Destructive fury

[Jebasiz]

Our primary source of doing damage is through DoTs. We're almost unigue in that respect(shaman use dots in a similar fashion, just not nearly as well), if "nukers" can get a "boost" on their primary way to do damage, why can't we?

[Dranul]

/agree 100%

[Xislaben]

Of course I'd like to see better chances to crit as well.

[Rijak]

how does average necro DPS compare with average wizzy DPS these days? not "wow" numbers, but normal high-end raiding necros v. wizzy

[GnekroeGnomicon]

how does average necro DPS compare with average wizzy DPS these days? not "wow" numbers, but normal high-end raiding necros v. wizzy
Exactly, if we are lagging a bit behind them then we should get more DOT crit aas... if we really aren't lagging behind then we are "balanced" so to speak in that aspect.

[Dranul]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Dec 1 2005, 03:28 PM
how does average necro DPS compare with average wizzy DPS these days? not "wow" numbers, but normal high-end raiding necros v. wizzy
Exactly, if we are lagging a bit behind them then we should get more DOT crit aas... if we really aren't lagging behind then we are "balanced" so to speak in that aspect.
Honestly, we should have more crit AAs anyway. Wizards get access to one teir higher for their crit AAs because they are nuke specialists, we should get access to one teir higher our crit AAs because we are dot specialists.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Honestly, we should have more crit AAs anyway. Wizards get access to one teir higher for their crit AAs because they are nuke specialists, we should get access to one teir higher our crit AAs because we are dot specialists. Specialist or not (have we actually been stated as "DoT Specialists by SOE?) if our dps is not out of line with the grand scheme of things then the need for another DoT crit AA line is not very useful... and honestly would you like to spend another 30aa's for a +.2% chance to crit per level just to have another level of DoT aas.

[Jebasiz]

Why yes, I would..thanks for asking!

[Dranul]

Originally posted by GnekroeGnomicon@Dec 1 2005, 07:19 PM
Honestly, we should have more crit AAs anyway. Wizards get access to one teir higher for their crit AAs because they are nuke specialists, we should get access to one teir higher our crit AAs because we are dot specialists. Specialist or not (have we actually been stated as "DoT Specialists by SOE?) if our dps is not out of line with the grand scheme of things then the need for another DoT crit AA line is not very useful... and honestly would you like to spend another 30aa's for a +.2% chance to crit per level just to have another level of DoT aas.
I believe it is stated in the first item on the top ten list that we are dot specialists.

[UsulDaNeriak]

Originally posted by Dranul@Dec 1 2005, 08:09 PM
I believe it is stated in the first item on the top ten list that we are dot specialists.
and the 2nd line please IS:

DOT dmg IS as worthful as DD dmg or melee damage, and it needs the same attention by the devs like any other kind of dmg.

DOT dmg should never be underrrated by the devs.

and dot dmg should never become discriminated again, like happened in the past.

nothing less, nothing more

Usul

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Why yes, I would..thanks for asking! I think my point was lost, every nec would spend more aas on DoT crits, but are they necessary to bring us inline damage wise. If we are not out of line in damage, then there is no need for more DoT aa's to be retroactively fitted to us. So prove to me, (and SOE as that is really all that matters) that DoT damage is out of line, then you can get 100% support for the small damage boost aa. I am not arguing that more damage isn't better, I am just arguing that we may not need more damage to be inline.

I believe it is stated in the first item on the top ten list that we are dot specialists. "However, just like Wizards happen to be specialists in, and undisputed masters of Direct Damage type spells, so do Necromancers feel that they should fill the same role for Damge over Time spells." This doesn't sound like a definite statement from SOE that we are "DoT Specialists" to me, rather an opinion from the necromancer community that is being "currently evaluated". You may also read the first item and note the phrase "Either a clarification that SOE does not feel that Necromancers are specialists in the same way that Wizards are, or address this disparity (an innate chance to crit, and an AA tier that catches Necromancers up to Wizards in terms of % chance to crit)." So, whomever wrote this item (sorry dunno if it was Sissl or some SOE forum admin or whom) doesn't appear to sound confident that SOE believes we are DoT specialists.

DOT dmg IS as worthful as DD dmg or melee damage, and it needs the same attention by the devs like any other kind of dmg.You are right, DoT damage is as worthwhile as DD damage and shouldn't be neglected. BUT, until someone shows defined proof that our Damage is out of line with DD damage then we have no basis for any argument.

DOT dmg should never be underrrated by the devs.

and dot dmg should never become discriminated again, like happened in the past.I couldn't agree more, however, the question is at this current state of the game are we being discriminated against when it comes down to final damage done... not how many aa's it takes to max out our possible damage.

[Mallakith]

Im with gnekroe in a way, do we need it honestly or are we fishing for items to fill the top 10...

If this is adding a Burning Affliction style bonus I would probably go for it if its just another miniscule possibility of critting i would think its not needed

abstaining pending further info )