Twitch do we care about getting a resolution?

[sauruman]

Being that necromancers have contrasting views regarding TWITCH, its future, its role, etc....

Necromancers ask for resolution to this item if its top ten worthy yada yada...



....


Personally I'm wise enough to know its worthless.
What you wiped?
/gu AFK 10mins while you fuckers get some mana (what do you want I rezed you already??)

[sauruman]

Unless your voting

I don't care about this item, I'm sick of these threads, I'd rather have sexual relations with a bunny rabbit then go through this hell again (neutral vote)


I NEED to see some justification for your answer, or your vote basically didn't get counted in the end. This goes for all voting threads. I don't trust the numbers, I trust the comments. If you don't feel comfortable posting this stuff on these forums, feel free to PM me your thoughts.

I voted the first option. Necromancers are a DPS class with a little utility. But by and large we are a DPS class. When I get mid fight tells for twitches... oh wait this doesn't happen in my guild! To some younger nec's defense tho, my first few Jelvan, xegony etc kills we used twitch as part of the strat. As we got it down it quickly became unnecessary. Twitch too often conflicts with our ability to do DPS during fights now a days, so nec's gotta put their feet down and say no more... Solution to resistant mobs like the 2.0 cleric fights is FIX THE RESISTS

[Aryse Andenter]

My first choice is to remove the spell from the game.

My second choice is to have the spell blocked from some zones.

My third choice is to have the spell blocked while my target has agro.


My reasoning is explained in detail in this thread: http://www.necrotalk.com/index.php?showtopic=4758, but I'll be happy to get into it again here :D

[Felicite]

Ok. I voted for the "nothing while nobody is on any hate list".

My reasons are.. I, single group content me, use this spell to transfer mana. Yes, it's a dog with fleas, but I was used in Tipt between fights to pop the cleric. I can see times when I would be willing to/need to pass the cleric 1000 mana then go on.

And I use it in downtime.

Hey.. if it were gone completely from the game.. I would deal (be easier to deal if they made all mobs Mind Wrackable.. I was only using twitch in Tipt cause there we no handy wrackable mobs about).

So.. I think the "on no ones hate list" would remove it from most raid encounters unless you made truly silly efforts to use it.

Aryse is going to kill me.

[UsulDaNeriak]

nice idea i found on eqnecro....

shared timer of mw and twitch.

so no twitch possible, if mw was used for 1 minute until mw is up again. mw for combat, twitch for downtime.
now upgrade mw, that the mana given is better than the twitches you can do in 1 minute and its perfect.

nearly perfect. there are still
- old pre-oow zones. i dont care about pop and older, but GoD might be an issue for some guys. so, more mw in GoD could be the solution.
- some mobs are mw immune.

but this idea, really has potential, imho.
i am truly convinced, that we should adress mw and twitch together. as 1 issue, proposing 1 combined solution!

Usul

[Sathras]

Since the last thread my opinion had changed alot. :P Now I'm for a complete removal. I don't want to be the mana manager for other people. If they want to deliberately waste mana then let them do that. But I won't make up for their miscalculations.

And I don't want to endlessly discuss the reasons in the cleric or - worse - necro channel why I don't twitch. Yeah, I think that's the worst thing about the spell - the discussions. :( So, remove please.

[Rijak]

#1 ~ can't cast on players with aggro (i like the ability to twitch during downtime, it speeds raids up)

#2 ~ remove from the game (i could live without the benefits of #1)

i like usul's idea, but it might be too complex, which is the same reason i am against the zone by zone idea

[Doc Hollidazed]

I don't understand the issue. If there are people that like to use twitch, adding constraints and silly timer ties to mindwrack limit their utility. If there are people that don't like to twitch, then just don't twitch. Such simple right?

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Dec 9 2005, 09:46 AM
If there are people that don't like to twitch, then just don't twitch. Such simple right?
my thoughts too... but i'll conceed that some don't have the brass to tell their RL to screw off (though as an RL myself, those are the people i respect the most)... so, remove it from combat... best of both worlds for 90% i'd say

[Doc Hollidazed]

Originally posted by Rijak@Dec 9 2005, 03:25 PM
my thoughts too... but i'll conceed that some don't have the brass to tell their RL to screw off (though as an RL myself, those are the people i respect the most)... so, remove it from combat... best of both worlds for 90% i'd say
We need more Chutzpah! Top ten issue #1. SOE, please give today's necromancer a pair of stainless steel balls.

