Guide to DoDH researching

[Dranul]

Part 1: Example Spell: Night Fire

Right, so, there's tons of information floating around already about DoDH and its revivification of researching. In fact, there's a thread below this one linking a good, general guide by EQTraders. But, if you're like me, it's still all a little confusing, since now you have to think, "Ok, I want this spell, so it's a dot, that means I need this thickener...was it additive? Ah shoot, I need to double check."

And, since I haven't contributed much to Necrotalk, I'm gonna write up how to research each and every spell from 61+ for necros. Whee, just a little bit of insane! However, I'm going to only showcase Night Fire this moment, since I'm working it extensively right now. Everything in this guide focuses on necros, and will only describe components needed for necro spells. I won't be talking about Eci's Ink Additive, for example.

Final Combine
Let's start with the end, shall we? This is the final combine you'll be doing for Night Fire:

Runic Parchment + Quill of the Arch Lich + Extending Thickener + Ro's Ink Additive + Ink of Pain

Ooh, isn't it so simple? It's so clear, and only five parts! Oh, wait, there's about a dozen subcombines for each part...then a half dozen sub-subcombines...right...onward and forward then!

Basic Components
These are components used in so many parts of the subcomines, that you'll need a stack or two on hand to progressive on a spell. I'll list conveinent vendors that sell them after the item and any subcomines that might be need. These items are used in every spell made or used for a specific teir of spells (Parchment solutions, for example.). These are above and beyond the Spell Research Kit, sold by the merchant robot in Corathus Creep, which you'll also need.

Gnomish Heating Source (Abbrieviated as GHS)
Merchant robot in Corathus Creep

Vial of Pure Water - Empty Vial(5) + Water Flask(4) + GHS
All parts are vendored in PoK. One of the smith vendors in the same building as the dark elf general supplier sells empty vials.
Note: Above recipe yields 5 x Vial of Pure Water

Quill of the Arch Lich - A Quill + Arcane Treatment + Necrotic Treatment
Merchant robot in Corathus Creep sells all components

Fine Salt - Rock Salt
Merchant robot

Saltpeter
Dropped in PoI

Crystallized Sulfur
Dropped all over the place.

Celestial Cleanser - Celestial Solvent + Vial of Pure Water(3) + Empty Vial
The Solvent is sold by the dark elf general supplier in PoK, as well as other places.
Note: This recipe also returns several Empty Vials

Aqua Regia - Muriatic Acid + Aqua Fortis
Subcombines for Aqua Regia:
Muriatic Acid - Fine Salt + Oil of Vitrol + GHS
Aqua Fortis - Saltpeter + Oil of Vitrol
Oil of Vitrol - Saltpeter + Crystallized Sulfur + Vial of Pure Water + GHS

Note for Aqua Regia: Phew, confused yet? Aqua Regia is made from Muriatic Acid and Aqua Fortis. To make both, you'll need Oil of Vitrol. To get one stack of Aqua Regia, you'll need to make two stacks of Oil of Vitrol. Where to get all components are already discussed above.

Those Feathered Pens
"But, Dranul, you already mentioned Quill of the Arch Lich in the above section?" you may ask yourself (This isn't my beautiful wife...sorry, song stuck in my head.). Well, while the Arch Lich version is used for most of our spells, the exceptions are Shield of the Arcane, Shield of Maelin, Force Shield, and Greater Immobolize. I'll list the Quills needed here:

Shield of the Arcane/Maelin and Force Shield:
Quill of the Arcane - A Quill + Arcane Treatment(2)

Greater Immobolize:
Quill of the Lord Protector - A Quill + Kinght's Treatment + Holy Treatment(Find the treatment that resembles what a paladin does/is.)

Note for Quills in general: The Quill is based on which classes can use the spell; the lowest level class for the spell dictates the Quill. If there's two or more classes that tie for the lowest, you base it on the lowest in this order: INT caster, WIS caster, hybrid. If you have two or more INT casters tied for lowest level, you use Quill of the Arcane. Two or more WIS casters, Quill of the Divine (Use 2 Divine Treatments). Two or more hybrids, Quill of the Knight (2 Knight's Treatments).

Inks!
The Ink of your spell will determine exactly what your spell does; in our case, as necros, deal damage, summon a pet, or...um...that's all we do for 61+, it seems.
Since our example spell is a spell that does damage, we'll want:

Ink of Pain - Hematite Powder + Chromium Powder + Vial of Pure Water
Both powders are sold by merchant robot. See above for Water.
Note: Ink of Pain is also used for spells that prevent or absorb damage, so you'll see this again for Force Shield.
Note: Both Powders are stackable up to 100; make sure you adjust the stack size when you're buying it from the vendor, because 100 is probably gonna last you longer than you'll ever need.

Thickener
Where as the Ink determines what your spell does, the Thickener determines *how* your spell does it; that is, for us, direct damage or damage over time, or animating an undead pet instead of summoning something else.
Since Night Fire is a dot, you'll want:

Extending Thickener - Amber(2) + Yarrow
Amber is sold by the JC vendors in PoK, Yarrow is sold by a alchemy vendor.
Note: Above recipe yields 40. All Thickeners are stackable up to 100

Additives
The additive is based on what resist check your spells is on. For Fire, you want Ro's. Poison, Saryrn. Disease, Bert. Magic, Luclin. All additives are vendor sold by the robot in Corathus Creep.
Because Night Fire is a Fire spell, you'll want Ro's Ink Additive.

Cleaning Parchments
The parchment you'll be getting your hands on to make Night Fire is actually called "smudged runic parchment". Well, we can't be making spells with smudges! We'll need to clean that up with Celestial Cleanser and a Runic Parchment Solution, and Aqua Regia to make that Solution. The combine looks like this:

Smudged Runic Parchment + Celestial Cleanser + Runic Parchment Solution

Runic Parchment Solution - Platinum Bar + Gold Bar + Star Ruby + Vial of Pure Water(2) + Aqua Regia + Muriatic Acid + GHS
So, in order to make a stack of Solution, you'll need to make three stacks of Oil of Vitrol, allowing to make a stack of Aqua Regia and another stack of Muriatic Acid. The bars and ruby are both vendor sold, expensively, by JC vendors in PoK.

Just in case you need to look at Aqua Regia again:
Aqua Regia - Muriatic Acid + Aqua Fortis
Subcombines for Aqua Regia:
Muriatic Acid - Fine Salt + Oil of Vitrol + GHS
Aqua Fortis - Saltpeter + Oil of Vitrol
Oil of Vitrol - Saltpeter + Crystallized Sulfur + Vial of Pure Water + GHS

Finally, the Final Combine
Night Fire - Runic Parchment + Quill of the Arch Lich + Ink of Pain + Ro's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener

An example of how just changing one component will affect the spell:

Blood of Thule - Runic Parchment + Quill of the Arch Lich + Ink of Pain + Extending Thichekner + Saryrn's Ink Additive

Changing the Additive from Ro's to Saryrn's produces a level 65, poison based dot or Blood of Thule. This last sentence brings me to the final section of Part 1...

A Helpful Thought
I've found that, once you fully understand how this process works, that breaking down exactly what the spell is very helpful. To continue using our example, Night Fire; a level 65 Necromancer, Fire based, damage over time spell. This method let's you catch on to what kind of Quill, Parchment, Additive, Ink, and Thickener you'll need, right off the bat. Breaking down any spell you want like this will help immensely as you're trying to sort out the components.

Any questions that I can clear up?

Part 2: List of Final Combines
Warning: These recipes are my best guesses. I will not 100% guarantee them until either I or someone else can confirm them. I have included possible recipes for LDoN spells, but I doubt they are researchable.
Unless otherwise stated, assume Quill of the Arch Lich is used.

Level 65 (Runic Parchments)
Blood of Thule - Ink of Pain + Saryrn's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Child of Bertoxxulous - Ink of the Companion + Saryrn's Ink Additive + Conjuring Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Destroy Undead - Quill of the Archon + Ink of Pain + Luclin's Ink Additive + Arcane Thickener + Fine Vellum Parchment
Confirmed by EQtraders

Night Fire - Ink of Pain + Ro's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Confirmed by various sources

Night Stalker - Ink of Pain + Ink of Tunare + Bertoxxulous's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Night's Beckon - Ink of Pain + Ink of Tunare + Luclin's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Word of Terris - Ink of Ayonae Ro + Luclin's Ink Additive + Debilitating Thickener
Confirmed by Xelgadis

Level 64 (Fine Vellum Parchments)
Seduction of Saryrn - Ink of Prexus + Ink of Pain + Ink of the Eagle + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Ameliorating Thickener
Confirmed to be EQTraders

Shield of Maelin - Quill of the Arcane + Ink of Tunare + Ink of Druzzil Ro + Ink of the Tribunal + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Invigorating Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Touch of Death - Ink of Tunare + Ink of Saryrn + Ink of Bertoxxulous + Ink of Terris + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Ameliorating Thickener
Confirmed by Xelgadis

Level 63 (Vellum Parchments)
Death's Silence - Ink of Tranquility + Ink of Forgetfulness + Luclin's Ink Additive + Debilitating Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Embracing Darkness - Ink of the Listless + Ink of Pain + Luclin's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Note: Confirmed by EQTraders Forums.

Force Shield - Quill of the Arcane + Ink of Pain + Ink of Prexus + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Invigorating Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Greater Immobolize - Quill of the Lord Protector + Ink of the Listless + Luclin's Ink Additive + Debilitating Thickener + Parchment
Confirmed by EQTraders.

Saryrn's Companion + Ink of the Companion + Saryrn's Ink Additive + Conjuring Thickener + Bone Chips
Confirmed by EQTraders

Level 62 (Fine Parchments)
Petrifying Earth - Ink of the Listless + Luclin's Ink Additive + Debilitating Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Rune of Death - Ink of Alacrity + Ink of the Tribunal + Ink of the Rhino + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Invigorating Thickener
Confirmed by Schaeffer

Saryrn's Kiss - Ink of Pain + Ink of Tunare + Luclin's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Confirmed by Ewasx

Level 61 (Parchments)
Dark Plague - Ink of Pain + Ink of Bertoxxulous + Bertoxxulous's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener
Confirmed by Schaeffer

Legacy of Zek - Ink of the Companion + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Conjuring Thickener + Bone Chips
Confirmed by EQTraders

Neurotoxin - Ink of Pain + Saryrn's Ink Additive + Arcane Thickener
Confirmed by Ewasx.

