Nine year old curses at mom while playing X-Box

[Warspite]

Get me some fuckin' chocolate milk!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7153152098207965240

If that were my kid... ooh... I better not say, cuz Child Welfare would use it as evidence.

[Schaeffer]

Yeah, that's about when I'd hit the circuit breaker for his room and he'd be wearing the damn chocolate milk!

[Warspite]

Sad to say, but it's probably mom's fault that he talks to her like that. :(

[Schaeffer]

You hit the damn nail on the head with that one.

[BlackHeart]

Exactly correct. The moms fault.

Likely one of those moms we all see in the grocery store with their kids wailing about something and the mom arguing with them like they are adults or making threats that the kid KNOWS she aint gonna follow through with.

When I was a kid, my own mother would see one of those kids and say, "I'd like to borrow that youngin for a couple hours". I always thought she was nuts, but now that I have had kids of my own I understand.

[Fayed]

/backhand the brat

kid needs to learn some RESPECT.

[Nadori]

My kid (if i had one) would never talk to me like that. I don't believe in hitting children but that brat would be a gonner by the time i was finished with him


***looks innocent**

[Dranul]

Well, I'll be the first to wax philosophic about the "age of innocence" and such, but I just had this conversation with my dad:

Dad walks into the house
Me: How's it going mother fucker, how's about you get me a drink?
Dad: Bitch, I just got home, you can get your own damn drink.

We proceed to laugh, because it is in good humor, then talk about Harriet Myers withdrawing her nomination from the Supreme Court.

You should see me when I've gone without sleep for several days in a row...

[Warspite]

Now that Ms. Miers has nothing better to do, maybe you can have her make you some chocolate milk?

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Warspite@Oct 28 2005, 12:18 AM
Now that Ms. Miers has nothing better to do, maybe you can have her make you some chocolate milk?
It was just a funny conversation. I mean, I wasn't even thirsty...

/shuffles off into the corner to sulk

[Schaeffer]

Are you SULKING... There's no sulking in Necromancy!

[Dranul]

Suicide attempt then?

[Schaeffer]

Dude, why so down? If i used bad language in front of my pops, I'd get my teeth kicked in, and I'm 26!!!

You should be happy :D

[Dranul]

If I seriously used that language, in the true spirit of the words, I'd get my teeth kicked in, and if he used that language with me, I'd do the same, because that's how I was raised. Words have no meaning, it's body language and infliction that matter.

I'm down about War making fun of me, /sob.

[Schaeffer]

Dude...



Man UP!!!



WTF?

[Dranul]

Originally posted by Schaeffer@Oct 28 2005, 01:11 AM
Dude...



Man UP!!!



WTF?
I'm...afraid I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying I should be more of a man?

[Schaeffer]

I'm saying Warspite isn't going to /sob when you take a shot at her, she's gonna laugh her ass off, you best not be /sulking IRL or I'll whoop you into shape :P

[Dranul]

But I don't like taking shots at people, unless I think they deserve it. I'm not so much concerned about having someone take a shot at me, so much as I am that I may have crossed a line.

[Aryse Andenter]

I'm not one for hitting the child, but I would burn the xbox for sure. The language I don't like, but the attitude is worse.

[Warspite]

Dranul... what line do you think you might have crossed? The one in Schaeffer's head that tells us... umm... something... I'm really not sure what it tells us.

If you're worried about what I think, dont worry. You're nowhere near any line I'm concerned about.

As for Ms. Miers... she really does have time now for making you a sandwich too! :)

[BlackHeart]

My kid (if i had one) would never talk to me like that. I don't believe in hitting children but that brat would be a gonner by the time i was finished with him


In my experience, which is three daughters, you don't have to hit kids, they just have to KNOW that you are willing to. Mine are all grown now, the yougest is 19, and none can remeber the last time they got a whuppin.

They all do remember the "Finger Snap" though. My signal that they are crossing the line and put a stop to it right now or else.

My own mother had her infamous "Look" . She would look at me and half-frown and raise one eyebrow and I knew if I didn't straighten up in an instant that there would be serious trouble for me when we got home.

[Xislaben]

Mom's first mistake was not turning off the tv after the first 20 seconds.
Mom's 2nd mistake was not locking up the xbox.
3rd mistake was not doing anything about the kid cursing at her.

Mmmmmmm soap.

[Schaeffer]

I disagree, I think her first mistake was her choice of birth control...

[Nadori]

Originally posted by Schaeffer@Oct 28 2005, 09:37 PM
I disagree, I think her first mistake was her choice of birth control...
ROFL!!!

/nod
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Unclean]

In my experience, which is three daughters, you don't have to hit kids, they just have to KNOW that you are willing to.

Agreed, the threat just has to be viable. It's best to keep the threat non-specific. All the kids need to know is that dad is about to get angry, and when dad gets angry, bad things are going to happen, and valued possessions are going to be headed towards the basement.

My own mother had her infamous "Look" . She would look at me and half-frown and raise one eyebrow and I knew if I didn't straighten up in an instant that there would be serious trouble for me when we got home.

