Hopper cave in DSP.

[Majordeath]

I have been exping in DSP at the hopper cave the last 2 days and have had a blast. Great experience (1% per kill) and not to dangerous for a twink. Dinged 51 this morning here :D

Question: This morning I get to cave and 1 druid is quad kiting outside the caves. I think GREAT!! time for some decent experience before everyone else shows up.
However the druid didn't seem to think so. I pull 1 hopper while she is finishing her kills. I get a tell "ummm.....I was like camping here." Now I'm in the ranger camp well away from where she was quading and can't possibly be in her camp site. So I assume she is saying that she is camping the entire caves area - all 30+ spawns. So I reply "No way". She says "I waited a few hours to get this camp and was considerate enough to wait my turn. I guess you aren't considerate." Needless to say I'm flabbergasted. I tell her "You can't camp the cave." From this point it goes down hill. She insists that I am rude for not asking if I can take some spawns. I'm out of line for butting into her camp. I tell her "You are farming and I'm exping so I have priority if you want to get technical." So she gets all in a huff and leaves.
I am obviously a little peeved about the situation. I try to always be fair in game. The only real currency in-game IMHO is your reputation/word of honor. I have always shared this camp with others. Am I wrong in not letting her have all 30 some spawns in the caves? I thought there were more than enough hoppers to go around for several people to work the area.

[Schaeffer]

Well it's typically just nice to ask what anyone is hunting when you see them soloing near something you want. Usually it's no big deal and if you would have said hi to her she probably wouldn't have been so fussy. I don't mind sharing camps at all and I typically agree with XP should have rights over Pharming but it's still nice to be curtious.

I was on my way in Echo to kill the Giant Mushroom and i started killing the Boglings outside the mushrooms room. Some SK started freaking on me that i was KSing her. Meanwhile I didn't see her. She was in the room and I was at the entrance. All I saw was the MoB, not her. So i apologized and asked her if i could hang out till the TGS spawned, she said no problem and I tossed her a heal now and then. No complaints on either side after that. Some people are just a little touchy when it comes to camps, so it's good to be alittle over curtious sometimes, you never know, you just might make a friend out of it, I let her have the Saprophyte Spore Gloves that the TGS dropped cause i was there for the Remove Curse spell which sells for 6k on TM. :D

[gnecrosis]

i am a 55 necro and can solo all these spawns for exp and farmin i have great respect for anyone that play this game ( besides those who get all techinacal with hhk and pc) but in these 2 zones i have learned the greatest leason in the game.... u can't hold camps in this game only spawns 1 pers per spawn and this is how the gm's do it so u cannot get introuble for takin a few spawns away from a single person u cna get introuble for killin the mob after someone else has agro the only thing that matters then is how u want people to c u in this game and personaly u did nothing wrong it was the druids fault u should have a chat with his/her guild leader/officer

[Neme Sis]

I agree with these posts. I was in HHK at the Nobles. I did a camp check and no one answered. I announced I would camp the casino room (which was empty and populated with Nobles) and I started killing. Next thing I knew someone told me they were camping the entire 2nd floor. Every room. All spawns.

When I decided to keep my few spawns and hunt a bit, they attempted to train me (I guess all that faction work at the Orcs at lvl 12 paid off - hehe). After a bunch more ranting and raving from the other team, I headed out just to not have to put up with it.

You know... when I see a player or group of players in what looks like a tight jam with a mob, I have found that a friendly Fear spell on the mob saves the day. Odd that everyone isn't always receptive... but then again... who am I to stop and worry.

... I have places to go and mobs to kill.

[Xarulsis Soulreaver]

I am a master of highkeep, I went there from 20-42 then 49-57. I have fought quite a few times over the bards and nobles camp. 1 thing I know for sure is YOU CANNOT CAMP THE WHOLE FLOOR! Thats just crazy. way to many spawns. Most gms disagree if a person can camp bards and nobles considering they are 2 different camps. Also GAURDS ARE ALWAYS FFA! No matter what people say, u aggro the gaurd first it is yours, there is no gaurd camp. Going back even further RR and WR are two different camps although most people just leave it at 1 camp and seem happy with it. But if somone trys to camp a whole floor you go F*ck you and fight for it. Chances are they will contact a gm and eventually leave. Once the gm comes and the other guy is gone there is no longer a problem and the gm will disregaurd the petition. Just don't let people get away for murder, I never did and my levels were a snap. Have fun and protect your camps!