Shield of the Arcane - Ink of Tunare + Ink of the Tribunal + Ink of Druzzil Ro + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Invigorating Thickener
Confirmed by EQTraders

Touch of Mujaki - Ink of Pain + Ink of Tunare + Luclin's Ink Additive + Consuming Thickener
Confirmed by Schaeffer

Note for Drying Powder: As necros, we can ignore the Drying Powder mentioned by the in-game books. This component is used if you have a spell in Gates of Discord that upgrades a level 65 spell from Planes of Power; the only examples I know of are White Fire for Wizards and Breath of Trushar for Shamans, upgrading Strike of Solusek and Quiessence, respectively. If you ever need it, however, you obtain it by giving a Sample of Highland Sludge to the male barbarian alchemy vendor in Abysmal Sea, then combining the refined sample re gives you with a GHS in your Spell Research Kit.

Part 3: Master List of Components (See above for spell combines.)
Special notes: All Thickener recipes yield 40 and all Thickeners are stackable to 100. Any recipe that uses Vial of Pure Water will most likely return Empty Vials, with the exception of Inks. Any recipe that uses Oil of Vitriol or Muriatic Acid will return Dirty Empty Vials. I have omitted the cleaning recipes for the parchments, as these are always <dirty parchment> + Clelestial Cleanser + <parchment solution>.

Aqua Fortis - Saltpeter + Oil of Vitriol

Aqua Regia - Muriatic Acid + Aqua Fortis

Arcane Thickener - Opal(2) + Elderberry

Celestial Cleanser - Celestial Solvent + Vial of Pure Water(3)
Note: Yields 3

Extending Thickener - Amber(2) + Yarrow

Fine Salt - Rock Salt

Fine Parchment Solution - Fire Emerald + Gold Bar(2) + Aqua Regia + Vial of Pure Water(2) + GHS

Fine Vellum Parchment Solution - Platinum Bar + Fire Opal + Muraitic Acid + Aqua Regia + Vial of Pure Water(2) + GHS(2)

Highland Drying Powder - Sample of Distilled Highland Sludge + GHS
Note: To get the Sample, either give a shaman friend that has done the Alchemy Freebie quest in Abysmal Sea a Sample of Highland Sludge or go to Abysmal Sea and give the Sludge to one of the Alchemy vendors, think it's the male barbarian.

Ink of Pain - Hematite Powder + Chrominum Powder + Vial of Pure Water

Muriatic Acid - Fine Salt + Oil of Vitroil + GHS

Oil of Vitriol - Crystallized Sulfur + Saltpeter + Vial of Pure Water + GHS

Parchment Solution - Fire Emerald + Aqua Regia + Vial of Pure Water + GHS

Quill of the Arch Lich - A Quill + Arcane Treatment + Necrotic Treatment

Runic Parchment Solution - Platinum Bar + Gold Bar + Star Ruby + Muriatic Acid + Aqua Regia + Vial of Pure Water(2) + GHS

Vellum Parchment Solution - Platinum Bar + Gold Bar(3) + Aqua Regia + Vial of Pure Water + GHS(3)

Vial of Pure Water - Water Flask(4) + Empty Vial(5) + GHS
Note: Yields 5

Future plans for this guide are to really clean it up, give it an easier to follow flow, and to show the final combine for each 61+ necro spell. This may mean having to create a thread to explain what each component means and another for all the subcombines that each one has.

Edit 10/18/05 - Added in the bugged recipe for Night Stalker and Night's Beckon, and cleaned up a few typos.

Edit 10/10/05 - Just found out from Ngreth the House Ogre and SOE Dev at EQTC that the Imbue spells technically have a quest associated with them, and are thus not researchable. And I thought I'd finally have my Imbue spells too.

Edit 10/6/05 - Added in tentative recipe for Unholy Bellow. Also, thanks to Schaeffer for confirming a number of recipes. And a few in the Master List of Components.

Edit 9/26/05 - Added in Ewasx's input.

Edit 9/23/05 - Fixed up some of the guesses. Was operating under the assumption that only one Ink was necessary. I'm not sure how the Ink of the Nameless works, I'll have to look at it in game. Also added a sneak preview to Part 3; Part 3 will probably be the longest, and most technical part, just bare bones recipes for every component you'll need for researching necro spells.

Edit 9/21/05 - Had forgotten GHS in the Muriatc Acid combine.

Edit 9/20/05 - Put in best guesses for final combines for all 61+ necro spells, excluding the two new fears. Even if they are researchable, who cares?

Edit 9/20/05 - Split into Part 1 and 2, fixed up the example research of Night Fire a bit, and explained Inks and Thickeners in greater detail. A Helpful Thought added, as well as a note about ignoring Drying Powders. Hopefully gave smoother flow to the layout. Also, put in a section about Quills in general.

Edit 9/19/05- Added an example of how Additives work and how changing it will drastically affect the spell.

Aryse Edit 01/31/06 - Updated the Child of Bertoxxulous recipe after testing (now matches the EQTC recipe, it seems inconsistent with the usual forumlae)

[Felicite]

You rock.

So.. dropped components:

the uncleaned parchment (different for each level of spells I think?)
Saltpeter
Crystallized Sulfur

and everything else can be bought between the PoK and Corathus Creep?

And, did I mention, thank you.

[Dranul]

Woot, compliments! Yep, those are the only three dropped components. The thread below this one has a link to EQTraders and that guide has a chart of each parchment and which spell level it produces (Going to put that into subsequent versions of this guide).

I forgot to mention the drop rate of parchments. This isn't first hand experience, but a guildie who camped Ruins of Illisan (Don't know where.) said they drop once in about every 20 kills or so. Sadly, he wasn't the one looting, so he doesn't know how much of each type dropped. I recommend vendor diving all over the place, before it's public knowledge what these parchments are for; already found about half a stack of 65 parchments vendor diving.

[Rijak]

awesome info dranul!

[Schaeffer]

Just for conveniece purposes here's a list of how many of each item you'll need given no failures, to start with:

Dropped from Mobs:

6 Saltpeter
5 Crystalized Sulfur
1 Smudged Runic Parchment


Then Buy from Vendors:

11 Empty Vial
8 Water Flask
8 Gnomish Heating Source
2 Amber
3 Fine Salt
1 Chromium Powder
1 Platimun Bar
1 Gold Bar
1 Hematite Powder
1 Celestial Solvent
1 yarrow
1 A Quill
1 Arcane Treatment
1 Necrotic Treatment



The stuff here is made from subcombines between the drops and the vendor bought stuff:

10 Vial of Pure water
5 Oil of Vitrol
3 Muriatic Acid
2 Aqua Fortis
2 Aqua Regia
1 Runic Parchment Solution
1 Runic Parchment
1 Extending Thickener
1 Ink of Pain
1 Quill of the Arch Lich
1 Ro's Ink Additive
1 Celestial Cleanser



I'm pretty sure I counted right, but if I missed something please correct it.

[Aryse Andenter]

Are the subcombines droppable? I defiantely want to be able to stuff this stuff on a storage toon somewhere.

[Dranul]

Yep, all combines, with the possible exception of a final combine on GoD spells (Curse you trivial of 351!), are droppable. All PoP spells are droppable too.

[Dranul]

Updated, look any better?

[Eyez]

Very nice!
Thanks alot Dranul :)

[Jebasiz]

or you could just go kill a kyv...

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Sep 20 2005, 01:32 PM
or you could just go kill a kyv...
Quiet you! Honestly, I'll probably get my hands on a Yiktu stone before I'll have the ability to safely research Night Fire, since the trivial for all 65 spells is 351; but, on the off chance I do get it, it means that I can stay out of the roll when one drops, giving other casters a better chance to get their spells, thus gearing up the guild faster.
Of course, I'm starting to feel very much less guilty bidding on anything I want, since we did Ikkinz 1 for the first time and a mage bidded on and won the 40% magic dot focus ring. Seriously, wtf? Am I the only one in the world that thinks to himself, "Oh, another class will get much more benefit out of that item than me, and the guild as a whole will progress further because of it,"? I mean, we have rules in place that say items with +Attack can only be bid on by melee or hybrid, or FT items can only go to casters, but because Onyx Prayer Ring says ALL/ALL, someone that gets absolutely no benefit from the orgasm inducing focus can bid on it? Gah, I'm just fuming in my head now.

But, back on subject, this guide is really meant for people that either A) Don't have the resources to do GoD or B ) Are insane and like doing tradeskills or C) Are just vaguely interested in how to go about this.

[Nirruden]

Originally posted by Dranul
since we did Ikkinz 1 for the first time and a mage bidded on and won the 40% magic dot focus ring.* Seriously, wtf? (...) someone that gets absolutely no benefit (...)

Mages get a magic dot line. It's not as though he wasn't getting any use of the focus, so you can stop fretting. Admittedly, it's silly that he'd bid on it for the focus alone... but maybe his other rings were just terrible. Not like stats on GoD gear don't put my own to shame, for example.

(Personally, though, I'd have saved my DKP for a better item, were I the mage. Elemental Maelstrom is not all that powerful to begin with.)

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Nirruden+Sep 20 2005, 01:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nirruden @ Sep 20 2005, 01:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Dranul@
since we did Ikkinz 1 for the first time and a mage bidded on and won the 40% magic dot focus ring.* Seriously, wtf? (...) someone that gets absolutely no benefit (...)

Mages get TWO direct damage lines, man... fire and (gasp) magic. It's not as though he wasn't getting any use of the focus, so you can stop fretting now. You're welcome. [/b]
Ah, my old friend, did I not mention that the focus is DOT ONLY? Yes, that's right, DAMAGE OVER TIME. In fact, I think I'll bold and underline if for you:

<!--QuoteBegin-Dranul
since we did Ikkinz 1 for the first time and a mage bidded on and won the 40% magic dot focus ring. Seriously, wtf? (...) someone that gets absolutely no benefit (...) [/quote]

Helpful? For your curiousity, I refrained from bidding on the 40% magic DD (That's DIRECT DAMAGE, in case you didn't know.) mantle that drops in Ikki 1 too, because I knew our mages and wizards wanted it badly. Why? Because I like to think I'm a nice guy. So, please, don't try to make me look like an ass. I'm only an ass when someone pisses me off. I may not know every spell a mage has, but I know they nuke with magic and fire.

[Nirruden]

Ah, my old friend, did I not mention that the focus is DOT ONLY?* Yes, that's right, DAMAGE OVER TIME.* In fact, I think I'll bold and underline if for you:

Thanks, but my ninja edits before your post caught that - I missed it on the first pass. Mages also get a magic DOT line - so he can (any time he likes) make use of the focus you're so steamed about.

