Research is Price Prohibitive

[Zkull]

I have been around DoDH, PoK and the bazaar (as well as looking at vendors) for these parchments. I found a few, bought a few and now thanks to some fools in bazaar, I will cease my research.

I was buying these for anywhere from 100-500pp each, now in bazaar on Bertox, these are listed at 6-15k. This has caused all DoDH players as well as bazaar sellers to /ignore when I offer 500pp for a parchment.

I have pushed my skill to 210, and spent some aa's on Arcane Tongues, now only to be blocked by the prices of some people in bazaar.

Is this happening on other servers as well?

Zkull
65 on Bertox
Skill 210 + scalp

[Rijak]

it's pretty expected that this will happen initially... and while i doubt they will ever drop to 500pp, i'm sure the price will even out over time

plus, if you visit the bazaar frequently and search npc-vendors, deals will still show up from time to time

[Xislaben]

I've seen prices from 6k to 9k for the lvl 61-63 parchments, and up to 15k for the lvl65 parchments. I've yet to see it lower than that. I hear you can solo mobs in some zones that uncommonly or rarely drop parchments though.

Suffice it to say that given the cost and the apparent rarity of the parchment you're fucking nuts if you think this new research is a decent skillup path. It'll be more expensive and take longer than fletching for non-karana worshipers.

It's only good for making a few spells you or an alt/guildy may be missing, and making and selling rare spells for other calsses (and maybe your own) at insanely high prices for the plat buyers.

the prices probably will drop a bit in the baz as the market becomes more saturated, but the drop rates are not that great, so I do not expect to see them going for 100pp or less and in abundance any time soon.

[Dranul]

Aye, don't expect to skill up on final combines; however, the Runic Parchment Solution has a trivial of 243, so it's a decent combine to skill up on, even if it's horribly expensive with Platinum Bar and Star Ruby in the recipe.

[Zkull]

I was not hopeing to skill up on the new research skill from DoDH, but even the ability to make those needed spells for myself and guild members is hampered at these prices.

I have noted the drop rate of these is not what I had hoped for, but cannot stand the price gouging.

Is there anyone out there buying spells off others for "fair" prices--and are those prices in the 1-5k range, lower/higher? I am getting the idea that maybe I have offering lower than what these should be worth, but has someone actually figured out waht the drop rate is for these parchments? Are we talking Discordant Scoriae rare, or OoW ***flow stone common?

Zkull

[Jebasiz]

If you're making them for your guild..your guild should finance your skill-ups imo.

Then again, you only need to be successfull once, and you can kite in stoneroot for pages.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Dranul@Sep 22 2005, 08:18 AM
Aye, don't expect to skill up on final combines; however, the Runic Parchment Solution has a trivial of 243, so it's a decent combine to skill up on, even if it's horribly expensive with Platinum Bar and Star Ruby in the recipe.
Try getting Tailoring to 300.. that's an acceptable per combine cost.

**

Grouped in the The Ruins of Illsalin last night for 3+ hours. Saw a nice belt (well, ok belt) that was an upgrade for our Warrior and killed a named Deep Orc twice for the same cloak that would be an upgrade for no one that could survive 1400-1700 hitters, partially slowable.

And got three Runic Parchments that I am hoarding.

One an hour is not enough for a skillup path, but its enough to take some shots at Night Fire for Giftees someday soon.

[Brantes]

on FV i saw a runic parchment in bazaar for 85K

I also later when I logged bought a 64 parch for 250pp

People dont know the value right now, and with the subcombines fewer people will do research, eventually there will be an abundance of parchments.

Also figure how much you could sell GoD spells for easily 15-20K

so if you have to spend 1-5K on a runic parchment its not a huge deal.

and if glyphed rune words are no drop on your servers making other 65 spells should easily sell for 20K

Im looking to make some pp on the ability to craft any spell, and eventually skillups will occur. Aside from Final combine on 65 spells other trivials are not too bad.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Im looking to make some pp on the ability to craft any spell, and eventually skillups will occur. Aside from Final combine on 65 spells other trivials are not too bad.
Exactly, and really to get to a point where the 65 spells are not that bad of a chance... get the spell research aa's, a geerlok and skillups don't need to go that high.

