Nec vs Ranger

[White Glove Sniper]

One of my ranger friends wants to duel me to the death. We are both the same level and he thinks he's gunna win. Normally i would just jump in....but were betting 50k. So whoever wins will get 50k from the other player. Just wanted to see what everyone thinks about if ill own him, hell own me, or it will be a close fight. Also if anyone has tried it i'd like some stratedgies please.



BTW were both lv. 70 if that helps, and were gunna fight with only 3 items a piece.

[Tryal Anderror]

Well, this is an interesting one. Depending on your gear level, if you're both 70, a Ranger of equivalent gear will beat the ever loving crap out of you.

However, what you're proposing is really neat.... if you're only wearing 3 pieces of gear then the situation is a lot different.

I will make the assumption that his pieces of gear will be 2 swords and a bow.

Your gear, if you have them, should be Epic 1.5/2.0...Dagger of Death if you have it...and if not, then your best Fire focus item.

The strategy is pretty simple, withou gear on you will be very susceptible to any of his spells and/or melee.
The Ranger will/should almost instantly either snare you or turn on his full uber archery and kill you in a couple rounds. It's certainly not unlikely at all that he could kill you in the first 2-3 seconds.

Your Job is to Land Dread Pyre, then click your epic and swarm of decay if you have them...then Harmshield #1....then wait. If he dispells Dread Pyre of something, cast Corath Venom instead. (When he's almost naked, he shouldn't be resisting either of these) If he doesn't dispell it...just cast Harmshield #2.
If you see him begin to heal, just click off the harmshield and cast another DoT then start tapping.

But this strategy should catch him by suprise enough that he won't really know what to do. He's only going to have like 3000hp or something, so 6 ticks of Dread Pyre should win, also your normal pet and epic pet should do considerable damage to a naked target.

The real trick here is to survive the first several seconds, and there's no real solution to that. But I think you've got a very valid shot to win, it's about who's more clever and how prepared he is. There's no way in hell this fight will last over a minute, so fast reactions will matter too.

Good Luck, i'd be curious to hear how it goes.

[Dranul]

It's a tilted fight, if you ask me. With only three pieces of gear, he'll have the advantage.

Of course, I'd make the argument that an arrow counts towards the three item limit.

[Sinnlei]

That ranger spell ( level 70 IIRC) think its a poison spell is a bitch. At level 70 he'll be doing alot of damage with his bow and with only 3 pieces of gear that wont leave you much defense. Over time He will die IF you get your DoTS on but he may kill you as soon as the DOTs land.

[Jebasiz]

I'd probably use epic, reg pet and SoD first, then harmshield. It's likely that he'll just trueshot or HoA at the start..which would end you quick if you're not harmshielded.

You could try and get to a point where he can't see you to shoot you with arrows...pending on where you're dueling him. A naked ranger might just die to pets..if you're maxed flurry/crit and have a decent focus(I'm not sure though). At the very least..you can not allow him to trueshot you, he'll kill you. You're dueling a friend so you know him a bit...just make an educated guess as to when he'll TS and be invincible then.

[shraklor]

does hide clear the target even if they have see invis? what about shadow step?

[Aldmare]

I do pvp often enough on a blue server so I have something to add here for starting the fight off...I think the use of invulnerability here would be a substantial advantage here, if not a critical element of the fight itself, if timed right. You'll need a way to buy some time while you’re dealing damage and due to your low hitpoints it’s a good way to compensate for his ability to dish damage quickly. If in the beginning he does indeed use TS, get a quick dot off (preferably DP) while sicking pet, swarm of decay, and clicking epic pet, and then harmshield and let those work on him while he wastes his TS trying to arrow you, or whatever he is trying to do, as soon as invuln wears off hit yourself with a shadow orb + heal potion (a good idea to have these hot keyed from your potion belt, and tap him if needed (shadow orbs pwn in pvp by the way)). My 2 cp…

[White Glove Sniper]

Someone asked for a little bit of backround info on the ranger.

Equipment chosen:
Heartwood Blade
Blessed Faydark Thunderbolt
Lamentation
Arrows(dont know which kind)
No Armor on him
Normal Tactics os mobs:
He actually doesn't put on ts he uses Scorched Earth and then roots them, then puts on ts and arrows the crap our of them. He's also been working on something called hail of arrows? i asked some friends and they said it can wipe you out easy......and they've seen whole raids wiped out in pvp...

atm I think ill put a quik dot, sick pet, shadow step and then click epic also i can use 4 pieces of equipment since after long hours of arguing,we decided that they counted as 1 item.

