Mana Dumping

[NecroBunny]

I was wondering at what point you guys start mana dumping the clerics? I normally try to start dumping them with mana when they hit 40m so I can cast enough times to give them a few extra CH spells.

Also, I like to mana dump the Paladins so that they can stun more often.

Lastly, do you like to keep two mana dump spells memmed so that you avoid the recasting delays?

[Abbadon]

I usually dump mana at 40% myself as well sometimes at 60% so we can keep chain pulls goin and i usually only keep the best give mana spell scribed

[Beltathor]

Personally... I only keep one mana dump up, and cast when requested.. but, I also have the group mana tap memmed because the recast time is so long.

Beltathor

[Xarrix]

Honestly, it depends.

I usually ask the cleric to tell me when they want mana. If im doing LDoN and the group is decent, I only mana twitch if some caster takes aggro and dies and cleric needs mana to rez and so forth.

As for raiding, I don't do anything else than pump. I let pet attack, I sit there in lich, tap once and a while, and then pump some more.

But I usually don't pump unless the cleric is around 20m, unless they ask otherwise.

Sometimes the Enchanter needs mana and gotta pump him too.

[Vhampyre01]

Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



V

[Zaniss]

Folks, I dont want to come across as an A$$ but damn Necromancers are a DPS class. It makes no sense to give your mana away unless it is to your advantage to do so. Please don't be a twitch bitch for your guild it only perpetuates the myth that necro's are only good to pump mana. We are one of the top damage classes in the game. Put away the Prima strategy guide and be all you can be!

[Xarrix]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 07:33 AM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



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Pets don't go OOM. Its more of a proc.

[Beltathor]

I fully agree Zaniss! Our guild <Collection of One> on Tribunal, keeps tallies of DPS put out and total damage per raid boss. It shocks people when I can put out 750 damage per tick (plus pet).

That said, I only twitch on raids when the cleric, and clerics only, request it. I make hotkeys (/target <name>) so I can twitch.. then get back in to the action.

Beltathor

[Vavra]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



V
ROFLMAO :D

When I twitch it is usually only to the cleric, and generally when they are between 30-40% mana. I will twitch a pally if he is pacying for the group and that is generally only when they ask or if they say they are oom...

What I hate is when I am in a group and some smart ass tells me to twitch the cleric.. I am like no sh_t Sherlok. and then the twitch lands a split second later cause I know how to do my job... and they are like ohhh.

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by Xarrix+Nov 20 2003, 10:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xarrix @ Nov 20 2003, 10:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 07:33 AM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



V
Pets don't go OOM. Its more of a proc. [/b][/quote]
I'm so misunderstood. :lol:


V

[nocto]

How to keep an on the ball group rolling steadily. Watch for your clerics CH messages during battles. Account for how much time it takes to cast (10 seconds supposedly). Fire a twitch on the cleric afterwards, they will love you for that.
If a pally/chanter/cleric finishes pac'ing a room, give them about 2 twitches, they love that too. Basically, twitch the classes that serve purposes that are vital to the progression of kills. IMO, MH'ers and Pac'ers. I will not twitch a chanter that goes oom screwing up targetting and ending up mezzing the wrong targets more than once (will however if I feel for im, after a wanker keeps breaking it by not assisting MA). I will not compromise my own DPS for the DPS of other DPS classes (sorry I said DPS so much) i.e mages/druids/wizzies.
And on the subject of when to twitch?
Usually good players will only report how much mana they have: 1) if they are asked directly by the puller or anyone else, and 2) if they have an amount that they are not comfortable with and feel they should let everyone know.
Number 2 is usually the time to pop on a couple of twitches.
And another thing, everyone LOVES mindwrack, so have that up if you know that you're going to steadily pull casters.
Here's a neat trick to use for an abundant supply of mana. Have your grp pull a caster. Take the caster down to about 12% health or so, (to the point where it begins to flee). Have a druid or ranja snare that mofo. Congratulations, (providing that this mob stays snared) you have one perfectly parked mana battery to mindwrack while the grp continues pulling.
Throw baby taps on it to counteract regeneration.
Did this once in Droga, and successfully held a gobbie flamemaster for 3 hours+,
grp members ate mana like it was turkish delight. Yum yum.

Put points into Spell Casting Mastery! Really helps make those spec checks and lowers twitch cost. Noticeable difference.

Anyway, sorry for ranting on so long.
Just a few ideas from experience.


Noc

[Umbrello]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



V
LOL...

