CoB for pet pulling?

[Dookoo]

Is CoB low enough lvl to single pull the Creator DoN mission? The mobs con yellow to me so I was thinking CoB could single pull them. But maybe the lvl 61 pet might be safer. Mobs hit so hard so it's kind of tough to get them back alive.

Seems like groups want faster pulls than FD spliting can bring them. Plus the fact that a caster hits me with a spell and interupts my FD and I'm toast in about 3 seconds.

[Felicite]

I do not know the formula for "green con", but it seems to me that all PoP+ pets are 60 (or higher) and would not be green to anything conning yellow to you.

Are you Conviction-ing, Rune-ing and/or Calliav-ing your pet? You can also have your Cleric cast his best Heal of Time on the pulling pet before you send it.

And, as Usul is likely posting right now.. Pet Feign is useful for pulling pet survial.. as is some kind of run speed buff.

[UsulDaNeriak]

afaik pet has to con green - 15+ levels. to these yellow mobs.
now do the math.

even 61 should be too high. perhaps 59, dunno its level exactly.

Usul

[Brahman]

I always use the last skelly pet on high lvl mobs.

blocker + soe + some luck = win

[Rikam]

Which part of the creator you trying to pull? The Furious one is easy and the few golems to start the thing you should be able to solo easily. The creator pull is the only tough one I just use my monk or bard to train all mobs out hit crator with snare flop FM/FD on bard or monk and then have my war tag.

[UsulDaNeriak]

that would mean 56 pet brahman. but this pet got less hp than 49.

sounds strange. i use 49 all the time. with sow, bulwark and pet fd i am rdy to go.

Usul

[Rijak]

an sk/cleric duo i play with sometimes uses the L49 pet (necro 49... whatever that is for SKs) with a HoT landed right before pulls that works flawlessly (you'd think this would draw cleric aggro, but must not once spell has landed)... definitely takes some good timing but very fast in action

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Rijak@May 27 2005, 10:39 AM
an sk/cleric duo i play with sometimes uses the L49 pet (necro 49... whatever that is for SKs) with a HoT landed right before pulls that works flawlessly (you'd think this would draw cleric aggro, but must not once spell has landed)... definitely takes some good timing but very fast in action
Spell Casting Reenforcement 3 + SCF Mastery = 50% longer Heal over Time spells (and then focus items can get you more).

Yes.. the Cleric would only get aggro if the HoT lands *after* the MOB is aggroed by the pet. If the spell is already running, it's basically a short term buff at that point.

If you do not have a Calliav spell.. and you against the odds are playing with an Enchanter, remember they have a componentless Rune line as well.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Yes.. the Cleric would only get aggro if the HoT lands *after* the MOB is aggroed by the pet. If the spell is already running, it's basically a short term buff at that point.Why would the Cleric get aggro casting on the pet? Do HoT's not work like normal heals (ie. no agro when cast on a pet?) or did they change this?

Could be another case of *don't listen to Gnekroe because he is out-of-date* but the last I knew, heals on a pet caused no agro.

[Sihk]

This zone is so easy...don't need to pet pull. Just root or snare aggro, assuming you have quick FD AA.

I either root split or snare split, depending on how much room I have. Stupid easy.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon+May 27 2005, 11:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GnekroeGnomicon @ May 27 2005, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>{snip}Do HoT's not work like normal heals (ie. no agro when cast on){snip}.[/b]

I snipped the pet.. because on a PC, Heal over Time is *not* "no aggro".. it's just low aggro. Do an experiement. Cast a HoT at maximum range on a PC fighting a mob.. then back up more. Let the PC die. I think the MOB "knows" about the Cleric and will come visit.

So.. the Cleric got on the MOB's Hate list.. just not enough to pull aggro immediately away.

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Could be another case of *don't listen to Gnekroe because he is out-of-date* but the last I knew, heals on a pet caused no agro.[/quote]

I cannot really comment on pet healing = no aggro. I have no information or experience either way. But we could do the same experiment as above.. I guess I could tonight.

[Brahman]

silly me, what was i thinking. i use the 49 pet too... dunno why i was thinking that was the last skelly pet.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

I cannot really comment on pet healing = no aggro. I have no information or experience either way. But we could do the same experiment as above.. I guess I could tonight.This used to be the case (dunno if it still is so), a healer could go to town on a pet and not gain agro (though other forms of agro could occur like proximity agro etc). If it were still the case, it doesn't matter when the HoT lands on the pet (but timing still matters for PCs).

but I digress... haven't had the opportunity to do much pet pullling yet. Haven't had the need in my wee 61 levels, though soon I hope to have the opportunity.

[UsulDaNeriak]

i dunno about clers hot healing a pulling pet, because i just tell my cler to never do this. nobody touches my pets mob please, aside from the tank if pet is succesfully back to camp or i tell him to pull off.

perhaps nothing happens as long as the heal lands before engage, but if the pet dies on his way back, the mob should aggo the cler and if near enough to his buddies all mobs should recognize the cler(. well the question is imho. if just the initial heal approach puts you on the aggo list of the mob or if every tick could do so. if you are on the aggo list of a mob pulled by a pet, the ultimate shit could happen. if pet dies, you are #1.

thats why the nec himself lies fd if pet pulling. to avoid that aggo jumps on him. just for the very dangerous pulls of course.

however, i dont think this HOT-technique helps very much. i even dont ask for buffs for my pulling pet like conv or whatever (but sow and calliav of course). if the calliav doesnt block the dmg the pet mostly dies anyways.
ok, it doesnt hurt to raid buff a 49 pet before it does a tricky pull. but latest if it died once, the 2nd pet goes just with sow and calliav. just to safe time.

Usul

[Brahman]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@May 27 2005, 04:22 PM
I cannot really comment on pet healing = no aggro. I have no information or experience either way. But we could do the same experiment as above.. I guess I could tonight.This used to be the case (dunno if it still is so), a healer could go to town on a pet and not gain agro (though other forms of agro could occur like proximity agro etc). If it were still the case, it doesn't matter when the HoT lands on the pet (but timing still matters for PCs).

but I digress... haven't had the opportunity to do much pet pullling yet. Haven't had the need in my wee 61 levels, though soon I hope to have the opportunity.
i've seen it in action, healing a pet does NOT add you to a mobs aggro list.

(healing your own pet COULD... but someone else healing it doesn't)

Imagine my shocked trioing in the sewers when we wiped and i realized my cleric bot was still just standing there perfectly safe.

[Jebasiz]

The creator is easy to pull w/o pet pulling. If you get 2 just kite one while group kills other, you'll finish first..and then can go pull again.

[fattyudien]

agree jebasiz i do that all the time just have tank grab the one that not snared and kite the snared one.

[Raidjin]

The Creator DoN Mission is basic...I've pulled it many times and as for the Creator himself being the hardest....we figured out a long time ago to position the group in the corner BEHIND where the creator spawns.

Creator spawns....group kills single....leaves mission after looting...gets kicked.

done....and...done.

:)