Also anyone know anything more specific on hail of arrows?

[Hellandra]

Question.. is his equipment choice accurate? He has to be blowing smoke up your ass. He has Heartwood and is wielding a lammy and a thunderbolt? That has to be a mistake.

Hail of Arrows? Never heard of it.. and I just triple checked my AA lists just to make sure I wasn't going insane and missed one..

In all honesty, it totally depends on the AA's of the ranger, if he has enough, he's gonna straight smoke you even at lower skill levels unless he's totally retarded. Ranger vs Necro with only 3 pieces of gear is simple. Necro picks whatever he wants and Ranger picks bow, arrow and .. ya.. that's all they need. If they are AA impaired, then you have the advantage.

Having more than enough healing aa's, I can sustain more than long enough to shoot any necro full of holes with only 3 pieces of gear.. even if they are Anguish or higher. Pet won't even be able to keep up, even running backwards, and range on most high end bows is absolutely insane. Even if you manage to land some DoT's, he will outdistance your taps, and in the end, you will be pulling arrows out of your corpse like chicken feathers.

If he has zero healing aa's, you could run him dry if you jump him early and stack all the DoT's you can on him. Problem is your manapool is in the crapper just the same as him, and your HP's are most likely not sufficient to win with only 3 pieces of gear. If you lich, you're gonna just help him to win faster. Problem is he can outdistance you and your pet in seconds.

I've gone toe to toe with SK's and Pallies with comparable AA's and won every time. With triple lifetaps, healing AA's that affect said lifetaps, and healing, not even pallies can compete with my ranger's DPS output. They burnout too quickly to keep up.

If you allow self buffs only and med to full before you fight, you give them more of an advantage. They will hunter, predator, and eagle eye. DS and AC spells seal the win.

I honestly can't think of any feasible way to beat a ranger with a necro on almost any level albeit luck. Pet is no factor, they can outrun any spellcast time with SoE, and really don't even need any offensive spells to win. They just run outside your cast range, dodge your pet, and fill you full of a million holes.

I'd try to feel your opponent out a bit more if 50k is on the line. There's really nothing I can think of stratwise to take on a range fighter with superior speed. Only class that beats my ranger is bard... period. They are just too fast and versatile to beat for obvious reasons.

I wonder why you all chose to only use 3 pieces of gear, you are just tightening the noose around your neck when a skilled ranger only needs a bow, and 1 arrow to beat almost every class in a duel.

Shamans give me hell, but only because it takes so friggin long to wear them down. They canni while I run and eat their pet over time. In the end, they can't take the beating once Rover is dead.

I'd pick a fight with a ranger beforehand and see how you fare. Would give you a point of reference as where you stand against a range class.

[White Glove Sniper]

SO basically i can't hit em with pet so he's useless.

And you said something about him runnning out of casting range. If i use an extended range item would it still make him unable to run out of range and hit me?

He told me hail of arrows was a spell not an aa

And finally i'll basically be knocked senseless, cause his class is "better" at dueling.

[White Glove Sniper]

was just checking out some sights and found something interesting i dont know if it will work though....

What if i stack dots on him and then i fear him?

[Aldmare]

Originally posted by White Glove Sniper@Jan 7 2006, 04:04 PM
What if i stack dots on him and then i fear him?
Fear was nerfed in pvp some time ago on PCs I believe, you are on a blue server right?

[Aryse Andenter]

Fear does not work on players in PvP on any server.

[Sathras]

If you manage to get him snared right from the start and move too close for the bow but far enough away so he can't touch you with melee....!? I'm just thinking here as this would require alot of luck and extraordinary good timing. But would that be a viable strategy?

[edit]Forgot something. Hail of arrows: here (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=8020&source=Live)

[Tryal Anderror]

You're basically not listening to the advice anyone is giving you. You're not going to be able to stack a bunch of DoTs on.
You're ignoring the Whole 'He will kill you in 2-3 Seconds' part.

You cannot rely on Shadowstep, if it doesn't move you very far you're dead.
And just because he doesn't use Trueshot on Mobs, doesn't mean he hasn't thought to use it against you.

Hail of Arrows is an AE Archery spell, it takes 3 seconds base to cast and will hit any target in front of it with 4 arrows.
Against a single target, he's better off Not casting this, and just firing at you normally. These shots are capped around 1250 i hear, less if you're moving of course (always be moving if not casting)

With 4 pieces of Gear on, you're going to have like 2000hp depending on your AA and gear. With self buffs, Dull Pain etc... you're maybe topiing 3000 total.
That's 2 or 3 arrow strikes.
You really do need to be Harmshielded for 95% of this fight and you seem to be ignoring that advice.