[Dalemar]

Just a side note, something I found kinda funny.

My wife woke me up one day to show me something she saw while struggling in RM. Somebody had actually called camp check, and when nobody answered, they promptly said "camping HG's".

Again, no response, until this person went on a rant on the first person they saw killing a HG, claiming that they were KS'ing and he had called the HG's. This got the whole zone in hysterics, cajoling the person that claimed he was going to petition the GM's because he called HG camp and somebody had KS'ed him by killing one.

I just wish camps would disappear and people would just be observant of others killing certain mobs. My guild has had to permanently remove a member for intentionally taking a kill somebody was working on and looting the rare loot, without remorse.

Sounds corny, but why can't we all just get along? lol

[Schaeffer]

You can't camp things that roam. Who ever aggros it first is suppossed to get kill and loot rights. You can camp static spawns. If you are camping it to spawn a named for a particular drop and your not getting XP off the PH and it's little friends, then sure let the youngin XP with the knowledge that if the named spawns it is your kill and your loot. There is no reason why a person has to camp a whole floor. The things should spawn fast enough that they won't be able to kill the whole floor before others start popping. Even if they can handle the whole thing solo, at that point there's better spots for them to go then and they need to move on.

The whole point is to be curtious and talk with people in a camp. Even if you're there first, if they aggro a mob in your camp, let them kill it and politely tell them you are camping those spawns. You can probably work out a solution easily, or they'll just apologize and leave.

Only once did this strategy not work. There was a Bard that aggroed a MoB in my camp and I was going to let him kill it. He just stood there. Then he started /ooc Train becuase of Schaeffer!!! I asked him what the hell that was about and he started screaming at me for letting him almost get killed. I told him next time let me know you're not going to kill it or ask for help, or kill it yourself. He didn't say anything to me at all like that so I thought I was letting him have the kill. Needless to say he tried to train me to get revenge, lol silly bards, trains are for rangers, =P

[Majordeath]

Originally posted by Schaeffer@Jan 13 2004, 06:49 PM
The whole point is to be curtious and talk with people in a camp. Even if you're there first, if they aggro a mob in your camp, let them kill it and politely tell them you are camping those spawns. You can probably work out a solution easily, or they'll just apologize and leave.


I agree 100% with this statement.

However I must point out that for a spot to be a "camp" the spawns must be in close proximity to each other, i.e. usually within agro range or at the least in spell range. The hopper caves only fit this definition if you chop up the caves into sections. At the most you have 3 or 4 mobs that are even within sight of each other. When I arrived here only the 2 outside mobs and first 3 mobs inside were not at their spawn points. I went in and took only 1 mob from a room with 3 spawns in it. I just feel that I was not out of line at all in this particular situation. I certainly didn't feel any need to ask "permission" to take mobs that are so numerous. 5am EST and 5 peeps in zone with only us 2 above level 30. Lots of competition for hoppers :blink:
I even asked her if she wanted the lucid shard I found on my second pull. It's hard to get nicer than that. :rolleyes:

[Antilight]

Majordeath;

Actually, I agree with you in this scenario. If this person wanted to take ALL the spawns, that is kind of ridiculous. She shouldn't have thought she could do that in with all the spawns you describe. If she had wanted to work things out, then she would have stayed and you could have split the spawns in certain areas. She wanted to be a spawn hog in my eyes. It was something that could have been worked out easily. Don't sweat it.



