DoN "Creator " Missions

[Felicite]

http://www.obsessionmatrix.com/creator.jpg

Always behind the curve am I. Just did a Creator mission this weekend with a friend the SK pulling. The way we showed us was easy. Clear the entry area, work up left and clear room A and B. Then bring the garden stone guys. Then bring the Furious stone guy from the now cleared A/B rooms. Then back to entry. Pop the Creator, FD split to single the 4 stone guys (actually I just mezed) and kill the big guy.

So. The next night I decide to dou one with Warspite (with 4 bots in the Guild Hall so triple crystals each) using kiting and root rotting. This was working great (and netting me 5-9% AAXP a kill in the dou) until I got to rooms "A" and "B". Aside from the loverly goats and their super hoof stun (worked those out.. mostly), I was getting aggro as the doors opened. "B" had 5 mobs in it, at least 4 in assist range. An un-SoWed pet with Calliv was never making it back. I finally ran Cachet down and did it with pac and mez.

Question: Do you clear these rooms, or just pet pull the named stone guy when he pops? Other than these two rooms, this was a slam dunk Necro/Necro dou mission.

Edit: Also the LoS trick for CHealing mobs still works really well.

[rukasak]

welll....

I normally play with 3 toons, same computer. One is my lvl 69 nec, one a lvl 68 mage, and currently i am leveling another necro who is currently lvl 62.


I pull everything on the porch first so that my camp/kite area is clear. I also clear the east side of the porch where there is normally a single drake, then the two sentries that would be in the same area as where the creator spawns..

Now, I will work the main hallway to the left. I will kill all the roaming drakes no matter how long it takes me or keep my eyes open realizing there may be more. I use the main hall as a kite runway later on.

I then fd/snare the two sentries at the top of the left ramp. Take care of the puma then head into the garden.

BTW, I pull all the mobs back to the porch area where my mage and other necro can send in their pets (i can occasionally cast bolt of jerikor (sp?)).. I cant spend too much time with the other toons cept to send in the pets as I am running around kiting whichever target I currently have.

the garden may have a puma spawned just inside the door at the bottom of the stair. There are usually roaming drakes that follow the eastern wall. Be careful of them as one could be right behind the door when you open it. I have a pre-nerf CoS and I will invis up here (and other places) just in case. If the drakes are further along the wall I will tell my (lost soul) pet to guard outside the door, target the puma, then move away. I send in my pet to gain aggro and use pet hold to bring him back to his guard spot. This allows me time to snare the puma and tell my pet to follow me then pet hold. then kill it.

I will then most likely root rot any roaming drakes left... it depends on whether it is a bad sort of caster or not.

I will then use a green pet pull to kill the defunct by root rot.


back to the hallway and kill the next puma, then the possible drake and sentry in front of the small hallway.


I will use just a simple snare/fd pull on the two sentries in the small hallway. I will have to FD twice to get the distance separation I need between the two sentries.


now comes the fun part Felicite.

If you have a tracking class then by all means use he/she to track which sideroom the furious is on... if you dont then I guess you can see if you are lucky or not.

I always go to the left (south) side first and spawn my lvl 48 green pet. I use that wimpy little shield we have (I do not have any of the pet invuln spells) and will park him on this side of the first door but still close enough for him to attack whichever mob i go after. I try to make sure that my pet is far enough out from the door so that when the kirin follows him back out, the kirin is clear of the door.

I go invis to the door and click while starting to move backwards.. yes it is a timing thing but it can be done... and you will get used to it.

there are up to two mobs inside the first set of doors. To alleviate aggro issues I will guard my pet on whichever side the mob is on. Then I move back far enough out of aggro range (which really isnt very large anyways) and fd. Then i send in my pet and hit pet hold (again another timing issue) once it gains aggro. The pet normally lives long enough to make it back outside the door or to it's guard spot. This allows me to jump up and cast root... notice i said root... kirins have pretty high MR and have a tendency resist darkness a lot... they will resist root too but not as bad. I also have enough room so that if root is resisted i can FD.. hopefully.

