Um, is this really from the 'Being stupid is illegal in Canada!' thread?

[Warspite]

Maeryn allows:
(can add croix to that list too if you want)

:lol: Good old Croix! Now, I know that he has it in for FnF, and I know this will make no difference to most folks, but other than his rabid disgust with anything he thinks is unethical, he's actually a pretty good person, and loyal to his friends as well. (Disclaimer: He is in our guild, still.) Although, why he hung around with us remains a mystery :P

For a while we considered making Croix a sig with a built in disclaimer saying:

The views expressed by Croix are not necessarily those of the Gift of Darkness or its management. Thank you.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Warspite@Apr 24 2006, 04:28 PM
Maeryn allows:
(can add croix to that list too if you want)

:lol: Good old Croix! Now, I know that he has it in for FnF, and I know this will make no difference to most folks, but other than his rabid disgust with anything he thinks is unethical, he's actually a pretty good person, and loyal to his friends as well. (Disclaimer: He is in our guild, still.) Although, why he hung around with us remains a mystery :P

For a while we considered making Croix a sig with a built in disclaimer saying:

The views expressed by Croix are not necessarily those of the Gift of Darkness or its management. Thank you.
i've never even had a personal confrontation with the guy (although i HAVE told him to stfu on occasion), but i read some of the stuff he writes on our boards and it makes me want to bang my head against a wall. hard. and repetitively. it's not that he has it out for my guild, either--the guy just... seems to have it out for everyone. i honestly can't understand why he still plays, since i've never seen him say a single nice thing about anything in any one of his posts =( if i were him, i'd have gone to WoW AGES ago!

on the bright side, at least he's entertaining when he gets all riled up :lol:

[Warspite]

I think just about everyone has told Croix to STFU at least once. I am pretty sure that Xelgadis even had to do it cross-server once :)

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Warspite@Apr 24 2006, 10:09 AM
I think just about everyone has told Croix to STFU at least once. I am pretty sure that Xelgadis even had to do it cross-server once :)
You understand his basic problem is your leader is selling Items and Plat and Accounts for money. Gear them up in FnF and buy them when the people go. Has for years. (Hell, I still get the flyers.. much drool in accounts and items..)

So, Croix believes that it's not cool just to ignore that fact. And feels you are all guilty by association (not unlike joining a Guild lead by an active and admitted child molester).

You can debate whether IRL money sales are bad, good or not a factor.. we all (even poCroix.. even Scarar) will admit Croix is a little rabid. The same could be said of seat belt nazi's.. people that drive the speed limit.. reformed Smokers and AA members.. etc.

And clearly SOE could wipe out this rather open network today.. but they don't. Likely because of the ripple effect. And that no cheating is involved, from a hacking/MQing sense.

So, meh.

poCroix also has a heart of gold. I wish I has done as much for him as he did for us. I still remember him splashing water on his face every pull trying to stay awake the night we farmed Darkspine Runes for some younger members. Refused to sleep until we finished. Yeah, that's silly, but he was always like that. Felt commited to the group and getting it done for the group.

And, yeah, he likes to augue for arguments sake. He is in college.. Poly Sci when last I knew.

And I would bet Xelgadis smacked him more than once. *grin*

[Warspite]

TESTIFY SISTAH FELICITE!

poCroix also has a heart of gold.

Hear! Hear!

[Maeryn]

You understand his basic problem is your leader is selling Items and Plat and Accounts for money. Gear them up in FnF and buy them when the people go. Has for years. (Hell, I still get the flyers.. much drool in accounts and items..)

i know that's croix's MAIN gripe, but admit it... he's got mini-gripes about a million other things too.

So, Croix believes that it's not cool just to ignore that fact. And feels you are all guilty by association (not unlike joining a Guild lead by an active and admitted child molester).

for one thing, i don't believe in guilt by association, regardless of who believes who is guilty of what (and frankly, no one really wants to hear my opinion on that). anyway, croix is VERY general in some of his attacks; that REALLY bugs me. also, huh? who are you saying is a child molester, cause that's news to me.

poCroix also has a heart of gold. I wish I has done as much for him as he did for us. I still remember him splashing water on his face every pull trying to stay awake the night we farmed Darkspine Runes for some younger members. Refused to sleep until we finished. Yeah, that's silly, but he was always like that. Felt commited to the group and getting it done for the group.

like i said, i've never had any personal confrontations with the guy, so i have no idea what he's like in-game, just what i've seen on the boards. on the boards, he comes across as self-righteous, condescending, and yes, VERY rabid! i'm not really a big fan of arguing just for the sake of arguing, since it's the fastest way to turn you into the boy who cried wolf. ie-someone who bitches about everything just to bitch. not saying none of his arguments are valid, just saying, there are an awful lot of them to sort through.