Helpful?* For your curiousity, I refrained from bidding on the 40% magic DD (That's DIRECT DAMAGE, in case you didn't know.) mantle that drops in Ikki 1 too, because I knew our mages and wizards wanted it badly.* Why?* Because I like to think I'm a nice guy.* (...) I may not know every spell a mage has, but I know they nuke with magic and fire.

...and DOT with magic. Unlike the mage in question, you'd have gotten more use of the magic-nuke focus (assuming lifetaps count), than any mage would out of the DOT focus. Nice guy or not, you shafted yourself on that one - we nuke with two lines, magic and poison, and I'd have considered gutting my own mother for the magic-focusing version.

[Dranul]

Oh yes, I know mages get baby dots. Yes, I'm sure that Wrath of the Elements (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1405&source=Live) will greater appreciate looking like it might, maybe, possibly do something.

Oh, I won't fault him for the stats, honestly, and that's what the got the ring for. Ring was better than most of my items, actually. And it's not like the ring won't drop again. What I'm really ticked about is that no one ever stops and considers if they are gonna get the most out of an item when they bid. I may have shafted myself on the mantle, and I'll honestly bid low in FT items, but I just remember when a cleric got Radiant Feather (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=20609) and was very happy. I'll shaft myself if it means someone will do a happy dance, instead of my lifetaps doing an extra 300 damage (In comparison to Improved Damage V or Muram's Anger, that is.).

[Nirruden]

Yes, I'm sure that Wrath of the Elements (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1405&source=Live) will greater appreciate looking like it might, maybe, possibly do something.It won't. It's tiny... but the stats, man! DEAR SWEET CAZiC-THULE THINK OF THE STATS! (*collapses and drools on himself*)

What I'm really ticked about is that no one ever stops and considers if they are gonna get the most out of an item when they bid.What, you thought selfishness was limited to pickup groups? Seriously, that's why you folks have DKP, right? So that people can't simply declare all items "cleric" or "melee" or "my friend's" up front?

I'll shaft myself if it means someone will do a happy dance, instead of my lifetaps doing an extra 300 damage (In comparison to Improved Damage V or Muram's Anger, that is.).Bully for you. Say, has anyone seen a stomach laying around? I'm trying to put mom back together, and I'm missing some parts...

[Dranul]

What I'm really ticked about is that no one ever stops and considers if they are gonna get the most out of an item when they bid.What, you thought selfishness was limited to pickup groups? Seriously, that's why you folks have DKP, right? So that people can't simply declare all items "cleric" or "melee" or "my friend's" up front?

DKP is really in place to prevent people from only going to raids that have loot they want or having an equal chance of winning an item, even though they missed the last 20 raids. But, my point is, you join a guild to progress further, to watch out for each other, and to help when you can. "Greed" and "guild" are terms I don't think should go together.

I'll shaft myself if it means someone will do a happy dance, instead of my lifetaps doing an extra 300 damage (In comparison to Improved Damage V or Muram's Anger, that is.).Bully for you. Say, has anyone seen a stomach laying around? I'm trying to put mom back together, and I'm missing some parts...

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that...but, I'll continue doing what I believe is right, regardless if you think I'm a sap or not. I'm not so jaded that I think everyone is trying to con or get the better of me. Of course, I'll assume most people hate me and don't want to talk to me, even my closest friends, but I won't assume they want to defraud me.

Think what you will, Nirruden, but this thread is about spell researching. Unless you have anything to contribute on that front, don't post on it.

[Jebasiz]

That's a nice ring..in fact, I wore it for about 18months(until I got a ring from anguish). I still wear the shoulder, since focii on shoulders suck for us and I'm not spending more dkp on non-applicable focii(the price is higher...since it is an effect/focii)

[Dranul]

I don't think so, Doc. The Extending Thickener is all you'll need, and both Inks are not right. If I'm not mistaken, there's a specific Ink for Lifetap spells, I just don't know its name and components. When I get a chance today I'll look up all the inks and thickeners necros care about.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Dranul@Sep 20 2005, 01:41 PM
But, back on subject, this guide is really meant for people that either A) Don't have the resources to do GoD or B ) Are insane and like doing tradeskills or C) Are just vaguely interested in how to go about this.
D) Don't have the points in ldon for horror (if indeed it's even researchable)

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Dranul@Sep 20 2005, 02:53 PM
I don't think so, Doc. The Extending Thickener is all you'll need, and both Inks are not right. If I'm not mistaken, there's a specific Ink for Lifetap spells, I just don't know its name and components. When I get a chance today I'll look up all the inks and thickeners necros care about.
Extending Thickener is for dots.
Arcane Thickener is for single target DD's.


edit:
damn thread hijackers! :P

[Nirruden]

/rerail

For Acikin, and similar.
Arcane Thickener - used for DD
2 Opals
Fennel

For most Necromancer spells:
Extending Thickener - DoTs
2 Amber
Yarrow

For pet heals:
Ameliorating Thickener - Heals
2 Peridot
Thyrayniss

For taps (including group tap/tap over time?):
Consuming Thickener - Life/Mana taps (Mindwrack?)
Opal
Peridot
Elderberry

Force Shield and Pet buffs:
Invigorating Thickener - Single Buffs
2 Emerald
Elderberry

Scent spells:
Debilitating Thickener - Single Debuffs
2 Jade
Yarrow

Pets?:
Conjuring Thickener - Conjuration spells
2 Topaz
Vetiver Root

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Sep 20 2005, 03:01 PM
Ink of Tunare for HP part
Ink of Pain for Damage part
Extending Thickener for the DoT part
Assuaging Thickener for the AE HoT part
Additive of Bertoxx for disease check

Is what I was thinking

What mobs drop the parchments?
I think the recipe would look something like this:

Ink of ??? (Like I said, there's an Ink specifically for lifetaps, I just forgot the name.)
Extending Thickener
Bertoxx's Ink Additive (Is it on a disease check? If it's magic, Luclin's)
Quill of the Arch Lich
Runic Parchment

If you can get in game before me, Volumes 4, 5, 6 and 7 will give you the descriptions of all Inks and Thickeners. The parchments drop from just about any DoDH mob, if I'm not mistaken.

Xislaben, there is an Ink that mentions curses, but I don't think you can research Horror; the devs said PoP and GoD era spells. Regardless, I'll see if I can't try the combine some time when I have runic parchments to waste.

Edit - Night Stalker and Night's Beckon are two that I'm not sure how they would be researched. I'll do some more digging in game when I can.

[Nirruden]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Sep 20 2005, 03:01 PM
(...) Assuaging Thickener for the AE HoT part (...) Is what I was thinking
I'm thinking that you'd want consuming (and/or possibly extending) since night stalker is a tap. The heal is actually a recourse effect, and is a different spell effect entirely - one cast on you AFTER the spell lands successfully, but not cast by you, so you shouldn't have to account for it, I'd think.

As for the ink, if it's not the Ink of Pain listed on EQTraders, I'm not sure which you'd use. I'll have to poke at this some, once I get home.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Dranul@Sep 20 2005, 03:14 PM
Xislaben, there is an Ink that mentions curses, but I don't think you can research Horror; the devs said PoP and GoD era spells. Regardless, I'll see if I can't try the combine some time when I have runic parchments to waste.
Ink of Terris Thule is for curses.

Horror at 63 would use a Velium Parchment I believe, I've yet to see a mob drop the uncleaned one yet :(

I've made all of what I think would be the components except for that damn parchment...

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Nirruden+Sep 20 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nirruden @ Sep 20 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Doc Hollidazed@Sep 20 2005, 03:01 PM
(...) Assuaging Thickener for the AE HoT part (...) Is what I was thinking
I'm thinking that you'd want consuming (and/or possibly extending) since night stalker is a tap. The heal is actually a recourse effect, and is a different spell effect entirely - one cast on you AFTER the spell lands successfully, but not cast by you, so you shouldn't have to account for it, I'd think.

I'll poke at this some, once I get home. [/b][/quote]
Good point, Nirru, might not need to account for the group portion of Night Stalker. If that's the case, the recipe would look like this:

Ink of Pain + Extending Thickener + Bert's Ink Additive + Quill of the Arch Lich + Runic Parchment

And Night's Beckon would be the same, except using Luclin's Ink Additive. This is insteresting to note, since, if Stalker used a magic check too, it would be the same recipe, and the Drying Powder would not help. Me thinks they planned researchable Gates spells for some time; either that, or it's just nice conveinent coincidence.

[Dranul]

Doc, I'm not entirely sure that's the entire list.

[Schaeffer]

Here's a question:

Gates spells are NO TRADE, yes?

Does that mean we can only make them for ourselves and every other non-research class is screwed? or are the crafted versions droppable?

[Dranul]

That's a question I hope to answer soon, Schaeffer. It may be possible that researched version of Gates spells are droppable. I have yet to succesfully combine Night Fire though.

[Jebasiz]

They seem to drop randomly..just doing spell progression quests/missions we got about 6. They're not *that* rare.

[Dranul]

I mentioned earlier they seem to drop off any DoDH mob; if they function any way like the old Words, you'll probably have a better chance of getting a higher level parchment from mobs at or above that level.

So far, only Lifedrainer, a named in Ruins, has been confirmed by Allakhazam to drop runic parchments, but I've had several guildies, and now Jeb, mention parchments dropping from trash as well.

[Dranul]

Edited again on 9/20/05 - Put in best guesses for all 61+ necro spells, excluding the new fears. Even if they are researchable, who cares?

Also, doing more digging into various sites, I've learned that my assumption about multiple Inks, Additives, and Thickeners is wrong. A spell could, indeed, require two or more Inks or Thickeners, though the Additives seem to be usually only one type.

These guesses are based on the information that EQTraders has at this link. (http://eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g342&menustr=080105000000) As I can test these, I'll update. If you try these recipes, find they are wrong, please post with any corrections if you can figure it out.

[Xislaben]

I got a 62 lvl parchment off of a trash mob in the instance for the first mission for the lvl 68 spell.

[zuzum]

I trained my spell research to 200 long time ago. wondering what is the easiest way to get skill up to 350 since that type of skills are needed to research for the new spells.

70th necromancer.

[Dranul]

Zuzum, there's no *easy* way. You'd have to skill up on PoP spells, which would be slow, at best, considering that the parchments aren't in mass market yet. However, Arcane Tongues from OoW, will give you about a 50% chance with a skill of 200 and Geerlock Quill to succeed on a level 65 spell.

[Schaeffer]

Do the sub-combines give you skill-ups?

[Dranul]

The Runic Parchment Solution and cleaning the Smudged Runic Parchment each have a trivial of 243, so you can get skill ups from those, it's just damn expensive. I don't know about the other Solutions yet; they may be the route to take to get to 300.

