nor should it ever be demanded, in anything except a raid situation, and only then as a preplaned thing that has to be done to sucessed in the raid.


I don't mind doing it, but necros know their mana usage and they should be the ones that plan when its best to use that unless in a raiding environment.

[Torathe]

Hey all of you "evil" folks, ever play in an all Necro group? When two or more
Necros with mana preservation cooperate you can really gen mana fast. Just
have the Necros twitch each other, kinda like passing an ever growing mana ball
back and forth.

Another cute trick is to have your group's wizzy cast his Eye of Zomm and you
can target it and then leach it. The eye disappears almost immediately but you
can lich you mana back and regen HP just as if you were tapping a mob. Now
you can do light healing for free and when done you can twitch the wizzy to payback him for his Eye of Zomm. Cuts down on downtime, I use it a lot in LDoN groups when a Wizard is in the group. Necros Rock!!!!

Torathe (the drunken master)
55 Necro on Veeshan

[NeSikWay]

Nice trick, thanks for the info Torathe

[Vaelhan]

I love those tricks, use them all the time, another cool trick to cut down on the ammount of time in an all necro group when agro kiting is play agro ping pong, just have everyone set up in a diff position and have the puller start off with snare, then someone cast a bit more of an agro enducing spell such as ebolt or another psn dot and they'll gain agro, rinse repeat for all 6 chars, this way no one runs around and you can sit and med the whole fight except when you cast your dots, since all necro dots stack now it helps out a hell of a lot.



Vaelhan Hemafier- Tunare

[Jebasiz]

Torathe why would you twitch another necro? Every time you twitch 200-300 mana goes up in smoke, it's wasted completely. The thing I enjoy most about our class is our ability to be very efficient over long periods of time. A top geared necro can sustain (pretty much indifinitely) 200-260 dps, pending mob resists and situational nuances. You can add pet dps to that, WTD and any other dps augmentations you have, and you have an incredibly efficient killing machine who's performance doesn't fall off like other casters do. Twitching another necro defeats that entirely.

I do agree necro groups are fun....One necro darknesses, you all stack dots, send pets...and whoever has agro kites while the rest med, standing or sitting, on mounts or not...typicall group in my experience:

1 darkness+ 6horrors+6 Blood of thules"+ 6 funeral pyre's+ 6 pets=a ton of dmg(around 8-9k per round if you all have BA4)Use saryrn's kiss as needed to replinesh hps. Those 3 dots, meditating while they're working, then simply refreshing won't really hurt your manabars with seduction of saryrn.

Jeb

[Persephonae]

As to what Mana Pres 3 items are available, Zerkin, a cheaper alternative to the ODS is the Crystalline Torque which on my server runs 7-8K as opposed to the 15-18K on an ODS..

[Torathe]

Necros twitching each other,,, sounds kinky. This is only good when power leveling new recruits or if both necros have mana preservation items. If both
necros are using mana preservation items and they twitch each other they each gain the mana preservation bonus after the casting. In other words we each spend 360 mana to give each other a 400 mana boost. Now the recast time is a bit long but gaining 40 mana per cast isn't bad. All in all you gain about 200 mana a minute. Now as long as Sony doesn't nerf this little exploit.....

Torathe
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Pottery (8)

[Hexia]

Actually the mana saving when a mana preservation item is not that big.

ODS is upto 10 % mana saved. In fact it is a random nr between 1 -10 % saved, so the overall savings is more like 6 %.

Also when you twich someone using 400 mana to twich them, they only recive 150 mana. So no it can never be worth twich another necro, its just plan stupid to do that.

[Doomfir]

Yep.. twitching another necro wont add up to more mana for either at all. The only time this should be done is to get a recently rezd necro up and running faster.

Now as far as shadowbonding to another necro that is another story. I have been in fast paced necro groups where one necro is getting pounded on and cant get a lifetap off and the other necros might bond to him to keep him up. Or if a necro didnt get off saryn's kiss while another one did and the one that didn't needs the life to lich more mana.