AE Focus Augs

[Rijak]

this has been something that has bothered me since DoN came out... until you start killing some pretty highend content, the bread and butter foci of a necro are BA and AE... all other classes have their major foci available via tradeskill, ldon, don and even groupable boss mobs, but AE only exists in mostly rare items (or dated in the case of the gavel) or expensive tradeskill augs (the only way to get AEV)

the argument has been "we are phasing out BA/AE"... if so, why does BA still exist even in the DoN expansion? and why do even high-end necros still have BA/AE, either via item or tribute if it is now so unnecessary?

the fact is, you need a pretty nice set of foci to give up AE, even if you are a raider

some may argue that this should not be in the top ten... i can't say i completely disagree... i can tribute it and probably get a player-made aug eventually... but it's kind of a matter of principle (damn it! :P )... i think we deserve it (and leveling-up necros, even more so)

plus, it would be extremely easy for them to implement or deny, so it need not stay on the top ten for long

[sauruman]

From what I understand they are phasing out the lines from potime, like conservation from the potime earring. It was too powerful. The fact this is one of two potime items I bother with (other being a ring cause jewelry seems rare now) tells you how powerful it is. I have an AEV aug as well, but I like maximum MP for all situations.

They phased out these lines at the same time giving minimal boosts to a few of our dots, and dramatically reducing the cast times. It was around when these changes went live that they said generalized foci would be the name of the game from there on out. Since there have been AEV and AHV augs in oow, I don't know this is 100% true. While I've yet to see these itemized on other stuff, I wouldn't be suprised if there were to pop up again.

As far as BA... I'd just got for individual foci lines as you can get them. Necros need magic, fire, and poison (disease kinda not worth messing with). BA is such a weak % focus that its really just a drop in the hat. I went for the wand from sol ro (when I used this method), and the thingy from VT is always an option.

I believe there is a quested neck out of rcod for BAV?

[Rijak]

Originally posted by sauruman@Dec 2 2005, 12:05 PM
They phased out these lines at the same time giving minimal boosts to a few of our dots, and dramatically reducing the cast times. It was around when these changes went live that they said generalized foci would be the name of the game from there on out. Since there have been AEV and AHV augs in oow, I don't know this is 100% true. While I've yet to see these itemized on other stuff, I wouldn't be suprised if there were to pop up again.
so you are basically saying that you think AEIV/AEV is too powerful?

[Nirruden]

My GoogleFu is rusty, but I seem to recall they've already said "We're not going to extend the AE/BA lines any further, instead, we're going to have lines specifically devoted to detrimental mana pres (DD/DOT) and to REsist-based damage enhancements (FR/DR/PR/etc instead of DD/DOT).

No point in asking for something to which they've already said "We're not doing that."

[Rijak]

it's never been on the top ten... and i'm not asking for something that doesn't exist, just for a cheaper method of obtaining something that already exists

[Jebasiz]

Isn't there an OOW augment, Radiant cut blah blah blah...that is AE IV?

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 2 2005, 12:14 PM
Isn't there an OOW augment, Radiant cut blah blah blah...that is AE IV?
Yes.. Sauruman's Sleeves. They are hardly easy or cheap to come by (and the finished augmentation are very slot specific).

Just reporting.

Edit: Damn I wish I has not looked at Sauruman's Magelo.

[Jebasiz]

Radiant kyanite of pure potency...It's rare but not impossible!

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 2 2005, 08:18 PM
Radiant kyanite of pure potency...It's rare but not impossible!
100k minimum unless you have some friends with gm tradeskills in poison and what not, and you provide all the parts. And lucy for any aug with "of pure potency" in the name. I kinda like Radiant Sphalerite of Pure Potency, but +45hp on the kyanite is good too.