I will clear the first room so that i can get close enough (without aggroing mobs in the next room) to open the next set of doors up to see if the Furious is up there. If so I will again use a green pet pull to pull any of the closer mobs (to the door). When there is only one or two mobs, close to him, then i can use a standard FD/snare pull or a green pet pull....

spawn the creator.. I will kill the 4 mobs, because it doesnt take very long, then kill the creator.

rukasak

[Meph]

I usually clear inside to the right, kill 3 statues to pop named, clear up to the two rooms, clear any kirins in room before named, kill any drake that might be inside on left or right side of the inner door then just pet pull Furious Sentry. Unsowed skelly dies alot but after 1-5 trys i usually pull him out successfully. The 4 statues in the end + Creator are only a formality.

Getting named out of the room is the most tricky part sometimes there only 1 and sometimed 5-6 mobs inside.

Also any of you noticed random radom mobs repop in the zone? Once i cleared my way to Furious , started splitting mobs in named room when a statue in the hall poped on my ass mid fight stunning me and getting splated by mobs i was splitting. Only ever had this once.

[rukasak]

yes Meph...

that one does respawn on occasion.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Meph@Jul 5 2005, 03:39 PM
Also any of you noticed random radom mobs repop in the zone? Once i cleared my way to Furious , started splitting mobs in named room when a statue in the hall poped on my ass mid fight stunning me and getting splated by mobs i was splitting. Only ever had this once.
As it was explained to me the roamers repop.. slowly. The first time I did this with the SK, the bottom roamer had returned and we killed before we Identified the stone.

[Meph]

That mob was static though and i killed it like 10-15 mins before.

[richardrahll]

I've done several creator missions.

Usually the order, and this goes pretty quick, is to clear the zone-in courtyard, including the area where the creator pops at the end. Then clear the hallway to the left(or right, doesn't matter) of roamers, clear the left hallway of static spawns, do the defunct sentrys in the garden, clear up to Furious Sentry, pet-pull, or harmony pull or pacify pull or mezz adds, depending on class makeup to deal with The furious sentry. Then back down the same path to the courtyard. Clear re-pops in courtyard, then pop creator with group in back corner and tank waiting at creator pop point. All out dps on creator to clear him...as long as group stays in corner, the adds don't agro.

Moving fast, and only killing the minimum necessary has been the key to success in the creator groups i've been in.

edit: clarification after reading Xislaben's post with an excellent mod of Felicite's map. as long as group stays in corner, the adds don't agro I meant by this of course the mobs that spawn when the creator is popped, since at this point you should have already cleared any re-pops on the area

[Xislaben]

If you all gather in the far right corner and identify the rock thingy you can kill the end guy without killing the 4 guards that pop. Less xp but faster crystal/faction mission.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8068/creator15iu.jpg

This can be a 30 minute mission or better with a group on the ball.

[Nirruden]

Originally posted by Xislaben@Jul 6 2005, 02:58 PM
This can be a 30 minute mission or better with a group on the ball.
Xislaben's map is the way I have always seen this mission pulled. (I rarely volunteer to pull these, since they can slaughter me with a single round of good hits (self buffed ~2.2khp) and there are many casters.)

1. The 'Courtyard' where you zone in. All static mobs.
2. The path leading to the "doors" where the Creator spawns.
3. The hallway inside the temple, leading around one side to rooms A/B.
4. All roamers in the interior hallway.
5. Room A.
6. Room B.
7. Back to the central garden to pop the stone statues with nukes (low hp)
8. Back to A/B to get Furious Sentry dead.
9. Move to creator spawn point. Group in corner, tank on Creator spawn.
10. Spawn Creator.
11. Lather, rinse, maim.

The only time I've seen a problem skipping the four statues is if people dance around too much while fighting the Creator. The statues will not agro unless you get closer to them. Once the creator is down, DMF/Invis and mission getter gates back to get next mission. The rest of the group waits near the entry-pad, and as soon as the new mission arrives, they just step right back in.