[Schaeffer]

This is killing me, I'm stuck at work pulling a double shift because the night crew called out sick. I'm dying to try some of this stuff.

On a positive note, Last night while I was trying to farm saltpeter in PoI, I got a hinge to drop. Never thought about doing 1.5 until now, so then i got bored and went to Torigian Mines and got my 4 Gleaming oars in about 2 hours time.

Might hit up the Hole and PoN this weekend and then go kill me some Pallies...

/derail off

SOMEBODY MAKE TIME MOVE FASTER SO I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH COMBINES ALREADY!!!!

/whew Sorry had to let that out.

[FCseven]

Goddamn timesink is what this is.I did not see any problem with the old system of research at all.I had no trouble with combining 3-4 words in a book with a quill and parchment and hitting combine.If one word was hard to come by just go out and camp it!Or here is an idea,just make it so that these damn spells are vendor bought.Spells 65 and under are nice to add to a spellbook but at 70 the use of a spell like NF would be situational at best and not worth the time and money to get research up to 350+.Sure you can sell a spell like horror but what would you end up selling it for,100k?If I were given a choice I would rather scrape together a ldon group to save the points for horror or skip it then to pay the high price these spells are sure to go for.Thanks but no thanks,this researcher is retired from the tradeskill.

[Jebasiz]

No doubt..I don't see myself doing this unless several things happen, one of which is finishing all content and getting everything else done WAY before expansion 11, the other(alternative) is becoming housebound by sickness or injury so that all I can do is waste even more of my life on this goddamn game.

Edit:I may raise my skill to cap out at whatever I can get it to from level 60 spells, but after that...100 combines or so(even if they go up everytime) is still a ton of farming/wasted time.

[Brantes]

Are we then also going to be able to make CLR/SHM/BST/SK/RNG/PAL spells?

Thats were theres money to be made.

[Ewasx]

Muriatic Acid - Fine Salt + Oil of Vitrol

Needs a GHS as well.


Nice guide :)

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Brantes@Sep 21 2005, 01:08 PM
Are we then also going to be able to make CLR/SHM/BST/SK/RNG/PAL spells?

Thats were theres money to be made.
Yes.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by FCseven+Sep 21 2005, 06:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FCseven @ Sep 21 2005, 06:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Goddamn timesink is what this is.I did not see any problem with the old system of research at all.I had no trouble with combining 3-4 words in a book with a quill and parchment and hitting combine.[/b]

1) Rarity of certain words
2) Combines only went up to 222 or so
3) Only sub 61 spells were researchable, of those only a very few were worth researching
4) You could only research your own classes' spells over level 40-ish

Originally posted by FCseven@Sep 21 2005, 06:57 AM
If one word was hard to come by just go out and camp it! Or here is an idea,just make it so that these damn spells are vendor bought. Spells 65 and under are nice to add to a spellbook but at 70 the use of a spell like NF would be situational at best and not worth the time and money to get research up to 350+.

Too many people would complain about allowing all of 61-65 to be vendor bought, but I'd love to buy Horror :) I'd love to have NF too, and I'd use it a lot at 70 (I have FPoK loaded still). You don't need your skill to be 350 to make the spell (and 350 is impossible anyways). With a skill of 200 and 5% mod and 3 research aa's your chances of making a 350 trivial combine are 50%. As a skillup path you'd want to do the much lower trivials, but if you just need to make a missing spell for yourself that could be one way to go, though it's certainly not cheap.

<!--QuoteBegin-FCseven@Sep 21 2005, 06:57 AM
Sure you can sell a spell like horror but what would you end up selling it for,100k?If I were given a choice I would rather scrape together a ldon group to save the points for horror or skip it then to pay the high price these spells are sure to go for.Thanks but no thanks,this researcher is retired from the tradeskill. [/quote]

I'd sell my #2 horror for whatever I can get for it. Yeah I'd love to finish a few more ldons, but that just aint going on. Besides that, we can make other class's spells and they don't all get spell research.

I'll agree on one point though, it is a pain in the ass, and terribly costly, but then that's par for the course in tradeskilling... I'll maybe make a few spells I need/want to sell and then say screw it.

[Ewasx]

Manged to get a runic parchment tonight, some quick images just for fun.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b36/ewasx/night_fire.jpg

and

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b36/ewasx/some_trivs.jpg


Kind of a pain in the ass, but that final combine was fun. Probably used up all my luck with the RNG for a while though.

[Dranul]

Nice, good to know that the final products are not no drop though.

[Rijak]

nice shots!

i wanna know how you got to 266 research

[Darkeeyes]

Sweet !!!!!! guess I'll be doing research for a while as my chances of getting Night Fire were Zero until now. I'm hoping Horror will also be researchable (Fingers and toes Crossed) as LDON in not really an option for me ;-(........

On another Side not I also went to POI to farm saltpeter last night and had the hinge drop from the first Srcap collector I killed then again on the next one. I was like OMG where's another Necro but Alas I was alone in the zone ;-(..... and it rotted.


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[Ewasx]

Originally posted by Rijak@Sep 22 2005, 01:17 PM
nice shots!

i wanna know how you got to 266 research
the parchment cleaners go up to 243, and 266 is with quill. think actuall skill is 253.

It wasn't cheep, and i had help collecting saltpeter/crystalized sulpher, and parchments.

Probably wasn't worth it, time will tell.



If you are on prexus and get a parchment, I'll attempt a combine at no charge if you can bring some saltpeter and crystalized sulpher as well. Saltpeter isn't dropping as much post dod as it seemed to before in PoI, but the creep reapers in CC do drop some as well.

[Dranul]

Just a question to keep in mind for all you farmers that have more playing time than I do, does Destroy Undead require a Vellum Parchment or Runic Parchment? I know it takes a Quill of the Archon, since clerics get the spell lower than us; but does it take a 63 parchment or 65 parchment, since it's a level 63 cleric spell?

[Ewasx]

Originally posted by Dranul@Sep 22 2005, 05:56 PM
Just a question to keep in mind for all you farmers that have more playing time than I do, does Destroy Undead require a Vellum Parchment or Runic Parchment? I know it takes a Quill of the Archon, since clerics get the spell lower than us; but does it take a 63 parchment or 65 parchment, since it's a level 63 cleric spell?
I'm 99% sure it's the vellum parchment (lvl 63), but I don't have any proof. if I can dig it up later I'll find the post on eqtraders where someone said any spell that is for multiple classes uses the lowest level on the spell for determining components.

Might have been something I picked up from serverwide.eqtraders too, but still, not 100% sure... :(

[Jebasiz]

It was a spectral parchment turn in..not a GRW. I'd go with the vellum as a safe bet.

[Dranul]

Edit 9/23/05 - Fixed up some of the guesses. Was operating under the assumption that only one Ink was necessary. I'm not sure how the Ink of the Nameless works, I'll have to look at it in game. Also added a sneak preview to Part 3; Part 3 will probably be the longest, and most technical part, just bare bones recipes for every component you'll need for researching necro spells.

[Brantes]

Neurotoxin - Ink of Pain + Saryrn's Ink Additive + Arcane Thickener

Comfirmed did it last night
Embracing Darkness is also correct.

BTW Where do I find

Vetiver Root and Thyrayniss

Niether of these exist on the Internet, and I cant find em in game.

[Dranul]

They should be sold by alchemy vendors. If you can't find them on the alchemy vendors in PoK, try the Abysmal Sea.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Brantes@Sep 23 2005, 02:46 PM
BTW Where do I find

Vetiver Root and Thyrayniss

Niether of these exist on the Internet, and I cant find em in game.
Vetiver Root (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=2359&menustr=035000000000).
This item can be Vendor Purchased:

* Abysmal Sea
o Jorlan Hegeway @ 137, -51, 96, in the hold
* Rathe Mountains
o Zok Kuluree @ -2002, 313
* Shar Vahl
o Kanaad @ 50, 65, In the shaman guild in the tunnel between the Palace and Arena
o Mydi Darjik @ -250, -390, Building next to bank, with a candle on the sign.
o Spiritist Ragnar @ -270, -365, Building next to bank, with a candle on the sign. Not best prices


Thyrayniss doesn't appear to be in eqtraders db yet, is it spelled correctly?

[Dranul]

I think the proper spelling is thraynlis; used in Comsuming Thickener, I think.

Is it weird that my first and last thought for the days lately has been about spell research?

[Ewasx]

Originally posted by Dranul@Sep 24 2005, 12:57 AM

Is it weird that my first and last thought for the days lately has been about spell research?
lol, if it is, I'm right there with ya. First thing I do after I log on, and last before I log off, check guild lobby and pok/pot for parchements,saltpeter, and crystalized sulfer.

[Ewasx]

Ok, the guess you have listed for Imbue Nightmare doesn't work. I havn't tried any alternate combinations though, reading through the books, I'm not sure that the Imbue spells are researchable? (I welcome any evidence to the contrary, havn't been checking other class boards lately)

What you have listed for Night Stalker also doesn't work.

I've tried...

ink of tunare + any thickener
ink of pain + any thickener
tunare + pain + any thickener.

It is possible i missed one combination of those 2 inks and the various thickeners. None of the other inks seems like the right choice. Been stareing at this too long, maybe it'll come to me after I take a break.

runic parchment, bertox ink additive, and arch lich quill kept constant for all combines.

[Dranul]

Aye, the Imbue spells are tricky, I don't know if any of them are researchable either, since none of the Inks really lend themselves to it.

As for Night Stalker, that's odd. I'm pretty sure I have the right recipe for Night's Beckon, since I was pressing combine on that recipe during Beta, though I never successful combined it.

[Dranul]

Whee, now the proud owner of Night fire. Once I get through the sudden torrent of research requests from guildies (Oh, they didn't listen to the mad rantings till I made I spell, but now they listen!), I'll work on confirming each of the guesses I have listed.

Quick note, I succeeded the Night Fire combine, twice, with a unmodded skill of 202, Geerlok Automated Quill, and Arcane Tongues 2.

[Ewasx]

Grats man :)

[Ewasx]

Only one success to report

Sayrn's Kiss
Fine Parchment
Quill of the Arch Lich
Luclin's Ink Additive
Ink of Tunare
Ink of Pain
Consuming Thickener

Seduction of Sayrn doesn't work (Ink of Vision replaced with Ink of the Eagle?)

What you have listed sure seems like it should be right... dunno wtf is up with that.

Night's Beckon as listed doesn't work. I tried the same recipe as Sayrn's Kiss, but using the Runic Parchment, doesn't work either. Maybe need to use the drying powder?

It also seems like there are some inks missing from the book. Ink of Tunare is supposed to be for healing over time, but there isn't any obvious ink for instant heals.