Radiant Kyanite of Pure Potency (http://plurpage.com/everquest/aug.php)
MAGIC ITEM ATTUNEABLE AUGMENTATION
This Augmentation fits in slot types: 7, 8, 12
Focus Effect: Affliction Efficiency V
HP: +45

Restrictions -
Slot: ARMS HANDS FEET
Recommended Level of 65
Class: ALL
Race: ALL

Ingredients:
Step 1. (triv 351 Jewelcraft)
Radiant Cut Kyanite = Kyanite + gem cutter + Fine Hydroabrasive in jeweler's kit, collapsible jeweler's kit

Step 2. (triv 327 Alchemy/Poison)
Radiant Kyanite of Minor Potency = Dihedral Burin + Mark of Potency + Radiant Cut Kyanite + Reduced Amber Resin + Treanic Acid in medicine bag, foldable medicine bag, mortar and pestle, marble mortar and pestle, collapsible mortar and pestle

Step 3. (triv 327 Alchemy/Poison - subcombine 327 smithing & 6.3k vendor item)
Radiant Kyanite of Pure Potency = Radiant Kyanite of Minor Potency + Black Gold Inlay in medicine bag, foldable medicine bag, mortar and pestle, marble mortar and pestle, collapsible mortar and pestle

[Jebasiz]

Heh, we have the ability to farm better then any other single class in the game. On an average night of farming(solo) I'll come away with 50-200k in items..as long as spawns are open.

[sauruman]

/blush

I wrote a quick guide to help you guys with your augment questions, and show you how easy it is to get these focuses:
http://www.necrotalk.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=5166



so you are basically saying that you think AEIV/AEV is too powerful?
No.... not saying that at all. Just saying that the DEVS think that conservation line from potime line was too powerful. Necros asked for an upgrade in the last several expansions, and at least they answered honestly for better or worse (we were wondering for a while). Scaled out means that no future items will have this effect or anything more powerful (higher % or scale to 70), but that current items are protected.

[UsulDaNeriak]

i voted NO, even if i fully agree to Rijaks statements.

sony is going into the wrong direction with foci, and the itemization of AE is lousy....

BUT

we should not waste our time or even waste a slot on our list, to ask for something sony already said NO and is not willing to change.

Usul

[Rijak]

Originally posted by sauruman@Dec 3 2005, 01:36 AM
No.... not saying that at all. Just saying that the DEVS think that conservation line from potime line was too powerful. Necros asked for an upgrade in the last several expansions, and at least they answered honestly for better or worse (we were wondering for a while). Scaled out means that no future items will have this effect or anything more powerful (higher % or scale to 70), but that current items are protected.
that's kind of apples and oranges... i'm not talking about conservation of bertox, or and upgrade to that line... and AE isn't hard to get, just a hassle (i.e. tribute)

i've read the "dev answer" and it seemed to be directed more at the conservation line than AE... the only thing adding a AEIV or V aug would do is bring player-made aug prices down to reasonable levels (like the BA ones did)... it would not change anything else, 'cause any necro in the know uses AEV via tribute anyway

in terms of wasting a slot on the top ten... the top ten was actually nine forever, and the current debate has only 4-6 items that most seem to find top ten worthy

consider it for #10 instead of keeping it TBA forever like the last list... or, at worst, i'll just continue my personal crusade via the SOE boards :P

[sauruman]

Continue the crusade and I'll back you up on those posts. Just like any common sense request you guys post on the boards out there. The devs read them, and I urge you guys to bring them the fight.

The one drawback to all this discussion here and at eqnecro, is that Sony doesn't read any of this unless I specifically ask them too. They read everything on eqlive for at the least profanity, etc.

[Ewasx]

Originally posted by sauruman@Dec 4 2005, 09:20 PM
The one drawback to all this discussion here and at eqnecro, is that Sony doesn't read any of this unless I specifically ask them too. They read everything on eqlive for at the least profanity, etc.
I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. I'd rather we have the ability to tell them what we think, then have them read us discussing something and guess, or decide to nerf us.

Even better not telling them to look here at all, but post it on eqlive.

[sauruman]

Yep, thats really the reason I made all these posts here and at eqnecro, cause I don't want this process interfered by SoE, or by pallies, warriors, and Klonn.