New spectre model inc with PoR

[Jartaxel]

With the upcomming revamp of Desert of Ro, a new spectre model is inc with it.

Thus far only a drawn scetch is to be seen :

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/images/content_images/FF-01-19/spectre.jpg

Lets hope the new model goes into global file and replaces our existing model..

[Dranul]

So what, brown and red instead of just plain black? BIG change there.

[Jartaxel]

Well , the new model prolly wont have a scythe permanently attatched to its hands, that alone is good enough for me. Not being able to see what weapons you have given your pet annoys me.. Oh the constant moaning will prolly be gone too! 1 can HOPE..

[Maeryn]

I actually like that sketch much better than the one we have--if it does, in fact, even resemble that in the final product. It looks much less cartoon-ish. Between the ten foot long scythe that's constantly getting wiggled around and that obnoxious wind tunnel sound effect... makes me long for mage pets : )

[Jebasiz]

I think most changes go global? I dunno, it seems stupid to me to have us keep the old spectre with us asking for a new one for ages.

Then again...it shouldn't shock me. I guess expect nothing, and be happy if they throw us a scooby snack we didn't wait for...

[Dranul]

Goblins went global, spiders went global. Even the models in PoI got a random upgrade a while ago. It would be a real slap in the face for a new spectre not to be global.

[Fayed]

anyone able to verify this?

[Aryse Andenter]

The NDA still applies to people in beta. I can't recall seeing a dev reference either, you'd think if they were finally giving us a new pet model they'd be advertising that.

[Meph]

Old models aren't given new models straight as a new expsnsion comes out, they change them after some time. For instance old werewolf models still haven't been changed to new DoD one.

[Jartaxel]

Originally posted by Meph@Jan 23 2006, 08:23 AM
Old models aren't given new models straight as a new expsnsion comes out, they change them after some time. For instance old werewolf models still haven't been changed to new DoD one.
You miss the point. Desert of ro is getting revamped, that is South ro, Oasis and North ro. In oasis there is the spectre island. And thats where the new spectre model comes in. We have been beggin for a new model of our spectre pet for years.
If they choose NOT to upgrade our pet model with the new spectre model, it's because they don't want to, not because they can't.

[Meph]

I never said they don't change old models with new ones as they come out with exps because they can't they just don't choose to straight away. They need flashy new models in promoted expansion zones first. ;)

[Xislaben]

Guys, the problem with the model for most people is not what it looks like so much, but rather some of the other annoying affects. For instance there is the sound which is annoying, and the fact that it will not display equiped weapons. Changing what it looks like without addressing either of those is pretty pointless. While graphics updates are nice and all I'd like to have a change to the functionality.

[Rijak]

i've always played the game with sound off, so not too concerned there... equipped weapons being visible is kinda cool, but certainly not a necessity... i hope they don't consider this as something we asked for in any big way (if it even effects our pets)

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Rijak@Jan 23 2006, 10:17 AM
i've always played the game with sound off, so not too concerned there... equipped weapons being visible is kinda cool, but certainly not a necessity... i hope they don't consider this as something we asked for in any big way (if it even effects our pets)
Equiped weapons is nice for verification.. does my suspended pet from a week ago have weapons? Obviously a few pulls will tell me from the procs or absence of them.

Sound off.. that's crazy talk?!? How can you hear the roamers sneaking up behind you?