If I was you, I would try to Negotiate that the Fight Starts When you first spell HITS him. He's already got a massive advantage with this gear thing. Then you Can cast Dread Pyre and Fight starts when it hits, then you Epic and harmshield Immediately.

Also, Do not let him start far away from you, you want to start close to him so he can't arrow you right away.

PS- Do you have Infusion of the Faithful? It's the Veteran AA. It will max all your resists and Stats to full values as well as increase your run speed.
Also PS, if your opponent thinks of using this AA...You Cannot possibly win.

It depends on how smart your opponent is overall, every condition of the fight so far is designed to put you at a disadvantage....and I'm assuming based on this that your friend has a plan and you don't.
If he's actually thought of everything, you cannot win.
You can only win if he is using some faulty thinking.

[White Glove Sniper]

OK...

I don't have infusion of the faithful

I'm on Mithaniel Marr server and people just dont run around and kill each other, i'm going to /duel him, so will fear still work? or is it all pc vs. pc on any server that you can't use fear on them?

And if he has the upper hand and he knows it then he'll probably lemme staart the fight.

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter@Jan 7 2006, 09:09 PM
Fear does not work on players in PvP on any server.
Nothing has changed since i posted that earlier today. NO... fear DOES NOT work in any form of PvP (duels are a form of PvP) on any player on any server.


Edit: that came out slightly snootier than I meant. Just because it appears to be confusing you..

PvP = player vs player. This applies to any time you will be casting/fighting with intent to damage another player. A duel is therefor a form of PvP, although it is a controled form.

Blue server = all servers that do not have Zek in the name. The term blue server also occasionally excludes FV, legends, etc. Any server with absolutely standard server rules fits into the 'blue server' category however.

[Tryal Anderror]

Fear does not work on PCs at all. Your Lifetap DoTs also will not work

If you don't have Infusion of the faithful, then you should also say No potions and No Veteran AA allowed.

Definately push to be the one starting the fight.

[Hellandra]

OK Hail of Arrows, understand why I didn't see it.. it's the DoD spell. To be honest, if he actually consumes mana for a spell that fires arrows in a 3 piece of gear duel.. then he is truly retarded. The spell only has a 100 PBoE range and costs 350 mana, so if indeed he tried to use it, hell, you might even win.

Your pet may not be entirely worthless, but is not by any means effective for more than a minor irritation and a possible interrupt when he goes to the heal if that is required.

Previous poster is correct, you have literally no way to win unless this ranger rides the short bus to the duel and uses safety arrows with corks on the tip. As far as the range on bows are concerned, I looked up the range on a thunderbolt, and it is 250 vs my 220 on the Time bow. The attk/dly is 30/38, so it's dmg output isn't that great, but more than enough to suffice. I keep an EP air and water bow for UZI effects for speed, they parse pretty well overall. Some quick math in my head still brings me to believe that the thuderbolt is a huge hunk of crap vs. easily obtainable upgrades, but that's splitting hairs in this situation. I pretty much figure he could use any stick and a piece of kite string to beat a caster in a ranged fight.

Keep in mind that range is a combination of arrow and bow, so if you don't know what arrow he's using, then that is also a factor, but not a "lose or win" one.

Would just suggest you drop the bet by 3 zeros and make it 50pp :P . Duel him for fun just to see what happens, but I think you already know what's gonna occur.

I duel'ed myself just to test the range after my initial post to see how dramatic the difference is.. and with the Zek bow from Time.. it was ridiculous how far I could hit my necro well beyond her casting range. That was tested standing still, so rest assured, no matter how crappy the damage output on the thunderbolt is, it still hits hard enough to light you up.

[Morghanna]

Originally posted by White Glove Sniper@Jan 7 2006, 07:59 PM
And you said something about him runnning out of casting range. If i use an extended range item would it still make him unable to run out of range and hit me?
I don't do a lot of pvp myself, however I do know, at least with my 55 necro and 52 ranger, that the Blessed Faydark Thunderbolt definately has a further range than casting, even with extended range on. Personally I think your Ranger friend is either joking with you about the gear he would be using or else he's lowering his gear to try to be more fair with your disadvantage.