Antilight

[Kompressor]

heh, sometimes people rely too much on the /ooc campchecks to claim their camps. 1) not everyone has multiple windows for chat /ooc, /g. /tell bla bla bla.. I do but not all do.. so it can be easily overlooked especially if you're in the middle of a battle that needs timely dots/nukes/taps.. Usually they ll come to the spot see that yer killing there already and say something, but my usual response is sorry, I didnt see the/ooc or I would of told ya.. for the unruly feks that make it a point to try to make yer life miserable, thats unfortunate but for the most part, if they know u can FD they wont try to train lol.. I get that campin boats in Dulak from time to time, coz that is actually one spawn that people dont share.. so even with 20 mobs on the boat at a given time, people in dulak camps do not share the boats, namely coz each boat has a captain that drops decent lowb loot that can besold for 1-4 k depending on the item, but each boat also has decent blue diamond/ other type of similar gems drops. I usually make 2-3 k per run out to dulak if I have the patience to wait for the captain spawn or boat openin for that matter, but during that time, I usually get nearly 1 k in gem drops namely blue diamonds which sell for 240 pp depending on charisma.. Xp there is decent for low 50's, crappy at high 50's.

Have any of you ever fought in SG ?

[Jebasiz]

However the druid didn't seem to think so. I pull 1 hopper while she is finishing her kills. I get a tell "ummm.....I was like camping here." Now I'm in the ranger camp well away from where she was quading and can't possibly be in her camp site. So I assume she is saying that she is camping the entire caves area - all 30+ spawns.

Typical druid. That spawn has A TON of spawns...I seriously wouldn't worry about this person. Chances are if she's that irritating and anal with you, she's pissed alot of people off with her attitude already, and will continue to do so. /r keep crying, I don't care. Go do what you want. There are no camps, GM's basically tell you, if you agro first, it's your mob until you or it is dead. (Agro, doesn't even require damaging the mob btw). I've had alot of run-ins with druids while exping, and sadly they'll probably only guess worse for you, as both you and the druid community get tired of competing with each other for spawns. We hunt in alot of the same areas, and mobs so it's bound to happen once in a while. Sending a tell beforehand can help, but then if they say "no, it's camped" you'll probably get trained and get a tell like "I told you no." On the otherhand, some will say sure go right ahead. While exping on an alt I actually saw a druid call 3 boats on a camp check, I killed a captain, and he shouted stuff about me ks'ing and got laughed out of the zone.

There's good druids and bad druids...I wouldn't be to concerned about that douchebag.

Jeb

[Doomfir]

There are two sides to every argument. My main used to be a wizard who is more than adept at quad kiting. In Timorous Deep there are camps on the raptor island. Typically there are three of them. One on the south most island and two others on the northern most island.

The spawns there are perfectly broken into two sets of 4 on the north island and one set of 4, and one set of 3 on the south island. These island are imho reserved for quad kiting classes of druids and wizards. On the nameless they are camped 24 /7 typically by those classes from level 52 to level 61.

They are perfect for quad kiters. Easy splits of each group of 4, no adds, etc.. There is no better place to quad in the game for the races and levels mentioned. On occassion however, you get a necro, shaman, or whatever on the island who cant quad and is wasting the potential of the islands. You will have druids back logged as well as wizards waiting on the camps and a necro just ruins it.

I used to cause all kinds of grief on other classes for coming when they knew that it was an unwritten but still player enforced, quad kiters camp. I hold this same statement today even though I sold the wizard and I play the necro 90% of the time. Quad kiters need certain camps in which they can apply their skill. These include Cobalt Scar wyverns, TD raptors, and one or two other camps. I really don't think it is too much to ask to leave those just for quad kiters.

Now, I am not familiar with the caves you are talking about, but it could be one of those unspoken, but known places where quad kiting can occur in relative safety. It is a pretty sure thing if everytime you go there there is a druid quading, or wizard. If not, then have at it and tell them to go to TD.. lol.

[HazardousPanic]

Originally posted by Xarulsis Soulreaver@Jan 13 2004, 04:50 AM
I am a master of highkeep, I went there from 20-42 then 49-57. I have fought quite a few times over the bards and nobles camp. 1 thing I know for sure is YOU CANNOT CAMP THE WHOLE FLOOR!
What!?! That's not crazy - I had a Druid PL'n some n00b's say he camped ALL the guards. We were in the courtyard at the time. So we went upstairs.