[Warspite]

As far as I know, the whole molester comment was just as an example. I don't think that there is such a guild or person.

Please don't think that we are doing anything other than discussing POCroix as a person. His opinions aren't mine so I don't need to defend them... plus, you've seen that he can argue them well enough himself. :)

Regardless, no one likes to be tarred by the big brush. Many of the folks I have chatted with that are in top end guilds seem to have similar experiences. I have known folks back in the day that had come to FV to decompress from their mains in AfterLife on MM. At first they were afraid to even say what guild they were in because some guilds just have a reputation and they attract a certain kind of comment from certain kinds of people... as I am sure you've noticed since you took on the FnF tag. Heck, I bet Xelgadis has some choice stories to relate on this topic.

My rule has always been to treat folks as individuals, regardless of the tag they wear. Because no matter what the guild rep, there will always be angels and asshats in it... the game just seems to require that. ;)

[Maeryn]

some guilds just have a reputation and they attract a certain kind of comment from certain kinds of people... as I am sure you've noticed since you took on the FnF tag

i love my guild, and i enjoy every minute i'm with them. i hear things, but mostly in the past tense; sure some of the same people are still around, and no, not everyone is going to agree on certain issues, but i've seen first hand what kind of players they are, and as far as the people themselves go, i have no complaints. i'm not saying everyone's an angel (like you said, there's one in every guild, both good and bad), but i think there's a general stereotype there that's probably a little unfair =(

[Archonia]

Originally posted by Maeryn@Apr 24 2006, 08:00 PM

i love my guild, and i enjoy every minute i'm with them. i hear things, but mostly in the past tense; sure some of the same people are still around, and no, not everyone is going to agree on certain issues, but i've seen first hand what kind of players they are, and as far as the people themselves go, i have no complaints. i'm not saying everyone's an angel (like you said, there's one in every guild, both good and bad), but i think there's a general stereotype there that's probably a little unfair =(

Personally, I think Croix has a genuine commitment to integrity. If you're able to relate to what such a thing might mean, you should also be able readily to appreciate how it might involve not changing your tune after everybody else has decided it's more comfortable to let sleeping dogs lie.

Unlike Croix, I'm not vocal about this stuff, but that doesn't mean I don't feel just as strongly about it, and that indicates to me that there's a fair chance others are on the same page even if he's the only one doing the talking.

I'm aware of someone (Vamora) who used to hover in the Gift chat channel, and even someone (Lorie) who was once a member of the guild, although since this was during an enforced absence of mine, I never really knew her. Both of these now sit firmly in a category of people the existence of which is a source of continual disappointment to me, because they are or have at one point been a member of Fire and Fury.

I've never seen you in-game, Maeryn, but I already know everything I need to know about you. Your guild tag accurately identifes you as someone willing to compromise pretty much the the only thing of value in an environment where everything else is virtual.

I'd like somehow to claim that your surprise and lack of understanding of this prejudice is part and parcel of the affliction which makes it such a time saving for us all that you went and got yourself aptly tagged, but the truth is that I remain puzzled by this even now. As far as I'm aware, not even Croix has a working theory of why your kind seems so consitently inclined repeatedly to expound the manifold ways in which you are more than your guild tag.

I hope you have a fabulous day.

[Maeryn]

I've never seen you in-game, Maeryn, but I already know everything I need to know about you. Your guild tag accurately identifes you as someone willing to compromise pretty much the the only thing of value in an environment where everything else is virtual.
the fact that you can sit there and judge me without ever having met me, simply because of my guild tag, tells me everything i need to know about you.