[Zkull]

Has anyone tried to combine spells from MAG/ENC/WIZ for their alts or for guildies? Is it like the old research in that only NEC's can make NEC spells, as well as the WIS caster spells?

Zkull

[Schaeffer]

So now I have all the components for the Night Fire combine with the exception of the Runic parchment. Saltpeter was annoying to say the least, the drop rate isn't as high as I'd like. Runic Parchments are selling for 50k in the bazaar, yay Drinal! One dropped for our group in the Hive instance for the 69 spell progression (the one where you have to collect 9 pages of a journal), as well as a 62 parchment. Could definitely farm these, a free combine fail is much less disheartening than a 50k combine fail...

though it still hurts!

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Zkull@Sep 26 2005, 02:43 PM
Has anyone tried to combine spells from MAG/ENC/WIZ for their alts or for guildies? Is it like the old research in that only NEC's can make NEC spells, as well as the WIS caster spells?

Zkull
Any INT caster can make any class's 61+ spells, including other INT casters' spells.

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Ewasx@Sep 25 2005, 05:31 PM
Seduction of Sayrn doesn't work (Ink of Vision replaced with Ink of the Eagle?)

Night's Beckon as listed doesn't work. I tried the same recipe as Sayrn's Kiss, but using the Runic Parchment, doesn't work either. Maybe need to use the drying powder?
Yeah, Ink of the Eagle is the Ink I meant for SoS.

The drying powder would be needed for Night's Beckon if we had another level 65 lifetap dot from PoP.

And a related side note, have you tried using Assuaging Thickener instead of Extending Thickener for Night Stalker?

[Majordeath]

Just an FYI for those that aren't into tradeskilling.
I maxed my research at the guild master before they nerfed it and had a skill of 200. Now it's 205 after doing a few Aqua Regia combines. 215 skill with geerlock.
I have Arcane Tongues 3 (spell research mastery 3) and successfully made Night Fire on my first and only attempt. :P
I have a 52% chance to make the spell just by spending 18 AA.
Many people are asking me already to make them spells so more skill ups are forth coming.
Looks to be very profitable if you can farm Smudged Runic Parchments.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Looks to be very profitable if you can farm Smudged Runic Parchments. The bazaar dropped 2 last night for 6k a piece :) Now to get the other 15 aas I need for Arcane Tongues 2 and 3.

[Schaeffer]

6k, you lucky gnome, they going for 50k atm

[Darkeeyes]

6K, WoW and gratz..... I saw one last night for 18.5K and almost bought it but pasted for the moment.

Question though Would getting Salvage 3 be a help in cutting the cost of research skill ups or is the chance for a salvage too low. Any thoughts on this??


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[GnekroeGnomicon]

Question though Would getting Salvage 3 be a help in cutting the cost of research skill ups or is the chance for a salvage too low. Any thoughts on this??I would like to get salvage for attempting the 65 spells, but for actual skill ups salvage is almost a waste... since the combines that you are generally using for skill ups are close enough to the trivial of the item, that you already have a 80+% chance of getting a successful combine... which makes salvage just about useless.

However... when attempting a 351 trivial combine with a skill of 250, you might want that salvage just for the chance to save the runic parchment on the ~40% chance of failure... Not sure though, for me 15aa's (for Salvage) probably are not worth the loss of a few runics if you are only going for your own Night Fire.

// Seems to be a good day, picked up another runic for 8.8k when I got off work last night. They were priced like this:

48500 (2)
47900 (1)
8800 (1)
50000 (2)

I was thankful I hadn't spent all of my money on crystals the night before :)

[Eyez]

I check the baz every day on Tunare and have seen only one parchment for sale ... a shaby for 1.5k. Seems odd to me ...

[Dranul]

Yeah, pinned! My first pinned post, I feel special now. /does a happy dance.

On a serious note though, has anyone found a decent place to get sulfur? I mean, I've been vendor diving PoK, PoT, and Corathus Creep about twice a night when I can log on and I'm lucky to find three at most. I originally thought that Sol Ro would be a great place, till I remembered that Phosorous Powder is the stuff that drops in droves there.

I have a bunch of 61-64 parchments collecting dust in my inventory because I can't clean them and try to confirm some of these blasted recipes.

On a complete side note, if you have a SK friend that doesn't have Mental Horror, the recipe seems to be:

Quill of the Dread Lord + Runic Parchment + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Invigorating Thickener + Ink of Prexus

There's a theory floating around EQTraders that the recipes for spells that are buffs/give procs only care about the end result of the buff/proc. Thus, Mental Horror, though you'd think would include an Ink of Pain, only has Ink of Prexus because the end result is an increase of mana for the SK. Applying this theory to Seduction of Saryrn, who's guess I have listed seems to be right but is wrong, might actually be:

Quill of the Arch Lich + Fine Vellum Parchment + Ink Additive of the Nameless + Invigorating Thickener + Ink of Prexus + Ink of Pain

or Ink of Prexus + Ink of the Eagle

or simply Ink of Prexus

If I can find some blasted sulfur, I'll try these combines out.

[Xislaben]

Some fuckers at eqtraders say there's places wher eit drops like candy, of course they refuse to say where, and even what that candy drop rate is...

I'll try sebilis eventually, one suggested it, and I don't see it listed on alla...

[Dranul]

Ok, a tentative list for sulfur farming (I spend way too much time digging for information), no clue on which mobs though:

Wakening Lands
Gulf of Gunthak (Also check vendors)
Cobalt Scar
Plane of Hate (The foraged Chunk of Sulfur seems to be useless, sadly.)
Plane of Growth (Don't know how difficult this would be for a casual necro, with the zonewide aggro guardians.
Old Sebilis
The Hole
Sol C(?)

I listed Sol C because I remembering hearing a long time ago that it dropped sulfur in droves, though this might just be more Phosphorous Powder; the fact it would probably take a group to kill at a fast pace doens't help either.

[Eyez]

I've been playing an alt in The Hole recently, as it's a hot zone. In about three hours I got two sulfurs ... not great bleh~

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Plane of Growth (Don't know how difficult this would be for a casual necro, with the zonewide aggro guardians.Someone had mentioned this somewhere and said that all mobs in PoG either drop a value gem (something worth pp) or a crystalized sulfur... dunno since I have never been myself... but might have to go up soon.

[Xislaben]

Gunthak was listed as a half dozen drops or so in 2 hours... not good.

PoG may be the way to go, but that zone is no fun.

[Rijak]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Sep 29 2005, 01:10 PM
Plane of Growth (Don't know how difficult this would be for a casual necro, with the zonewide aggro guardians.Someone had mentioned this somewhere and said that all mobs in PoG either drop a value gem (something worth pp) or a crystalized sulfur... dunno since I have never been myself... but might have to go up soon.
i've been doing the deep on and off for the shrink wand (which i finally got last night :) ) ... i really was not keeping track, but i got a few crystallized sulfur drops off the horrors... though probably not any better than 5-6 in a few hours

[Eyez]

anyone tried /barter for the sulfur and saltpeter?

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Not sure how well /bartering works as of yet - especially for low demand (ie. not many people are out doggedly searching for Saltpeter and Crystalized Sulfur, and a small crowd knows that there even may be a demand for such).

I set up a /barter on occasion with decent buy prices, and the only thing that I can reliably buy are crystals.

[Aryse Andenter]

When I use a buyer I /ooc a lot about some of the things I want to buy, or what levels could be making a profit farming stuff, (or farming while they xp) or if vendor farming yields a profit on what I want. It seems to help a lot. I even encourage people to buy in the bazaar and resell to my buyer if they see a profit, since I won't have my eyes on the bazaar every moment. I have a couple of socials made and hit them when I'm logging in and if I check it any point, sometimes before I log out if I'm going to browse the bazaar for a few minutes first. If you establish a relationship with someone willing to farm the stuff for you, you might find yourself receiving eqmails when they have some saved if you haven't had your buyer up in a few days (yup, that's happened).

[Schaeffer]

Rune of Death is not correct, i'll play around and try to get it, I think we may need to substitute in ink of Alacrity for ink of Zek.


EDIT: Confirmed, Rune of Death combine is:

Fine Parchment
Quill of the Arch Lich
Ink Additive of the Nameless
Invigorating Thickener
Ink of the Rhino
Ink of Alacrity
Ink of the Tribunal

[Eyez]

found six sulfurs in /baz after work ..... 1k each :(

[Schaeffer]

yeah found 10 saltpeter's in the bazaar too, 500p each :/

Luckily a very nice guildie of mine gave me 9 for free :)

[Majordeath]

Well so far I am 4 successful combines out of 4 attempts(217 skill with modifier + SRM 3). Night fire sells quickly for 50K on Quellious. I have paid 10k twice, 15k and 1.5k for my 4 smudged runic parchments. Very very profitable :P
I find that the vendor just outside PoN in Tranquility has more chance of having salt peter in stock. I tend to buy out this vendors smaller quantities of cheap items to make room for other items being sold to him. Farming salt peter in Innovation is slow but if you go deeper in the zone you can find DB mobs at 70 for so so exp.
Crystallized sulfur drops well in the hole when you aren't there to farm it. The moment you want it it stops dropping :rolleyes: . My shammy needed a massive quantity of nodding blue lilies from Sebilis and I didn't see any crystallized sulfur there while farming it. Spent about 30-35 hours there.

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Majordeath@Sep 30 2005, 08:02 AM
My shammy needed a massive quantity of nodding blue lilies from Sebilis and I didn't see any crystallized sulfur there while farming it. Spent about 30-35 hours there.
i'll second that... i've yet to see it drop in old seb and killed a lot of frogs for cultural quest

[Darkeeyes]

I finally bought a Smudged Runic in the Bazaar for 9.5K last night but am planning to skill up more before I try a combine. The strange thing though is all the other parchments were higher priced with the exception of the LvL 61 go figure. Hope they'll continue to drop a little. Crystalized Sulfur I have found the hardest to find as stated many times already but have been able to buy a couple stacks of Saltpeter from the vendors @ (Corathus Creep) *spelling* so I try to hit them when ever I log on or off. Now to just skill up into the 220's for a try at the final combine......


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[Eyez]

Quick question ...

Does a Used Parchment (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=44660) have anything to do with researching?

(got a runic for 10k this morning ... now to skillup a bit)

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Does a Used Parchment have anything to do with researching?Yeah that is for level 61 spells. It needs to be cleaned first, and then get all the subcombines together.

