Pet Augment Disagreement

[CigamHelspawn]

Why would anyone want it?

Oh, I dunno... how about because THEY AINT 70 YET?

Works for me.

Could also say why would anyone want the DoN crystal pet aug because it isnt as good as Minion of Eternity overlooking the fact that not everyone is time or anguish capable.

Why should any warrior have any weapon but a BoC right?

Sheesh!

Each item in the game has its uses.

And the two summoners boon items are useful for those who are not 70 yet and who are not interested in a blind rush to 70.

I, myself, just made 65 and have no interest in 66+ much less 70 until I have 200+ aas under my belt since aas 66+ are much slower to progress with. Also the runes for even the lame 66+ spells are, at least on The Rathe, in the realm of 13k for the 66 spells, 21k for the 67s... 8k for the 68s (not sure why the 68s are so much cheaper unless much more common and/or the 68 spells universally suck) and relatively rare drops with lots of folks needing for the 69 and 70 runes... waiting for rune prices to drop to about half their current prices and until I pick up a few 69 and 70 runes before worrying about shooting up to 70 myself.

I think anyone who starts their statement with ' why don't you just' whatever should look at their presuppositions first.

But that is just my opinion, yours may vary.

Cig

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn@Jun 27 2005, 05:53 PM
I, myself, just made 65 and have no interest in 66+ much less 70 until I have 200+ aas under my belt since aas 66+ are much slower to progress with.
I dunno, I got aa's faster when I was 67 than I did at 65 and below.

[Xelgadis]

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn+Jun 27 2005, 12:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CigamHelspawn @ Jun 27 2005, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why would anyone want it?

Oh, I dunno... how about because THEY AINT 70 YET? [/b]
The point was that there are other options out there. Some necros are level 70 and would find this information useful.

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CigamHelspawn)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Could also say why would anyone want the DoN crystal pet aug because it isnt as good as Minion of Eternity overlooking the fact that not everyone is time or anguish capable.[/b]
Did any of us say anything about being Time/Qvic/Txevu/Anguish flagged, and mention anything about the foci available in those places? No. Simmer down.

<!--QuoteBegin-CigamHelspawn@
Why should any warrior have any weapon but a BoC right?[/quote]
Personally, I'd rather get them a Bloodfrenzy (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=28855)... but YMMV. :rolleyes:

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I, myself, just made 65 and have no interest in 66+ much less 70 until I have 200+ aas under my belt since aas 66+ are much slower to progress with.[/quote]
That's both your choice and your assessment of the level versus AA debate, congratulations on making a decision on that. Realize, however, that other opinions may vary from yours.

In the end, calm down and perhaps chose more eloquent wording before going off on trivial things.

[CigamHelspawn]

Originally posted by Xelgadis+Jun 27 2005, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xelgadis @ Jun 27 2005, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by CigamHelspawn+Jun 27 2005, 12:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CigamHelspawn @ Jun 27 2005, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why would anyone want it?

Oh, I dunno... how about because THEY AINT 70 YET? [/b]
The point was that there are other options out there. Some necros are level 70 and would find this information useful.

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn
Could also say why would anyone want the DoN crystal pet aug because it isnt as good as Minion of Eternity overlooking the fact that not everyone is time or anguish capable.
Did any of us say anything about being Time/Qvic/Txevu/Anguish flagged, and mention anything about the foci available in those places? No. Simmer down.

<!--QuoteBegin-CigamHelspawn@
Why should any warrior have any weapon but a BoC right?
Personally, I'd rather get them a Bloodfrenzy (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=28855)... but YMMV. :rolleyes:

<!--QuoteBegin-CigamHelspawn
I, myself, just made 65 and have no interest in 66+ much less 70 until I have 200+ aas under my belt since aas 66+ are much slower to progress with.[/quote]
That's both your choice and your assessment of the level versus AA debate, congratulations on making a decision on that. Realize, however, that other opinions may vary from yours.