Dont worry vamp, I got it...hilarious post btw! I want to see more of thise newbie kid talk. You ever seen Skater Gnome's stuff at Castersrealm? Hilarious, I read all of them.

[Maihem]

As powerful as we are, I hate using my mana that can cause death so quickly to twitch a cleric. At least during battle. After every mob is toast, sure I'll give up mana, but rarely lowing my mana past 20%, a necro has to know his limitations.

Maihem
55th level Heritic
Innoruuk Server

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by nocto@Nov 23 2003, 10:32 AM
Here's a neat trick to use for an abundant supply of mana. Have your grp pull a caster. Take the caster down to about 12% health or so, (to the point where it begins to flee). Have a druid or ranja snare that mofo. Congratulations, (providing that this mob stays snared) you have one perfectly parked mana battery to mindwrack while the grp continues pulling.
Throw baby taps on it to counteract regeneration.
Did this once in Droga, and successfully held a gobbie flamemaster for 3 hours+,
grp members ate mana like it was turkish delight. Yum yum.
OMG dude, I can't believe you did this in Droga of all places! Every other mob is a caster there! I understand the tactic, and yeah maybe that could be used in an area that was deficient of caster mobs; but sheeze, that's like climbing to the top of the tree to pick an apple and passing up 100s of branches loaded with apples all the way up. I just don't get it. *shrug*



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ps. Thanks Umbrello. ;)

[Vavra]

Originally posted by nocto@Nov 23 2003, 10:32 AM
Here's a neat trick to use for an abundant supply of mana. Have your grp pull a caster. Take the caster down to about 12% health or so, (to the point where it begins to flee). Have a druid or ranja snare that mofo. Congratulations, (providing that this mob stays snared) you have one perfectly parked mana battery to mindwrack while the grp continues pulling.
Throw baby taps on it to counteract regeneration.
Did this once in Droga, and successfully held a gobbie flamemaster for 3 hours+,

Nice trick, I will have to remember that one when I get to that point...

[Doomfir]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



V
First of all... are you like.. from the valley man? gee.. second of all if you are using KEI to get mana then you cant be using lich cause they dont stack.. which means you are not doing the necro class any service. You will run out of mana much faster than I will while doing less dmg to the mob. learn to balance lich with your lifetap dots and live like a real necro.

Second of all twitch was so that we could get groups guys. Necro solo so well, and are so little understood by non necros, that Verant / SoE felt like we needed to have something to be wanted more in a group.. and to a point they were right. It does help to find a group when people understand that you can give them mana.. esp clerics and Chanters.. lol.. and it personally gives me satisfaction to be doing the most dmg in the group and still have more mana than the casters who have KEI..

[Umbrello]

Doomfir...it was supposed to be a funny post, hence the way he talks, and the fact that most of what he's saying doesnt make sense and is conflicting. Most people didnt get it, I found it hilarious.

He's basically making fun of the c00l d3wd, kid necros who talk all funny.

[Amused]

It's a shame umbrello, but as far as I've noticed, EQ has turned into a contest of "My bands bigger than yours". Thus all the people ranting on him =\

[Umbrello]

Yep, man...got a bitter taste of that when i tried talking to the friendly people on the serverwide necro channel. They told me to fuck off, and get the hell off the channel.

Wow, talk about a shock.

[Origomali]

In Guild groups/raids, I'll twitch anyone deserving of it if they ask and are >40% but stop at 10% of my own mana pool with the exception of a rezzing Cleric with no clicky stick.........then I'll dump it all.

In pick up groups....usually just the Cleric as long as they aren't a dolt, know how to play and are at 40% or less and ask.......I require constant mana checks from all casters/hybrids.....you can get a real feel for someone by how they use or waste their mana.

It is true, a good Necro can out damage any other class at any given moment and with unexpected adds, I have found that I can survive a direct attack better than other casters and some hybrids...far too often, I have snatched aggro on a MoB that has gone after a Cleric or Chanty.....with HoV, Regen and BoD, it is funny watching a MoB trying to hurt me before the chanty can regain composure and mezz it.

Most times I am in pet groups....2 BLs, Shammy, SK, Mage and myself. With a group like this we never need a Cleric. We have with this group, 9-10 tanks and the combined DPS is awesome......tend to clear LDoN adventures with enough time to go back and check every chest or box at our leisure.........Twitch, lol, they'd rather have me DoT with my BA3 and Tap with my ID4.

[Emperson]

hmm i cant even remember the last time i grouped with a cleric on SZ :huh:

[Vhampyre01]

Originally posted by Doomfir+Nov 25 2003, 09:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Doomfir @ Nov 25 2003, 09:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf? get ur own kei! lolz

teh end.