[Schaeffer]

Used Parchment is for 61 spells

EDIT: Gnek you seem to always be quicker on the draw ;)

[Eyez]

Originally posted by Schaeffer@Sep 30 2005, 02:37 PM
EDIT: Gnek you seem to always be quicker on the draw ;)
That's not always a good thing :blink:

[GnekroeGnomicon]

QUOTE (Schaeffer @ Sep 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
EDIT: Gnek you seem to always be quicker on the draw


That's not always a good thing
Shhhhh! And SHUSH!

// I was a gnomish gunfighter in a past life.

[Sithicuss]

Saryns Companion uses Saryns ink additive...can confirm the rest is correct

[Zkull]

Buyer mode has not been very successful for sulfurs or saltpeters, but has been VERY successful for parchments. I have now acquired over 35 parchments, including 17 smudged runic (never paying more than 4k for each, and as low at 1k). I have vendor-dove 90 saltpeters, but the sulfurs are my hang up. I have made all my subcombines (skill 209 + 5% scalp--->220, with AT2), but am waiting until AT3 for the runic combines. Have enough cleaning solutions for 8 spells right now; NEED THOSE SULFURS.


Zkull
65 Nec Bertox

[Felicite]

If it's just on the lesser gem table (and the fact that you can get it from a quest that is a "gem reward" would seem to validate this), there is not going to be a "source".

Need to find the a good zone for dropping lesser gems including this and sterilize. AoE casters even.

/feedback a lot. Post on EQTraders. SOE has "adjusted" drop rates before because of recipe bottlenecks. They cannot give us a path that requires 10,000 combines and an item that you might find 1 a night.

(Well.. of course they "can", but in the past they have bent to reason. Think Spiderling Silk)

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Sep 30 2005, 03:55 PM
QUOTE (Schaeffer @ Sep 30 2005, 02:37 PM)
EDIT: Gnek you seem to always be quicker on the draw


That's not always a good thing
Shhhhh! And SHUSH!

// I was a gnomish gunfighter in a past life.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3938/gbugnome3wg.jpg

[Schaeffer]

Tried Dark Plague today - Ink of Pain + Bertoxxulous's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener was not combineable

I tried adding in Ink of Bertoxxulous to account for the increase in Disease Counter and it let me attempt the combine, but I lacked the skills to combine it, so I think that's the right combination, but now I'm out of sulfur.

Will try again when I get more...

[Ewasx]

RE: Crystallized Sulfur

Seafuries in OOT will drop it, not very often, but that seems to be the case everywhere.

So far I've had the most luck in The Hole, and even then that's maybe 1-2 in an hour while solo :/

If I get sick of The Hole, I'm going to go check PoG again, but last week when I went up, didn't really get any gem drops, just pp. Only stuck around for 20 min, so I didn't really give it a good shakedown.

Gunthak beach will drop it occasionally, check alla's for the mobs it drops from. If you can find a gnome who is working on tinkering, either drag them with you, or ask them to save it while they are farming riggings/quills. (also check the vendors in gunthak)

One final suggestion, CS. Check the vendors there every so often, and while you are there see if anyone is after hides and see if you can't work out a deal for any sulfer they get while farming.

That's the best I've been able to come up with thus far.

One thing I havn't been able to verify... lvl 65+ EF ldons. Only just recently purchased ldon, and the one I did pre-patch I remeber getting 3-4 sulfur, but I havn't been able to get anyone to go do another one to check (well, i've done a few lvl 50-60 while shrouded, but no drops there)

[Schaeffer]

Dark Plague - Ink of Bertoxxulous + Ink of Pain + Bertoxxulous's Ink Additive + Extending Thickener + Quill of the Arch Lich + Parchment


Confirmed

[Eyez]

I was away for the weekend so I set up a buyer from Friday night until Sunday afternoon. I got 18 saltpeter for 10p each, 1 sulfur at 10p, and 7 smudged runic parchments for 5k each. Not bad aside from the sulfurs, but they are the bottleneck as stated before.

[Schaeffer]

Made Touch of Mujaki just now:

Parchment + Quill of the Arch Lich + Ink of Pain + Ink of Tunare + Consuming Thickener + Luclin's Ink Additive


Need to add Ink of Tunare and drop Arcane thickener on front page. You can mark Dark Plague confirmed too.

[Dranul]

That's weird, I tried to combine that for Mujaki today, and I got a DNC. Maybe I had something wrong, /shrug.

[Schaeffer]

Just double checked mujaki, it's correct. You must have had something different.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Ewasx@Oct 1 2005, 04:55 PM
One thing I havn't been able to verify... lvl 65+ EF ldons. Only just recently purchased ldon, and the one I did pre-patch I remeber getting 3-4 sulfur, but I havn't been able to get anyone to go do another one to check (well, i've done a few lvl 50-60 while shrouded, but no drops there)
I just got lucky and did a lvl 70 ef ldon the other day (first time in maybe a month, still need points for horror grrrr). No crystallized sulfur but I did get two words of anguish off the goblies.

[Majordeath]

I just spent a couple of hours in the hole clearing from top to bottom and no crystallized sulfur dropped for me. :( Got 2 words of awareness and made 2 demi-lich which earned me 6k each. Not what I wanted but made the time spent worthwhile. :P Will have to look for a more reliable source of sulfur. Saltpeter is abundant. I have way more than I can use without much, much more crystallized sulfur.

Btw I am now 7 for 11 on runic combines(217 skill with mod/SRM 3).
Shammy GoD spell: Breath of Trushar sold for 75K in less than an hour. :blink:
4 copies of Night Fire sold for 50K each within minutes.

[Zkull]

Majordeath

Have been trying to make Breath Of Trushar for guildie. What was your recipe?


Zkull

[Majordeath]

Originally posted by Zkull@Oct 5 2005, 02:45 AM
Majordeath

Have been trying to make Breath Of Trushar for guildie. What was your recipe?


Zkull
Quill of the Prophet
Runic Parchment
Ink of Tunare
Ink Additive of the Nameless
Soothing Thickener
Highland Drying Powder - This is the important item. Makes different spell if this is not included(I found out the hard way :rolleyes: ).

[shraklor]

looking back at my logs (via EQ Companion) it seems a month ago, I looted and sold 5 crystalized sulfur's frm the gnolls in JPF. /shrug

went back the other day to see how plentiful they are, found one on a vendor in there, and clearing to named gnoll didn't see any.

did get clicky wand from the queen in JPF though :))

might also want to kill named gnoll and then kill the attackers of the settlement to see if they drop it more.? /shrug

----------------------------------

would this be considered a fair trade: stack of saltpeter and crystalized sulfur for Night Fire?

I realize Night Fire could sell for 50K, but how much more money could you possibly make from the stacks... Just trying to gauge any farming I might do rather then selling at an exorbinate price for materials.

[Majordeath]

Originally posted by shraklor@Oct 5 2005, 04:23 PM
would this be considered a fair trade: stack of saltpeter and crystalized sulfur for Night Fire?

I realize Night Fire could sell for 50K, but how much more money could you possibly make from the stacks... Just trying to gauge any farming I might do rather then selling at an exorbinate price for materials.
Never gonna happen. Saltpeter is very common. Now drops somewhere in DoD as well as PoI. Crystallized sulfur is available in small quantities most everywhere. Bazaar, PoK & city merchants will have 3-6 on them every day. Just be sure to go and buy out merchants inventory of cheap items to make room for other items.

[Necro_Bone]

Am I missing something?

Nightfire sells for 50k+ (one priced at 110k on my server last time I looked)

But the ingredients (other than smudged runic parchments) are all common/uncommon drops or vendor bought and all you need is researching skill to make it?

Is there another rare drop that's needed or another tradeskill?

[GnekroeGnomicon]

But the ingredients (other than smudged runic parchments) are all common/uncommon drops or vendor bought and all you need is researching skill to make it?

Is there another rare drop that's needed or another tradeskill?The problem is that not very many researchers have a skill to reliably make Night Fire. Many old nec's will have a skill of 200, which without the Arcane Tongue aa's (18aa's) would give you a chance of ~5% success... not many researchers server wide have a very high research skill (> 200), and up until now the Arcane Tongue aa's were next to useless so most researchers never bought them.

Really, in 6 months Nights Fire will probably be in the 15-30k range depending on the pricing of runic's and how much other lvl 65 spells go (server dependent) but for the time being the number of people capable of making the spell are relatively few with a decent investment cost for even a so-so chance of making it.

[Rijak]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 5 2005, 01:17 PM
Many old nec's will have a skill of 200, which without the Arcane Tongue aa's (18aa's) would give you a chance of ~5% success... not many researchers server wide have a very high research skill (> 200), and up until now the Arcane Tongue aa's were next to useless so most researchers never bought them.
okay, it's probably in this thread... but if you had arcane tongue, where would that put you at at 200

you're saying normal fail rate would be 95%, so it would reduce this by 50%, making it about 50/50?

[Sithicuss]

In addition to the above comments the cleanser for a runic parchment trivials at 243 and the washing is a 243 trivial meaning just getting the parchment is tough. Last time I looked the smudged were selling in the 25 to 30k range. If the person selling the spell bought all the components 50k for a spell that trivials at 351 isnt outrageous.

[Majordeath]

Originally posted by Rijak+Oct 5 2005, 06:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rijak @ Oct 5 2005, 06:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 5 2005, 01:17 PM
Many old nec's will have a skill of 200, which without the Arcane Tongue aa's (18aa's) would give you a chance of ~5% success... not many researchers server wide have a very high research skill (> 200), and up until now the Arcane Tongue aa's were next to useless so most researchers never bought them.
okay, it's probably in this thread... but if you had arcane tongue, where would that put you at at 200

you're saying normal fail rate would be 95%, so it would reduce this by 50%, making it about 50/50? [/b][/quote]
SHHH!!!!! Don't tell others how easy it is for us to make these or the prices will plummet. I am looking at a million plat profit by this weekend and am hoping it will continue as long as possible. MWUAHAHAHAHA!!!

[GnekroeGnomicon]

SHHH!!!!! Don't tell others how easy it is for us to make these or the prices will plummet. I am looking at a million plat profit by this weekend and am hoping it will continue as long as possible. MWUAHAHAHAHA!!! Hehe I don't think you have anything to worry, takes people time to grind out 18aa's (still 9 to go for me) and even then at a price of 50k over-time at an avg price of runics being say 20k you are probably making just a so-so profit (slightly better than 50% fail rate, but then you have a chance to fail on 2x combines cleaning and final spell combine which will cost major cash) (RNG dependent). But of course when you find those runics for 5k, profit starts going up :)

Honestly if I wasn't a tradeskill junky I would leave making them myself alone and just buy a copy of Night Fire for 50k :)

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Rijak+Oct 5 2005, 06:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rijak @ Oct 5 2005, 06:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 5 2005, 01:17 PM
Many old nec's will have a skill of 200, which without the Arcane Tongue aa's (18aa's) would give you a chance of ~5% success... not many researchers server wide have a very high research skill (> 200), and up until now the Arcane Tongue aa's were next to useless so most researchers never bought them.
okay, it's probably in this thread... but if you had arcane tongue, where would that put you at at 200

you're saying normal fail rate would be 95%, so it would reduce this by 50%, making it about 50/50? [/b][/quote]
Yeah, it's around a 50% success rate with AT 3 and a geerlok. At least according to EQTrader's calculator.