In the end, calm down and perhaps chose more eloquent wording before going off on trivial things. [/b][/quote]

Nowhere did I ever say there were not other options... but this thread is discussing summoners boon and an item other than the LDoN aug that has it and might be easier to get for some than the LDoN aug for any number of reasons.

I never said no one was 70... I was responding to the sneering implication that the item the thread was about had no use (ewww why would anyone want THAT!?) because some other item exists.

The fact is this item is of use to those 59-69 while the one you pointed out is NOT.

And you just refuse to get it, dont you?

I never said you were talking anguish etc... my point in mentioning that was to point out how out of place and irrelevant pointing out the DoN aug in the context of this thread which is about Summoners Boon and another item with it alternate to the LDoN aug.

Since Summoners Boon is useable from 59-70 and the DoN aug is ONLY useable at 70 it is hardly the same context, now is it?

As for simmering down there is no need for me since I am not boiled up... just pointing out the useless and out of context irrelevancy nature of bringing up that aug into this discussion.

But instead of simmering down I would just suggest you get a big shiny clue.

And yes, I made my choice for myself on the level vs aa debate. You will notice that NOWHERE did I tell anyone else what to decide in that.

If you can show where you think I did please clearly show it, ok?

It was YOU who popped in about a lvl 70 ONLY item in a discussion about a 59-70 item, disparaging the 59-70 item because a 70 only item is better.

AND you seem so completely full of yourself to think you have any business critiquing the eloquence of the wording of others when you repeatedly prove your own inability to comprehend.

You, again, need a big shiny clue.

Whatever.

Cig

[CigamHelspawn]

Originally posted by Quezquotyl@Jun 27 2005, 06:05 PM
The mobs difficulty in the Bloodfields really isn't worth most people's time. Risk vs. Reward really isn't there for the stuff it drops. So if you thought you could stroll up with your bazaar geared friends and steamroll this mob, you will probably get an ass beating you won't soon forget. Just a warning that I thought I'd share with some of you folks, you are better off scraping togethor LDoN's for summoners boon than trying this encounter. ;)

If you bring a couple of groups to this guy just for the heck of it, have fun, and you deserve the piece if you really want it that bad. Definately not a one group encounter for the average casual.
I realize the mob is tough and that most who can easily take it are going to be unlikely to need this item.... my point is that 1) if you can take it and use the mob you could avoid lots od LDoNs this way, and 2) the main point is it is ATTUNEABLE.. meaning because most who get it wont need it it might well end up for sale in the Bazaar or elsewhere.

Again not everyone has a few spare plat to buy it... but if you do and dont wish to bother with LDoNs (or dont have that expansion) you have it as an option to maybe be on the lookout for.

THAT whas the reason for starting the thread in the first place.

Seems to have been missed by a few.

Oh well....

Cig

[Aldmare]

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn+Jun 27 2005, 07:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CigamHelspawn @ Jun 27 2005, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-CigamHelspawn
Could also say why would anyone want the DoN crystal pet aug because it isnt as good as Minion of Eternity overlooking the fact that not everyone is time or anguish capable.

I never said you were talking anguish etc... my point in mentioning that was to point out how out of place and irrelevant pointing out the DoN aug in the context of this thread which is about Summoners Boon and another item with it alternate to the LDoN aug.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, yes you did :rolleyes:

[Schaeffer]

On your mark...





Get set...





*Fires Pistol* Who's got the bigger e-penis?

[Dhau]

Why would anyone want it?

Oh, I dunno... how about because THEY AINT 70 YET?

Works for me.

Could also say why would anyone want the DoN crystal pet aug because it isnt as good as Minion of Eternity overlooking the fact that not everyone is time or anguish capable.

Why should any warrior have any weapon but a BoC right?

Sheesh!