[sauruman]

The nda applies to people in beta. Hell its against the NDA to even say your in beta. So sit tight basically heh =/

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Felicite+Jan 23 2006, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Felicite @ Jan 23 2006, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Rijak@Jan 23 2006, 10:17 AM
i've always played the game with sound off, so not too concerned there... equipped weapons being visible is kinda cool, but certainly not a necessity... i hope they don't consider this as something we asked for in any big way (if it even effects our pets)
Equiped weapons is nice for verification.. does my suspended pet from a week ago have weapons? Obviously a few pulls will tell me from the procs or absence of them.[/b]
true, i don't have suspend minion, but i can see the advantage

<!--QuoteBegin-Felicite@Jan 23 2006, 12:48 PM
Sound off.. that's crazy talk?!? How can you hear the roamers sneaking up behind you[/quote]

i won't argue the crazy part :P

but i've never played eq with sound on... i prefer music

as far as roamers go... i'm pretty good at keeping an eye out... ever since the old fear kiting days i've always scouted out paths and spawns when i get to a new zone... they all follow a pattern... i also have a /time hotkey that i use to time repops in most solo spots to the minute... and in the rare cases where it is necessary, i'll set up some choice camera angles to cycle through for a visual check in different directions (mostly newer zones with fast moving mobs)

i get killed by mobs i'm kiting from time to time when they catch up with me one way or another, but i can't think of the last time some unexpected roamer got me

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Felicite@Jan 23 2006, 05:48 PM
Sound off.. that's crazy talk?!? How can you hear the roamers sneaking up behind you?
I've had the sound off almost since I started playing, and certainly since I got my first spec pet.

Roamers dont sneak up behind me, one must be aware of one's enviroment :)

There is a single mob in 69.1 though that like wanders across the entire zone, takes him like 10min to circle back around to the entrance, whihc can make for a fun kite if you're not payingt attention to where he is.

[Dranul]

Is the sound the pets make really that annoying? Maybe it's just my gimp hardware, but I only hear the sound when I'm standing right on top of him. Most of the time, I hear complaints from other players since the pet will run back to about five yards away from you and end up right on top of someone else.

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Is the sound the pets make really that annoying?I haven't played with sound since the day I created Gnek. I will admit after my last extended break I had the sound turned on until I started my first kite, then I remembered why I had the sound turned off.

Before Gnek, I used to play with sound on most of the time - longer play periods and I would shut it off just do to the repetiveness.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Dranul@Jan 23 2006, 08:15 PM
Most of the time, I hear complaints from other players since the pet will run back to about five yards away from you and end up right on top of someone else.
Yes, find somebody afk in the guild hall and set the pet to guard them :)

[Menelar]

Am I the only one that likes our current pets? I do have a Mage myself, but sheesh, that's one of the big reasons why I play a necro and want to have a high level one for myself, is the current spectre pet. I absolutely love the way they look, have looked forever now and I also love how they swing their scythe.

Please if they do change it, give us the option for new and old model! Don't know what i'll do if they change and mess it up(example: look at the way FV or whatever that girl looks like on the patcher!). There are a lot of models out there I don't particulary care for.

I still wish I could use Spectre form and a mount. Skellies are so boring.

Oh, I never have the sound on either, gets annoying/repetitive. I prefer my own music.

[UsulDaNeriak]

no more spectre look
no more noise
show the weapons

every model, which fullfils these 3 criteria is ok for me.
even a cute bunny performing flying kicks :blink:

Usul

[Rijak]

Originally posted by Menelar@Jan 30 2006, 04:02 AM
Am I the only one that likes our current pets?
i think you may be :P

hopefully the new one will be cool too... from looking at the picture it seems they are gonna stick with the perma-scythe at least

[Jebasiz]

even a cute bunny performing flying kicks

Undead cute bunnies with laa-zer beams please. /evil laugh To hell with PETA!(people eating tasting animals..for those that don't know).

[Kiiadi]

personaly, I don't want to see the weapons i give to the pet, a scythe (not particularly the current one) looks better than any mage toy or other pet weapon. I don't like the look of them in the first place.