Occasionally some of the static mobs will repop. It's not -all- of them, and it doesn't always happen, but sometimes one of the static statues or drakes will repop. It's not usually a problem, you simply down them again and carry on. Just remind your group that running blindly down hallways that hold mobs can be hazardous to their health.

[Xislaben]

To leave I've always just removed mysefl from the mission once complete, and just invis before the 2 min timer hits and punts ya.

Why does my image link say "user submitted image" instead of showing the image?

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Xislaben@Jul 6 2005, 10:54 AM
Why does my image link say "user submitted image" instead of showing the image?
I see the picture.. not sure. That's a general board error message for 404s, bad extensions in IMG tags.

[richardrahll]

Originally posted by Xislaben@Jul 6 2005, 05:54 PM
Why does my image link say "user submitted image" instead of showing the image?

When using firefox i get that occasionally. I think sometimes firefox has a problem in resolving whether to use a cached image or to re-load the image from the originating site. I've always been able to fixing it by emptying my cache, which forces a re-load from the originating website.

Currently i'm using Opera, which allows me to see the Gifs, but gives me the option to turn the animation off. I truly loathe most gif animation, but still want to see the pretty pics. In short, i've tamed your wild and crazy gif, at least on my computer, Xislaben. :D ;) :lol:

[Veratu]

A bit off topic here, but I just did this mission last night with a lower level group, I believe everyone was lvl 64 or 65 except myself and a lvl 70 Druid.

I have breezed through this mission so many times it's not funny, but last night with the lower level group I was with we had two wipes (well all except me... good old necro fd and CR to the rescue!), and I can't remember ever having more fun in that zone! We did win the mission and I believe my lower lvl companions learned some valuable lessons that will serve them well in the future..... like don't be afraid to let the necro pull! ;)

I'm sure it helped that everyone in the group was of a decent sort, but sometimes there's a lot to be said of enjoying the adventure rather than just finding the quickest way through it. :)

Veratu

[Xislaben]

Nota bene, after an hour in one mission (we lost the clr and they wanted to get another instead of kite them) I did see a single mob by the main entrance (roamer stone guy) repop, so I'm sure they do repop unless he was hiding somewhere for the full hour.

[Fazzeel]

I've noticed that Stone Sentinels will occasionally repop...sometimes more than once.

It has always been the static one by the first hallway.

I haven't had the chance to try to solo one of these yet.... If you do, make sure you clear the back rooms where Furious spawns before killing the defuncts...it makes pulling them so much easier.

[Deceptros]

Edit: Also the LoS trick for CHealing mobs still works really well.

for us less informed what is the "LOS" trick?

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Deceptros@Jul 16 2005, 12:07 PM
Edit: Also the LoS trick for CHealing mobs still works really well.

for us less informed what is the "LOS" trick?
I wrote this: Dealing with Cleric MOBs (http://www.necrotalk.com/index.php?showtopic=3786) to demonstrate that you can sometimes kill healing MOBs without them healing.

[Deceptros]

very useful info thank you for sharing :D

[BlackHeart]

I finaly got the faction up to start doing Creator missions last weekend. 3-boxing with bard, necro and mage. But, it is not the 68+ mission. Guess I need to re-ding 70 again with necro or bard and try it. To be honest, on these lower level ones, I dont really need the mage except as a 3rd person to get the mission. I still get 37 crystals each player per win. Which is 111 total.

These long hallways and short agro ranges of mobs are perfect for bard pulling. After the initial "getting to know the area" mission I have not pulled more than 1 mob at a time unless I wanted to.

With this combo, I deal with healers a little different too. I just chain mez them with bard. Complete heal casting is significantly longer than mez song ticks. And when they are trying to heal, they just keep trying no matter how many times you interrupt them.

[Jebasiz]

You can use the LoS non-healing "trick" solo as well, just without root. I normally stack dots on casters, leave my pet on them(backstabbing away (furiously, or so he tells me) and run around 2 corners. Normally the darkness slows the healers down enough that the dots kill it before it sees me and heals itself.

