Pet Control

[quixand]

Recently I've noticed pets are not doing what they are told.

Wondering if you all have noticed this as well.

Cause it's pissing me off. I tell my pet to sit, then Pet hold. I take DMG, and the next thing I know, my pet is running after me getting killed by mobs I'm pulling.

VERY irritating.

[Rijak]

haven't gotten that recently

was pet hold definitely the last command you sent?

[quixand]

Yes.

And to verify I spammed it over and over again.

Happened nearly everytime.

[shraklor]

no problems for me yesterday, one thing that annoys me is...

/pet back
/pet hold

MOB x hits me

/me FD
/mob wanders away and 2 minutes later I lose aggro

/pull different MOB
/pet attack MOB
/pet and I kite pulled MOB

/MOB dies

/pet goes off to attack MOB that hit me previously

Obviously this is because '/pet hold' only stops pet from attacking MOB but doesn't take the MOB off pets hate list. This is done with '/pet back'. So you have to remember to '/pet back' after you have cleared MOBs aggro, or else pet will go after him once he is released.

[quixand]

How does everyone else control their pets?

I am assuming everyone has all pet control AA's.

[Duke Roger]

Not having any pet control AAs, I control my pet by spamming the Pet Back button and occasionally hitting Pet Go Away by accident. :unsure:

[Rijak]

i have pet hold and use all the time... but if it's a change just since last patch i may not have noticed

[rukasak]

we may want to pursue this matter somewhat...

I run about 4 to 6 creators every weekend (which earns me about 800 to 1200 crystals which i sell... am trying to work on my research skill.. :( ).

I have been seeing a tendency for my pet to run after another mob that I was not aware of that might have hit me with say a spell.

I have fd'd at least once to get my single mob but yet after I have killed it my pet may go after another mob (typically the sentries either just inside the entrance or back in the small hallway). I wont notice he took off until i see his health dropping. then i tell him to go away while i now have to fd.

I realize that it is easy to get zone aggro, doing a lvl 68 creator, because of the roamers who may be gaters and who do end up gating, but i have my /pet hold key set up to where i tell it to back off first then pet hold.


this isnt the first time we have seen programming mess with our pets... supposedly they fixed our pet equipment but I am hearing different.


I will continue to monitor this situation and see if it continues...


I only have the first level of /pet feign and so far all i see is 'Boner' has fallen to the ground....

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by quixand@Nov 2 2005, 07:31 PM
How does everyone else control their pets?

I am assuming everyone has all pet control AA's.
I have a hotkey called "hold" which has the following 3 lines:

/pet hold
/pet follow
/pet back off

[Dranul]

Originally posted by rukasak@Nov 2 2005, 08:30 PM
I only have the first level of /pet feign and so far all i see is 'Boner' has fallen to the ground....
Pet feign is only useful at max ranks.

As for pets going off and trying to kill a mob that hit you before, they've been doing that since I can remember. I've just gotten into the habit of pressing my /pet back, /pet hold hotkey whenever I know I need to.

What I find really annoying is having to press "Follow" in order to get him to do so after I FD him.

I think you're just being paranoid about the patches, my friend.

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Dranul@Nov 2 2005, 07:00 PM
I think you're just being paranoid about the patches, my friend.
ARE YOU CRAZY???

The patches will get you, they're everywhere, there's no escaping them, you can't run, you can't hide, you can only accept the inevitable...

PH34R the P4TCHZ0Rz

[UsulDaNeriak]

/pet focus helps also in some situations.

Usul

[FCseven]

"/pet goes off to attack MOB that hit me previously"


I really hate when that happens,Usually I have to suspend and unsuspend pet when this happens so the moron dosent go attacking mobs at random.

[aeriform]

The 2 hot keys I use are:

Pet Hold
/pet backoff
/pet hold

Pet Attack
/pet backoff
/pet attack

Pet focus is wonderful in raid situations although having to type it everytime you zone or suspend or make a new pet is an annoyance. The only potential problem I have with this set up is if I send a pet in to engage and another mob agros my pet. If I'm in the middle of casting a spell/clicky when the mob I sent my pet in to engage dies, then I don't have the ability to hit my pet hold key until I'm done casting. The other problem is of course that we don't have control over AA or epic clicky pets.