NO!!! - "ALL THE GUARDS" Every floor. I kid you not.

[Jebasiz]

They are perfect for quad kiters. Easy splits of each group of 4, no adds, etc.. There is no better place to quad in the game for the races and levels mentioned. On occassion however, you get a necro, shaman, or whatever on the island who cant quad and is wasting the potential of the islands. You will have druids back logged as well as wizards waiting on the camps and a necro just ruins it.

I used to cause all kinds of grief on other classes for coming when they knew that it was an unwritten but still player enforced, quad kiters camp. I hold this same statement today even though I sold the wizard and I play the necro 90% of the time. Quad kiters need certain camps in which they can apply their skill. These include Cobalt Scar wyverns, TD raptors, and one or two other camps. I really don't think it is too much to ask to leave those just for quad kiters.

Now, I am not familiar with the caves you are talking about, but it could be one of those unspoken, but known places where quad kiting can occur in relative safety. It is a pretty sure thing if everytime you go there there is a druid quading, or wizard. If not, then have at it and tell them to go to TD.. lol.



Doomfir that's a load of crap. Any class is welcome to any spawn they hold on their own, or with the people that they have with them(their group). I camped wyverns in CS as a necro, I tried Timorous deep at spiroks, it sucked...I left. Noone can tell me or anyone else we can't be somewhere cuz we're the wrong class(not race)..that sir is friggen idiotic. As far as wasting the potential of the island..if someone enjoys killing them one at a time, it's not wasted... I pay my 12 bucks a month....you suck.

Jeb

[NeSikWay]

I have to say, that, I don't believe that any camp is for any particular class or race. I do however, dislike it when a very high level takes over camps of lower lvls just because they can. A couple of examples of this is Crushbone where people take over the TR room and tower, they do it for the faction work, when you can do it in other ways than takeing over a lower lvl exp spot. I went to Guk this passed weekend to get told 2 people call they were camping the whole zone!!!! I told them you can't camp a whole zone...the declined to agree with me, but I was with a friend to get a mage epic piece we still went and got it, I ignored them they aren't worth the troulbe, but had they cause us not to do our goals I would have made a log and petioned the GM. And I don't petition just because I can, and I don't take over whole zone just because you can, just because you can do certain things doesnt mean you are allowed or should ruined it for the rest. Just like they say, we all pay our 12 dollars a month.

Now let me state this, I think its unfair of sony to have some camps better than others, to where people hord certain parts of the game, they should do some zone balancing. I also think that the rules about camps (unwritten rules of eula) were made because others don't care if others have fun, they only think of them selves, granted there are times when there are 2 points of view of every camp story, and some who ks and may not mean to. I've also seen where people will jump on others and over others for mobs, and then claim there were ks'ed, and cry to the GM others aren't playing fair to steal camps from others, they use the system against others who are already playing fair, what do you do about those?

bottom line is the only way to make a difference is to show you are above it and in the long run you will enjoy EQ more, and have more personal gain than the ones who do the crappy stuff to others.

[Jebasiz]

Support your local bacteria, not bactria...I know it's a quote, but damn

Jeb

[Misdakyn]

I noticed how this discussion turned into a rant about camps. Personally,
I've experienced a lot of different behaviors over the years that I've played. It's kind of funny to hear people start yelling about how they 'OWN' this mob or that while they are sitting and healing from their last bout.

For example, I was in Paludal Caverns. My group mates where logging in and we were just waiting for everyone to show up. Some enchanter starts sending me tells about how I was in his camp! Umm, I am? I haven't hit a darned thing, hell nothing has aggro'd on me! I'm not even ready to start fighting, no pet, not grouped, etc... but I'm being told that I'm trying to KS him. Sooo, I set him straight about a few things...

1. NOBODY OWNS JACK in this game. You may THINK you do but until you've aggro'd, it's FFA. (Rules change when it comes to big ass raids tho... it's necessary! LAAG KILLS!!)

2. KS'ing is when I take a kill from you that you have aggro'd first. Just because I'm standing in the middle of a camp doesn't mean I'm KS'ing. Hell, I could be just standing there taking pics for someone for all you know.

