Specifications on AA/epic pets

[CigamHelspawn]

Checked all the pet topics and did not find this, nor have I found much on the web, so here goes:

I can find here the stats (most impotantly damage/hps) og all pets EXCEPT:

pets resulting from AAs such as Wake the Dead, Swarm of Decay and Army of the Dead.

Not sure about the pets from the epic 1.5 (and 2.0?) for necros.

How much damage (delay?) do they do?

How many hps?

With WtD and AotD does what the corpse is matter in the stats or will a WTD on a decaying skeleton do the same as a WTD on the corpse of Quarm?

Do pet augs affect their hps or damage at all?

If you have pet affinity aa and someone casts a group buff are they affected?

Do they have their own aggro or do they count as yourself for aggro purposes?

I have seen folks diss these AAs as 'just for snits and giggles".. Are they worthless to a soloing necro?

Before I invest those AAs I want to make sure I won't regret it and the info is sadly lacking regarding the specifics of these AAs (and epic pets tho to a lesser degree).

I think DC pet hits for like 143 but not sure on HPs I think they have HP of the mob dire charmed.

Also as for pets taking exp, do the aa pets (other than DC) damage count as 'pet damage' or as 'your damage"?

Sorry if these sound like stupid questions but I don't want to put aas in worthless places... some say these AAs are useless, others disagree, but neither side seems to give the pet stats when making their arguments that I have seen.

Often it is on a level of 'your momma!' to the other side... extremely unhelpful indeed.

Thanks in advance for good info.

Cig

[Felicite]

Checked all the pet topics and did not find this, nor have I found much on the web, so here goes:

I can find here the stats (most impotantly damage/hps) og all pets EXCEPT:

pets resulting from AAs such as Wake the Dead, Swarm of Decay and Army of the Dead.

Not sure about the pets from the epic 1.5 (and 2.0?) for necros.

How much damage (delay?) do they do?

How many hps?

With WtD and AotD does what the corpse is matter in the stats or will a WTD on a decaying skeleton do the same as a WTD on the corpse of Quarm?

Wake the Dead

Melees at or near the 90s, does Flurry and Crit from pet AA, casts any and all spells if you WTD a caster*
Hit points seem to be a standard amount.. guessing 5k +/- 2k

* Danger.. warning.. will Root, Dispell and Charm at the *worst* time and with NPC rules ie: no level checks.

Pre Omens I read the melee portion of WTD was basically even to a Child of Bertox. I am sure someone has more specific parsing than that, but it's a start.

Army of the Dead

Melees at or near the 90s, does Flurry and Crit from pet AA, does not cast (whew.. see WTD)
Hit points seem to be a standard amount.. guessing 5k +/- 2k

It matters not at all what you Wake or Army (except WTD casts.. which is more often bad than good, honest!).

I do not have Archers or Epic (but I have read that Epic pet is not meant to be hit.. that might of changed?).

Do pet augs affect their hps or damage at all?

If you have pet affinity aa and someone casts a group buff are they affected?

Dunno (and don't have).

Do they have their own aggro or do they count as yourself for aggro purposes?

They can absolutely hold aggro while you do things to the target.. somewhat, like your pet.

I have seen folks diss these AAs as 'just for snits and giggles".. Are they worthless to a soloing necro?

Before I invest those AAs I want to make sure I won't regret it and the info is sadly lacking regarding the specifics of these AAs (and epic pets tho to a lesser degree).

WTD is fun, but dangerous. AotD is situationally very useful because you can swarm a target and keep it busy a few rounds.

I think DC pet hits for like 143 but not sure on HPs I think they have HP of the mob dire charmed.

Also as for pets taking exp, do the aa pets (other than DC) damage count as 'pet damage' or as 'your damage"?

All you have to do is 1 (one) damage.

Sorry if these sound like stupid questions but I don't want to put aas in worthless places... some say these AAs are useless, others disagree, but neither side seems to give the pet stats when making their arguments that I have seen.