"What!?! You will not twitch!?! What...what...presumption!"

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Dec 9 2005, 02:46 PM
I don't understand the issue. If there are people that like to use twitch, adding constraints and silly timer ties to mindwrack limit their utility. If there are people that don't like to twitch, then just don't twitch. Such simple right?
Necros should not have to leave their guild over this issue.

And it would come to that.

It almost seems to be a bigger problem with high end guilds, many of the current top guilds are stuck in their twitch rut, and do have the power to boot anyone who refuses. If all raid leaders left twitching up to the discretion of the necro and he twitched or not as he saw fit we wouldn't have this issue. Clearly this isn't the case, and its being used ineffectively and during fights - so it needs to go.




(Ask Usul sometime about his encounter with my RL and how open he was to learning about necros. :lol: )

[Doc Hollidazed]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Dec 9 2005, 04:12 PM
And it would come to that.
Nah, they will miss our dps and EE res. They will come crawling back to us...

[Doc Hollidazed]

I don't think the agro thing will work to well. We will still be asked to twitch, before the twitchee engages a mob. Then they will cleric nuke and druid nuke the next mob, and will ask for yet more twitching. In my opinion there is little to compromise on here. Either remove the spell, or refuse to twitch...and refusal does the least harm to those who want to twitch.

[Jebasiz]

Twitch is dead..let it stay that way. If you want to chain one spell over and over, reroll as a wizard.

[Mallakith]

QUOTE (Aryse Andenter @ Dec 9 2005, 04:12 PM)
And it would come to that.


Nah, they will miss our dps and EE res. They will come crawling back to us...

They wouldnt cos RL would get a gimpass monster missioned necro who doesnt know any better and is happy to twitch!

Get rid of it altogether

[Doc Hollidazed]

Heh, the necros who want to get rid of twitch for job security crack me up.

[Doc Hollidazed]

We ought to just get rid of twitch on necros and have SOE make an Ethereal Healer class, whose sole responsibilities include replenishing mana over time and dd mana infusion, and of course, songs that make the listener's ears tingle with delight as they regen mana faster...

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed+Dec 9 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Doc Hollidazed @ Dec 9 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Aryse Andenter@Dec 9 2005, 04:12 PM
And it would come to that.
Nah, they will miss our dps and EE res. They will come crawling back to us... [/b][/quote]
I rarely say this, and I don't mean to say it in an offensive manner, but you are saying this in part because of the level of guild you are in. The entire nature of fights at your level are different in structure and duration. Twitch is still much more of a reasonable option, because of the gear level. And necros are viewed as having more utility because of the content.

We may still have the same value and utility at the high end and higher DPS, but it isn't recognized. Guilds are raiding with one necro and not recognizing that they need more.

Absolutely without hesitation necros would be booted from guilds for refusing to twitch, and the guild would either go without a necro at all, or wait until they had found one bred to twitch.


I don't think the agro thing will work to well. We will still be asked to twitch, before the twitchee engages a mob. Then they will cleric nuke and druid nuke the next mob, and will ask for yet more twitching. In my opinion there is little to compromise on here. Either remove the spell, or refuse to twitch...and refusal does the least harm to those who want to twitch.

This is sort of my concern. I'm not thinking they'll be nuking or anything, but I do see the distinct probability that you'll see necros asked to sit out of fights to twitch the newly rezzed. And I think the agro list thing will be buggy and hard to implement.

If refusal was an option then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I feel it has been established by now that it isn't.

[Tryal Anderror]

Originally posted by UsulDaNeriak@Dec 9 2005, 09:45 AM
nice idea i found on eqnecro....

shared timer of mw and twitch.

so no twitch possible, if mw was used for 1 minute until mw is up again. mw for combat, twitch for downtime.
now upgrade mw, that the mana given is better than the twitches you can do in 1 minute and its perfect.

nearly perfect. there are still
- old pre-oow zones. i dont care about pop and older, but GoD might be an issue for some guys. so, more mw in GoD could be the solution.
- some mobs are mw immune.

but this idea, really has potential, imho.
i am truly convinced, that we should adress mw and twitch together. as 1 issue, proposing 1 combined solution!

Usul
You can currently do 1500mana with a minute's worth of twitching, Mind wrack currently would give a single person 300.