Each item in the game has its uses.


it took me 30 seconds of reading about that mob to realize it would be impossible to ever coax enough people together to do that (not like i ever would, assuming we would win, and assuming it would drop too, all very important factors)

its like spending tons of man hours trying to get the ldon pet foci aug when you could have gotten lvl 70 and enough plat to buy the minion of darkness foci (10x better than summoners boon)

i guess everyone in entitled to play how they want, but its like, do you realize how WORTHLESS summoners boon is? pet hits for like, an extra 2 damage and has a few more hps/regen, all of which grants an extremely trivial increase in your overall power.

a post like this is like saying "theres a 24 raid mob in RCoD that drops pyre of morix (exactly like pyre of mori, except lvl 65 req instead of 69) and some 75/75 gear. Could is be useful? sure, but factor in effort, chance for it to drop, and convincing people to come and its completely worthless

[CigamHelspawn]

Originally posted by Dhau@Jun 27 2005, 10:04 PM
Why would anyone want it?

Oh, I dunno... how about because THEY AINT 70 YET?

Works for me.

Could also say why would anyone want the DoN crystal pet aug because it isnt as good as Minion of Eternity overlooking the fact that not everyone is time or anguish capable.

Why should any warrior have any weapon but a BoC right?

Sheesh!

Each item in the game has its uses.


it took me 30 seconds of reading about that mob to realize it would be impossible to ever coax enough people together to do that (not like i ever would, assuming we would win, and assuming it would drop too, all very important factors)

its like spending tons of man hours trying to get the ldon pet foci aug when you could have gotten lvl 70 and enough plat to buy the minion of darkness foci (10x better than summoners boon)

i guess everyone in entitled to play how they want, but its like, do you realize how WORTHLESS summoners boon is? pet hits for like, an extra 2 damage and has a few more hps/regen, all of which grants an extremely trivial increase in your overall power.

a post like this is like saying "theres a 24 raid mob in RCoD that drops pyre of morix (exactly like pyre of mori, except lvl 65 req instead of 69) and some 75/75 gear. Could is be useful? sure, but factor in effort, chance for it to drop, and convincing people to come and its completely worthless

Very slowly for you... since... you... seem... to.. still... miss.. the ... point.

It... does.. not... matter.. how...hard... the... mob... is... since... the... item... is... TRADEABLE. (Attuneable)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled whatever.

Sheesh!

And how is Summoners boon worthless? It is only minimally inferior to the next higher one... regen is when not aggro primary multiplied by 10 or more.. yes does 2 more damage, adds levels to the pet, pet comes into being fully armored (or so the description says) and so on.

Anyone who has seen a sumoners boon auged pet vs same pet without it knows the difference is like night and day.

I guess you and I have radically different definitions of what is 'worthless'.

ESPECIALLY when one is not lvl 70 yet.


Cig

[Dhau]

It... does.. not... matter.. how...hard... the... mob... is... since... the... item... is... TRADEABLE. (Attuneable)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled whatever.

Sheesh!

And how is Summoners boon worthless? It is only minimally inferior to the next higher one... regen is when not aggro primary multiplied by 10 or more.. yes does 2 more damage, adds levels to the pet, pet comes into being fully armored (or so the description says) and so on.

Anyone who has seen a sumoners boon auged pet vs same pet without it knows the difference is like night and day.

I guess you and I have radically different definitions of what is 'worthless'.

ESPECIALLY when one is not lvl 70 yet.



It... does.. not... matter.. how...hard... the... mob... is... since... the... item... is... TRADEABLE. (Attuneable)

so its tradeable! whoop dee fucking doo! as if finding it for sale isn't nearly impossible enough, it'll probably cost an excess of 100k

And how is Summoners boon worthless? It is only minimally inferior to the next higher one
minimally inferior? irrelevant

adds levels to the pet, pet comes into being fully armored (or so the description says) and so on.
does NOT add levelS, let alone A level to pets above 60 iirc, certaintly not to lost soul + dark assassin

comes into being fully armored? wtf are you talking about dude
heres a suggestion
look at peoples magelo in their sigs. generally, the lvl 70 people with lots of aa/gear know more than people who dont even have a pet focii

stop arguing with me, you are just wrong

[CigamHelspawn]

Originally posted by Dhau@Jun 27 2005, 11:20 PM
It... does.. not... matter.. how...hard... the... mob... is... since... the... item... is... TRADEABLE. (Attuneable)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled whatever.