Often it is on a level of 'your momma!' to the other side... extremely unhelpful indeed.

Thanks in advance for good info.

Cig

Not stupid at all. IMO with yout 4 AAs I would worry more about Spell Casting Mastery, Critical Affliction, 66/Death Peace, 67/spells and Combat Agility/Lightning Reflexes before I would stress on pet AAs. All of these are bigger bang for the buck items.

Dire Charm is 99.9% useless.. I want a refund. WTD is a requirement for AotD. AotD is useful situationally.. sometime around AA 150-250. Really.

People diss it because as the DPS really isn't there. It's useful to make extra speed bumps between you and the mob in some encounters. Like.. with 5 corpses and 4 AotD3 Necros you can swarm 20 pets. And like Lifeburn, the cast time is slooooow.

But when I toss my little Army (with full Pet Flurries and Crits) I can barely tell the difference kiting an XP mob.

[Dranul]

Whee, I can add in something!

For the most part, waking up a decaying skeleton or Quarm results in the same pet, except for a small note. Bash stuns are calculated based on the level of your pet versus that of the target, and swarm pets will keep the level they had at death. Most of the time, this doesn't mean much, because if you're waking a mob on another mob, you're probably killing the same type of mob anyway.

Edit - Small grammar problem.

[chabeksis]

I bought Swarm of Decay, and it does help my burst dps. It will improve as I get my pet AAs, but there are some nice features to it. You can cast it while running, it only has a 30 minute recast time, and you do not need any corpses laying about to use it. The last part is nice because sometimes it is hard to convince ninja looters to leave corpses.

However the bad part is that it is 18 AAs for all three levels, and a lot of people are unhappy with it after the nerf. I have not parsed it yet, but I remeber Aeriform, or maybe Jeb say that it does between 3-5k damage. However someone with more knowledge would have to confirm that. I seem to recall Aeroform posting that SoD was a good AA. Perhaps Aeriform could help you out more

[CigamHelspawn]

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!

So more than one necro can WTD or AotD off a given corpse? Interesting.

You mentioned Lifeburn ... it brings you down to what? 250 hps before the healing to about 1500? That seems extremely dangerous doesn't it? Won't every mov for miles aggro on the low hp necro or are you supposed to immediately cast FD? lol

Some of the AAs listed are for 66+ and Im only 65.. gonna get like 200 aa before going to 66+ but by then will have 90 or so in the 'slush fund' with labels already on where they will go.

And 65 is WAY better on AA than 70... was in WoS today... I got 3 aas in an hour and a little bit, a 70 got one and a couple blues. So I think I will spend my next 60 or so playing/exping hours in WoS, RSS, creators and the like much as I can.

But for sure Critical Affliction, SCM and pet discipline/feign pet are on the short list.

I really want thar suspend minion level where you can equip and buff your pet, suspend it and LOG and come back whenever and good lil Boner is ready for action.

(not that kind of action you pervs! lol)

Thanks again and will look for any further advice or insights.

Cig

[Dranul]

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn@Jul 27 2005, 04:15 AM
You mentioned Lifeburn ... it brings you down to what? 250 hps before the healing to about 1500? That seems extremely dangerous doesn't it? Won't every mov for miles aggro on the low hp necro or are you supposed to immediately cast FD? lol

I really want thar suspend minion level where you can equip and buff your pet, suspend it and LOG and come back whenever and good lil Boner is ready for action.
Life Burn will drop you down to 25% of your total health, regardless of what health you are at the time it goes off (Though the nuke is, of course, dependant upon the hp you have at the time it finishes casting.). 25% is about the exact level of hp that mobs will not bloodlust aggro on you, however, if you fudge the timing on an AE (Like that damn, mean mini in Fire that AEs 1 or 2k, I forget which.), you'll most likely die.