For the last week or so a couple times a day I have been buying every nec research word that pops in the bazaar < 50pp... stacks and stacks... think I will be able to make 227 breaking even... which isn't anything like tailoring (finally pushing to 252 tailoring this weekend after way, way, way too many combines)... ugh!

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Felicite+Sep 22 2005, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Felicite @ Sep 22 2005, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dranul@Sep 22 2005, 08:18 AM
Aye, don't expect to skill up on final combines; however, the Runic Parchment Solution has a trivial of 243, so it's a decent combine to skill up on, even if it's horribly expensive with Platinum Bar and Star Ruby in the recipe.
Try getting Tailoring to 300.. that's an acceptable per combine cost. [/b][/quote]
Ugh, don't remind me.

As for the high prices, all Parchments, regardless of level, are being sold at 10k on Saryrn right now. Expect the Baz prices to eventually go down, but no one really knows the market for them right now. However, how many crazy people want to go through the pain of spending 18 AAs to have a 50/50 shot at researching a spell they probably either don't need or only need one of? It's definitely a small market.

[Aryse Andenter]

Price will fluctuate, price will adjust... but it's going to stay high for most of these. Hopefully the relative value of each will emerge before too long as that is one thing missing in most bazaars right now - I see them uniformly priced still quite often which should change.

If FPoK is worth between 10-30k, with words worth 5k in the combine, doesn't it make sense that the piece you need for Night Fire, for example, sells for 10-15k? At a minimum, Night Fire should have double the value of FPoK... absolute minimum. Sure, its expensive.. but comparatively, that is fair.

[Jebasiz]

Fpok is 319/tick, NF is 335/tick? It's true that NF is much harder to come by..and they stack..but anymore the 30-40k would be obscene imo...infact it might be cheaper to raise research to 200 and then just try 6-8 combines yourself.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Sep 22 2005, 06:29 PM
Price will fluctuate, price will adjust... but it's going to stay high for most of these. Hopefully the relative value of each will emerge before too long as that is one thing missing in most bazaars right now - I see them uniformly priced still quite often which should change.

If FPoK is worth between 10-30k, with words worth 5k in the combine, doesn't it make sense that the piece you need for Night Fire, for example, sells for 10-15k? At a minimum, Night Fire should have double the value of FPoK... absolute minimum. Sure, its expensive.. but comparatively, that is fair.
Oh I'm thinking about buying research aa's and selling lvl 65 god spells :)

[Tryal Anderror]

The real difference is FPoK is not only researchable, but it actually drops.

Night Fire can't just drop and be sold, so research is the only option.
Night Fire is a more complicated ocmbine, with a higher trivial too.
Since people need both spells, the more rare one would be worth considerably more.

[Jebasiz]

I would think more runes drop in tipt/vxed runs then what people are pulling outta ssra.

Night fire doesn't "drop" but the rune that you turn in for it still does..and from lots of named, in lots of zones.

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Sep 22 2005, 07:24 PM
I would think more runes drop in tipt/vxed runs then what people are pulling outta ssra.

Night fire doesn't "drop" but the rune that you turn in for it still does..and from lots of named, in lots of zones.
The Rune isn't droppable, however, and the spell is. Not to mention you have competition from other classes for the rune and not for the spell. And I don't know anybody who still kills mobs that drop runes, but I do actually know people who farm Ssra.

[Xislaben]

I smack named on the way to ikkinz raids when they're up, but the drop rates of yiktu sucks donkey balls.

Jelki - 32
Eril - 11
Yiktu - 2

god stones drop in ikkinz too, but they're rare, and I've never seen a yiktu drop in one.

[Darkeeyes]

Checked the Bazzar on Bristlebane-Sol Ro last night to see what Parchments were going for and almost had a litter of kittens.......... Only ones for sale were Plain and Fine all uncleaned and they were priced at 50K pp each lol. On the brigter side I was able to find Salt Peter for sale on the vendors in DoDH as it's being sold as Vendor fodder atm. I'm sure prices may come down a bit but on my Server I don't see that happening anytime soon or that much as it seems I am on one of the more greedy servers. :angry:


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[FCseven]

Look at old research words for an example.Sometimes words of agony or torment will be higher then the final spells :P ,it all depends on the toon selling stuff in bazaar,some people just dont have a clue.BTW ofering to buy a parchment for 500p is a little crazy,I would prolly put you on ignore too.They are at least worth 5k (if you are talking about smudged).