3. I don't appreciate people yelling at me for doing NOTHING. Zip it! Shut yer hole and go back to medding!

People get so worked up about this. I have ALWAYS shared camps. ALWAYS! There may not be enough mobs in the camp to support more than 1 group but if another group wants to have some, be my guest! I'm not stingy, hell, I may even provide support. (I still have to calm my wife down when she sees someone cast a spell (like slow, mok, etc) on the mob she's fighting. She's always thinking someone is trying to KS her... freakin' paranoid druids.... ;) )

The point is people have forgotten how to share. It's always ME ME ME ME, MINE MINE MINE MINE. We would all be better off if everyone just sat back and accepted that we aren't alone in this world of Norrath and we need to get along.

BTW, I want to take issue with the person that claims that quad kiting classes takes precedence over other classes in certain zones. Bull! There are no zones dedicated to your ability to quad. There may be areas within zones that your ability may be of use but it doesn't mean the area was made for you and you alone! Noooope.

Peace!

Misdakyn
necro on Torv

[NeSikWay]

okay Jeb, I'll change it, never claimed I could spell any how, but sure took someone long enuf to point it out :)


There may not be such thing as Camps in EQ, but they are established to determine if one group can handle it or not. If someone is keeping a camp and are holding the kills, other players should repect that and play get mobs else where, now in PC I do believe that you can split each of the bandit camps in two to help more people and allow more people to play, and in PC it has change into more of a free for all...

And it is correct on the definition on KS, if you have agro and you got agro first (not the most) the mob is your and if others kill it, they have KSed not you. now if you agro and die, then that mob can be killed by anyone.

[Persephonae]

Originally posted by Misdakyn@Jan 22 2004, 01:15 PM

For example, I was in Paludal Caverns. My group mates where logging in and we were just waiting for everyone to show up. Some enchanter starts sending me tells about how I was in his camp! Umm, I am? I haven't hit a darned thing, hell nothing has aggro'd on me! I'm not even ready to start fighting, no pet, not grouped, etc... but I'm being told that I'm trying to KS him.
OMG.. I SOOOOO hear you on that one. I'm presently bound in HHK up on the second floor in the Gaurd Chopin room, so I can easily check to see if Nobles are free and if they're not, use the OT hammer to head out & go XP somewhere else.

I cannot tell you how many times I've gated in and before I've even fully popped in HHK, I get a snarky tell.

Sheesh, chill! If I start pulling your mobs and killing them, that's one thing, but mearly arriving in a spot where someone is camping shouldn't automatically tag someone as a KSer.

[Jebasiz]

Nesikway, I'm not contesting respect of camps...Doomfir just really hit a "nerve" so to speak saying I don't belong in a camp cuz I'm a necro, and not a wizard or druid. Anything they can camp we can to(and probably with more ease). Some of the newer players who read this board my actually believe that crap he wrote, and miss out on parts of the game they otherwise could of experienced, because "we don't belong there."

Jeb

[Fahllen]

First, I share the same grief as all of you when it comes to hunting certain MoB's and have them stolen from your camp. I started EQ 4-5 months ago and it never fails that a I get KS'd 1-3 times a week. I think the most problem that I see with people today is... THEY ARE FRIKKEN MORONS--ie: MoB spawns that you are "camping" with your team we'll say HHK 1 gaurd or whatever--guy zones in takes agro and kills him instantly...yea your disappointed but there are idiots within your party screaming in ooc that it is a KS. I really do think some people need to be edjucated on what a real KS is vs someone just taking a spawn from your camp.

My second and most biggest problem is reality, Greedy People Make Druids; Dicks Make Druids; Morons Make Druids; then there are the nice people who make them. I hate to say it but I have met far more mean true KSing, greedy, moronic, and dick Druids than I can count. Granted!-There are some nice ppl that I do know of that are druids(which I am not judging you) so do not take offense if you are one of those people.