However, Life Burn Recourse stacks with our lifetap dots. And, with the advent of the healing potions (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=77798), you can click that for a quick heal right after using Life Burn. What's really cool is that those healing potions can crit if you have Theft of Life or it's upgrades, and put you at about 50-70%, if you have gimp hp like me (Only 6.7k raid buffed, I feel bad when I talk to the other necros in the other EP/Time guilds.).

Oh, those potions are vendor purchasable in PoK, for something like 40 plat a piece, stacks up to 10. The potion vendors are right by the alchemy vendors, but they also have their own find category in the find command. I think it's the kitty vendor that sells the healing potions and the barb vendor that sells the heal over time potions.

As for the AA that lets you keep your pet if you log out. I'm not 100% on this, since I don't have it, but I think that your pet will still poof after 15 mins. This just makes it easier if you go LD while you have a suspended pet. Something seems to good to be true when it comes to being able to log with a pet for an indefinite period of time.

Edit - Grammar and spelling are not my friends. Also, included a bit more detail.

[Rijak]

what's the reuse time on lifeburn?

[Dranul]

2 hours, 24 minutes. It's fun to use it on some poor mob I'm kiting right before a raid, because it usually pops up before we hit a big, nasty target.

I wonder if I'm being helpful or just spamming at this point...

Perhaps we should move this to the AA forum?

[CigamHelspawn]

Which is the aa forum I didnt find that or would have posted this there instead. Sorry.

Cig

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by CigamHelspawn@Jul 27 2005, 04:15 AM
And 65 is WAY better on AA than 70... was in WoS today... I got 3 aas in an hour and a little bit, a 70 got one and a couple blues. So I think I will spend my next 60 or so playing/exping hours in WoS, RSS, creators and the like much as I can.
Some WoS trash:
a bazu basher 64 - 64 Monster
a bazu thrasher 64 - 64 Monster
a raging chimera 64 - 64 Animal
an infernal chimera 62 - 63 Monster
a ferocious feran 62 - 62 Monster

The cubby or assassin camp is slightly better but this is what you'll see the most of at the EW/WW camps. Of course the XP/AAXP will be much better if you are within 4 or 5 level of these mobs, and even better if you are within 1 or 2, even, or slightly below.

A 70 in WoS is probably looking for drops; class rares to wear or just items to sell for some plat. If you want XP/AAXP at 70 you do RSS/RCoD/Creator ave group lvl 68+/The Nest etc which are by far better places to get it.

WoS is not a very good XP/AAXP zone for high level toons because the trash mobs are predominately much lower levels and fall outside the bonus range.

RSS is a lvl 69 required-to-enter zone.

[Zandramadass]

I can verify that the WTD pets will hold agro. They will actually out agro CoB w/o to much of a problem as long as they are both sent in within moments of eachother. WTD pets seem to only have 2/3 the hp that CoB does tho this isnt a parse just simple observation.

I dont have archers or epic so cant offer any input there.

[Jebasiz]

And 65 is WAY better on AA than 70... was in WoS today... I got 3 aas in an hour and a little bit, a 70 got one and a couple blues. So I think I will spend my next 60 or so playing/exping hours in WoS, RSS, creators and the like much as I can.


Cigam, Cigam, Cigam...That would be great ONLY if you could zone into RSS before you were level 69...but you can't.

You can solo creator at 70...it's alot faster then finding groups.

PoFire and Vxed have similar/higher cons..then wos and it's better exp...even at 70.

[Dranul]

Let's not get into that argument again :lol:

[Xelgadis]

It's bound to happen. I'm already getting the popcorn ready, and weighted gloves at the same time too. ;)

[banewolf7]

The only point Jeb was trying to make is that you can't compare a lvl 70 getting exp in a zone below his head to a lower lvl hunting at stuff above his head and say that the AA's were faster for the lower guy. That be like me helping PL a friend in Blackburrow and saying that exp is better at lvl 12 than it is at lvl 61 because he gained more exp than me, lol

[Darkeeyes]

Proping my feet up........Xelgadis would you please pass some popcorn........