Now I did duel a 40 Ranger when my Necro was about 42. Did it twice. The first time he was distracted by my pet (dumb) and was dead before he could even head towards me. The second time he ignored my pet and forced me to melee (he was out of arrows lol) and I still won by dotting then tap tanking him. So it is possible to beat a Ranger. IF they're not prepared. Just remember, odds are he WILL root you and get whatever position he wants as well. It's what I'd do. ;)

[White Glove Sniper]

Ya but wouldn't a lv 40 fight be way different from a lv. 70 fight cause you have/ should have a bountiful amount of aa's

[Tryal Anderror]

Yes, and His AA will matter a lot, and yours won't hardly at all.

He will should Root you, that would be a waste of time. I can't imagine he'll cast any spells at all. He can fire the bow while moving, why would he root you?

[Hellandra]

He won't root.

He won't run out of arrows.. he only needs one.

If he has the 68 snare from DoN progression, he might drop that on the pet for sheets and giggles.

He will SoE, and run and gun you to death.

Could try to annul him, and hope you get his SoE, but doubt he will ever be in casting range aside from the initial faceoff.

[controller]

just a question what about lifeburn or has that gone the way of fear also for pvp.

[Dranul]

I believe since LB has a tap over time component, you can't use it when dueling on blue servers.

[Aryse Andenter]

On blue servers necros cannot use any spell with a recourse in PvP. This means you can't use Lifeburn, Tap dots, Call for Blood, MW... all of these spells can be used on Zek, but only on Zek. I recommend feedbacking regularly that this should be unblocked on all servers :D

[Felicite]

Of course casting Lifeburn is so slow (that even if it worked) the odds of casting it once the fight starts would be even less than surviving long enough to cast any spell.

Remember Swarm of Decay is instant. Maybe it will suprise him so much he will piss his pants and forget that he has you targetted and all he has to do run and press attack to win in a few seconds.

[Xislaben]

They had a caster only duel on maelin last night (doesn't that in and of itself imply there's a problem with pvp balancing?) and a necro tied for 1st with somebody else. I kinda wonder what he did, since very few spells ever land even on decently geared god raiders.

[Smighter]

If he plans to root you and run away, why not root him too closer then bow range? then you could pet and LT tank him. You could also root him dot him and harm shield then while he is meleeing you while your pet and dot kills him. His bow is what is going to kill you so take that away from him. If you are to close then his bow won't work. Just a thought?

[Zanbus]

If the Ranger has his Swiftwind/Heartblade (1.0/1.5 combo) then you might have more problems. Swiftwind has a worn 40% haste on it and the heartblade has a sizable damage that is dealt with it. That and DS's might not help your pet or you too much. AFAIK the taps only work for about half damage in a duel (my experience anyway). so I am not certain just how much you would actually be able to get back on health.

[Aryse Andenter]

You can't do over 40% of an opponent's health in a single shot in PvP. On Zek, Lifeburn is capped at 40% too. On a naked player your taps may hit this max 40%... anyways, it is true, all spells do less damage in PvP - I believe it is a 66% reduction in damage from normal in PvE, completely apart from the 40% of a person's hp cap.

[Zanbus]

Thanks Aryse for the clarification on that. I am a bluebie, so I was not sure how much reduction it was. I knew that on NPCs I can tap for around 600 and when in a /duel it was anywhere from 30 to 250 or so. So, IMO tapping (at least at my level) would not be a viable option for pvp. That being said, DoTs drop most HPs real quick. :D

While waiting on a group in LS the other day a guildie (pally) challenged me to a duel (DB con, think he was 55). I was able to land 4 DoTs on him, threw pet in, shadow stepped and watched his HPs drop to about 15% while he was fighting pet. I was actually worried that he might die, but the DoTs wore off quickly enough. It was a beautiful sight, at least to me.

[Xislaben]

I dueled another necro for shits and giggles, and the only spell I could get to land was pyro. Of course we both had resists in the 400+ range so it was really a matter of petting, and saving pets, and trying to somehow prevent the other from getting a pet up. Stalemate.

[Azrioth]

so it was really a matter of petting,

:blink:

[Zanbus]

Originally posted by Azrioth@Jan 12 2006, 05:24 AM
so it was really a matter of petting,

:blink:
Sometimes it is better not to ask

[White Glove Sniper]

Went on a raid yesterday and our ranger was having trouble hitting the mobs that were on the wall and running around? So i might be able to start on a wall and try to pet tank him, but my pet will probably die extremely quik.

[Tryal Anderror]

Are you listening to anyone at all or are we talking to ourselves?