V
First of all... are you like.. from the valley man? gee.. second of all if you are using KEI to get mana then you cant be using lich cause they dont stack.. which means you are not doing the necro class any service. You will run out of mana much faster than I will while doing less dmg to the mob. learn to balance lich with your lifetap dots and live like a real necro.

Second of all twitch was so that we could get groups guys. Necro solo so well, and are so little understood by non necros, that Verant / SoE felt like we needed to have something to be wanted more in a group.. and to a point they were right. It does help to find a group when people understand that you can give them mana.. esp clerics and Chanters.. lol.. and it personally gives me satisfaction to be doing the most dmg in the group and still have more mana than the casters who have KEI.. [/b][/quote]
...but OMGZ d00d, if i have 2 use teh lich i will liek die or something. dosn't it liek make u luze hitponts or whatevah? f00k taht! i'll jus taek mah KEI and b happy whiel all u l00zers r dieing bcuz u run outta hp. hahahahah!!!! !!! i pwnzr j00!!!11


i gues wiht ur ubah manza rengn u get 2 twich lotz n lotz, doncha? u r teh rulest!!11 plz teahc me m0res, o mastre of teh necr0 calss!

scondly, im liek not from teh valley or whateveah...why? r u gonna come n beet me up irl? :(




V

ps. get a f00kin clue.

[Amused]

ROFL... vhampire... u r teh r0xor Manz...

[Slitherclaw]

I understand that somtimes you have to twitch..but I dont know about the rest of you but I feel so dirty after giving another class mana that I could do so much more with. Wish they'd given us some other spell and given enchanters this twitch. Just my 2 cents.

Slitherclaw

Xegony

[Yil]

Here is a post I made on my guild website about twitching in raids. It was very well recieved as I tried to explain why I hate twitching and not just give that standard "sod off" reply to twtich requests.......



There seems to have been some ....errr..... "constination" about when and why to ask for a necro to twitch you.

This is from a necro's perspective so it's obliously biased.

Firstly how twitching works:

Twtiching involves a necro casting a spell on a PC in order to transfer an amount of his mana to the PC. The most effecient of these spells is the level 56 "Sedulous Subversion". At a cost of 400 mana to the necro the PC recieves 150 mana. Casting time is 3secs and recast time is 8secs. At the risk of stating the obvious this is VERY ineffecient.

When to ask for a twitch:

1. You are a cleric in a CH chain, you are LoM and the target mob is above 20% HP.
2. You are a shaman/enchanter, you are LoM and and there are slowable adds (the puller should not have pulled if you are LoM).
3. The raid has wiped, you are a cleric and you are doing rezzes or you just have been rezzed.
4. You are a buffing class, you are buffing raid groups prior to raid starting (or after wipe) and you are LoM.
5. You are a druid/cleric patch healing off-tanks, you are LoM and there are adds.

When NOT to ask for a twitch:

1. The puller has not yet pulled unless you fall into one of the above.
2. At any time during a fight where the mob is less 20% HP.
3. At any time during the fight unless you fall into one of the above.

The reason behind this is not because all necro's are selfish b*stards. It's because our mana can be utillised MUCH more effectivley causing damage to a mob.

The reason why I say LoM and not OoM is that in order to cast 2 twtiches on anyone will take 22 secs all told to give 300 mana (probally the minimum for any worthwhile spell) at a cost of 800 mana to the necro. At LoM (typically 40-50% for a CH chain healing cleric) a necro has a chance at balancing his DPS output with supplying mana to the requesting PC. Bear in mind that this is depandant on the rate at which a mob is going down. i.e. If a mob is dropping at 10% HP per tick there will be less reason to twtich vs a drop of 2% HP per tick.

At the end of the day it is the necro's call to twitch or not. We hate wiping as much as the next person so what ever we do it will be in the best interests of the raid as a whole.

[myndless of tallon]

the only encounters im need to twitch and MW for are... rathe council and quarm...otherwise imjust speeding up someone's medding process


and we probably won't ever do the rathe again... but quarm... that fucker is farm status

[Keystone]

why would you need to twitch on quarm? get group makeups right and there is 0 need there, and rathe after the first kill it's completely uneccessary too since healers should have learned what healing is required the first time through and adjusted their healing accordingly.