Since on most fights it's not the whole group that actually needs it, and only more slackass or inefficient clerics, then a lot of the mana transfer is not necessary. So the guilds would still tend to make you twitch instead of mindwracking for the weak clerics unless the MW spells was tripled or quadrupled in effectiveness.

Also, given the nature of a lot of the current fights, groups are designed in ways to maximize the use of Epic 2.0s, accomodate for bards and maximize healing awareness. In a group of 6, this usually means there's no room for a Necro in the Cleric group at all...and if there is, definately a max of 1. So the other Necros would still be out of group and twitching.

There is a total underestimation of the absolute pathology of some guilds to rely on old methods that are no longer in their best interests. Also, in any top guild, anything less than 100% conformity to their structure is seen only as Dissent, regardless of if it is right or wrong. Deviation from the flightplan results in deguilding, and no one misses the DPS, because they can't tell where it came from, they just add another rogue, think its back to normal, and never realize they've just increased their healing requirements to keep him alive.

If it was left up to the Necro whether to twitch or not, things would be fine. But that is simply not the case in many high end guilds, and if they dig their heels in, there's no amount of fighting that will convince them. The only solution is its removal, or the absolute restriction of it in New content.

I also don't think they're going to upgrade MW if they refuse to upgrade twitch. Look at the fight designs...everything has an AE reducing mana regen. They want us to be going oom, its part of the fight, they're simply stuck with us using archaic methods to circumvent it.

[Doc Hollidazed]

That's exactly why we need a Stainless Steel Nec Balls AA line. The AA would help to grow a pair =)

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter+Dec 9 2005, 11:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aryse Andenter @ Dec 9 2005, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Doc Hollidazed@Dec 9 2005, 02:46 PM
I don't understand the issue. If there are people that like to use twitch, adding constraints and silly timer ties to mindwrack limit their utility. If there are people that don't like to twitch, then just don't twitch. Such simple right?
Necros should not have to leave their guild over this issue.

And it would come to that.

It almost seems to be a bigger problem with high end guilds, many of the current top guilds are stuck in their twitch rut, and do have the power to boot anyone who refuses. If all raid leaders left twitching up to the discretion of the necro and he twitched or not as he saw fit we wouldn't have this issue. Clearly this isn't the case, and its being used ineffectively and during fights - so it needs to go.




(Ask Usul sometime about his encounter with my RL and how open he was to learning about necros. :lol: ) [/b][/quote]
No raid guild I've been in (of 3) has ever used twitch much. Maybe it's because I asked before recruiting to them, or if I just wouldn't even think of joining a guild that did rely on that.

On raids, Necs are self-sufficient dps and a safety-net for when things go very very wrong(ie we rez people). There isn't another dps class that even comes close to being able to survive and maintain dps without healing and outside buffs as we do/are. Handcuffing that ability is beyong mental retardation. If they can't see that, either BECOME a raidleader...have the guild leader appoint a different raid leader, or join a different guild, almost all guilds are low on numbers..add a necro or two and that's a lot of dps and ability added to a roster.

[Lifleviya Life'Taka]

Take it away, It will help clerics run more effiecnt, let us do dps without hinderence of these spells.

I cant see how a 150 mana transfer to a cleric with 14k mana helps anything. Most of the "twitch or be booted" stuff comes from people not really knowing what necros are capable.

The genral veiw to our class is "you have better mana regen then me to twitch me", or "you have fd to flop and rezz me."

[Tryal Anderror]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Dec 9 2005, 04:48 PM
That's exactly why we need a Stainless Steel Nec Balls AA line. The AA would help to grow a pair =)
Do Me and aryse together seem like silent people to you?

you really think it's a matter of us not standing up for this sufficiently? Think.

[Doc Hollidazed]

Twitch isn't even in line with what a necromancer is all about: desparaging, evil behavior.

Mindwrack steals mana, and gives to us and others. That is in line.

Twitch is like a druid flowers and happy trees spell. It only benefits others, at OUR expense! This is a necromantic outrage. We should never have to give up parts of ourselves in benefit of others, it's not one with the ways of our dark art.

I propose that twitch involve a reverse sort of lich effect. It reduces the hp of the recipient...ah yes. Now we can cause pain with our pleasure as we are supposed to. At the very least, maybe SOE could code in a platinum pay pal AA that receives random platinum donations from the twitchee...think evil, not druidic!