My first post was right, 100% Everything you've suggested or asked since then has made no sense or suggested terrible courses of action.

If you don't want to listen to the only possible strategy of success, you're going to lose.
You seem to just not be listening at all.

His Strategy unless he is the dumbest Ranger on the planet will be to Hit Trueshot and kill you with his bow INSTANTLY.

Your only chance is to Land a big DoT then use instant or near instant abilities like Swarm of Decay and Epic and then Harmshield. That's it.
You try to root him and you're dead, try to snare him, you're dead, try to shadowstep, you're dead, try to safely run along the walls? You're both stupid and dead.

People have given you the answer, and it still has a large chance of failure, but it is the only answer that has any chance.

[Sinnlei]

Unless this guys sucks at playing a ranger, he will own you. I suggest betting for a much lower amount and doinng it for fun or else you are going to lose 50k. AS said earlier you are at a serious disadvantage and you will be dead in less than 5-8 seconds unless he just sucks. What has already been suggested is your only options. There is nothing else you can do other than whats already been laid out here. Thats just the plain honest truth.

[Jebasiz]

Heh, I tap tanked a 1.5'd and demerix'd wielding ranger a year ago. Of course he had just TS'd a bard..so I knew that wasn't coming..that and I had all my gear on. Oddly enough, a wand of temporal power proc killed him...

[Aldmare]

Originally posted by Xislaben@Jan 12 2006, 01:09 AM
I dueled another necro for shits and giggles, and the only spell I could get to land was pyro. Of course we both had resists in the 400+ range so it was really a matter of petting, and saving pets, and trying to somehow prevent the other from getting a pet up. Stalemate.
Dark Hold works well against nec pets, and holds them at bay long enough for them to be almost non-factor, and is a fairly quick cast. Pyro+splurt works well for long duels, they're reliable (as our dots get :rolleyes: ) and ensures the opponent is always losing hp at all times. Okay /derail off... back to giving this guy advice that will fly in one ear and out the other <_<

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Aldmare+Jan 13 2006, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aldmare @ Jan 13 2006, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Xislaben@Jan 12 2006, 01:09 AM
I dueled another necro for shits and giggles, and the only spell I could get to land was pyro. Of course we both had resists in the 400+ range so it was really a matter of petting, and saving pets, and trying to somehow prevent the other from getting a pet up. Stalemate.
Dark Hold works well against nec pets, and holds them at bay long enough for them to be almost non-factor, and is a fairly quick cast. Pyro+splurt works well for long duels, they're reliable (as our dots get :rolleyes: ) and ensures the opponent is always losing hp at all times. Okay /derail off... back to giving this guy advice that will fly in one ear and out the other <_< [/b][/quote]
No cause while he cant hit me with anything other than pyro/splurt he can lifetap my pet, or heb's, or other mobs that may be around. It'd come down to who runs out of mana first, and that's booring. Unless we used mobs actively against each other, which would be more pvp than blue server duel which was what we intended.

[Aldmare]

Yes particularly against 'top-end' necros, low dmg dots are rather pointless with all the different ways a nec can gain hp back. But atleast disabling his own pet gets rid of that problem in the meantime if they're not expecting it, most wouldn't, it's a big enough stall. Thats all I am saying...this is just what has really worked for me in my experiences.

[Tryal Anderror]

actually if you're dueling a top end necro, low damage dots are the way to go. Nothing else is going to land, so it comes down to totally draining each other's mana doing little bits of damage.

Necro vs. Necro is a marathon fight. I would never try to mez someone else's pet, since they can just strip it off anyway, and you've got to keep doing it. You're generally better to kill it and force them to make a new one.

[White Glove Sniper]

I lost.

He had fought an sk previously so he had no true shot. after the battle i found out that he had almost no aa's. So anyways i started off in his nuetral range and then sicked pet on him as i toseed on dead pyre, clicked epic, and then hs. he tryed a couple times and then succesfully dispelled dead pyre. so i put on venom. meanwhile he had rooted my pet and shot him down real quik.
(guess he goes under the classificatino of dumb ranger since he didn't go for me) After he healed, i was pretty sure he was oom cause he didn't rooot or snare me. He just backed off and shot at me. I did the "stupid" run on wall thing as my dot hit, and his first 3 arrows missed. After that, all the other arrowws hit and i died. Anyways when i came back to get my body, i sat and watched as he duelled a bard, which owned him big time.

[Azrioth]

You were incredibly lucky and still got pwned -reason? Ranger > Necros at dueling, and your "rules" were screwed up. This has all been mentioned before.