Neither of the above guarantee that the pet's agro list is clear by the time the second line is taken into account due to the lag between hotkey line execution. Ie. something can grab the pets attention in the time it takes to go from executing the first line in the hotkey to executing the second line, it's just a very short period and so should function perfectly nearly all the time.

[BlackHeart]

Another quirk of Pet control and the pet FD

In howling stones the other night I was PLing my new cleric. Some idjit trains a bunch of mobs into my area. I cast a spell or two then decide that there are too many of them and just FD, let the cleric die, and pet starts whacking on mobs that hit me. So, I FD the pet too.

The mobs all eventually wander away and I get the enemies have forgotten you message. I wait a bit more while I run to grab a soda and come back and stand up, do /pet follow me and set up to do rez the cleric.

A full 3 or 4 minutes have passed since the train but all those mobs that were whacking my pet came back and jumped him again. I FD again and FD the pet and they leave. I did this a couple more times just to test it, and they always left me alone but jumped on the pet. Once I even root rotted a couple of repops while pet was FD'd and the training mobs never came back. Soon as I let the pet come back up they would all come back, no matter how long I waited.

I'm assuming that the pets FD has no 2 imunte mem wipe like ours does. Either that, or I'm getting old and senile and having hullicinations, or it's bugged.

Eventually, I just told the pet to get lost and summoned another one.

[Dranul]

This is a wonderful quirk of pet FD. You can wipe him from all mobs aggro list by /pet fd and suspend minion twice.

While there is no timer that will mem wipe like ours, there is a minimum chance for his FD to completely wipe the hate list, like all FDs have.

[Nannasuen]

LoL -yeah i forgot to suspendx2 today on a creator.. drake gated to the rear T near furious... 30 secs later looked like 10 necros with AoD3 all popped it at once.. pucker factor was in full effect. Yay FD at 3%.

As long as you suspendx2 on your feigned pet you are good to go to resume kiting. Forget to.. and you'll get a not so pleasant reminder to do it next time.

[FCseven]

IMO there should be a way to tell your AOD pets to /go away.

[Necro_Bone]

What does suspend minion twice mean?

Does it mean you first FD pet, then suspend him while he's feigned...then do you suspend him again while he's still suspended (how does that work because he isn't around at that point to suspend--do you just recast suspend?) or do you unsuspend him then suspend him again...or do you have to unsuspend, FD and then suspend him?

[Ewasx]

Originally posted by Necro_Bone@Nov 4 2005, 12:48 PM
What does suspend minion twice mean?


I beleave he's talking about the 2nd lvl of suspended minion. The first lvl will work, but your pet comes back w/out any buffs, the 2nd keeps all your pets buffs (and allows you to purchase persistant minion)

I'll never forget to suspend Goner after I have him FD off some mobs. Forgot to one night while screwing around in stoneroot. A group that was getting ready to do a spell mission, once they got done laughing, said they couldn't even count the number of mobs that warped on top of me.

That was also the first time I'd wound up FD at my bind point.

[Nirruden]

Originally posted by Necro_Bone@Nov 4 2005, 12:48 PM
What does suspend minion twice mean?

Does it mean you first FD pet, then suspend him while he's feigned...then do you suspend him again while he's still suspended (how does that work because he isn't around at that point to suspend--do you just recast suspend?) or do you unsuspend him then suspend him again...or do you have to unsuspend, FD and then suspend him?
1. FD pet.
2. Suspend Minion AA cast
3. Suspend Minion AA cast (which brings him back from limbo)

This is the only way to guarantee your pet loses his place on agro lists. If you have pet FD (like I did) but not Suspend Minion, you will be most unhappy - many mobs will come back to say hello when you let him get up. If you have suspend 1, this works, but strips pet buffs and equipment when he goes "into the pocket". Suspend 2 is needed to keep pet at full fighting trim.

Secondly, while pet FD is usable at low levels, you will not be happy with anything other than level 3. Level 2 is usable, but you will spend a whiel feigning pet repeatedly while things beat on him. In old content this is fine, in new content, he will die. Level 1 is a gimmick used to make your pet "faint", because the success rate is too low to be of practical use.

Thirdly, if you have /pet hold, you will frequently want to trigger your /pet back off once more to wipe agro list. My key looks like this:

/pet hold
/pet back off

...occasionally you will take a hit while pet is held, say from a second mob beating on you, or a spell. This will add the mob that hit you to the pet's hate list as normal. If you don't clear this additional mob from the pet's hate list, he will charge after it once the first one is dead. I always fire the above pet retreat macro once more than is required to get pet focused on one target, in order to wipe his agro list and prevent Jaboner from running off to kill things that I have already feigned off.

