MM's are retarded

[dodlegion]

IMO mm's are just retarded. On my server, the rathe, its like the whole population (or what it seems) is just doin mm's and creater. That is all. I want to grind xp the old fashioned way. Everyone is just interested in MM's. ITs like candyland for noobs. Hey lets do MM's we'll fast but we'll never know how to play our toon.

[Rijak]

i agree!

down with MMs!!

[UsulDaNeriak]

fully agree.

another nail in the coffin.

Usul

[Auronnj]

yeah its just a stupid way to get end game without ever learning to play your class.

[Ankhe]

Totally agree!!!

Unfortunatly there are so many new players to the game who just don't know anything different. I would not trade the path I took to lvl up to 70 to be a flipping fairy every 15 mins :P

[Felicite]

Witnessed my first person /auctioning spaces in MMs (supposedly do them overnight) for 3K in the Bazaar last night. All I could think was "sigh".

And 3K is not enough if you are going to be doing them all night..

[Fayed]

omg i hate DONs and MM. i am perfectly happy geting no exp for a week. I play the game the way i want to. i solo in fire not because of teh exp ( but it doent hurt) but because of teh drops ( ore for tinkering, rest for cash).

all anyone ever does is farm crystals or aa. Its hard to even get a RSS group.

MMs suck. i hate them. they sounded like a good idea, but BAD implementation.

[Zeller TP]

IMO, this is a result of whining. And I shudder to think what is going to happen on patch day this week when "There will be significant upgrades to Depths of Darkhollow non-raid loot." We'll have people MM'ing their twinks from level 5 to level 70, then equipping them with 300 HP crap from the "upgraded" DoDH missions.

The days of EQ being a challenge are rapidly coming to a close. And that will be the end for EQ.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Zeller TP@Nov 14 2005, 01:00 PM
And I shudder to think what is going to happen on patch day this week when "There will be significant upgrades to Depths of Darkhollow non-raid loot."
Ahem ^ google

I am resisting the tempation to pick up all the DoDH drops I can right now in hopes they will become unbelievable and just sticking to the ones I have actually won on my own.

And I still have only done one MM.. for the Halloween quest. It was fun the two times I did it.. and I kinda want to do Nagafen. Kinda.

But too much to do.

I do admit to doing a fair number of Creators, solo and in kiting groups. But I think of them as easy, unwinding time.. and I spend the crystals on myself.

[Zeller TP]

I do not understand Ahem ^ google.

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Felicite@Nov 14 2005, 03:11 PM
and I kinda want to do Nagafen. Kinda.
naggy's fun just to have 34k hp... and the comments the raiders make are entertaining too :P

but once or twice is enough

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Zeller TP@Nov 14 2005, 01:28 PM
I do not understand Ahem ^ google.
a·men
interj.

Used at the end of a prayer or a statement to express assent or approval.

^

Used in many programming languages for exponential form, to the power of.

Google was a typo (or braino.. bad me), I meant googol.

"googol

a unit of quantity equal to 10^100 (1 followed by 100 zeroes). The
googol was invented by the American mathematician Edward Kasner (1878-
1955) in 1938. According to the story, Kasner asked his nephew Milton
Sirotta, who was then 8 years old, what name he would give to a really
large number, and "googol" was Milton's response. Kasner also defined
the googolplex, equal to 10^googol, that is, 1 followed by a googol of
zeroes. These inventions caught the public's fancy and are often
mentioned in discussions of very large numbers."

So,

amen ^ googol

[Xislaben]

Or just link this site if you want somebody to google:

http://tinyurl.com/2vqez

Nota bene, I am not saying it is warranted here, I just haven't linked this in a while and it was an ok excuse.

[Rijak]

ahem ~

used to describe the little cough that someone gives to express slight embarrassment, amusement, doubt or disapproval, or to attract attention

[Mystiqat]

It is clearly Monday.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Nov 14 2005, 02:54 PM
And then of course, for it to make any sense, you would have needed to spell Ahem as Amen as well.
I fully admit to dyslexia. My Grandmother wore a ruby ring on her not-wedding-ring hand.