I have always longed for a Dark and Evil theme for the graphics in game... a thought I've had for a while is to make the pet graphic look like the Tribunal (pojustice)

If the new pet looked exactly like that pic that'd be pretty sweet. At least it looks a little menicing. You would figure a necro pet would look like something that could be from your nightmares (or give you nightmares)

guess that just goes back to what I said... would like to see some very dark and evil themes to the graphics, not Disney evil, something you find in say resident evil, and I would just like the pet graphic to follow suit(sp?)

anyway main points I would like changed are the twirling tail, the stupid face, and the half-assed drawn scythe, I don't play with sound on but I have before and yes the pet noise is very very annoying, why does it have to have a sound in the first place.

ok Im done bitching

[nethyia]

Yeah, make it evil looking cute pink skeletal bunny! With razor bunny ears.

And suddenly, old visuals of Death of Rats from Discworld flood my mind's eye.

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Jartaxel@Jan 20 2006, 07:44 AM
With the upcomming revamp of Desert of Ro, a new spectre model is inc with it.

Thus far only a drawn scetch is to be seen :

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/images/content_images/FF-01-19/spectre.jpg

Lets hope the new model goes into global file and replaces our existing model..
Looks like he has a giant brown penis

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by FCseven+Jan 31 2006, 04:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FCseven @ Jan 31 2006, 04:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jartaxel@Jan 20 2006, 07:44 AM
With the upcomming revamp of Desert of Ro, a new spectre model is inc with it.

Thus far only a drawn scetch is to be seen :

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/images/content_images/FF-01-19/spectre.jpg

Lets hope the new model goes into global file and replaces our existing model..
Looks like he has a giant brown penis [/b][/quote]
Atleast he'll finally get some respect.

We've had "Goner" for ages..maybe SoE is gonna name him Boner?

[Jartaxel]

Word from Rashere (lead designer) is that this model isn't a part of the new expansion, but somthing they are working on on the side. If all goes well , it will go into the global file in a few months.

[Jebasiz]

They listed it with the rest of the art on the link from Aryse. I was expecting it to go in with the expansion.

[Jartaxel]

I would rather have them work a bit longer on somthing we have been waiting for, than push some half finished compromise to live server to please us.

[Aryse Andenter]

It still looks as though it isn't going in with the expansion, but sometime in the next few months.

[Aphrexian]

If our pet model changes, would that also mean that our lich model changes? /ponder

[Maeryn]

new pet, Death Rune (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=8523&source=Test)?

[Jartaxel]

Originally posted by Maeryn@Feb 9 2006, 03:14 PM
new pet, Death Rune (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=8523&source=Test)?
Without breaking the EULA, only thing I can say is , no.

[Jartaxel]

Originally posted by Aphrexian@Feb 9 2006, 02:28 PM
If our pet model changes, would that also mean that our lich model changes? /ponder
If you mean our spectre lich model, it is safe to assume, since our spectre pet model is going to be updated, so will that lich model, as they are the same.

If you mean the skellie lich model, a reply would break the EULA, so... ;-)

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Jartaxel+Feb 9 2006, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jartaxel @ Feb 9 2006, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Maeryn@Feb 9 2006, 03:14 PM
new pet, Death Rune (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=8523&source=Test)?
Without breaking the EULA, only thing I can say is , no. [/b][/quote]
so, was there a *wink* followed by a *nudge* after that no? it's hard to tell in this kind of medium.

and aren't you breaking some EULA rule just by alluding to the point that you know something we don't know, but can't tell us because then we'd know something they don't want us to know, and that's a no no?

[Aryse Andenter]

Originally posted by Maeryn@Feb 9 2006, 01:54 PM

and aren't you breaking some EULA rule just by alluding to the point that you know something we don't know, but can't tell us because then we'd know something they don't want us to know, and that's a no no?
Yes. But do you mind? :P I believe it is technically against the NDA to even tell people you are in beta.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Aryse Andenter+Feb 9 2006, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aryse Andenter @ Feb 9 2006, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Maeryn@Feb 9 2006, 01:54 PM

and aren't you breaking some EULA rule just by alluding to the point that you know something we don't know, but can't tell us because then we'd know something they don't want us to know, and that's a no no?
Yes. But do you mind? :P I believe it is technically against the NDA to even tell people you are in beta. [/b][/quote]
no, i was just being a smart ass ;) any information is welcome information to me. as long as it's accurate information, that is.