Sheesh!

And how is Summoners boon worthless? It is only minimally inferior to the next higher one... regen is when not aggro primary multiplied by 10 or more.. yes does 2 more damage, adds levels to the pet, pet comes into being fully armored (or so the description says) and so on.

Anyone who has seen a sumoners boon auged pet vs same pet without it knows the difference is like night and day.

I guess you and I have radically different definitions of what is 'worthless'.

ESPECIALLY when one is not lvl 70 yet.



It... does.. not... matter.. how...hard... the... mob... is... since... the... item... is... TRADEABLE. (Attuneable)

so its tradeable! whoop dee fucking doo! as if finding it for sale isn't nearly impossible enough, it'll probably cost an excess of 100k

And how is Summoners boon worthless? It is only minimally inferior to the next higher one
minimally inferior? irrelevant

adds levels to the pet, pet comes into being fully armored (or so the description says) and so on.
does NOT add levelS, let alone A level to pets above 60 iirc, certaintly not to lost soul + dark assassin

comes into being fully armored? wtf are you talking about dude
heres a suggestion
look at peoples magelo in their sigs. generally, the lvl 70 people with lots of aa/gear know more than people who dont even have a pet focii

stop arguing with me, you are just wrong

Interesting... you claim I am wrong yet you do nothing to prove it.

You just keep claiming.

And then you say Oh I am a lvl 70 bow before my uberness... dont make me retch. I have 20 toons on one server, 5 epics done, 2 are 65, one is 62 another 59 and one 55... the rest range from 26 to 51. I have been playing EQ since 1999 and certainly since before the pet augs came out.

Dont pull your 'Im lvl 70" BS with me, little man. I have likely forgotten more about the game than you ever knew.

And yes, fully armored.. it was stated as such soon after the augs came out... the patch message said to make it easier and faster to make the pets they would come into being fully armored so no more having to bug mages for armor. Think full suit of summoned plate or best type armor applicable.

And if as you claim the summoners boon is 'worthless' and the next one up, the one from the DoN merchants, is only minimally better (power increase 20 inbstead of 15, same regen when not primary aggro of mob, etc) and you then claiom this minimal difference is irrelevant then why are you drooling all over the DoN one while calling the summoners boon one 'worthless'?

Oh, I see... because YOU are 70 nothing useful to anyone under 70 means anything... it was worthless TO YOU.

You need to be clearer in the future... when you say 'worthless; you do not mean for anyone in general, only for YOU.

Well I for one did not start this thread just for you, or just for me. I already knew the info. I did it for everyone else, INCLUDING those who are not full of themselves pompous lvl 70 poltroons such as yourself.

If you do not find the info personally useful then fine... accept that SOMEONE ELSE just might.

At least several so far have pointed out they like having the info.

If that isn't good enough for you then piss off. No one cares if you personally like the info or not.

Just please stop spewing your ignorance as if ytou thought you actually had a clue, ok? No one needs misinformation like the tripe you are spewing.

And to add another nail to the coffin of what was once your credibility, I checked your Magelo... to hear you sounding off here I seriously dount that it accuyrately reflects your toon. If it does I can only assume Ebay or you tagged along with others who had the knowledge you merely claim to have here.

As for your suggestion to check magelos maybe you should follow your own advice... if you had done so you would have noted I DO in fact have a pet aug/focus. (foci is plural you nit) and I looked through your magelo twice, didnt see a pet aug/focus... not one.

But Magelos are funny things... you dont have to verify anything with Magelo... they let you claim to have whatever you want. Keep that in mind before you start putting up magelo files as the stamp of authority. (Oh that is rich! lol)

It is clearly you who are wrong here.

Cig

[Schaeffer]

Don''t make me move this thread to the inferno please...