[rukasak]

I have had an occurance, or two, like that when doing creators.

I have come to the conclusion that if I know that any of the aggroed mobs are roamers then I will say good bye to my pet.

someone mentioned to suspend then unsuspend your pet. for some reason i have found that difficult if the pet still has aggro.

oh well, i guess any bugs in this area just makes life that much more suspense filled.

[ratchetfan]

Whoever started this post is dumb, I dont have a pet, :P I'm j/king, but yea, I have heard that people were bitching about the damn pets not doing what they are told from their owners... Like my best friend is a 70 Necromancer of the Saryrn Server, and he's always bitching to me that his pet isnt doing what he is told, and i also have a 70 Mage friend that is better friend than the 70 Necromancer and this guy is always on the phone with me telling me that his pet is retarded not doing what he is told,like backing off of the mob,like some people have stated, and I can see why you are getting pissed off cause he has died 2-3 times from his ignorant pet. :P Well,gotta go,teacher here, see ya all later, and good luck!




56 Ranger of Tunare on the Saryrn Server, named Teaadil.

[ratchetfan]

Originally posted by rukasak@Nov 4 2005, 07:24 PM
I have had an occurance, or two, like that when doing creators.

I have come to the conclusion that if I know that any of the aggroed mobs are roamers then I will say good bye to my pet.

someone mentioned to suspend then unsuspend your pet. for some reason i have found that difficult if the pet still has aggro.

oh well, i guess any bugs in this area just makes life that much more suspense filled.
Lol,wanted to try the quoting thing :P

[ratchetfan]

Originally posted by Dranul@Nov 3 2005, 07:10 PM
This is a wonderful quirk of pet FD. You can wipe him from all mobs aggro list by /pet fd and suspend minion twice.

While there is no timer that will mem wipe like ours, there is a minimum chance for his FD to completely wipe the hate list, like all FDs have.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH Dumb douche bag =P,j/king... Bored... still LOL

[Dranul]

...pardon?

[Nirruden]

Originally posted by rukasak@Nov 4 2005, 07:24 PM
someone mentioned to suspend then unsuspend your pet. for some reason i have found that difficult if the pet still has aggro.
Do NOT get your pet up off his face. Leave him feigned until suspend fires. He will go from feigned (no agro) to pocket (no agro) and back to "alive" (no agro). If you stand him up before you suspend, you will find he still has agro.

Suspend minion and pet feign all go together for us like peas in a pod.

[rukasak]

thanks Nir

[hughman]

Originally posted by shraklor@Nov 2 2005, 12:11 PM
Obviously this is because '/pet hold' only stops pet from attacking MOB but doesn't take the MOB off pets hate list. This is done with '/pet back'. So you have to remember to '/pet back' after you have cleared MOBs aggro, or else pet will go after him once he is released.
I have a hot key with both on them for when I want to clear list, then /pet hold for when I just want to hold it off.

The one with is simple:

/pet hold
/pause 5
/pet back off

Had to put the pause in there cause some times with lag and all the back off was getting through before the hold. /shrug

[Xelgadis]

/pet hold
/pet back

Had that hotkey forever, and I've never had issues. Something else hits me (like trying to split casters or something), I either pay attention (gosh) and back my pet off after the first dies, and continue to do so til the last mob who "hit" me dies... or I just suspend/unsuspend and call it good, so I can resume lazy-slack mode.

[flishtaco]

I have noticed that if I hotkey /pet attack even off the lil board that auto pops with him that I have to wait until I finish a cast to be able to click it.

If I use the autopop hotkey when pet is summoned I can click it during cast and pet will go do his thing. Minor thing and maybe its just me but being able to send him just a lil faster is nice.

I just have pet hold key I think I will try and make /pet hold /pet back off key though as my lil bastage gives me problems sometimes, and if fix is that simple rather then me havin to hit hold and back off repeatedly then its worth the shot.

[nethyia]

In addition to the /pet hold; /pet back off hotkey a few seem to have, I also use:

/pet back off
/pause 5
/pet attack

Not only does this make sure his agro list is cleared when i tell him to go hit stuff, if you play with the pause number, you can use the same hotkey to somewhat position him better on a mob that's been turned around or pushed around while in groups/raids.