[Archonia]

Originally posted by Maeryn@Apr 25 2006, 01:35 PM
I've never seen you in-game, Maeryn, but I already know everything I need to know about you. Your guild tag accurately identifes you as someone willing to compromise pretty much the the only thing of value in an environment where everything else is virtual.
the fact that you can sit there and judge me without ever having met me, simply because of my guild tag, tells me everything i need to know about you.
Some argue that there is beauty in simplicity; I agree with this sentiment. It is however lost on you. When I'm done writing this, which, because you're the special person that you are, will not help you understand my point any better than did my original post, I'm going to call our joint board activity to the attention of a coworker, after which I predict we will commiserate that there is no real life equivalent to a certain guild's tags, the uncontested brilliance of which is that the right people seek them out without needing to be encouraged to wear them, thus advertising the flavour of their character for the world to see. My coworker does not play EQ, but he relates very well to the problem of people and the sharing of limited space, metaphorical and otherwise.

I think life is short. It's not that I've got some burning ambition urging me on or that I'm dying of some wasting disease, but sloth and waste are generally offensive to me, on a purely aesthetical basis, and it is for this reason that I appreciate any shortcut that will accelerate the making of good decisions.

It is exactly my point that we've both been saved a great deal of time. Who knows what the alternatives might have been? I volunteer the possibility that you may be riddled with all sorts of features which I might have found redeeming and constructive and maybe even sufficient to disguise what constitutes to me the flaw in your character which made you decide it was fine to sign up with the guild of your choice prior to the fact.

You're welcome to erect your barricade adjacent to mine. I remain commited to hoping your day is a gorgeous one.

[Xislaben]

Um, so Archonia, what exactly don't you like about Fire and Fury to the degree that you paint all its members with the same brush?

Just the facts please, but feel free to frame it in iambic pentameter or haiku form.

[Maeryn]

It is exactly my point that we've both been saved a great deal of time. Who knows what the alternatives might have been? I volunteer the possibility that you may be riddled with all sorts of features which I might have found redeeming and constructive and maybe even sufficient to disguise what constitutes to me the flaw in your character which made you decide it was fine to sign up with the guild of your choice prior to the fact.
alternative to what? i've never met you, i've never app'd your guild, but you come on this message board out of nowhere and attack me personally, and i'm supposed to feel something because now i never will?

let me tell you something, i've gotten to know felicite and warspite a little in the short time that i've played this game and posted on this board, and i have a great deal of respect for them. you, on the other hand, seem to have it in your head that you're somehow better than me and think that you hold yourself to some higher moral standard that i can never understand, but you know absolutely nothing about me. you don't know that i've been busting my ass off for the last 5 months since i've started playing eq trying to catch up to people who have been playing it for years, you don't know that the only reason i went to FV in the first place was because i have friends irl who play there and i wanted to spend time with them in-game, you haven't seen the bullshit i've had to put up with from people on that server who think that just because they run around with a certain crowd or because they have x number of vet AAs that they deserve more respect than the people who drop what they're doing and go help someone they've never met with an epic fight, or the people who spend their entire night in PoK giving out buffs or gear and helping out new players. i went to fnf because certain members of that guild went out of their way to help me when i first started playing, because certain members taught me everything i know about this game, and because certain members make logging on after a hard day at an obnoxious job worth all work i put into maeryn over the last five months.

but you wouldn't know any of that, because before you met me you decided i wasn't worth your time.

[Archonia]

but you wouldn't know any of that, because before you met me you decided i wasn't worth your time.

At face value, it looks as though I'm actually getting through to you.


Um, so Archonia, what exactly don't you like about Fire and Fury to the degree that you paint all its members with the same brush?

What I wanted to do, somewhat impulsively, was to contribute my two bobs after someone gratuitously embarked on a steady path of Croix-bashing in this thread, in spite of the fact he is neither stupid nor Canadian.

Listing the extent of what's wrong with Fire and Fury seems like a rehash of what's already been more thoroughly achieved elsewhere, in forums where there was equal participation both by those in favour and those against. I refer you to previous posts in this very thread for some indication, however.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Archonia@Apr 25 2006, 02:45 PM
but you wouldn't know any of that, because before you met me you decided i wasn't worth your time.

At face value, it looks as though I'm actually getting through to you.
grats on being a self-important pompous ass who thinks they're better than everyone else and have the right to pre-judge people?