[Deceptros]

imo its easier to FD pull this with snare and reset. I learned it when pulling for groups and its not too bad at all so now when I go duo I know all the lil tricks.
Just pull the courtyard to give yourself a base to operate out of.
invis every chance you can to give yourself a lil more safety.
pull all roamers when they are alone or at least make sure they arent near by when splitting something else.
bring everything back to the courtyard (if it makes it that far) go slowly around corners with the mob on your heals cause it s a pain when they get stuck. In the garden pull the two mobs by the door way then split the defuncts and root rot (or nuke if youre sure youre gonna crit for a one shot one kill)
when pulling the Furious sentry open the first door while backing up
... split the first two if there are two.
Then go thru the first doors and quickly open the second doors while backing up.
Cast snare on the FS and run away almost all the way to the opposite door and FD.
Lets adds reset and take the FS to die.
Then pop the creator and guards. Kite those around the courtyard (which is really a formality)

as far as healers go I duo this so the rooting with aggro and running out of sight thing works. Since the aggro has been lowered on the poison line I load the mobs up with disease (for aggro) and magic (for dmg)

if this has all been covered sorry for the double post :blink:

[Jebasiz]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/gw01749/creator1.jpg

Blue = roamers

Red = statics

Black = spawns after identify.

Green = sentries

[Felicite]

Imma no wanna pick on Jebjeb, but.

In the initial courtyard, there is often one by the door into the temple. Sometimes two pumas, sometimes one, sometimes none.

I have personally seen Room B with 3 mobs in it.. and 6.

There are a great many "fixed" spawn points.. that's alot of them, but not "all".

But they don't always spawn at mission start.

I swear they spawn later.. I used to think the person that first said this was mad, but I have seen a drake appear in the middle area the 4 stone guys appear when you identify.. while I was clearing the courtyard. I looks it's empty, I start kiting a puma and POOF, Drake appears while I am watching.

Edit: Way more importantly are the little alcoves outside room A and B, there are often two goats.

[Xislaben]

I've seen 3 wanderers by the entrance from the courtyard before, and 2 wanderers by where the creator pops.

SOE's going to nerf the crystal reward for this mission they've indicated, though not in so many words.

[Errelin]

At level 66, how would the regular XP be?

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Errelin@Jul 29 2005, 09:54 PM
At level 66, how would the regular XP be?
Ave lvl under 68 is ok, ave lvl 68+ is much better, nearly 2x better.

IE, you need at least 3 ppl to get the missions, and it scales by ave level.

[Jebasiz]

Ya it varries, and sometimes there's no puma at the bottom of the steps in the sentry yard. That extra drake I believe to be a roamer..so I didn't really put it in there.

The A and B rooms are consistently, inconsistent..The layout is what I found to be there the majority of the time..some combination of those 4, the other 2-3 possibly spawns are there, but it's rare to have them all. It also seems if you start the mission with 3 people, you get less spawns..vice starting it with 6(which I never do).

edit..there's probably a few more Kirin's in the sentry room to, although I never deal with them, only killing the closest 1 to the steps cuz I hate adds. There might be one more wandering drake too, it's hard to tell since # of people changes # of mobs.

[Ankhe]

What about pulling this thing truely solo. What is the best strat for that?

[Aryse Andenter]

Snare FD pull. Its super easy to split the mobs if you want to do the whole thing solo. You can clear the entry yard without the need to split. Watching the wanderers you won't have to split to kill those. Then just snare any mob that is too close to another, run back to the entrance room, FD and wait for the unsnared buddy to reset. Totally standard.

When doing the sentries they don't have many hp. Your pet should be able to take care of the blue ones on his own.

[purulence]

Once you've cleared the courtyard and the hall on one side, you can pull the farthest guys without much effort. Just snare one and run (with runspeed) back to the courtyard. They will warp on you just before you get there (so you don't have to walk them back) and then split them easily there. I find it's easier than splitting in the hallways and faster when pulling for a group to get the mobs back.

With my bard I use this on the furious sentry. After tracking to find which side, I use EOZ to open the doors, lull a few quickly and bellow the furious. Mezz any that run with him and run full speed back to the courtyard, he warps, I fade and single furious for me. Obviously not completely applicable to a necro, but that works for me.