Ruby, Red, Right.

So, while driving, if you asked her to turn right she would hold up both hands and check.

Ahem.. Amen.. just a single letter typo and transposition.. Your Honor.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Who are you all??? AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE REGULAR POSTERS!!!!!

I demand answers!

[Alotha]

I like monster missions. The ones I've tried have been fun - and really, do Naggy if you have the chance. It's a hoot.

I freely admit to being guilty of doing the fairie mission ad naseum. Run mission, log to alt, run mission, log back to main, until I get bored. The AA experience is just too good to pass up while it remains un-nerfed (which I expect to happen with Wednesday's patch). Besides, how much luck do you really have getting a group with your 59th level alt warrior? If you're like me, not much at all, so being able to grind some AAs/experience for him for a change is refreshing.

[FCseven]

I did a couple MMs,saw the exp i was getting and was so disgusted I never did another one.It's a shame to see such a once wonderful game dumed down so much.

[shraklor]

yes the exp. from a MM is insanely high for the risk, so what could Sony do to 'fix' this...

Orc mission: since it can be done with 2 people (1 kiter, 1 mezzer).
Solution: make MOBs run faster then you.

Fairy mission: 3 DoTs per gate and you win
Solution: have to be in melee range of gate to cast, and DoTs do less damage.

basically make it so you have to spend more time doing the MM, AND lower the experience per mission, AND increase the lockout again.



Now, using the examples of the success of MM's what could they do to other zones to increase population....

LDoN: How about increasing the exp earned in ANY LDoN. Also a group bonus for sucessful completion of a mission.

$0.02

[Brantes]

In all seriousness they need to remove the ability to be in a task say overnight or while at work and get the MM exp while AFK. Like Felicite said on FV they are selling slots for MMs for 3K-5K per mission which is just over 1AA per run. So you can pay 24K and get 8 AAs while yoiu sleep. You don't even have to participate in the MM to get it. How lame... with the MMs they way they are I cannot for the life of me get a group to go hunt something.

[Warspite]

Doc is again my hero for his spectacular Prisoner reference!

[Eyez]

Originally posted by Brantes@Nov 15 2005, 08:18 PM
In all seriousness they need to remove the ability to be in a task say overnight or while at work and get the MM exp while AFK. Like Felicite said on FV they are selling slots for MMs for 3K-5K per mission which is just over 1AA per run. So you can pay 24K and get 8 AAs while yoiu sleep. You don't even have to participate in the MM to get it. How lame... with the MMs they way they are I cannot for the life of me get a group to go hunt something.
Saw some peeps doing this yesterday on Tunare ... morons. If Sony actually made the xp here in line with risk vs. reward you'd get zero xp. And why no penalty for dying?

PS irons up Doc

[UsulDaNeriak]

MM are just another nail into the coffin of our good old EQ1.

such simple :(

they should stop that shit, asap !!!

Usul

[Errelin]

I'd have to agree. I hate MM's. I tried it once just to see what it was like. And it sucked. I got a decent necklace out of it, but it wasn't worth being a gay fairy ranger. I mean c'mon. Being a fairy AND ranger? Could it get any worse?

[Deanette]

I have not been abusing the mm for exp. If I had I'd be lvl 70 by now and not 51. However when I heard about the upcoming patch/nerf. I had to take advantage of it. So last night I did the mm bounce for about two hours took my very low lvl cleric from lvl 14 to almost lvl 17 and earned myself an aa for Furyae.

[Dranul]

I admit, I did a few Lord Naggy's back to back when DoDH first came out. But the novelty wore off real quick after that.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

I think they are fun to do for a time or two, but really sitting there doing Shrooms, or Orcs/Fairies is not that much fun. I admit I did Shrooms more than I should've but I am very glad for the most part the novelty has worn off (and we equipped most of our guild with those +45hp augs).