[Doc Hollidazed]

Originally posted by Tryal Anderror+Dec 9 2005, 04:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tryal Anderror @ Dec 9 2005, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Doc Hollidazed@Dec 9 2005, 04:48 PM
That's exactly why we need a Stainless Steel Nec Balls AA line. The AA would help to grow a pair =)
Do Me and aryse together seem like silent people to you?

you really think it's a matter of us not standing up for this sufficiently? Think. [/b][/quote]
This wasn't directed at you and Aryse specifically, I know you both have balls...

It was more of a general comment for necs to control their own destiny.

[Aryse Andenter]

I'm controlling my destiny by asking for this to be removed. :D

If I can't get away without twitching in my guild, then there are necros in much worse situations most likely.

[Doc Hollidazed]

Well, I have come to conclude that I agree with it's removal purely from a class point of view. I don't think necros should offer beneficial spells that go against the core values of said necro. I vote removal, or pain induced twtiching.

[Doc Hollidazed]

Okay okay, I've got it. Trade twitch in for a mana regen addition to DMF. Stacks as always.

[Felicite]

OK.. remove. I buy your argument (and read how serious you are) enough to vote to remove a spell that I use all the time and have never been asked to against my will.

+1 to the "remove" column.

If we can stop talking about it.

[Doc Hollidazed]

Felicite, if you would just use the Stainless Steel Balls AA, you wouldn't have to succumb...

[Jebasiz]

estrogen > testosterone when it comes to arguing...that stainless steel balls aa is flawed.

A white crystalline steroid hormone, C19H28O2, produced primarily in the testes and responsible for the development and maintenance of male secondary sex characteristics. It is also produced synthetically for use in medical treatment.


As you can see by dictionary.com..it has no mention of making you argue better.

On the other hand: Any of several natural or synthetic substances formed by the ovary, placenta, testis, and certain plants, that stimulate the female secondary sex characteristics, exert systemic effects such as the growth and maturation of long bones, the uncanny ability to argue any point to the point where a member of the opposite sex has no course of action but to succumb and then drink alot of alcoholic beverages to forget it ever happened, and are used to treat disorders due to estrogen deficiency and to ameliorate cancers of the breast and prostate. Also called estrin.

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Dec 9 2005, 11:31 AM
Absolutely without hesitation necros would be booted from guilds for refusing to twitch, and the guild would either go without a necro at all, or wait until they had found one bred to twitch.
but if you follow this logic to its ultimate conclusion, would not that guild also boot you as soon as twitch was removed from the game?

maybe we should phrase the request like this:

Many in the necro community are not happy with twitch as it stands. Some don't mind or even appreciate the utility of twitching between fights, but very few appreciate it as the sole role to be delegated to during a boss mob fight. We ask that you either:

1 ) Devise a way so that it can not be used during a boss mob fight.

a ) One suggestion is to make a player on a mobs hate list untwitchable. The spell will not stick. There are some work-arounds to this (zoning and succor), but most are not practical during a fight.

b ) Another suggestion is to designate certain zones and/or instances directly associated with fights where twitch is currently a common tactic as "twitch-free". Like a no-levitation zone, the spell just doesn't work. Again, zoning would be a work-around, but rarely practical.

2 ) If the above is not possible, remove twitch from the game.

[Doc Hollidazed]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 9 2005, 05:34 PM
estrogen > testosterone when it comes to arguing...that stainless steel balls aa is flawed.

A white crystalline steroid hormone, C19H28O2, produced primarily in the testes and responsible for the development and maintenance of male secondary sex characteristics. It is also produced synthetically for use in medical treatment.


As you can see by dictionary.com..it has no mention of making you argue better.

On the other hand: Any of several natural or synthetic substances formed by the ovary, placenta, testis, and certain plants, that stimulate the female secondary sex characteristics, exert systemic effects such as the growth and maturation of long bones, the uncanny ability to argue any point to the point where a member of the opposite sex has no course of action but to succumb and then drink alot of alcoholic beverages to forget it ever happened, and are used to treat disorders due to estrogen deficiency and to ameliorate cancers of the breast and prostate. Also called estrin.
Solid research of the main issue Jeb. I apologize to the community for my shortsightedness on this Stainless Steel Balls AA.

Jeb is correct about estrogen; therefore I now propose the need for a Mammary Gland Enhancement AA. This would allow us to win arguments AND distract our twitchees long enough that they would forget about wanting to be twitched all together.

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed+Dec 9 2005, 12:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Doc Hollidazed @ Dec 9 2005, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Dec 9 2005, 05:34 PM
estrogen > testosterone when it comes to arguing...that stainless steel balls aa is flawed.

