AA path, archtype aa's...

[Sarnath Creed]

Okay,

In my little AA adventure, I have claimed:

Innate Stamina 1. (don't ask, first AA...seemed like a good idea at the time.)
Run 3
Regen 3
Mnemonic Retention
Spell Casting Mastery 1 & 2

Now. I am not sure where to turn. Do I get SCM 3, at a cost of 6 AA's? Or do I pursue other options that may prove more valuable?

I am a big fan of finishing lines that I start, so the perfectionist in me is screaming to get SCM3, but the other parts of me are saying that a combination of other AA's in the category will prove more useful at this time.

I just hit 60, and I am 30% through, but I want to get some more AA's under my belt, because I REALLY want to get Pet Discipline.

The things that are popping into my head are these:


SCF 1 - 2% chance to crit doesn't seem all that appealing, but 2% is still 2%, and you never know when that little lifetap crit for 33% more health will come in handy.

SCS 1 - Do I really want to get less aggro? At this time, aggro kiting seems to be doing me rather well, Once I get my new video card, I will actually be able to go to more dangerous zones, and I want to actually try the murks that everyone seems to say 'rock'. So less aggro doesn't seem like it would help.

ND 1 (2?) - Now this is something that would serve me better than some of the others, 2% doesn't seem like it would be all THAT much, so I would probably go with level 1, and 2. 5% of my current HPs would break down to almost 200 extra, and not to mention all the extra HPs I will get as I level up.

CS 1 - 2% chance to have mobs smack the crap outta me for less damage. This would help. But is it something that would perform better for me than CA1? That I cannot say, That is also the reason I am proposing this information to my Necro peers, because you guys have been at this point. And you know about this stuff better than I do on most levels.

CA 1 - 2% chance to have mobs not hit me at all? Now this seems like it would be a better choice. I like mobs missing me. It makes me laugh, and doesn't make me die.

Now, I need 6 AA's go get into the class section. getting those AA's will not really be that hard. But I don't know how to spread them out. Do I go with a combination of different areas so I can get even a 2% chance to be a better necro? or do I go with SCF 3, and get a 15% chance improvement over what I already have and miss out on other items?

The things I am thinking at this time are SCF1, CA1, and ND1. or ND1, and ND2. Both of those would give me the 6 AA's that I need to get into the class section.

What do you guys think? What would you do if you were in my shoes? Level 60, with 16 AA's, and 99% to your 17th AA.

[Felicite]

Now. I am not sure where to turn. Do I get SCM 3, at a cost of 6 AA's? Or do I pursue other options that may prove more valuable?

SCM1+2 buys you 10% mana savings on your primary spec

SCM3 buys you 11% more.

Really, not sure what 6 AAs you will spend in the first 1000 will give you "more value".

You will need all those other lines, too, but SCM3 is still the best Caster AA. You may not think about it, but 21% mana pres on the DoTs you use most, is not minor.

Edit: Still too lazy to search, but those numbers might be 11% and 12% for a total of 23%.. which is *more* mana pres, and still proves my point.

[Zanbus]

SCM3 is what I am currently working torwards. I have 13 AAs atm and working on getting my 4th banked one for SCM2. Once I have that done, work torwards CA/CS stuff then on to class stuff.

Also lvl 57 atm.

[UsulDaNeriak]

your 1st idea was correct. finish scm3 and then look for the rest.
felicite explained why.

Usul

[Necro_Bone]

I'd get SCM, then utility AAs next to make your life easier (Death Peace, Innate Invis to Undead, Call to Corpse). CtC comes in really handy to get your corpse back at zone-in without having to grab a coffin out of the bank. ItU is invaluable in moving through undead on the run in several zones, including letting you easily farm nameds in Veksar for pp. Then get AAs to avoid getting hit and the Theft of Life line.

[Sarnath Creed]

This is why i love this board. You guys know what your talking about :)

Leveling isnt all that hard, its the aa path that is catching me off guard. I want to be able to make the best of my time spent, and i guess that that much more mana pres really makes sense :lol:

[Sinnlei]

Definately max SCM3 first. The defensives are really good also. I have the 1st and 2nd set of defensives maxed on my SK ( not comparing the 2 classes just AAs) and you will definately get hit less and take less damage the times you do get hit. Death Peace, Innate Invis to Undead and Call to Corpse are also handy. IMO I'd get the CA and CS maxed after SCM. Then work utilities. You'll see a big difference in the damage you take after getting the 3rd rank in each defensive.
I recomend defensives after SCM because they make a big difference in how many hits you'll be taking before you die. The more hits you can take the more time you have to FD etc. I get missed by mobs alot especially after I got the 2nd defensive Lightning Reflexes maxed. Its a personal decision but they make a big difference.