Then there is "camps", there is no such thing as camps--there never will be. Camping is something that is just a player to player respect. I am a nice person by nature and in gameplay, I will give my camp to XP'ers over my farming anyday.
However, I refuse to give any camp to anyone who is PLing, that ruins the learning and the fun of the game(hints why I do not ever pay for KEI, cause I've seen too many of those Enchanters that I gamed with or have heard of that have killed thousands of parties because they were PL'd LvL 1-40 or whatever and do not know the basic standards of their class).

Rule of thumb on camp checks, if they have battle spam I'd say 50% chance they are not gonna see it. Druids are most naturally the greediest class I have seen(again granted there are some nice druids out there). I hate PL'ers and believe that anyone who takes camps from newbs so they can PL is rude and greedy in its own way--when there are other spots less public to conduct such activities.

Anyone can hack this up, just my experience and what I have seen that has been unpleasant.


Fahllen


Undead Is Only The Beginning

[Jebasiz]

I think the biggest problem with the stereotype of druids, is they're so numerous. The can only hunt in so many ways, and most servers have tons of them, so they're forced to hunt in places they wouldn't normally, and get defensive about a spawn once they finally get one. The problem necromancers have with this, is alot of those camps are very easy and rewarding for us, so we frequent them to, creating confrontation. Maybe I got lucky, or just ignore stupid behavior as a matter of habit, but for every one greedy, moronic druid I've met, I've met 3-4 nice druids as well. I don't think it's a "class" issue that makes the stereotype, but atleast in higher level zones...the bad druids are fewer and further between. DSP I think has always been a haven to crap like that, when I was leveling my (now level 40 sk) there was a level 55 paladin farming acrylia, killing spawns in front of me(for acrylia). I then put 300 small/large/bricks/black acylia on my trader for about 70% of the going rate, just to screw the guy outta some cash heh.
I guess people all play differently and for different reason...but DSP has kinda always been like that.

Jeb

[Fahllen]

I don't intentionally mean to stereotype every druid in that way...but it has always been my experience that on my server there are more of the bad druids than good. For example, lemme just tell you another way I have been mistreated by a person of that class.

HHK, always a good place for confrontations(not that anytime I go there I intend to start one). Levelin my wizzy on the gobbie camps down below. Two guys are trying to camp WR/RR and doing quite a horrible job(ranger + druid). In fact so horrible everytime the rooms pop the MR(where I was) would constantly get trained and we would wipe them out np at all.

Now both the guys will not allow anyone else to group with them, they cannot manage the camp, and the druid was being a bit mouthy. So both of them leave the zone. About 10-15 minutes later after repeated camp checks we took WR/RR. Druid and the ranger come back all ticked saying we took their camp. I wanted to make some peace between the two, the ranger said he was gonna leave and invite his druid friend. So we did, druid sits there and meds while we take next spawn...next thing we know we are GGated to Butcherblock. Fortunetly to a 55 ranger in the zone and I was bound in HHK we were able to claim the camp before the druid ever set foot in it.

Low down? Yea I'd say so...I have a ton of these stories relating to druids and nasty habits that I have never encountered from any other class. I have met two druids within 200 that I had a good encounter with.


Fahllen

[Jebasiz]

Haha, that would suck. I sometimes see a druid or two on bertox trying to solo in droga, fortunetly for me though they've only trained me with named mobs, so I just wait til they die, and /t them thanks for loot. Then since I know the spawns are open...I add them to my farm cycle, and just keep 3-5 named/spawns clear. Those 2 druids haven't shown up there for a while now though...Droga's been alot less productive recently for me cuz of their absence.....There's a use for bad druids I guess.

Jeb

[Fizzleplink]

I often think that it's because druids are easy to play at a low level of thought or competence. A crappy player can take a druid to 65 and still remain oblivious to many of the class's finer points... or even basic points of other classes.

As always, good players can make godlike characters, regardless of class.

Edit: Spelling.

[Keystone]

I'm a dick i would tell you to fuck off and continue to solo all 30..tho there's no reason i'd ever be in dawnshroud so nvr mind!