A white crystalline steroid hormone, C19H28O2, produced primarily in the testes and responsible for the development and maintenance of male secondary sex characteristics. It is also produced synthetically for use in medical treatment.


As you can see by dictionary.com..it has no mention of making you argue better.

On the other hand: Any of several natural or synthetic substances formed by the ovary, placenta, testis, and certain plants, that stimulate the female secondary sex characteristics, exert systemic effects such as the growth and maturation of long bones, the uncanny ability to argue any point to the point where a member of the opposite sex has no course of action but to succumb and then drink alot of alcoholic beverages to forget it ever happened, and are used to treat disorders due to estrogen deficiency and to ameliorate cancers of the breast and prostate. Also called estrin.
Solid research of the main issue Jeb. I apologize to the community for my shortsightedness on this Stainless Steel Balls AA.

Jeb is correct about estrogen; therefore I now propose the need for a Mammary Gland Enhancement AA. This would allow us to win arguments AND distract our twitchees long enough that they would forget about wanting to be twitched all together. [/b][/quote]
Now your head is on straight! Good Job!

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Rijak+Dec 9 2005, 05:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rijak @ Dec 9 2005, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Dec 9 2005, 11:31 AM
Absolutely without hesitation necros would be booted from guilds for refusing to twitch, and the guild would either go without a necro at all, or wait until they had found one bred to twitch.
but if you follow this logic to its ultimate conclusion, would not that guild also boot you as soon as twitch was removed from the game?


[/b]
No, because ultimately what you are being booted for is an attitude problem. Tryal covered it fairly well:


<!--QuoteBegin-Tryal Anderror

There is a total underestimation of the absolute pathology of some guilds to rely on old methods that are no longer in their best interests. Also, in any top guild, anything less than 100% conformity to their structure is seen only as Dissent, regardless of if it is right or wrong. Deviation from the flightplan results in deguilding, and no one misses the DPS, because they can't tell where it came from, they just add another rogue, think its back to normal, and never realize they've just increased their healing requirements to keep him alive.

If it was left up to the Necro whether to twitch or not, things would be fine. But that is simply not the case in many high end guilds, and if they dig their heels in, there's no amount of fighting that will convince them. The only solution is its removal, or the absolute restriction of it in New content.[/quote]

[Rijak]

poor RL (and GL for that matter) bothers me to no end... but that's offtopic, i get your point

so let's present the choice then... fix it "in some way" so that i can't be used in certain fights, or remove it from the game

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 9 2005, 01:34 PM
estrogen > testosterone when it comes to arguing...that stainless steel balls aa is flawed.
I cannot agree with this statement more...

[Sathras]

Originally posted by Rijak
but if you follow this logic to its ultimate conclusion, would not that guild also boot you as soon as twitch was removed from the game?Your logic is at least a bit flawed. Or you define the necro class by one of it's utility spells. ;) It would be correct if twitch was the only role a necro ever had. But I don't think anyone would argue that way.

Yet since I feel in a way responsible for this discussion let me say I don't have any problems standing up against a stupid RL. That has never been my point with this spell. But I just can't stand the endless debates that "if you had twitched, clericXY would have been able to heal for [insert tiny amount] longer and...". And you can't argue the other way round like "if I would have used that mana on a couple more dots the fight would be over sooner". It just won't register. And this comes up every second or third encounter.

Since this spell is exploitable by simply pestering the necs it will be exploited. So please put away with it or at least correct it in the way Usul had brought up again.

Oh and I don't see that the twitch line is not rooted in the necro class. After all we transfer hp and mana the way we like. Burning HP for mana, tapping it back, lifeburn it down yet again shadowbond with others and twitch. I found this spell to be a perfect fit for the class. :D

[Jebasiz]

I kinda made my peace with this being a spell in my book as, it's a means to attain more powerfull toys to kill bigger shit with later.

I don't mind filling a secondary role periodically if the end result is something new being dead.

[rarefy]

I used to be of the mind that if a necro didn't want to twitch they could just refuse. I have since decided that twitch should be removed from the game entirely after a craptacular fight I got into my guild/RL and a cleric officer. Apparently the fact that healers constantly need a mana pump from necros isn't enough.

They decided to exert more control over the necros when I stopped going into the healer channel in vent for raids. All casters are allowed to go to the caster channel, except for necros, which must remain in the healer channel so we can listen to said officer cleric scream like a crazy bitch when healers mess up the ch chain.