[Vavra]

Originally posted by Darkeeyes@Sep 24 2005, 02:59 PM
Checked the Bazzar on Bristlebane-Sol Ro last night to see what Parchments were going for and almost had a litter of kittens.......... Only ones for sale were Plain and Fine all uncleaned and they were priced at 50K pp each lol. On the brigter side I was able to find Salt Peter for sale on the vendors in DoDH as it's being sold as Vendor fodder atm. I'm sure prices may come down a bit but on my Server I don't see that happening anytime soon or that much as it seems I am on one of the more greedy servers. :angry:


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after vendor diving in PoK I decided to check the bazaar in BB and the price range was 6-9k for Used to upwards of 30k for the Runic parchments :blink:

[Ewasx]

Prices are screwy. New expansion, new loot, everyone wants to cash in. On Prexus, prices are starting to come down, bought 2 runic today for 7k each, thinking they'll probably get down to 5k or so, with a little help >:)

Still have people trying to push Used Parchments for 50k... one of these days they will get a clue. I don't know about anyone else, but fat chance i'm going to pay more than 1k for a lvl 61 parchment. EP arn't *that* rare, and there really arn't any special spells that are hard to get for 61/62, so the only real market is for people doing skillups (i assume, could be wrong i guess)

[danoob]

New Research sucks and the RNG can die. In true RNG spite (swear to god the damn thing is aware and dislikes me) am 1/6 on final 65 combines with 204+Quill+AT3. Searching for sulfur or camping for saltpeter sucks. Runics are approaching rediculous prices. Was camping for saltpeter and had an etheral parchment drop... wtf makes new research extra redundant.

Now lets discuss sub-combines and the RNG. It gets no better. 1/3 on last 3 runic parchment combines.

So for all the effort, dumpster diving, bazaar searching, and depelted bank account what are my rewards.

1 Night Fire
1 skill point.

Do yourself a favor and just kill a Kyv (as someone else suggested somewhere else), as the New Research is just a sick time sink.

[Dranul]

Originally posted by danoob@Oct 8 2005, 08:46 PM
New Research sucks and the RNG can die. In true RNG spite (swear to god the damn thing is aware and dislikes me) am 1/6 on final 65 combines with 204+Quill+AT3. Searching for sulfur or camping for saltpeter sucks. Runics are approaching rediculous prices. Was camping for saltpeter and had an etheral parchment drop... wtf makes new research extra redundant.

Now lets discuss sub-combines and the RNG. It gets no better. 1/3 on last 3 runic parchment combines.

So for all the effort, dumpster diving, bazaar searching, and depelted bank account what are my rewards.

1 Night Fire
1 skill point.

Do yourself a favor and just kill a Kyv (as someone else suggested somewhere else), as the New Research is just a sick time sink.
As an avid tradeskiller, I can tell you that there are days where the RNG simply does not want to give you anything. I can honestly say that the best idea is to simply stop doing tradeskills for a bit and focus on something else for a few days. Come back to it later, tends to be a bit nicer.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

As an avid tradeskiller, I can tell you that there are days where the RNG simply does not want to give you anything. I can honestly say that the best idea is to simply stop doing tradeskills for a bit and focus on something else for a few days. Come back to it later, tends to be a bit nicer.hehe definitely:

Out of sulfurs for the time being but here is how my luck went friday night:

Dinged AT3 (202+5%):

1 success on solution, 1 success on cleaning, 1 succes on Night Fire.
1 success on solution, 1 success on cleaning, fail on spell combine.
fail on solution (ding 203)
fail on solution
fail on solution
fail on solution
1 sucess on solution, 1 success on cleaning, fail on spell combine.
1 success on solution, 1 success on cleaning, 1 success on Night Fire.

So I lost 2 runics, and lost what 16 sulfurs? BLEH!

Out of sulfurs... have a bunch of runics left but no way of actually cleaning them.