[myndless of tallon]

i twitch for quarm, i dont know your strat and we have our own, it works for us yours works for you... as for rathe... after the first 6 are mezzed we take the other 6 to 5 % one by one, leaving them at 5% to be CC'ed,,, a necro is useful here to keep up healers mana... again i dont know your strat for rathe but im sure ours is adapted from some bluebie server.. but either way we're end game so what we're doing is working for us =)

[glandeen]

hmmm personally speaking i dont pump unless i really need to. First off i set ground rules for twitching. RULE 1 I DO NOT twitch when im less than 85% mana. (my reason i have the same amount of mana as everyone else and im not there to provide everyone else with extra mana.. they want it that bad they can chew their own skin or go donate for a KEI in the pok) 2. there are certain classes i will just not twitch. i will twitch the cleric and pally (obviously) and OCCASIONALLY the shammy ( shes my RL wife and i gott alive with her) but aside from that i really dont twitch.

[Umbrello]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01+Nov 26 2003, 01:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vhampyre01 @ Nov 26 2003, 01:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Doomfir@Nov 25 2003, 09:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf?* get ur own kei!* lolz

teh end.



V
First of all... are you like.. from the valley man? gee.. second of all if you are using KEI to get mana then you cant be using lich cause they dont stack.. which means you are not doing the necro class any service. You will run out of mana much faster than I will while doing less dmg to the mob. learn to balance lich with your lifetap dots and live like a real necro.

Second of all twitch was so that we could get groups guys. Necro solo so well, and are so little understood by non necros, that Verant / SoE felt like we needed to have something to be wanted more in a group.. and to a point they were right. It does help to find a group when people understand that you can give them mana.. esp clerics and Chanters.. lol.. and it personally gives me satisfaction to be doing the most dmg in the group and still have more mana than the casters who have KEI..
...but OMGZ d00d, if i have 2 use teh lich i will liek die or something. dosn't it liek make u luze hitponts or whatevah? f00k taht! i'll jus taek mah KEI and b happy whiel all u l00zers r dieing bcuz u run outta hp. hahahahah!!!! !!! i pwnzr j00!!!11


i gues wiht ur ubah manza rengn u get 2 twich lotz n lotz, doncha? u r teh rulest!!11 plz teahc me m0res, o mastre of teh necr0 calss!

scondly, im liek not from teh valley or whateveah...why? r u gonna come n beet me up irl? :(




V

ps. get a f00kin clue. [/b][/quote]
OMG u r liek teh rulest!!!!11!!1!!kjl

[Vavra]

Originally posted by Vhampyre01+Nov 26 2003, 01:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vhampyre01 @ Nov 26 2003, 01:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Doomfir@Nov 25 2003, 09:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vhampyre01@Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM
Liek the other day my pet was liek Lifetapping ALOT and stuff and liek I jus new he had 2 b liek LOM and stuff so leik I dropped a few twitches on him justto be safe becuz i didnt want to hafta heal him or whatever so liek i had my kei goin and had plentie of mana anyways so it didn't matter to me as long as my pet cud keep on tanking liek a madman and stuff does anyone else have to twitch there PET OR MEBEE A RANJER EVER ONCE INAWHILE???????

this one tiem a dr00d aksed me 2 liek twitch plz and i was liek d00d wtf?* get ur own kei!* lolz

teh end.



V
First of all... are you like.. from the valley man? gee.. second of all if you are using KEI to get mana then you cant be using lich cause they dont stack.. which means you are not doing the necro class any service. You will run out of mana much faster than I will while doing less dmg to the mob. learn to balance lich with your lifetap dots and live like a real necro.

Second of all twitch was so that we could get groups guys. Necro solo so well, and are so little understood by non necros, that Verant / SoE felt like we needed to have something to be wanted more in a group.. and to a point they were right. It does help to find a group when people understand that you can give them mana.. esp clerics and Chanters.. lol.. and it personally gives me satisfaction to be doing the most dmg in the group and still have more mana than the casters who have KEI..
...but OMGZ d00d, if i have 2 use teh lich i will liek die or something. dosn't it liek make u luze hitponts or whatevah? f00k taht! i'll jus taek mah KEI and b happy whiel all u l00zers r dieing bcuz u run outta hp. hahahahah!!!! !!! i pwnzr j00!!!11


i gues wiht ur ubah manza rengn u get 2 twich lotz n lotz, doncha? u r teh rulest!!11 plz teahc me m0res, o mastre of teh necr0 calss!

scondly, im liek not from teh valley or whateveah...why? r u gonna come n beet me up irl? :(




V

ps. get a f00kin clue. [/b][/quote]
OMFG ROFLMAO!!!! dude you rock, you are liek so funny.