I have my own version of the "I'm not afraid to go back to prison" look.

The "what I'm about to do is for your own good" look works good too.

The wife has the "I'm going to tell dad, and you're going to be sorry" look of her own.

[Mallakith]

Agree my mum has her teacher look ;)

The child needs a month or so with the xbox locked away but unfortunately a lot of parents see it as a form of childcare.

Judging by the comments he was up way too late as well. If mums going to bed he should already have lights out.

But nuff said there was an interesting article in the Daily Telegraph about a similar topic but I cant find it on the web...

[Suicide]

I heard my name... whats going on ?

And to comment on this matter...

/cast spell "five across the eyes"

I would put that recording on loop in his room where the kid would be duct taped to a chair with socks in his mouth. I call my mother "woman" and my dad "hey guy" but that is out of good humour and it came from years of earning that by being a good son and a role model for my younger brothers.

[BlackHeart]

Agreed, the threat just has to be viable. It's best to keep the threat non-specific. All the kids need to know is that dad is about to get angry, and when dad gets angry, bad things are going to happen, and valued possessions are going to be headed towards the basement.


Hehe Exactly.

Last Christmas the family was all together and we were discussing this very thing. The subject of my "finger snap" came up and my sister got a chuckle out of it. She called my daughters into the room and asked them, "So what do you think would have happened if you didn't toe the line when your dad snapped his fingers?"
They all looked at each and the oldest answered, "I dunno, but it would have been bad"

[Drazzminius]

Originally posted by BlackHeart@Oct 31 2005, 09:00 AM
"So what do you think would have happened if you didn't toe the line when your dad snapped his fingers?"
They all looked at each and the oldest answered, "I dunno, but it would have been bad"
I'm a counter, myself. I have a 7 (almost 8) yr old daughter and a 5 yr old son. I don't spank them; not because I don't believe in it, simply I don't have to. We have<span style='color:orange'>: Warnings
Michael, stop that. Five. Four. Three. Two. <span style='color:green'>(seldom gets further than that)
Punishments
Time out (both actually have "Time Out Chairs" in their rooms)
Talking (provides an opportunity for my wife and/or I to explain why it was wrong and why we expect them to behave more properly) / (almost always accompanies punishment number 1)
Spanking (I think I've honestly used this a total of 5 or less times in the past 7 years and never for pain, just for effect)</span>
We had some friends over right before I left for Iraq this Summer and my son was getting very out of hand. When I told him to stop, he got that mischievious gleam in his eye and kept it up. I started to count backwards from 5 and only got to 3. Our friends were amazed and asked how I got it to work. I explained it wasn't the counting, it was that WHEN I count, he knows I'm serious and immediately persues other avenues of play.</span>

[Xislaben]

I just have to say one phrase:

"Honney, get the gimp."

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed+Oct 31 2005, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Doc Hollidazed @ Oct 31 2005, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Xislaben@Oct 31 2005, 08:51 PM
I just have to say one phrase:

"Honney, get the gimp."
Don't let child services see this post ;)
Heh, that's a great scene when Bruce Willis is "upgrading" his weapon of choice. [/b][/quote]
Yeah well, if they only knew what movies I let them watch!

[Nadori]

[/QUOTE]We had some friends over right before I left for Iraq this Summer and my son was getting very out of hand. When I told him to stop, he got that mischievious gleam in his eye and kept it up. I started to count backwards from 5 and only got to 3. Our friends were amazed and asked how I got it to work. I explained it wasn't the counting, it was that WHEN I count, he knows I'm serious and immediately persues other avenues of play.


I think some people overplay that card too. The important thing is to use it only with serious issues. I have heard some people scream at their child constantly and eventually yelling wasn't such a dramatic thing because they hear it all the time

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Nadori@Nov 1 2005, 12:31 PM
I think some people overplay that card too. The important thing is to use it only with serious issues. I have heard some people scream at their child constantly and eventually yelling wasn't such a dramatic thing because they hear it all the time
exactly... kids respond best to what most people respond to... consistancy, reasoning and understanding... my kids are pretty well-behaved (boys, now 3, 7 and 11)

i never have, and never will, raise a hand to them (except maybe in self-defense when they get big :P )... though i have no problem with people who choose to use it mildly... i was spanked as a kid and didn't turn out too bad

yelling is very rare too, i just make sure i choose my battles and keep it to the one's that are really important... kids are kids, and some are more wired up than others and simply don't have the capacity for self-control that others do... my youngest is twice the nut of my other two put together at the same age... i try not to expect behavior that my child is simply incapable of, but i insist on them doing the best they can

and when something important comes along, i tell 'em what's up and why and make them deal with the consequences... if the punishment is no tv for a week, i don't let 'em off for "good behavior" after three days... and if they try to sneak it in they get another week... it doesn't take too long for them to catch on

bottom line for me is if you respect your kids they will respect you

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Rijak@Nov 1 2005, 06:19 PM
... kids are kids, and some are more wired up than others and simply don't have the capacity for self-control that others do... my youngest is twice the nut of my other two put together at the same age... i try not to expect behavior that my child is simply incapable of, but i insist on them doing the best they can

Heh, this reminds me of how very very many times I told my brother he is damn lucky I came first. I was a 'challenging' child (if you can imagine :D ) and my brother has been totally laid back from day one. Compared to the stuff I pulled he is golden. But of course if he had come first, without my mall tantrum/no sharing/do not touch me self first to compare him to, he might not have looked so innocent :lol:

My mother kindly called me a 'high energy' child. For parents with kids like that... well I learned to focus by late elementary school and it was fine after that, it all comes together eventually.