JMO

[FCseven]

A little tip if you are pet pulling.

1.For getting the 3 sentrys Get your 48 pet up,cast callav line on him,have him sit in the garden room close to sentrys,target one of the sentys,run back to cortyard.

2.sic pet when you get back to courtyard and /pet hold,he will warp through the wall bringing the sentry with him.He will not bring adds

3.I use this method when pulling creator missions all of the time,the only trouble is the time it takes to run back to get all 3 of them. Ive seen one necro use the 59 pet to pet pull but after using him brought adds one time I decided 48 pet is best.

I time myself when pulling and the average time it takes is 45 mins,i usullay end at 5:15 on the clock.

[rukasak]

have people move to the garden, use the lvl 48 pet, have him guard right next to the wall and you fd a little ways away... dont need any buffs cept pet hold.

fd, then send pet in and hit pet hold as soon as you see the sentry turn around. if you spaced your self properly wait till your pet gets back to the guard spot, stand up and cast your best root. then snare then dark nightmare. your pet is probably destroyed so start casting a new pet while the sentry dies.

rinse, repeat till all three dead.... then send everyone back to the porch and finish pulling the hallway...

I dont have calliav at all so i have had to be a bit more creative

ruk

[Felicite]

I finally did one of these (full strength 70 average) by my onesy this weekend (yeah yeah I am gimp.. but it's faster with two, or three). I did it just the same as I do with a kite group.

I use a 70 (or 67) pet to clear the courtyard, and up to the T where the Furious Spawns (I still always go left.. just because).

Then I use the 48 pet to pull the garden.. and the Furious. And as someone said, finding the Furious is pretty easy "click as you back up" prevents door aggro 99% of the time (1% is a bitch).

Closest thing I had a problem was door aggro from the garden as I was just running by from a Drake Cleric. Bad news, Run 5 Drake unsnared in melee range. Good news, stupid caster tossing slow Cleric Nukes equals tons of time to snare.

Took a tad longer (stuff has way too many hit points), but no deaths for teh win.

[Kelvanan]

ok here is my general strategy:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e397/phaite/mycreator.gif

Start at position 1, clear the area around the start including the area I will need clear for the creator: After that is complete I train into the garden following the purple line and FD at position 2 to drop my aggro (up to 2 minutes). Once aggro is dropped I follow the red line to position 3 inside the corner, where I rot rot and kill the puma that may or may not be in the corner and then pet pull and nuke kill the defunct sentries.

Once the sentries are dead I kill what I need to in order to clear the hallway between the two spots the furious spawned in then move to the intersection in between the two spawn points. I kill what I need to to figure out what spot he spawned in (North or South) then pull and root rot him.

Once he is dead and looted I train back to the front following the green line and once more fd to drop aggro. Then pet pull the creator by placing my pet before doing the identify with bullwark of calliav on him moving back, casting identify on the crystal, getting creator as target and moving back close to position 1 but a little north (about halfway). Immediately after giving /pet attack I give /pet follow me command so that when I put the pet on hold he runs back to me instead of the spot he was guarding, once I see the mpet come back around the corner I move to the southwest corner of the porch and begin to cast snare on creator and kite his ass till dead. I can usually do a creator mission solo in about 30-45 minutes depending on whether I run into a gating mob....they suck.

[Fargrace]

Has anyone tried this since the anniversary patch. It seems that they have shortened the repop time and doubled the amount of roamers making this a bit of an add hell.

[Hellandra]

Did couple last night, and repop time is the same as it was since the mission started respawning.

Roamers seem to be relative, same as they always were. As many of these that I've done, my best logic is there is a number of mobs total give or take a few. The more roamers that appear, seems to be in direct correllation to the number of static mobs. I am always pulling, so I always pray for more statics.

I had one with very few roamers, and a boatload of statics, then turned around to be in roamer hell with very few statics. Usually, in a solid group with high DPS, I can pull it fast enough to beat the respawn. Last night, I had a mediocre grp with a chanter that wasn't taying appention, and ended up with a gater on a roamer heavy mission. Needless to say the gater brought many friends. After CR'ing due to chanter error, we had to literally start over. End result was winning but respawn got us around the first 2 Baywatch golems right inside the first left.