[Keystone]

forgot, dunno exact policy or whatever but to me aggro'ing a mob doesn't constitute ownership it's first to engage the mob .... like if some faggot aggro's gorenaire and runs her around for 15min waiting on people to get there to help him kill her i'll be damned if i'm gonna sit there and not kill her off him

[Fahllen]

I agree w/ Fizzle, most people who play druids do not know what they are capable of; or they do and abuse the ability by harrassing other players. Druids are probably one of the easiest classes by the way they look. IE: 40-50ish druid walks into Mountains of Rathe, he can root and dot every hill giant in sight. Although I don't think it is right, I have picked up the habit with my wizard to go in and kite 3-5 with my AE snare and nuke'm to death.

However I had a nice run in with one in East Wastelands yesterday. I was camping the orc fort for fun, exp, and whatever may drop. This guy had some spare time and decided to heal my pet etc.. let me melee stuff like that.

About the whole moron grabbing agro and running around like an idiot. That is considered KSing if you take that MoB. Anyways useless post--


Fahllen

[Jebasiz]

It's not useless, the idiot running gorenaire around is using a stalling tactic and is in no way shape or form prepared to engage her. Lifetap gorenaire once and fd, and that kiter is dead, gorenaire is yours, and /finger to the people stalling to get help. Contention is just that, if your not ready get the hell out of the way for the person(s) who is/are.

Jeb

[Nuraku]

I have been reading the replys to your post. I can only say that it is insane to let someoone camp a whole zone. there are way to many mobs in the caves. you can camp a particular mob ( a small room I imagine) but never a whole floor or zone. Look this is only a game I know. Yet there are priciples here. To allow someone to get away with that is plain wrong. You only encourage that kind of behavior. I have found Gms most reasonable. In situations like that I'll remain. Though I'll let my guild know so they will not be blind sided later. I mean reputations can be at stake- my guild has always supported me. SO long as I'm in right. I'm not going to be stupid and pull a stunt. And when a gm arrives I'll explain the situation. Also I take the precaution of doing a /report just incase there is an issure CYA my friends CYA. You cannot please the world -so don't try. She may have gotten angry-that is life. All that player learns by being given in to is that they can do it again- never encourage that.

[Fahllen]

Yep tagging mobs and running around like a chicken with its head cut off til some backup arrives is stupid. I think what Nuraku is trying to say is we are doing negative reinforcement(in other words giving a cookie to the kid who steals as opposed to the one that doesn't) and allowing that behavior to continue. Much less I think it is up to us, necros or whatever class, as people to stop such things.

That means that we will be causing a ruckus and making confrontations. My best example is when I go to HHK to fool around help newbies and tag some gaurds. There are tons of ppl who come there and say they are camping All gaurds. I call their bullshit in ooc and I will kill as many of those gaurds until they either leave or they designate a specific floor. One floor has about a maximum of 7-10 gaurds(except a floor). Easy for anyone 45+ to solo, but the 30's on the first floor are wanting exp so I give it to them and take from the guy who is supposedly "camping all gaurds".

With all the situations I have encountered and that have involved GM's, I really could care less if such-and-such player camps whatever area. "Camps" do not exist, its a player to player respect one which I will not abuse to the right people. But ff I want it I'll take it, not by KSing, I'll take agro and slaughter it.

I really do think that is up to us, the better of the EQ players. If we see some lowbie getting abused by a higher toon then we should step in. We are not GM's but this is as much as our realm as theirs to govern. Lets make a difference amongst fellow gamers than just directly our own toon, our own being.


Fahllen

[NeSikWay]

Oh, jeb wasn't just talking about you, but I do believe we have to repect some camps, and believe that camping a whole zone is not something anyone should do, none of my comments were directed at you, just the quote thing :) But recently I've seen people abuse the rules to make them fit their own needs. an example of the druid agroing gore is an example. If I saw that I would start cheering for Gore :) YOU GO GORE!

[Devlinn Deathcaster]

uhmmmm yeah hate when people say... HEY wtf are you doing im camping this whole area! really gay and usually end up dead for taking a mob becuz they PKED me. its really lame and gms dont give aalot of attention here on Vallon Zek