Never be a betting man unless you *really* really really *really* honestly know what you're doing (and even then, don't - how many movies have we seen where it makes sense that you should win and then you get screwed)...

... but hey it's just a game.

[GravesendVS]

Anyone cosider that he might not be able to see invis with only 3 items? Or am I behind the times and there is a see invis aa?

IF thats true and you can insta invis you could win if going invis untargets you like it did in the old days.

[Mystiqat]

Originally posted by GravesendVS@Jan 21 2006, 06:44 AM
Anyone cosider that he might not be able to see invis with only 3 items? Or am I behind the times and there is a see invis aa?

IF thats true and you can insta invis you could win if going invis untargets you like it did in the old days.
This fight already occurred, but to answer your question, YES, there is a see invis AA (Innate See Invis), it came out with DoD, cost 9 pts.

[Dranul]

I wouldn't assume anyone has that AA unless they're near max.

Doesn't matter though, I'm sure that you would have targetted the necro before the duel started, so even if you Cloak of Shadows yourself, I'm fairly certain that the target window still has you locked if you were targetted before hand.

[Zanbus]

at lvl 65 Rangers get a couple of spells called Mask of the Stalker and Spirit of Eagle.

Mask of the Stalker has a see invis component as does SoE. Also, Eagle Eye spell is a self buff that increases archery and also has a see invis component.

Who needs an AA for it?

With just those 3 buffs, even if you are debuffed (cancel magic or whatnot) there is still at least a 30% chance you will have one see invis buff still on.

BTW, on some raid mobs, my ranger main using trueshot disc and a stonewood bow with drakespine arrows has critted for over 2k (average of about 1000 damage). Not too many casters will survive long with that.

[Jebasiz]

s/he said no trueshot.

The mistake was harmshielding and letting him heal and strip buffs. You should of been tapping or adding a 3rd dot instead. If he stopped healing to hit you with arrows, well harmshield is the only way to go(but as soon as he stops..click that shit off and go back on the offensive).

Even then it's like 60/40 he's gonna win the way the rules are set up..with pvp mitigation.

[Madrie]

The ranger just might be stupid enough to lose, given how you described the battle.

Any ranger that would knowingly go into a duel without all of their weapons at their disposal (especially the most useful one against a necro), is putting themselves at a disadvantage. That's not the smartest way to win a fight. My main is a 75 ranger, and if I knew that I had a duel coming up with 50k on the line, there's not a chance in he** that I'd burn trueshot before the duel.

Unfortunately, you didn't exploit the fact that you seem to have known that he didn't have trueshot available.

[Sarnath Creed]

Be aware that rangers are cockey. I duel'd a lvl 70 ranger a year ago with my lvl 60 warrior and won because he wanted to melee me. I /bando'd my weighted axe and hit the riposit disc, 8 seconds later he was dead and didnt know wtf was going on.

Follow the 2nd post to the letter and you'll win.

[biggrol]

Trying to be a little more helpful then some:)

That was a very interesting scenario. With the lack of equipment its brings all of our damage spells into play. Unlike when people are equiped and none of our spells land:(

The biggest factor after equipment was decided was were the battle was to take place IMHO. You have to take away there greatest asset and thats the ranger bow. Just like fighting a bard, you can't do it in open zone. Maybe ina very tree filled zone you can hide but even then it will only work if they retarget to your pet. You need to fight indoor, get close and keep there bow advantage tio a minimum. Even if they snare or root you if your indoors you can still keep them in range for your spells. If they don't snare/root you you get in to close for the bow and make them mellee. That way you can tap tank them and hopefully get pet or epic pets to help your out.

Fight them in the arena in Freeport. Its a very small oval. Other arena are much larger and he maybe able to get outside your spell casting range. If not an arena then a place like lower guk. Get close and make it less than a minute fight otherwise a longer fight will kill you everytime.

[xirtket]

rangers beating the crap out of us?

hardly, theres ways of avoiding there lame TS and ranged attacks.

while they are a very worthy adversary, they also cant beat crap out of us if you play your cards right.

but of course im going by my personal experiences in the arena on my server (blue here)

theres a sweet spot for fighting a ranger, not to close but not to far, it can be hard to stay within this range, but it is doable.

but if you fight in tight quarters, then yes its going to hurt lol.

but in all honesty i can say the only classes i dont like to duel are bards, zerkers and rangers.

monks, bsts,mages,wizzys,chanters,shaman,dr00d,cleric etc are all way to predictable. especially monks. ss> R8