[Majordeath]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 5 2005, 07:00 PM
SHHH!!!!! Don't tell others how easy it is for us to make these or the prices will plummet. I am looking at a million plat profit by this weekend and am hoping it will continue as long as possible. MWUAHAHAHAHA!!! Hehe I don't think you have anything to worry, takes people time to grind out 18aa's (still 9 to go for me) and even then at a price of 50k over-time at an avg price of runics being say 20k you are probably making just a so-so profit (slightly better than 50% fail rate, but then you have a chance to fail on 2x combines cleaning and final spell combine which will cost major cash) (RNG dependent). But of course when you find those runics for 5k, profit starts going up :)

Honestly if I wasn't a tradeskill junky I would leave making them myself alone and just buy a copy of Night Fire for 50k :)
I put a buyer up in the bazaar and have been buying smudged runic parchments for 8K. I use a different character than my seller to avoid letting people know how much I make on them. :D
I am making freakishly mad money on these. Better than when my paladin started making the first tae ew shields on our server a few years ago. That enterprise netted me several million plat over 3 months. I hope this wave lasts as long. 50% success rate may be what the calculator is saying our successes should be but my numbers show a 66% success rate. Praise be to the RNG. May it ever be fickle. :lol:

[Necro_Bone]

Woohoo!! I'm glad to see you guys feel great about sticking it to those necros who can't farm GoD zones for Nightfire....and then brag about it on a necro board.

Frankly, I don't know how you sleep at night... :wacko:

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Woohoo!! I'm glad to see you guys feel great about sticking it to those necros who can't farm GoD zones for Nightfire....and then brag about it on a necro board.

Frankly, I don't know how you sleep at night... wacko.gifIt is hardly sticking it to the Necros, if you buy teh rune at 20k and have a 50% success rate at making them. Sure, when you pick up a runic for 8k and it succeeds you have made yourself some money, but the avg going price doesn't make much room for profit.

On a side note, should if you have spent the 18aa's to get Arcane Tongues 3, and taken the time and major cash to get >200 Research skill (have you checked the prices of words lately, it is hard to find a >202 trivial research combine for under 1k on Drinal now), and take the risk of losing 10,20,30k on a single combine (of which you have the chance of failing 2x before you have a sellable product) I think a profit is warranted. 50k would be a fair price to me if I wasn't in it for the tradeskills and to help guildies.

But, if some Nec came up to me and gave me all of the materials for a combine I would likely do it all for free.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 5 2005, 03:24 PM
But, if some Nec came up to me and gave me all of the materials for a combine I would likely do it all for free.
More than "likely" I bet. I know I will do any combine in my power for free for anyone that asks politely.

I bet you anything reasonable that Spell Research has replaced Tailoring as the $$ Trade Skill to max.

Even if you could farm 100% of the 3 drops, look at all the fixed costs.

JC has much the same costs, but you can sell back for what 90-95%? And you do.. at 20, 40, 60 combines per point.. how are you going to sell 2000-4000 of some ring (much less hold them).

[Eyez]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 5 2005, 10:24 PM
But, if some Nec came up to me and gave me all of the materials for a combine I would likely do it all for free.
I get /tells from random strangers when I'm in PoK. Always the same ... "Do you research"? I do the combines for free ... it takes just a few minutes.

On another note, I have found zero crystallized sulfur and Saltpeter on vendors. I have checked several times in many different zones and never found any. I guess someone else gets there before me. :angry:

[Dranul]

Edit 10/6/05 - Added in a tentative recipe for Unholy Bellow, as I found out that the new fears are researchable. Yay? Also, thanks to Schaeffer for confirming a number of recipes, and I know this thanks is late. And threw in a few items into the Master Component List.

Sorry for the slow update. It's hard devoting this much time to research and writing notes and such.

[Brantes]

Well on FV spells havent sold for me in 2 days now. Ive made VoQ, HoV, Balance of the Nihil(GoD Shaman Slow) and Nightfire. Im listing all spells at 50K and Blanace at 65K. Figure its just a matter of time. I am however selling the crap out of lvl 63 Embracing Darkness spells at 3500 per. I appear to be the only person researching 65 spells, as I am the only person selling them in the bazaar.

I am one of those old necros he was talkin bout with 204 Reseach, and with geerlock, 214. I bought all 3 levels of Arcance Tongues befofe I started doign combines to reduce failures. the % is pretty high. At modified skill of 214 I have not failed a parchment cleaning at any level, albeit only 64 and 65 arent trivial, and Im only 2 points from trivializing 64. The spell combines, I have not failed one yet. I have made 4 65 spells no failures. So the % has to be pretty high, at least 80%+ would be my guess.

What we need if for people to post which spells are sellign the best and which are selling the highest and try to create a table to maximize profits.

[Eyez]

Originally posted by Brantes@Oct 6 2005, 12:37 PM
What we need if for people to post which spells are sellign the best and which are selling the highest and try to create a table to maximize profits.
I guess that would help, but I still imagine it's going to vary alot from server to server. I see people saying that runics are going for 50k, are they actually selling for that or are they just sitting there? I can buy runics for 8k daily with the highest price I've seen 15k.

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Necro_Bone@Oct 5 2005, 04:39 PM
Frankly, I don't know how you sleep at night... :wacko:
sleep at night?!?

what's that, i play EQ :blink:

[Sithicuss]

Has anyone had any luck with Night Stalker?

[GnekroeGnomicon]

More than "likely" I bet. I know I will do any combine in my power for free for anyone that asks politely.
Hehe, I didn't want to have a 100% blanket statement... If I don't know you I will do the combine for free. If I like you I will gladly do the combine for free and likely gather any needed subcombine components. That covers about 99% of the eq population.

Then there is the <1% of people that I have encountered that have been incredibly rude to either me or my guildmates or training a raid I am in... those folks, in the unlikely chance they were to ask me for a combine, I might be strained to give it to them free :ph34r:

[FCseven]

I decided to give it a try and has 2 combines of night fire (202+quill+AT3).The hardest part is finding that damn sulfer :angry:

[Meph]

Damn sulphur keeps avoiding me. Any tips where to get it easiest without vendor mining or bazaar ?

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Meph@Oct 7 2005, 09:05 AM
Damn sulphur keeps avoiding me. Any tips where to get it easiest without vendor mining or bazaar ?
Afaik there is none. If farming be prepared for 1 or 2/hour or so :)

I got 1 in 2 ef ldons...
I got 0 in dozens of kills in Feerrott, Overthere, Old Seb, and Ocean of Tears killing the alla-listed mobs that drop it...
I am not going to dick around in the plane of growth...

[FCseven]

/barter could work,I think thats the next step I will try

[Eyez]

Originally posted by FCseven@Oct 7 2005, 02:29 PM
/barter could work,I think thats the next step I will try
I leave a buyer on overnight buying sulfur and saltpeter. Usually only get between zero and two sulfurs a night.

[Dranul]

Edit - Just found out from Ngreth the House Ogre and SOE Dev at EQTC that the Imbue spells technically have a quest associated with them, and are thus not researchable. And I thought I'd finally have my Imbue spells too.

[Felicite]

Runic Solution: fail
Runic Solution: success
Clean: fail
Runic Solution: success
Clean: success
Spell: fail
Runic Solution: success
Clean: success
Spell: fail
Runic Solution: success
Clean: success
Spell: success

I said all kinda sailor words.. ask Jeb what that means, I am an angel.

Edits: Bought AT 3 before starting.. and was making Night Fire. Still Giftee Necros waiting for copies.. so a farming I go.

[Dranul]

Wow, I must rock the proverbial house. I've failed a solution only once, never failed a cleaning, and have had about a 50% success rate, over the course of getting AT 1, 2, and 3.

By the way, where are you guys farming your parchments? Or am I once again the only poor necro in existence?

[Jebasiz]

Felicite is a sweetheart! Sorry for the spell combine failures...but ya made one of them, hopefully it was something ya needed =D.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Felicite@Oct 11 2005, 04:24 AM
I said all kinda sailor words.. ask Jeb what that means, I am an angel.

Edits: Bought AT 3 before starting.. and was making Night Fire. Still Giftee Necros waiting for copies.. so a farming I go.
Holy smurf that's alot of crystallized sulfur! And terribly unlucky at 200 with at3. You should have between 85% and 90% chance to make the sulutions and clean the parchment, and about 50% to make the spell with 200 and at3...

/e hugs tryal

[Darkeeyes]

After Collecting for a couple of weeks I got Antzy and tryed.......

Cleaning Solution Fail
Cleaning Solution Fail
Cleaning Solution Success
Cleaning Solution Success
Cleaning Solution Success

Clean Runic Fail
Clean Runic Success

Spell Fail :-(

I expected the fail but had things crossed *shrugs* Will attempt again when I get AT2 and 3. The only bright spot is I have the mid LvL toons in my guild saving all Sulfurs for me so I usually have enough of it to make all the solutions I need, Just have to get my Research past 200 and the last two ranks of AT.


Mistress Darkeeyes Whitelies

[Xelgadis]

Originally posted by Dranul@Oct 11 2005, 12:08 AM
By the way, where are you guys farming your parchments? Or am I once again the only poor necro in existence?
Mentioned it to you last night, but I'll repeat here for the benefit of everyone.

Most of my parchments have come from the Illsalin, Illsalin instances, Hive, and Hive instances. Couple have come from Dreadspire too, but I wouldn't recommed that place to the casual necro looking to solo.

On top of all that, I have a few guildies saving any they come across for me too.

[FCseven]

I have salvage at max and it helps alot,I did 3 combines on one success and salvage saved my runic and solution two times out of 3 :o (3rd time was the charm)

[Schaeffer]

/sigh i guess i'll have to work on salvage after i finish GoM3

[Zkull]

Initially with my skill at 208 (plus 5% scalp and AT3), i was about 75% successful on the 65 solutions.

Since getting my research skill past 215 (plus 5% scalp and AT3) I have not had a fail on the runic parchment solutions, made 15/15. Now that my skill is at 223, I have been pushing better than 60% success on 65 final spell combines (13/21). It seems that just a few skill points makes a considerable difference in success rates.