[CigamHelspawn]

Originally posted by Todeszwerg@Jun 28 2005, 12:16 AM
Yes, a pet summoned while ANY focus item is equipped, from summoners boon on up, is summoned with a set of mage phantom plate pre-equipped. This applies to necro, bst, AND mage pets.

THANK YOU for also disproving the misinformation from Mr "Im lvl 70 watch me prove I dont know squat as I make an arse out of myself!"

Made my day, thanks again.

lol

Cig

[Dhau]

I have been playing EQ since 1999 and certainly since before the pet augs came out.

Dont pull your 'Im lvl 70" BS with me, little man. I have likely forgotten more about the game than you ever knew.

And yes, fully armored.. it was stated as such soon after the augs came out... the patch message said to make it easier and faster to make the pets they would come into being fully armored so no more having to bug mages for armor. Think full suit of summoned plate or best type armor applicable.

And if as you claim the summoners boon is 'worthless' and the next one up, the one from the DoN merchants, is only minimally better (power increase 20 inbstead of 15

since pet augs came out? do the mage elemental staves mean nothing to you? encyclopedia necrothurgia? (sp)

no more having to bug mages for armor? are you joking? pets dont get an innate 11% haste item with focii! neither do they get a 650hp belt!

pet power increase 20 means jack shit. its hardcoded, thats just a simple bs number they use.

how much more do i have to prove you wrong?

[CigamHelspawn]

Originally posted by Dhau@Jun 28 2005, 03:21 AM
I have been playing EQ since 1999 and certainly since before the pet augs came out.

Dont pull your 'Im lvl 70" BS with me, little man. I have likely forgotten more about the game than you ever knew.

And yes, fully armored.. it was stated as such soon after the augs came out... the patch message said to make it easier and faster to make the pets they would come into being fully armored so no more having to bug mages for armor. Think full suit of summoned plate or best type armor applicable.

And if as you claim the summoners boon is 'worthless' and the next one up, the one from the DoN merchants, is only minimally better (power increase 20 inbstead of 15

since pet augs came out? do the mage elemental staves mean nothing to you? encyclopedia necrothurgia? (sp)

no more having to bug mages for armor? are you joking? pets dont get an innate 11% haste item with focii! neither do they get a 650hp belt!

pet power increase 20 means jack shit. its hardcoded, thats just a simple bs number they use.

how much more do i have to prove you wrong?

Rarely do I find someone so clueless!

We are not talking about the elemental staves or the lesser forms for mages only such as the torch, broom, shovel and stein.

We are talking about the line of itemsm the pet augmentations. Not the mage only focii which Im not even sure have any effect past lvl 60 pets at all.

As for the belt, muzzle and weapons, those, if you bothered to follow the convewrsation, are not considered pet ARMOR... they are the four items almost universally referred to as 'pet toys'. Different category of item.

Is the best that you can do summed up as mispplications formed into irrelevant straw men?

You really need to learn when you are outclassed.

The power 20 shorthand means what it means. It signifies a collective increase to the pet. 20 better than 15... 30 better than 20 and so on.

And I have noticed you fall into the basic truism... the more profanity one feels they need to use in text discussions the less value whatever they have to say.

And to prove me wrong 'more' you will need to prove me wrong in the first place... something you have yet to do as I have amply proven here.

<chuckle>

Ah, fighting a battle of wits with an unarmed person... I should feel ashamed, but for you I will make an exception.

Cig

[Xelgadis]

Calm down, Cigam.

We got the point of your initial post in this thread. Realize, however, that people often will take a thread and sometimes offer additional information. That additional information may or may not be directly relevant to the inital post... but that doesn't give you a license to go off like a hothead to anyone who happens to post something that isn't all happy, frilly, 100% agreeance, yadda, yadda, yadda, to what you said.

Opinions are like assholes, we all have one.. does that give us all a right to be one? No. There's a difference between being a smartass and being an asshole, please realize that. You made your point, and showed us the quality of your character, long ago in this thread. There's no need to continue to rip apart everyone's post, simply because it offers information that you don't necessarily agree with. If you find that you need to disagree with someone, do it professionally. Not everyone here is an adult, but that doesn't mean that people are incapable of acting like one, and on these forums, it would be much appreciated.