[chabeksis]

Round 2 Woot!

[Aaelariea Shadowmoon]

I stopped at 65 and 67 to AA. Now I wish I had not. AAs are soooo much easier to get at level 70. And trust me, this is not just for ubers. (My chest and legs are still covered with netted kelp :( )

Elly

[Quezquotyl]

I can find here the stats (most impotantly damage/hps) og all pets EXCEPT:

pets resulting from AAs such as Wake the Dead, Swarm of Decay and Army of the Dead.


Their HP isn't something you should be worried about since they are basically something you would only use for dmg on one target. That is unless you can get another mob to hit you in the meantime. I know Pet Flurry and Pet Crit AA's affect their dmg slightly, but I am unaware of Pet Focus affecting their power at all. Really they don't last enough for it to matter anyways. Don't think it would be reasonable to say Pet Affinity would matter unless your raid gets trained while they are buffing and you happen to use these pets while your guild dealt with it


Not sure about the pets from the epic 1.5 (and 2.0?) for necros.


Same as the AA's, dps is affecting by Pet Flurry and Pet Crit AA's, unaware of focus having any effect at all. Again, Pet Affinity wouldn't really matter here.


How much damage (delay?) do they do?


Not sure on delay, highest hits I've seen from Epic 1.5 pet is 180, highest I've seen from Swarm of Decay is upwards of 300. WTD and AoTD around 90ish.


How many hps?


Not using these mobs as tanks so it really doesn't matter, they are a little bit of burst dmg on a mob when the recast timer is up.


With WtD and AotD does what the corpse is matter in the stats or will a WTD on a decaying skeleton do the same as a WTD on the corpse of Quarm?


Mob is the same level as the corpse of the mob, but will always do the same dmg as the ability lets it, up to 90ish.


Do pet augs affect their hps or damage at all?


Rendundancy, as I stated previously, not aware of this. However, since they are only around a minute or two, it shouldn't matter.


If you have pet affinity aa and someone casts a group buff are they affected?


Wouldn't matter, the pet is only active for a minute or two and then it despawns.


Do they have their own aggro or do they count as yourself for aggro purposes?


The pet has its own area on a mobs hate list, if it out dmgs you, the target will attack the pet.


I have seen folks diss these AAs as 'just for snits and giggles".. Are they worthless to a soloing necro?


Every extra bit of dmg is less longer for the target to kill you, yes it is probably worth it.


Before I invest those AAs I want to make sure I won't regret it and the info is sadly lacking regarding the specifics of these AAs (and epic pets tho to a lesser degree).


Your AA path is up to you, these AA's make you that much more powerful.


I think DC pet hits for like 143 but not sure on HPs I think they have HP of the mob dire charmed.


DC is something you won't find yourself using very often.


Also as for pets taking exp, do the aa pets (other than DC) damage count as 'pet damage' or as 'your damage"?


Simple experiment. Throw a dot on a mob and FD. Now throw a dot on it and FD with pet on hate list. Should be simple enough to make your own decision from that.


Sorry if these sound like stupid questions but I don't want to put aas in worthless places... some say these AAs are useless, others disagree, but neither side seems to give the pet stats when making their arguments that I have seen.


People who say they are useless usually don't have them or don't like them. Pet stats as far as HP will not make a difference. They are not tanks, they are extra dmg for a couple of rounds.


And 65 is WAY better on AA than 70... was in WoS today... I got 3 aas in an hour and a little bit, a 70 got one and a couple blues.* So I think I will spend my next 60 or so playing/exping hours in WoS, RSS, creators and the like much as I can.


Maybe AA exp is better, but you are less powerful at 65 than at 70. Some of the AA abilities you will run into later will have caps higher than 65, and when the new expansion is released you will probably find your level and lack of higher level spells debilitating when exploring new content.