What I wanted to do, somewhat impulsively, was to contribute my two bobs after someone gratuitously embarked on a steady path of Croix-bashing in this thread, in spite of the fact he is neither stupid nor Canadian.
i never kept my opinion of croix a secret, but i don't think you can call anything i said in this thread "croix bashing". if you want to see bashing, take a walk over to the FV boards and pick out any number of threads where he, somewhat similar to you, actually, will jump on any and every topic and strangle the life out of it by shoving his opinion down everyone's throat. i never claimed he was stupid or a horrible person, i just said that he enjoys arguing to the extent that i find it obnoxious.

but if you want to stand there and bad mouth my guild, i just want you to know this: regardless of what your opinion of anyone in that guild is, they all go out of their way to make that server a better place. nyno, victar, kozul, lorie (who you were so quick to put down) and a ton of other people i could name have all gone out of their way to help me with ANYTHING i needed, whether it was an epic fight, don progression, spell missions, or just your every day q&a. they make me laugh, they push me to be a better player, and they encourage me when people like you try to make me feel like i'm somehow lacking. if i had my choice between them, and you, i'll glady stay with them.

i'm not spending another second defending them against someone who obviously isn't interested in anything beyond what they think they know, but the next time you want to go around attacking people, you may want to think about how that reflects on your own guild.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Archonia@Apr 25 2006, 02:45 PM

Um, so Archonia, what exactly don't you like about Fire and Fury to the degree that you paint all its members with the same brush?

What I wanted to do, somewhat impulsively, was to contribute my two bobs after someone gratuitously embarked on a steady path of Croix-bashing in this thread, in spite of the fact he is neither stupid nor Canadian.

Listing the extent of what's wrong with Fire and Fury seems like a rehash of what's already been more thoroughly achieved elsewhere, in forums where there was equal participation both by those in favour and those against. I refer you to previous posts in this very thread for some indication, however.
I'm curious, since you won't say what your issue is, perhaps you could tell us who summoned you from the ether?

[Archonia]

Originally posted by Xislaben+ Apr 25 2006, 03:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xislaben @ Apr 25 2006, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I'm curious, since you won't say what your issue is, perhaps you could tell us who summoned you from the ether?[/b]
While I can't help but be flattered by the prospect of being someone of such standing that someone else would bother to summon me from the ether, I actually just wandered in quite on my own just to see what this board was like, both because I knew that Felicite used to be active here (though I ignored how much!) and because I've developed some idle curiousity about issues of a necromantic nature as these pertain to EQ.

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The wonderful and terrifying thing about prejudice is that if you pick yours with care, you are rewarded with abundant affirmation. If we sit back and argue purely on a level of principle, I'd say that being prejudiced is bad and inadvisable, but it just isn't working out that way in practical terms.

If you feel able to account for how I'm bad mouthing your guild, Maeryn, to the extent that it's beginning to reflect negatively on my guild, I invite you to detail how. I believe Xislaben, for one, would find this information useful since he has pointed out how my posts have thus far been lacking in that regard.

What I've done, instead, is to pigeonhole the lot of you, and while openly lamenting the existance of your guild on the Firiona Vie server I also laud how it conveniently rounds up all of you who might otherwise at first glance have been indistinguishable from other members of the FV population.

Prior to my first post in this thread, you argued that a certain amount of typecasting and stereotyping is going on which is a little unfair. I argue that not only is it not unfair, it is appropriate and highly convenient for all involved parties. That's including you.

[Maeryn]

If you feel able to account for how I'm bad mouthing your guild, Maeryn, to the extent that it's beginning to reflect negatively on my guild, I invite you to detail how.
because if my choices were between someone who was going to accuse, judge, and condemn me without ever having met me, and a group of people who were willing to overlook my shortcomings, do you really have to ask who i would pick? Those are the things that I "value in an environment where everything else is virtual."

[Felicite]

Xislaben: Translation: Archie is stalking me.. and has or is considering a necromancer alt.

**

Archie.. Maeyrn does not believe in guilt by association. So, aiding Shanana, Exxy or however you want to call the "eBay" arm of the Guild is not relevant to her. Selective blindness.