So me & a wizard told them absolutely no, necros are a dps class and should not be forced to sit in healer channel with the healers. I was basically told that if necros didn't sit in the healer channel that we would fuck over the raid because tanks would die due to clerics going oom because we wouldn't hear the oh-so-wonderful cleric officer call out her annoying "mana checks" every 10 minutes.

I was then told if a tank died because a cleric went oom that I would be ass the fuck out. I refused to use vent until they saw things my way. I've never seen people get so pissy over something so stupid. Honestly, if a tank dies it's a necro's fault? They were really grasping for straws. This is the type of shit necros have to put up with. The spell needs to go.

[Jebasiz]

Honestly with the gear available(easily available) for anyone in PoTime plus, even in elemental gear and slightly less, it's inexcusable that necros are relied upon to twitch to a large degree.

I've never been associated with a guild that required twitching on anything other then Xegony and TRC which WAS understandable then..it's not now. People are ~ time geared upon entering poair now.

Tell your raid and guild leaders to stop recruiting fucking trash, and get some people with some fucking skill and you might not have this problem.

Twitch(like any other UTILITY) should be limited in use and only when necessary. If you're clearing tacvi with 4 clerics..fair enough! It shouldn't happen when you have 8.

[Ecol]

I don't think it should be changed in any way. If you use it people will ask for it if you don't and someone asks for it you tell them you didn't buy that spell. (j/k) I go into a group with them knowing full well I only MW during fights unless its the healer asking for mana and maybe the puller depending. Most other people I play with are lvl 65+ and they understand that necro's do a crap-ton of DPS and dont ask for twitch except when they are down to like 1 CH left... By connecting MW and Twitch in someway would inhibit my ability to keep my group alive (in extreme circumstances). The way I see it is if the cleric needs a twitch it may delay the victory but there will still be victory. IMO this is more of a personal choice than a developer issue. You are a necro people are going to be bitchy if you tell them "no twitchy for you." Deal with it.

[Lenore]

I voted for the first option. I am a dps class and I picked a necro because I wanted to be able to solo well, group well and do kickass damage on raids. I'm not some mana bitch and people thinking their mana is more valuable than mine really pisses me off - especially when it's mid-fight, there's 23049812489302 other clerics and your gimp twink is oom, aww muffin =(

I used to twitch 2 years ago on raids when I was boxing anyway and it didn't really bother me. However, I've recently come back to EQ and remade a necro from the start. I have no intention of getting those spells ;p

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Lenore@Dec 11 2005, 03:48 AM
and your gimp twink is oom, aww muffin =(
okay, this is the line we have to use from now on when dealing with this situation!

This should be our class motto, "Aww Muffin!"


OMG is it just me or does that sum it up to hilarious perfection?

[FCseven]

Twitch was the worse thing to happen to the necro class.Get it the hell outta the spell book.

[Jebasiz]

Ultimately,

It's our choice whether or not to use it. Sometimes there's consequences to that given your situation. Just because some raid/guild leaders seem to shove their heads up their ass doesn't mean we should loose an ability.

I don't like twitching. I've asked for removal in the past. That was probably in error. The raiding community shouldn't need twitch. Casual people attempting to raid just might, (some casual's raid very well and efficiently..I know this) not everyone is all about efficiency or knows what the best and least expensive (mana-wise) to heal someone or kill something is.

I say DROP this issue. We won't get a better twitch, which was their final answer. If you don't want to "twitch" simply don't use it. If there's consequences you can't handle due to that..twitch, and shut your mouth. It's your decision on how your toon is played. Noone elses.

[Raidjin]

In typical Necromancer fashion, I have argued until I was blue in the face about twitching. Zero response. Also in typical Necromancer fashion, I shut up until I got the keys/flags/gear/epic that I desired.

However, now that I have reached my "comfort" point (this is the point where I could give a shit less what my GL/RL chooses to do about it) I am simply ignoring twitch requests. That means I don't argue about it, I don't talk about it, I don't cast it, unless I make a choice to.

XXX_XXX tells you, "Are you twitching ClericOOM_01?"

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You have gained raid experience!

[Meph]

The problem is not in twich it's in ppl who think they can't win a raid without it. It's simple ...IF YOU NEED TWICH TO WIN A FIGHT YOU NEED A BETTER STRATEGY.

Also, removing twich is not the solution to the problem.