[Jebasiz]

Zero mana cost...You don't need to be in beta to know that's not a pet.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Feb 9 2006, 05:18 PM
Zero mana cost...You don't need to be in beta to know that's not a pet.
there's another one on there called soul rune (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=8522&source=Test) i've never seen before, 0 mana cost, consumes a soul orb when cast. maybe they just haven't mentioned yet that the new pet consumes one whole level 46 toon, completely buffed? i know if i were them, *i'd* be hesitant to mention that part...

[Zaxlothon]

What do we know about Death Rune? Self only Beneficial AA with a 0 mana cost. Perhaps Lich is now being added to us as an ability, rather than a spell? Innate invis vs everything anyone? My favorite guess is that it is an AA that works as a pet focus. Put on the Rune and ALL your pets are focused /drool...huh? what! What just happened, I think I just woke up. It's probably an illusion...

Here is what I imagine the AA description to be:
Death Rune
It was on the top 10, so here is your new AA! Just 50 AA points and you can look like an old world zombie. For an extra 100 AA points, you can look like a zombie, but the illusion is reversed on you so that you look like you are walking backwards. Pretty cool huh? 150 AAs and you will be the best Micheal Jackson impersonator in your guild. Please be aware, this AA will not stack with Lich and prevents you from riding a mount. Once purchased, this AA can never be turned off and will not be refunded. The developers have promised to never add this illusion as an enchanter spell or item effect (until next Halloween), so only Necromancers will look this way (/wink).

Whatever it is now, it could change instantly or have already been changed. The information on Test doesn't appear to be complete. Good news is only 12 days until we know for sure.

[Jartaxel]

Good guess , but no cigar :P

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Good guess , but no cigar // Shakes fist madly

Why do you have to reveal that you are in beta only to torment us non-betas!!!

When does the NDA usually get lifted for expansions?

[Jebasiz]

Typically the day of the launch.

[Dranul]

Or close to it. Don't worry, they'll do open betas a week before the launch so we won't have time to actually test anything, and instead just try to find as much information as possible to leak.

[Astroshak]

I remember seeing somewhere that every class is going to get some form of trap, at least one (some classes more than one, is the conclusion there).

I've been theorizing (and I stress that this is just a theory, I'm not in beta) that the traps and the other way to "influence the battlefield" (or however they put it) come in the form if a continuation of the healing classes' "Healing Ward" concept.

My GUESS is that Death Rune is either a trap or a means to influence the field of battle (if there is even a difference between the two). My guess is that it would perform either a lifetap on the mobs, granting health to the necro and his group, or that it would be some form of debuff on the mob.

[Jebasiz]

Another way to break mezzes! That'd be leet. Nothing makes me happier then casting AE WTD and getting 4-5 chanter corpses.

[Fayed]

NDA usually gets lifted like a week or so before. At least thats when it got lifted for DODH.

And even when NDA is lifted, we have been told not to spoil it but to just give general answers.

EX

THis is how you do epic 3, ..........

thats a no no

There is an epic 3

Is good

[Kiiadi]

Originally posted by Jartaxel@Feb 8 2006, 05:58 AM
Word from Rashere (lead designer) is that this model isn't a part of the new expansion, but somthing they are working on on the side. If all goes well , it will go into the global file in a few months.
Remember this is an expansion based on RO, well there are Spectre npc's in Desert of Ro so this is probably what it will be used for.

I'd still rather see the pet look something like the graphic for the tribunal(PoJ)

[Solarra]

The Ro is Druzzil Ro. Not Solusek Ro. I think that remaking of the desert has more to do with the Elddar Forest/Takish Hiz story and because its so close to Freeport.

Hahahahahahaha A pet that looks like the Tribunal? Yeah.