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Jan 13 2006, 01:40 PM
If you're good at avoiding being hit, and want to be efficient, I would get mana preservation, flowing thought, and critical damage AAs. You will be able to kill more of the same mobs this way in the same period of time, thus making AAs come faster. The difference won't really be noticeable with just one AA line like critcal affliction, but the summation of those ft, damage, and preservation AAs will make a difference. Pet hold can be efficient too, if you lose pets alot due to them agroing a mob and having to fd. If you lose alot of pets, maybe look into pet hold and pet feign as well, though I would still invest the crit dot ones first.
Good rule of thumb for AA's (IMO) Get those aa's that will make getting more faster/fastest. If you hope to ever gain all the aa's that are "reasonably pertinent" you're looking at around 600-700, then there's a drop off in effectiveness/usefullness.

It's a long road, try to make it shorter whenever possible :P

[Sarnath Creed]

If you're good at avoiding being hit, and want to be efficient, I would get mana preservation, flowing thought, and critical damage AAs. You will be able to kill more of the same mobs this way in the same period of time, thus making AAs come faster. The difference won't really be noticeable with just one AA line like critcal affliction, but the summation of those ft, damage, and preservation AAs will make a difference. Pet hold can be efficient too, if you lose pets alot due to them agroing a mob and having to fd. If you lose alot of pets, maybe look into pet hold and pet feign as well, though I would still invest the crit dot ones first.


Well, I am only level 60 at the moment, and I need 5 more AA's before i can even unlock the class aa area. So Critical Affliction isnt even on the menu as a "soon to be served" item. Nor will it be for probably 2-3 months. I have noticed that a lot of people tell me how invaluable /pet hold is. and I think that it would be to my advantage to get my hands on that.

Even most of the POP, and other expansion AA's require at least level 61 to get, so the only ones i am looking for at the moment are the archetype aa's, or something that can be obtained at my present level.

Most of the guys who post here are pretty decked out, wondering where to go after their 900th aa. I am just looking where to go after getting my 17th.

:)

[Zanbus]

Originally posted by Sarnath Creed@Jan 15 2006, 12:33 AM
Most of the guys who post here are pretty decked out, wondering where to go after their 900th aa. I am just looking where to go after getting my 17th.

:)
Ummm....yeah!

well, I am not sure when I will be seeing 60, much less playing much in the upper planar tiers. Only have my Hedge walk atm. My AA guidance has also come from most of these UBER Necs who post here. Lol


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[nethyia]

For most AAs, and especially the archtypes, don't piddle around buy level 1 this and level 1 that. For most of them, get all 3 levels of it in a row. ND, SCM, SCF, CA, CS all see very good returns by getting all 3 levels, as opposed to barely seeing a difference usually at first level. Ya, the higher levels cost more, but you can really see the difference.

[Sarnath Creed]

Thats what i thought, 2% doesnt really seem like all that much... lol :)

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Sarnath Creed@Jan 14 2006, 07:33 PM
If you're good at avoiding being hit, and want to be efficient, I would get mana preservation, flowing thought, and critical damage AAs. You will be able to kill more of the same mobs this way in the same period of time, thus making AAs come faster. The difference won't really be noticeable with just one AA line like critcal affliction, but the summation of those ft, damage, and preservation AAs will make a difference. Pet hold can be efficient too, if you lose pets alot due to them agroing a mob and having to fd. If you lose alot of pets, maybe look into pet hold and pet feign as well, though I would still invest the crit dot ones first.


Well, I am only level 60 at the moment, and I need 5 more AA's before i can even unlock the class aa area. So Critical Affliction isnt even on the menu as a "soon to be served" item. Nor will it be for probably 2-3 months. I have noticed that a lot of people tell me how invaluable /pet hold is. and I think that it would be to my advantage to get my hands on that.

Even most of the POP, and other expansion AA's require at least level 61 to get, so the only ones i am looking for at the moment are the archetype aa's, or something that can be obtained at my present level.

Most of the guys who post here are pretty decked out, wondering where to go after their 900th aa. I am just looking where to go after getting my 17th.

:)
Honestly..getting pet hold as EoT being your best pet would make me sad. Don't even waste your time with pet AA's until you atleast have LoZ at 61(like 50pp in baz).

On that note: I'd strongly advise you to get level 62 before acruing anymore AA's. Goto HoH and kite them..it'll be faster in the long run, well maybe even NC is possible then, and would be even better.

[Rijak]

go 100% xp to L63 for embracing darkness (if you can't afford, do HoH basements starting at L62 for spectrals)

get SCM3

get pet discipline

then it's you choice... but you must do that first :P

[Sarnath Creed]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Jan 16 2006, 11:33 AM
Don't even waste your time with pet AA's until you atleast have LoZ at 61(like 50pp in baz).
lol, Legacy of Zek on Quellious is like 7k =P

Being that i would need 11 AA's before i can get pet disc, i KNOW i will be at least 61, if not 62/63 by that time...

I usually put some percentage to aa, and then when i get to 70%, burn through the rest and go back to my norm.

Quellious pricing is kinda fekked. One night i see Funeral Pyre for 15k, then i see it for 30k. Legacy of Zek for 300pp 4 months ago, and now sitting at 5-10k on 4-5 traders...its insane.

I had purchased most of my lvl 60 spells, including LoZ, and Arch Lich, but accidentally *misplaced* them... along with like 3 or 4 more spells 61+, i had them in the vault...then they were gone...boggles the mind...

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