One thing I did notice on this run, which pissed me off no end, was there were NO golems by the Creator spawn point when I started the initial clearing. When we ran back after popping Furious, sure enough, there were 2 of em spawned by the Creator spot. Not sure if this is a glitch, but I can understand respawn. Having more mobs pop afterthefact is pretty much just heinous on many levels.

Considering they openly admitted that the mission was always intended to respawn, and magically "fixed" itself on a patch somewhere along the way, Creators aren't the cashcow of crystals they used to be. Especially if you aren't playing with skilled players.

[Zarkh]

I pull with my monk ;) But I used to do it with the necro, before the monk got to the level where he is just so much better at creator pulling. The respawns are pretty trivial to beat, as long as you have semi-decent dps in the group. If you don't, well, then make sure to keep track of when to expect them, and it's still pretty easy. After all, you're all the CC anyone could need on a creator mission ;)

[Marpedod]

Originally posted by Hellandra@Mar 27 2006, 02:41 PM
One thing I did notice on this run, which pissed me off no end, was there were NO golems by the Creator spawn point when I started the initial clearing. When we ran back after popping Furious, sure enough, there were 2 of em spawned by the Creator spot. Not sure if this is a glitch, but I can understand respawn. Having more mobs pop afterthefact is pretty much just heinous on many levels.

Get used to that, because those spawn at the same time as using ID on the crystal....every single time. As long as you have the whole group move up to the front corner near the Creator's door, they won't add.

[AbyssalMage]

Ok, I'm going to feel like an idiot for asking this but....

I've tried to solo/box this dang mission a few times but fail on last fight so my question is....

You FD then send bones into mob to gain agro and pull him back out into the CY that you ZI into? And do you use the lvl 46 Pet or just your normal pet and FD him hoping it works? If you can be as percise as possible I would LOVE it.

I need to do this mission a few hundred times for faction (I can get on the box) but need to improve my faction on Necro (and other toons) and getting crystals while getting faction is nice.

Thanks,
Mindlezz
Level 67 on Theris-Thule, errr....Prexus

[Felicite]

Pet pulling is no more.

Sorry.

[baldysm]

Any suggestion as to what level you should be before you start soloing The Creator?

[Drazzminius]

What level are ya?

;)

[baldysm]

Hehe, I'm 65.

I like the exp in vxed, but the stonemites are a PITA going out and getting a new mission all the time. The loot sucks as well.

[Drazzminius]

Nobles' Causeway was my favorite in the late 60's. Nice drops, too when you can get them. Lotsa gems and vendor trash, but the occasional Trean Flies, Discordant Sciorae, etc. I'm hard core solo and can't/don't get groups for missions, so no advice for you there.

[Vivamort]

you can solo all the mobs in creator at 65 no problem (the mobs are appropriate level for the group average level anyway), some of the Creator instances respawn though, and maybe the one you would get at 65 does. If it does then keeping up with respawn and being able to progress could be difficult.

[baldysm]

Thanks Viva

[AbyssalMage]

you can solo all the mobs in creator at 65 no problem (the mobs are appropriate level for the group average level anyway), some of the Creator instances respawn though, and maybe the one you would get at 65 does. If it does then keeping up with respawn and being able to progress could be difficult.

If you get the 65 level average Creator it will. Forgot the avg. level breakdows (some one posted the breakdowns from LDoN's and DoN's seem to follow the same group average level system). Long story short, I believe its Group avg level of 58-62.999...will get you ther Creator that will not respawn. 63+ group average would give you the respawning creator's and that requires quite a push to stay ahead of respawns. Anything less than lvl 58 group average and I believe you can't request the Creator mission (thats pure speculation on my part but thought I read that some where for Creator Tier DoN's). Wish I could be more help on the group avg lvl breakdowns but I lost my LDoN breakdown chart when I quit boxing them.

I just shroud down to lvl 60 and grab a few others and then request Creators. Less crystals but works and no worries about respawns.