On behalf of those who visit these forums in search of information, rather than drama, I will ask you this: settle down, and conduct yourself a little more professionally, or please leave and be childish somewhere else.

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Xelgadis@Jun 28 2005, 12:55 AM
Opinions are like assholes, we all have one..
...and they all stink


Play nice or go to eqnecro.net and join their free for all, and when they spank you, you can come back and be civil.

[Jebasiz]

LMAO.

Yes it's Attuneable..and noone in their right mind would farm it for selling. In that respect, the difficulty of the mob DOES matter, the fact that it's attuneable DOESN'T! (omg tough concepts here)

The fact is Summoner's Boon has always been shit and will always be shit. Regen on a pet getting hit for 600..isn't gonna do a goddamn thing. If you think raising the max hit of a pet by 2 is gonna be the difference from winning and loosing..you suck there too.

Umm I forget what other points you think you made...but adding "extra information" is never a bad thing..because omg there are level 70's that are looking for a good pet focus that read these boards...obviously you like mediocrity and I'm done with you.

Good day sonny-boy.

[rekcim]

Rarely do I find someone so clueless!


Look in the mirror. This coming from a guy who thinks aa comes slower at level 66+ and has no clue about any 66+ spells or even how to get them. Someone who thinks its a good idea to stay at level 65 for god knows what reason.

You sir are an eternal newbie and I thank you for that. Wihtout people like you we wouldn't look so good!!

[Chernabogg]

Who is worse ?
The person that posts or the people that keep arguing with him ?

[Xelgadis]

Originally posted by Chernabogg@Jun 30 2005, 05:47 PM
Who is worse ?
The person that posts or the people that keep arguing with him ?
Well... there's more to it than just that. One can argue a point without being a complete asshat about it. Typically when someone chooses to be an asshat, people will snipe back... either to reinforce their points, or to further piss off the person who clearly has issues in interacting with others and with self-control. The ball just keeps rolling at that point.

Another interesting thing to note; usually when someone has a weak case with their point, they resort to childish tactics in a futile attempt to validate both themselves and their point (I need not name anyone, this thread provided us with just such an example). The end result, however, is that the person really doesn't accomplish anything other than making themselves a bigger asshat.

So then, based on the information provided above, perhaps society should provide professional help to the asshats of the world. If we don't, the world may become consumed by darkness as the grand poobah asshat grows to sizes of biblical proportions, blocking all sunlight. We'll all inevitably be crushed... by the grand poobah himself. Those who will be fortunate enough to avoid being crushed, will have already died from the shrapnel produced when his shortbus exploded as it was no longer able to contain such a huge asshat.

[Jebasiz]

Back in the village we don't kill our idiots. We put them in funny suits, paint their faces wierd colors and let them amuse us.

I suggest that in this instance.

[Draknil]

Anyone else think this is Neigthbours in Norrath? For the Americans

The Young and the Restless, or Days of our lives?

[Draknil]

Originally posted by Schaeffer+Jun 29 2005, 02:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Schaeffer @ Jun 29 2005, 02:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Xelgadis@Jun 28 2005, 12:55 AM
Opinions are like assholes, we all have one..
...and they all stink


Play nice or go to eqnecro.net and join their free for all, and when they spank you, you can come back and be civil. [/b][/quote]
Aint this the truth. Slapped like a read headed Step Child, then wimper back here tail between his legs....

Oh well I digress.

[Mallakith]

OI QUIT WITH THE RED HEADED!!!

lol us gingers have feelings too yknow!

:D

hheheheheheh

[Schaeffer]

My mother has red hair, I can concur they have feelings. My mother often feels like slapping and throwing things...

/runs and hides

[Draknil]

They are so firey because if they have ever been a step-child, they have been slapped...

No one wants a red headed step-child