Haven't done most of the MM's still and probably won't get around to them now that the guild is starting to look beyond them for groupage. Who knows though, if they fix the Wolf mission in US I will gladly do that one again a time or two. Basically they had it so the mobs to kill would be surrounded by about 10-15 mobs that hit for 600 a pop... that makes quick work of anyone... you couldn't split enough of them as your dps was so poor that by the time you worked down a few of them they would respawn - /bleh! Didn't happen all the time, we managed a success or two, but most of them were bugged beyond repair.

[Soulconsuming]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed+Nov 14 2005, 10:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Doc Hollidazed @ Nov 14 2005, 10:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-GnekroeGnomicon@Nov 14 2005, 10:15 PM
Who are you all??? AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE REGULAR POSTERS!!!!!

I demand answers!
"We Want Information, Information, Information."

"Who are you?"

"The new Number Two."

"Who is Number One?"

"You are Number Six."

"I am not a number, I am a free man!"

"HAHAHA!!!" [/b][/quote]
i know this is from a song.. and its been driving me nuts tryin to figure out who its from.. please tell me!!!!

[Eyez]

Originally posted by Soulconsuming+Nov 18 2005, 09:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Soulconsuming @ Nov 18 2005, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Nov 14 2005, 10:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-GnekroeGnomicon@Nov 14 2005, 10:15 PM
Who are you all??? AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE REGULAR POSTERS!!!!!

I demand answers!
"We Want Information, Information, Information."

"Who are you?"

"The new Number Two."

"Who is Number One?"

"You are Number Six."

"I am not a number, I am a free man!"

"HAHAHA!!!"
i know this is from a song.. and its been driving me nuts tryin to figure out who its from.. please tell me!!!! [/b][/quote]
Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast

[Eyez]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Nov 18 2005, 10:07 PM
Also, the song is infact, The Prisoner ;)
Yea, you're right ... Number of the Beast is the album

[Soulconsuming]

Thank You, now i can stop racking my brain and go listen to it :) ever since i read it i wanted to hear it, but i couldnt figure out which it was ( been a looong time since i listened to them :) )

[Urrdaarka]

My thoughts on monster missions - a fun change of pace. That was the extent of my thoughts on MMs, until I noticed the drops and xp rate and realised that there was no danger. In the faery mission dying was part of some groups' tactics. So: nice loot, great xp, zero risk = broken.
Really the MMs are a slow do it to yourself E-bay unless you already know how to play your class - worse even because you don't improve any skills while going thru this PL.
I enjoy doing the occasional MM as a break from serious grinding or farming, but the reward is way out of line with the effort. As someone said earlier good idea, bad implementation.

[flishtaco]

My new proposal to fix these is make the two new ideas work together, make it so that if you want to do a MM with someone lower then you that you have to shroud yourself within 10 levels of them and get the exp/reward of the shroud and not comprable exp for your level and their level. No it wont do anything to the people that have already broken into groupable range but should stop future players from being able to exploit it so badly.

I fear the day I walk into a the warrior( or whatever) level 70 300+ AA 25 days played and skill 0-5 in everything.

[flishtaco]

dup post

[dodlegion]