Here in America, we have a similar situation with the Catholic Church. They continue to shelter known child molesters, refuse to release records to the police even when subpoenaed.. yet people still attend and tithe. Does that strike you as a little weird? (Yes, I am seemingly fixated on child molesters, but the Church was the analogy I had in mind before).

Come play with us! People actually RP.. and there *are* people! It's kinda weird after living through FV dying around us for so long.

**

Maeyrn: Lol. App our Guild? You are funny.. no one Apps our Guild. They ask nicely or know us personally. If had you asked, you would have been welcome.

Saying Croix "should not reproduce" is not bashing, by the way? Oddly, I defend Croix for the very same attributes you defend in your House. That he puts helping others above his needs.

100% of his issue with Fire and Fury is Exxy's continued ca$h profits from your activities. Period. It's not the main issue. It's the issue. And that you all condone it. I mean, don't you?

Unless you mean things like the AC/HP argument.. which is a game mechanics argument that Croix has hardly contained to a single Guild. And if you go to the SK boards and you will find he far from unique in this position.

**

I don't wish to fight. Integrity is funny in EQ. There is a new guild forming on FV, and they proudly announce they are top end raiding guild without "plat selling, etc". Sounds super.. but at least one Officer's toons are bought ex-Fire and Fury toons. Cracks me up.

I am just bitter that no one wanted to buy me. *nods*

[Maeryn]

/sigh.

felicite, i hope you know me well enough by now to know two things: the first being that i try to be a nice person. maybe a bit of an idealist, perhaps a bit naive; but i try to do right by people, and i try to give anyone a fair chance which is all i really ask in return.

the second being that i'm not stupid.

i'm not even going to get into an argument about scarar, though--it's not my place to say anything, and here's why: whatever he does, or has done, or will do, has nothing to do with me. i'm not turning a blind eye or pleading ignorance is bliss, but all i know of scarar is that he's a great leader, a great player, and he treats everyone in his guild fairly. what i put into that guild and what i get out of it are no more and no less than what would be true of any other guild, period. i don't know what you guys think is going on behind our guild hall doors, but it's nothing so devious, i assure you.

as far as app'ing your guild, i never knew you or anyone else from GoD before i became a member of fnf, so it's a moot point now. thank you for the kind words, but after the path this thread has taken... well, i doubt i would have fit in there anyway.

and finally croix... like i said, i've never had a personal confrontation with the guy. was i bashing him? i was just following the flow of the conversation i was having with warspite (which actually started with a joke), and personally i found it pretty tame compared to some of the things he says on the boards about other people. i'm sorry if i offended you, personally, by what i said, but i was just expressing my opinion. whether it's about fnf, ac/hp, the new progression server, pretty much any thread he decides to go off in, he really just ends up annoying me to the point where, even if i actually find myself agreeing with what he's saying, i still just can't stand the guy.

but then, this is a free country, and i pay my $15 a month same as you and anyone else--and i choose to spend the time that buys me with the folks that i enjoy spending time with, rather than wasting it on people who summed up my entire existence as a waste of time.

[Ckador]

Haha, this Archonia pal is one of those douchebags that breaks out the thesaurus and tries to fit as many "big" words into one post as it can to sound smart, in an effort to make it sound like its argument wasn't thought up by a Vagina
MacGeinstien. I mean, who the fuck talks like that in every day conversation?

Hey, fuckin' MacBeth, why don't you hum one of your soliloquoys on my ballsack?

[Warspite]

Ckador opines:
I mean, who the fuck talks like that in every day conversation?

Why, stout yeoman, I do speak that way! Though no doubt the use of words with more than four syllables make you nervous, you should not ascribe anything more to their use than the desire to make one's statements clearer and more accurate.

That, and it's a great way to keep the moronic out of the conversation.

[Felicite]

Yes, it has nothing to do with you. You are spot on. This drama has been going on for years and years (at least four.. I know of Exxy/Scarar account buying/selling drama that old first hand).

I am sorry if my attempts to explain why some people on FV will never accept anyone in Fire and Fury have upset you.

It's nothing going on in the Guild (well, someone might bring up the Anguish keys.. but I think everyone, after SOE reversed the bans, admits they over-reacted). It's all about the selling.

