gas prices?

[Brahman]

omg its going crazy 32+ to fill my crapola cavalier >_<

[Mrpot]

Back here in Norway gas price just
pushed the 11kr a L limit.

11kr = 1.57$ something.

Now THAT sucks.

Getting a bit out of hand ja.

[Sskeli]

It's at 99.9 cents per litre here at the moment. I don't own a car though so haha suckers!

It really is out of hand though...one day on my way to work i see it's at 99.9, on the way home from work it's 92.9....then the next day it's 99.9 again....like really....wtf is going on that you are changing the gas prices every fucking day??

It's messed up and someone is xploiting the system for big bucks.

[KB1]

$2.28 to $2.78 a gallon in my area.

[Micromancer]

Originally posted by KB1@Apr 11 2005, 04:30 AM
$2.28 to $2.78 a gallon in my area.
which is $0.61 - $0.75 per liter

so even tho for us here in US it seem very high, compared to Europe still cheap. Of course big difference when you drive say Silverado vs those Fiat 500s they drive in Europe.

[Brahman]

very true.

I would also like to point out that all you places paying around 6 bux a gallon (1.50ish / liter i think?) MOST of that is taxes. Your government decided gas should be that much, here in the US we only have about 40 - 80 cents a gallon in taxes (depending on state sales tax, which is fucking dumb as fuck that its done as a % on a product that varies in price so greatly).

Personally I would really like to see it spike to 3.50 - 5 a gallon QUICK, I think around there is when the economy will really shift into converting away from petrol. Though, it might be as high as 7 a gallon... so who knows hehe

course... best case for me would be for that to happen in about 5 - 10 years cause I plan on doing some major investing when prices jump...

edit doc, i think ur link is busted cause it doesn't need the quotes in there.

[Brahman]

<---- Makes your point on full mana very clear

rofl, good to see you don't take things personally and go and hold a grudge :)

Alot of people don't realize that while fuel cell cars are NOT close to being production yet, we could switch to hydrogen right now in about a year if the government was pushing that change.

Admitidly it has been about 6 months since i was really researching this but a standard auto can be converted to hydrogen RIGHT NOW for 800 - 2500 bux. We can burn hydrogen just like we can gas, all you need is a different fuel tank, and 1 - 3 other systems replaced to handle it. fuzzy on the exact numbers, the price is most likly pushing the 2500 mark, the 800 might be what it could be expected to fall too if the entire nation decided we MUST change now.

The fuel can also be produced at home (right now) with equipment that costs around 36K. (said equipment can be wired/solor/wind powered, aka you can basically have free energy after the initial costs. and while almost 40 grand seems like ALOT, I know my parents have spent over 700 bucks in gas in a month recently so some people do have motivation for doing it now) Those prices are without mass production, and we all can look at the difference between an alienware comp and a similar dell and know the difference in price mass production can make.

With our current infrastructure, as i recall, the fuel would cost around 2.50 a gallon, but you would expect to get 10%ish +-5% better MPG as well. (hhmm... doubting myself here, it might have been less... the conversion is obviously not as simple as that)

To really motivate that kind of capital being laid out though gas prices would have to be AT LEAST 50 cents over the price of hydrogen. Speculation on what that difference is has been costing people fortunes, and will likely make people fortunes in the not so distant future.

[Jebasiz]

Atleast for the US the government isn't going to push for any type of energy conversion while the oil companies are lining their pockets/paying for their electoral campaigns. Maybe if alternate energy groups could form a special interest group and help get the right people elected it could happen sooner, but w/o that, we're shit outta luck.

[Brahman]

Thats so not true.

It will happen VERY quickly once oil prices get to high.

Do you think ANYONE is going to get re-elected if they are blocking things that will drop fuel prices 2 bux a gallon? again, the question is just how high do those prices have to get before the people react enough to make it happen.

BTW interesting fact, an expert once told the colorado state house (whatever) that the best way to reduce air polution from out dated cars on the road was to start salting the roads haha (said expert was my teacher)

[Drazzminius]

I'm in California. Gas hit almost $3/gal a few weeks back. Luckily, we get it cheaper on the military bases, but usually only by $.10-.20/gal. On my Expedition (26 gal tank), that still only adds up to $5 per tank!