BTW, Night Fire is fun; NC Murk Stingers fear me even more....


Zkull
65 Bertox

[Dranul]

Recently found out from Ngreth the House Ogre that Night Stalker is currently bugged; as such, he's given to us the recipe for free, but says that he'll probably fix it at some point. The problem is that it require Highland Sludge Drying Powder instead of the appropriate Thickener.

Quill of the Arch Lich
Runic Parchment
Bert's Ink Additive
Ink of Pain
Ink of Tunare
Highland Drying Powder

[Ewasx]

Originally posted by Dranul@Oct 14 2005, 02:30 AM
Recently found out from Ngreth the House Ogre that Night Stalker is currently bugged;
&*^(*0QWE$SDGFT$%&^%UYETRHGFH *&%(#$%ERTYDGFB $@%&^*(&^(I*&(^$ &@#^%$&UTRHGFNB&%* !!!

ok... I'm better now.

I figured it had to be bugged, having gone through every combination of pain/tunare and thickener possible. Any word on Night's Beckon? That one doesn't combine as expected either.

I've sort of got a love/hate relationship with the new spell research right now.

/offtopic

I realize EQ is quite complex, far more complex than any software project I've been involved in, or would ever want to be, but it really seems like they are serously lacking in any kind of quality control. Example: DoD beta, Cloak of Shadows, req level 70, DoD release, req level 59, first patch, req level 70, latest patch, req level 59... No one ever seems to know who's done/working on what.

[Dranul]

Ngreth gave no word on Night's Beckon.

[Ewasx]

Wow, this is unexpected.

http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/...e.id=8534#M8534 (http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Trade&message.id=8534#M8534)


The pertanant info from Dev-Ngreth:

Try These zones

Zone Average/hour
FrontierMtns 70
EmeraldJungle 37
BurningWood 37
Trakanon 34
Overthere 25
Hole 15
Dulak 14
Firiona 11
Wakening 10



Now that drop rate does assume every mob that has it is killed soon after it pops... But... if one is able to clear at a reasonable rate. (Firiona_ALT1 is when evil took over)

I will still talk to Maddoc about this and see about additional solutions, I just wanted to give you places to try in the meantime.

[Dranul]

Ngreth is officially my new favorite dev.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Ngreth is officially my new favorite dev.Pity now that FM could probably sustain the slaughter of a whole 2 determined 70 toons... Ngreth new to the Dev team will hopefully liven things up there :)

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Dranul@Oct 14 2005, 02:30 AM
Recently found out from Ngreth the House Ogre that Night Stalker is currently bugged; as such, he's given to us the recipe for free, but says that he'll probably fix it at some point. The problem is that it require Highland Sludge Drying Powder instead of the appropriate Thickener.

Quill of the Arch Lich
Runic Parchment
Bert's Ink Additive
Ink of Pain
Ink of Tunare
Highland Drying Powder
Worked like a charm! thanks for the info

[Dranul]

I suspect that Night's Beckon is similiarly bugged, just use Luclin's Ink Additive instead of Bert's the recipe I listed for Night Stalker.

[FromTheDarkerSide]

Can anyone confirm if there is a Sarnak camp in Frontier Mts? The drop rate suggested seems tempting, even though deceiving. I have wandered the zone blindly, as my maps were not up, but didn't see any Sarnaks.

I did try OT, BW twice each (1 hour total) and still only saw ONE sulfur.


P.S. Not real desperate now that I made 2 Night Fire (with 215 trivial), with 3 fails.
I just think of a possible profit, which would tempt me to finish Arcane Tongue

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 14 2005, 11:08 AM
Pity now that FM could probably sustain the slaughter of a whole 2 determined 70 toons...
You've got yourself a carnage partner...

EDIT: DarkerSide, I don't remember a Sarnak fort in FM but I remember a Giant fort in FM.

[spiritbane]

according to my parse of faction hits, I killed 527 hill giants at the fort. I looted 2, just 2 sulfurs. I looted 2 forest loops during the same time

70 per hour? I dont think so...

[Schaeffer]

Didn't say anything on there about the fort, just the zone, maybe the fort isn't the best spot.

[Dranul]

Originally posted by spiritbane@Oct 16 2005, 12:50 AM
according to my parse of faction hits, I killed 527 hill giants at the fort. I looted 2, just 2 sulfurs. I looted 2 forest loops during the same time

70 per hour? I dont think so...
Ngreth has since come out and said that 70 per hour reflects pulling the entire zone and then doing so again almost immediately after repop.

However, he has also said that he will be increasing the drop rate of sulfur 10 fold when the next goes live.

I reiterate. Ngreth is my favorite dev.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Ngreth has since come out and said that 70 per hour reflects pulling the entire zone and then doing so again almost immediately after repop.

However, he has also said that he will be increasing the drop rate of sulfur 10 fold when the next goes live.

I reiterate. Ngreth is my favorite dev. This would be amazing! /cheer Ngreth!

[GnekroeGnomicon]

You've got yourself a carnage partner...Good deal :) Let's let the carnage begin :) hehe of course, if they are upping the droprate soon we could probably wait and then slaughter the zones, getting a couple stacks of the sulfurs would go a long way into improving my moral about Spell Research.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Oct 17 2005, 03:26 PM
Ngreth has since come out and said that 70 per hour reflects pulling the entire zone and then doing so again almost immediately after repop.

However, he has also said that he will be increasing the drop rate of sulfur 10 fold when the next goes live.

I reiterate. Ngreth is my favorite dev. This would be amazing! /cheer Ngreth!
If the drop rates really sucks ass as I've seen, an increase of 10x may still suck ass. It's tbd... I'll cheer if it actualyl gets better, though this is certainly a great first step.

180 + Geerlok + AT3
8 attempts to make runic cleaner / 5 failures
3 attempts to clean runic parchment / 2 failures (3/11 for 243 triv, should be 80%)
1 attempts to make a god spells / 1 failure

[Schaeffer]

The one good thing about being an officer is that I can call a raid on FM and we can slaughter the whole zone until we get a stack each. Then we can get some spells out to the guild and they'll do the farming for us after that ;)

Abuse of Power at it's greatest!!!

[Zkull]

There has to be some algorthym for the success set up for these spell combines. Per EQ traders, with my skill at 228, 5% scalp and AT3 I should be successful on the final lvl 65 spell combines at a rate near 58%. I have done several "batches" of combines of 65 spells (usually from 6 to 10 final spell combines in a batch), now totalling 39 combines (alot of sulfurs and saltpeters for those).

In different "batches" of 65 spells, I have gone 2 success in 8 attempts, and others 7 successes in 9 attempts. Overall, I have gone 22 for 39 which is 57%. SOE must have a method of following ALL attempts to maintain such a close rate near expected, yet have so much "batch to batch" variability.

I can confirm Night Stalker from Ngreth is correct.

I also can confirm that over the long haul, I am finding saltpeters more problematic as the drops are only in specific zones. Don't get me wrong, the drop rate on sulfurs are horrible and need to be increased (as planned), but something also needs to be done to increase saltpeter drop rates.

Zkull
65 Bertox

[Dranul]

My suspicion's have been confirmed over at EQTC, Night's Beckon is bugged the same way Night Stalker is. Just replace Bert's Ink Additive with Luclin's.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Dranul+Oct 18 2005, 03:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dranul @ Oct 18 2005, 03:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My suspicion's have been confirmed over at EQTC, Night's Beckon is bugged the same way Night Stalker is. Just replace Bert's Ink Additive with Luclin's. [/b]
Here's what I think of those two spells:

<!--QuoteBegin-Felicite@Jun 10 2005, 03:38 PM
*hands shake*
*looks glazed*
*drools*

Must.. have.. ALL.. spells..

Must collect..

*laughs*[/quote]

[Sivas]

Zkull, you're just seeing the natural results of a random number generator. The smaller the sample the more likely you'll see variations from the expected average. But as you grow the sample size, and if the random number generator is good, it will tend toward the expected average as you've seen.

Sivas

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Xislaben+Oct 18 2005, 01:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xislaben @ Oct 18 2005, 01:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Dranul@Oct 18 2005, 03:28 AM
My suspicion's have been confirmed over at EQTC, Night's Beckon is bugged the same way Night Stalker is. Just replace Bert's Ink Additive with Luclin's.
Here's what I think of those two spells:

<!--QuoteBegin-Felicite@Jun 10 2005, 03:38 PM
*hands shake*
*looks glazed*
*drools*

Must.. have.. ALL.. spells..

Must collect..

*laughs* [/b][/quote]
The day I use up a parchment on either Night Stalker or Night's Beckon is the day I've already bought a pre-nerf CoS and HEB from the profits of making other spells and selling them in the baz.

I include both recipes in here for completion's sake and if anyone wants to have them.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

The day I use up a parchment on either Night Stalker or Night's Beckon is the day I've already bought a pre-nerf CoS and HEB from the profits of making other spells and selling them in the baz.I dream of profits, but alas, I can barely make spells without the needed sulfur :) Hopefully that will all be changed soon!

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Dranul@Oct 18 2005, 03:45 PM


*laughs* [/QUOTE]
The day I use up a parchment on either Night Stalker or Night's Beckon is the day I've already bought a pre-nerf CoS and HEB from the profits of making other spells and selling them in the baz.

I include both recipes in here for completion's sake and if anyone wants to have them. [/quote]
I find Night stalker is my best seller so far

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by FCseven@Oct 18 2005, 05:06 PM

I find Night stalker is my best seller so far
Wow, that's craziness! The Yiktu are by far the hardest of the god stones to get imho, and night fire is really the only valuable god spell we get (well there is the ancient one that's replaced by the lvl 70 lich...). 1k mana for a crappy group hp tap... and actually paying for it... /boggle

[Xelgadis]

It's an (ok, I guess...) upgrade to Zevfeer's that has seen no other upgrade since. That's why most people want it likely, certainly not because everyone enjoys blowing 900 mana for a crappy group HoT with a weak dot to boot.

[Meph]

It's a decent spell but very situational. I usually load it durring AE heavy fights if there's a lack of healers in group. Epic pet + Night Stalker helps a bit.

[Majordeath]

Well my success rate has been over 70% for GoD spells and in 2 weeks I made over 1.5 million plat. Unfortunately today is the first day another player started selling these spells. :o
Just an FYI - shaman spell Breath of Trushar sells amazingly fast, half a dozen a day sometimes. Balance of the Nihil is a slow mover but does sell 1 a day or so. Night Fire sells 3-4 copies a day. Can't seem to move others very well. I gave up on all other classes. Seems as though necros