Oh and A, Ckador's silky prose and all, I have to agree with the house on this observation: This is the wrong crowd to try and bury with vocabulary, they can hack it.

[Archonia]

I'm impressed by the response. Thread relocation, peanut gallery activation, the whole nine yards! I truly didn't set out to shitstir for the sheer hell of it, but it's still nice to see you're able to rouse a crowd on a slow day. The thespian in me is content.

One of the things I've recently discovered is how unproductive it is to respond to people's interpretations. They are more often than not educational, of course, and it would be a waste to ignore other's perceptions of oneself, but my working theory so far is that you stand to benefit far more by factoring in the responses as you become able to anticipate them than you do by trying to produce different responses in the first place.

So I'm not going to explain or prove that this is really how I actually talk, and why it might be so. I'm quite accustomed to intimidating people with my use of language, as I'm also accustomed to watching them get progressively more enraged as I point out that that is what is happening!

Is there anything terribly much left to say? Hm.

Maeryn, I hold you no ill will, but I wasn't just making it up - I completely interpreted your post as trying to marginalise Croix's opinions, and I felt it quite appropriate to just step up and let you know that even though he may be particularly verbal about how he feels, there are many who silently agree. Maybe you really are just idealistic or a touch naive as you yourself suggest. I'm not far from saying I'm just the same, but there is a lot to be said for looking before you step, and as soon as you say things like "This is a free country" I struggle to move you out of the category of people who ignore how the world is comprised of rather a lot more real estate than the US. You know what I mean? There IS a stereotype, and my point was really just that people's lives are short, so stereotypes are helpful and convenient. I'm sure for every bum that begs my spare change, there's probably one now and then whose heartbreak story is actually true, but it's much easier for me to assume he just wants his next fix and move on. So treat yourself to every flavour of exasperated eyerolling about Croix and his utterances, but even though I don't think you care and I know I don't care that you don't care, I couldn't in that moment think of a better way to pass the time before lunch than by pointing out that there's a whole bunch of people who look in at you from the outside and see precisely what you claim isn't there. *From my point of view, your guild tag still serves to identify you as someone capable of a judgement call that clashes enough with my own that I'm pleased we won't be having any dealings. Ultimately it signals that "you're cool" with certain things I'm not, and finding out all that after having perhaps come to appreciate other qualities in you would, I maintain, have been a waste of time.

Ckador, I can't think of any damage you haven't already done.

Doc Hollidazed, while it's obvious I touched some nerve, I'm not really sure which one. Did you merely see me as the lurking stranger swooping down to strike at one of the flock, or is your ire fuelled solely by my application of language? While I said I'm no stranger to it, the intensity still takes me by surprise. Under different circumstnaces it might have been fun to discover how book learned you assume me to be, and then to watch your response as I correct your assumption. Of what you said that had substance, I failed to understand what you meant by the absence of choice. There is always choice. Of course, some people find that they positively have no other choice than to send some subset of the population to a concentration camp, and to them it's probably very real, but for those of us not yet diagnosed of unsound mind, we're expected to make adult choices. Maybe what you're saying is that sometimes you have to act on the information available to you even if it's insufficient. I personally think there's never realistically an excuse for being uninformed. Maybe in the past, but not in the world of today.

Felicite, hello you, and what a way to arrive on this board it turns out you help tend! I place no great stock in becoming a repeat visitor, and it would be impossible to argue that I attempted an inconspicuous arrival with my surreptitious sharing of opinions, so, on your allegiance in this medium (such as it is) I make no claim. Regarding Azeroth and Norrath ... yeah, who knows? I've sort of promised myself that the damage is best limited to a single realm, but it may not be a zero-sum equation, and it might be lovely just to be entirely new, unspoilt and soon hopelessly lost all over again. The best and most vivid memories are frequently those of the early days ... by means of rotation, every day might be some form or other of early.

To the Necrotalk crowd, I hope you've enjoyed this thread, I know I have. I'm learning a bit about human emotion these days, and while it's not quite so trite as the old yin and yang theorem, there's some truth to how we require sustenance across the spectrum. There's a reason we enjoy watching movies that make us frightened, angry and sad, and as such, this thread may have nourished parts of you that you never knew were starved.