[Mallakith]

Just want to add...

hps wise...

swarm of dead dies to 1 quarm aa

epic and WTD seems to take em

not sure why but there u have it

PS qvic shoes YAY ME 70 pet hits for 115 now )

[Yinikren]

I figure I'll just answer this question by question to make it easy on me, heh. Most of it's been answered elsewhere though.




I can find here the stats (most impotantly damage/hps) og all pets EXCEPT:

pets resulting from AAs such as Wake the Dead, Swarm of Decay and Army of the Dead.
WTD - melees for 89 iirc, if you wake a caster, it'll cast ANY SPELL the caster can cast (Not the 8/9 memmed like commonly believed). Example: I woke myself in felwithe quite a while ago when I was like level 62 and proceded to nuke the guards with.. the 60 disease lifetap, which i didn't even have until 67.

SoD - Archers that shoot for 301ish on like a 10 scond delay. As mentioned, nice instant cast and low hps.

AoTD - all corpses melee for 47 (NOT 89 like a normal wtd pet) and NONE cast.

All pets are affected by crit/flurry aa's (yay aotd spam) and all but the archers proc Spectrelifetap (level+1 lifetap).

Not sure about the pets from the epic 1.5 (and 2.0?) for necros.

Servant/Guardian of Blood - 30 sec duration clickypet that casts a lifetap dot on the mob that heals the group/you for 400ish (very small heal range when kiting). Melees for 180/189ish, respectively.


How much damage (delay?) do they do?

All clicky/aa pets use the standard 3.0 sec delay iirc unhasted.

How many hps?

Not enough to worry about. Kinda fun making the epic pet tank though, cause he's somewhat sick dps if he enrages on an unslowed mob.


With WtD and AotD does what the corpse is matter in the stats or will a WTD on a decaying skeleton do the same as a WTD on the corpse of Quarm?

Yes and no. Many people think every corpse is the same and this is VERY VERY incorrect. The only substantial thing that matters however is the corpse's level vs the level of the mob your using wtd on. How often does your level 1 pet hit a level 65 mob? Not often. The lower level something is, the less dps it will be vs a higher level mob. Also, the lifetap they proc (SpectreLifetap) is ALWAYS level+1 when calculating damage. But othe rthan that, they will always melee for the dame max hit regardless.

Do pet augs affect their hps or damage at all?

Not that I know of.

If you have pet affinity aa and someone casts a group buff are they affected?

Unfortunately not. AE hasted SoD pets might ACTUALLY become dps that way.

Do they have their own aggro or do they count as yourself for aggro purposes?

They all have their own hatelists, if that's what you mean.

I have seen folks diss these AAs as 'just for snits and giggles".. Are they worthless to a soloing necro?

Hell no. Any dps is dps for a soloing necro. Instant cast on SoD helps greatly as well but not as much anymore since the wtd/aotd cast timers were shortened from like 6 seconds.

Before I invest those AAs I want to make sure I won't regret it and the info is sadly lacking regarding the specifics of these AAs (and epic pets tho to a lesser degree).

Go for it. I love having 10 pets out.

I think DC pet hits for like 143 but not sure on HPs I think they have HP of the mob dire charmed.

Correct. Whatever the mob used to hit for, it will hit for while DC'd as well. Same on hp. The mob itself doesn't change. It will NOT use pet aa's either.

Also as for pets taking exp, do the aa pets (other than DC) damage count as 'pet damage' or as 'your damage"?

I don't really think its been tested. None last long enough to do serious damage (i.e > 50%) on a 60+ mob, so eh. I doubt it.

Anyway, hope this helps.

[Sathras]

Originally posted by "Dranul"
As for the AA that lets you keep your pet if you log out. I'm not 100% on this, since I don't have it, but I think that your pet will still poof after 15 mins. This just makes it easier if you go LD while you have a suspended pet. Something seems to good to be true when it comes to being able to log with a pet for an indefinite period of time.If your pet is suspended it won't vanish. You can get back a year later and still summon a fully buffed(or debuffed) pet with the gear it had when you did suspend it. It only poofs when it's still out the moment you log.