[KB1]

Diesal prices kill me. I have an old 82 300 sd turbo diesal benz. Love that damn car, 33 miles to the gallon, but its a damn lot different now when diesal is 2.50 plus a gallon vs the 78 cents it was 5 years ago when I got the car.

[Brahman]

the number of votes on this poll saddens me :(

People just come here to sponge small chunks of info and the majority don't contribute at all do they? i mean... the LEAST they could do is vote in some polls omg :(

yeah yeah, strange mood i am in.

[Sskeli]

Maybe if you posted a poll about me it might get more votes...oh wait...this isn't EQnecro....yeah polls are doomed.

[Snowdarc]

LOL yep.A Skelli poll would have way more answers.
Gas in Alaska is $2.04 atm

[Micromancer]

bah how did this end up in Inferno? Is discussing gas prices considered trash talking?

[Snowdarc]

Everything we do is trash talk it seems.

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Micromancer@Apr 12 2005, 09:57 AM
bah how did this end up in Inferno? Is discussing gas prices considered trash talking?
Do you really care? Now you can say whatever the fuck you want! B)

[Brahman]

I started it here.

Wouldn't want to be accused of post padding afterall.

[Darkboxer]

I wish they would do something about it. It sucks when you have to spend $30-$35 to fill up a little car. Just a little over a year ago, I filled up the SUV I owned for that. I wish we did have the push behind alternative fuels, but sadly I don't see that happening soon. Government makes too much money from the oil companies.

[Micromancer]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Apr 12 2005, 01:36 PM
In the 1950s, oil in real dollars costed about what it does now. You know what else is different? Real income dollars were about half as much. Due to this difference, buying fuel in the 50's was a bigger burden than buying it now, all else being equal.


yeah but in the 50's there was 1 car per family and nowdays its 2 minimum, more if teenagers in the family.

The truth is if we cocentrated on Afganistan and Alqeida and left Iraq alone gas prices would have been still $1.20/gal today and the mighty USD would not be eating dirt.

Of course the time WILL come when oil is depleted, but its just sucks to realise you are suffering because some dumb poor-man's royalty was mad at another one.

[KB1]

I find it safe to assume that in the 1950's the average commute to work and school was much, much shorter as well. You can not state on thing without taking in all relative influences.

[Brahman]

Originally posted by Micromancer+Apr 12 2005, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Micromancer @ Apr 12 2005, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Doc Hollidazed@Apr 12 2005, 01:36 PM
In the 1950s, oil in real dollars costed about what it does now. You know what else is different? Real income dollars were about half as much. Due to this difference, buying fuel in the 50's was a bigger burden than buying it now, all else being equal.


yeah but in the 50's there was 1 car per family and nowdays its 2 minimum, more if teenagers in the family.

The truth is if we cocentrated on Afganistan and Alqeida and left Iraq alone gas prices would have been still $1.20/gal today and the mighty USD would not be eating dirt.

Of course the time WILL come when oil is depleted, but its just sucks to realise you are suffering because some dumb poor-man's royalty was mad at another one. [/b][/quote]
Prices are lower due to this. Iraq is (or will be...) exporting alot more oil now than they were before.

Prices are going up because OPEC is droping production more, and there are starting to be more and more people worldwide demanding it. Read, supply is at best even, and twice as many people using it. So correct that imbalance the price has to go up so less people want it, or so people use less across the board.

[Micromancer]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Apr 13 2005, 12:15 PM

Wrong. Average is 2.0 per household. Minimum I'd say would be zero, and who knows how many cars some people have.

For your reference:
http://www.bls.gov/ro7/cexmwst.htm


I was talking about households with cars, not ALL households. So you just proved my point.




2005 demand seen up 9%
2004 demand up 15%



gas prices are up 150% or more, oil companies profits are up even more

hehe, are you British? In America, we don't have royalty because no man is fit to be a master and no man deserves to be a slave.

no, Im not British, Im just not naive. You telling me Bush boys or Kennedy boys didn't receive their privilges by birth? Don't let the form fool you, look at the substance. And yes I called Bush dynasty a poor-man's royalty for what it is.

And I dont need fancy googled pie charts to KNOW that war in Iraq is wrong AND bad for America so save your time there.