Man when i first heard of these.... mm's, i tried one out, got 7 xp. i was like holy shit. i did these mms for 2 days. but then i got tired of it. it got extremly repeative. its like watching the same tv show over and over and over for all eternity. Do the same strategy again and again. I admit i did abuse this for 2 days i did them but then i stoped. I had just reopened my account after 8 months of not playin eq. MM's was a great idea for little bit. due to peer pressure from an rl friend i did these. I did these mm's just get back into to the game. I already knew how to play my toon. make money with him, aggro kit with him, i knew how to use my spells and my casting skills were max. So i feel that justified my 2 day abuse. Then i wanted to do soemthing else. I wanted the old grind back. Gaining lvls threw mm's dont really mean much, like grinding for weeks and then finally getting a lvl ur like 'hell yeah'. gettting lvls in mm's its like ' ok cool i got antoher lvl. 15 more and i get another'. I want to the old grind, i to do farming groups, but most of all I WANT LDONS. i want my horror spell so bad. but ill probly wont ever get it cause the whole friggen server is doin mm's. Lets all gather our pets and go after the guy that came up with the idea MM. We well chase him with syths and make his nightmares come true. For we are necromancers and we are pissed. We well burn him at the stack.
MM's r like the doller store version of getting an ebayed toon. oh man i hate groupin ebayers. MM'ers should be seen as ebayed. when i made my first 1 - 65 took forever. but when i made another toon 1 - 55 was a breeze. come on getting the first 55 lvls is cake. Sadly i occasionly still do them, because i cant get a group at any of the fun zones, like wos, hell i went to mpg for first time and i didnt get a friggen group. i got my fav solo spot yeah but its like " Where have all the groups gone?". I want to group again, and do that old grind again. I want that teamwork again. MM's there is no teamwork at all everybody does there own thing, cause u can get away with anything. dyin isnt a biggie, ull repop and there ya go all better. man MM's R THE SUCK. they suck so bad there needs to be a better word to describe the suckiness even further. MM's r retarded

[Dhaund Jra`Driira]

I bought DoDH a couple weeks back, and wanted to explore this "new" Nektulos. All my characters end up being Dark Elf anyway.. so I was all defensive about them changing my "home". Granted.. the place was kinda cool.. but I feel uneasy anyway. I had just reopened my account, and only had a level 16 ShadowKnight to play with. Killed a couple of the spiders there, and then alluva sudden I see this "LFMMNT". And again. Again. -Everyone- is saying this.

I hook up my friend with the "WTF mate?" and she says "It's Monster mission stuff. Try it! They roxxorz!" So.. of course.. I tried. 15 minutes later, I walk out with 40% more exp. Holy crap.

I couldn't help myself. It was -too- tempting. I could sit there, read a book, talk to friends, whatever I wanted.. and every 30ish minutes, I got another 40% exp. In two days, I went from 16 to 30. Considering I remember how long it took me to level up my SK back in the old days.. I was pumped.

Hit 30. Snagged my spells and figured "I'ma keep this train a rollin, yo!" and thusly dived into another MM. Sick as I was of the fairy ranger crap.. good exp is good exp. And with everyone either doing MM's already, or being lvl 70.. I didn't have a lot of grouping partners.

When I came out however.. I only got 20%. For some reason, this was upsetting to me. Half the exp? Twice the time to level? Oh noes! I'd already been spoiled.. but I figured no biggy.. I'd just go level the normal way.

Yeah. Right.
The finding of groups wasn't a problem, really. The -problem- was me. 15ish level with not 1 point of skill increase? I was a gimp, and it showed. Aside from being embarassed for myself.. my groups were ragging on me for hitting like a mage. It was terrible.

Thank Goddness I came to my senses and made myself a Necromancer once again. He's already to 24, and I've only one 1 MM, to get myself a free necklace. Not even a full week of playing to get there, either.

On Tunare, I've seen people that've got big fancy AA titles and the like /shouting "LFG, anywhere plz, need skillups." It's a sign of the times, I'm afraid, and of things to come.. it's much more difficult to get your skills all at once, as opposed to getting them as you level. My SK hardly got anything in those groups I had, and he was tanking half the time. My Necromancer already has higher Defense, Dodge, and Offense than him.

We, very soon, will be at a new age. Perhaps the final age of EQ.. or perhaps a rebirth of the solid group. There's going to be a rift in players.. those with skills, and those without.

..all in all, I really do wish more people would do normal groups. The LDoN camps are empty. I would -love- a chance to get my Dark Soul and Horror spells.. but to gather that sort of points is next to impossible, with no Dungeons being explored.

I really do think DoDH is just a dumbing down of things for new players in a lot of senses. But it will catch up with them, when they hit 50, or 60, or 70, and realize they can't take a hit or touch anything for more than 1 damage.

Time will tell I suppose..