[Eyez]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Nov 1 2005, 06:47 PM
My mother kindly called me a 'high energy' child. For parents with kids like that... well I learned to focus by late elementary school and it was fine after that, it all comes together eventually.
That's my oldest daughter and she's only three! I love her to death, but she is really a handful. She's very stubborn and wants to do things her own way (wonder where she got that from) <_< When she she pushes me too the limit and is just not paying attention at all I will give her a spank on the butt to get her attention and show her I am not fooling around, but that's about it. I try to explain things to her and speak softly, etc... but sometimes it just doesn't work.

[Raidjin]

In this situation, there is only 1 tried and true way to correct this behavior.

Throw the XBOX in the garbage can and spend some time with your kid.

I.E. Get them out of the house, do things together, and pay attention.

I have witnessed this behavior in children numerous times and it's generally (but not always) due to inattention on the part of the parents.


BTW - Any kid that ever used that language, called me names, or in any way DEMANDED anything, would soon find the error of their ways through the use of the hand.

[Zanbus]

Bah, I couldn't agree more.

There are lines that are not crossed. Kids do not order parents around. Period.

I get more remorse and reform from my oldest daughter (13) by talking calmly to her than yelling any day.

I could most likely yell from dawn to dusk with no impression whatsoever. However, 5 minutes of talking and she is alot more amenable to my way of things. Spankings used to help (can't really see giving her one now unless she really screwed up)

[Nizerns]

/rant

That kid needs all privileges revoked.

For the next 6 months
{
No video games

No TV

A strict curfew of 5pm. One of those cell phones that track them aswell.
}

A parent home to enforce the curfew. This can be exchanged with a stern babysitter.

A home work check every night.

And a strict bed time of 7:30 pm, which moves to 8:30 in 7th grade, and 9pm in HS. 11th and 12th should be later because of hw. Also, the Child shouldn't be allowed to have a car, unless he buys it.

But even an undisplined child won't act like that, unless there is an example set.

This ominiously reminds me of my uncle who use to yell at his wife, "Get me some Beer, you *****."

He even did it infront of the kids. It was no surprise to me, when the children during a family outing tried it on his mother to get him dinner.

I am willing to gather the father acts in the same manner, as the child, on a routine basis, but thats merely conjecture based upon anicdotal evidence.

While the child must be punished, whats the point of treating only the surface of the problem. I would also go after, what i presume to be the root of the problem.

Whether it is a person, or something that emotionally disturbed the child.

/rant off

PS. I am back in EQ (but no one knows me /sigh)

[BlackHeart]

I am willing to gather the father acts in the same manner, as the child, on a routine basis, but thats merely conjecture based upon anicdotal evidence.


Or is likely MIA.

[Mallakith]

lol /boggle at america ) i didnt own a car till i was 23

[Fayed]

hehe i ahd a car when i was 16, well my mom owned it, but i was on the insurance and i was the only one that drove it. now im in college and havent driven in 4 or 5 months ( the university doesnt allow freshman that are dorming to own cars unless u have a good reason)

[BlackHeart]

now im in college and havent driven in 4 or 5 months ( the university doesnt allow freshman that are dorming to own cars unless u have a good reason)


At 18 I joined the USAF and after training was promptly shipped over to the big metropolis named San Vito, Italy which is outside of Brindisi.

No need for a car for 18 months. Walked or rode a bike everywhere on base and took a bus or train when I went to town.

[Warspite]

Malla was amused:
lol /boggle at america ) i didnt own a car till i was 23

*smiles proudly*
AMERICA! Fuck Yeah!

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Mallakith@Nov 16 2005, 01:14 PM
lol /boggle at america ) i didnt own a car till i was 23
i know eleven-year-olds with cell phones <_<

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Rijak+Nov 17 2005, 07:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rijak @ Nov 17 2005, 07:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mallakith@Nov 16 2005, 01:14 PM
lol /boggle at america ) i didnt own a car till i was 23
i know eleven-year-olds with cell phones <_< [/b][/quote]
I can raise the ante to 8 year olds with cell phones. And other eight year olds asking for them because their third grade classmates have them.

[Nefarious]

I saw that video a while back. I think it was staged. *shrug* That was my impression anyway.

[Antinice]

I didn't watch the video, but I can guess what's on it.

Nevermind the details, but I have a relative who allows her 13 yr old son to talk to her using the most profane language, and disrespectfully. She always finds excuses for his behavior.

They're out there.