*takes a bow*

(Edited to summarise that my paragraph aimed at Maeryn was a clarification and not some kind of sugar coated retraction at all).

[Warspite]

The Doctor asked:
What's the point of causing an argument at all if you cannot be understood?

Maybe just causing an argument ;)

/serious on

I'm sorry, but it puts me out to see friends and people I like and or respect at loggerheads with each other. It just makes me uncomfortable.

I understand that people get to have their opinions... but it always bothers me when a conversation spins out of control. When we talk about things that we feel strongly about, it's always been important to me to state things in a way that doesn't make the other side of the argument feel as if they were attacked as an individual. (Assuming good faith on all sides arguing, of course.)

/serious off

And Doc, if you aren't nicer to me, I'll never let you have the antidote for the gonosyphilliherpaids! :)

[GnekroeGnomicon]

gonosyphilliherpaids
I swear this disease's name is getting longer by the post.

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

Originally posted by Archonia@Apr 25 2006, 10:01 PM
I'm impressed by the response. Thread relocation, peanut gallery activation, the whole nine yards! I truly didn't set out to shitstir for the sheer hell of it, but it's still nice to see you're able to rouse a crowd on a slow day. The thespian in me is content.

One of the things I've recently discovered is how unproductive it is to respond to people's interpretations. They are more often than not educational, of course, and it would be a waste to ignore other's perceptions of oneself, but my working theory so far is that you stand to benefit far more by factoring in the responses as you become able to anticipate them than you do by trying to produce different responses in the first place.

So I'm not going to explain or prove that this is really how I actually talk, and why it might be so. I'm quite accustomed to intimidating people with my use of language, as I'm also accustomed to watching them get progressively more enraged as I point out that that is what is happening!

Is there anything terribly much left to say? Hm.

Maeryn, I hold you no ill will, but I wasn't just making it up - I completely interpreted your post as trying to marginalise Croix's opinions, and I felt it quite appropriate to just step up and let you know that even though he may be particularly verbal about how he feels, there are many who silently agree. Maybe you really are just idealistic or a touch naive as you yourself suggest. I'm not far from saying I'm just the same, but there is a lot to be said for looking before you step, and as soon as you say things like "This is a free country" I struggle to move you out of the category of people who ignore how the world is comprised of rather a lot more real estate than the US. You know what I mean? There IS a stereotype, and my point was really just that people's lives are short, so stereotypes are helpful and convenient. I'm sure for every bum that begs my spare change, there's probably one now and then whose heartbreak story is actually true, but it's much easier for me to assume he just wants his next fix and move on. So treat yourself to every flavour of exasperated eyerolling about Croix and his utterances, but even though I don't think you care and I know I don't care that you don't care, I couldn't in that moment think of a better way to pass the time before lunch than by pointing out that there's a whole bunch of people who look in at you from the outside and see precisely what you claim isn't there. *From my point of view, your guild tag still serves to identify you as someone capable of a judgement call that clashes enough with my own that I'm pleased we won't be having any dealings. Ultimately it signals that "you're cool" with certain things I'm not, and finding out all that after having perhaps come to appreciate other qualities in you would, I maintain, have been a waste of time.

Ckador, I can't think of any damage you haven't already done.

Doc Hollidazed, while it's obvious I touched some nerve, I'm not really sure which one. Did you merely see me as the lurking stranger swooping down to strike at one of the flock, or is your ire fuelled solely by my application of language? While I said I'm no stranger to it, the intensity still takes me by surprise. Under different circumstnaces it might have been fun to discover how book learned you assume me to be, and then to watch your response as I correct your assumption. Of what you said that had substance, I failed to understand what you meant by the absence of choice. There is always choice. Of course, some people find that they positively have no other choice than to send some subset of the population to a concentration camp, and to them it's probably very real, but for those of us not yet diagnosed of unsound mind, we're expected to make adult choices. Maybe what you're saying is that sometimes you have to act on the information available to you even if it's insufficient. I personally think there's never realistically an excuse for being uninformed. Maybe in the past, but not in the world of today.

Felicite, hello you, and what a way to arrive on this board it turns out you help tend! I place no great stock in becoming a repeat visitor, and it would be impossible to argue that I attempted an inconspicuous arrival with my surreptitious sharing of opinions, so, on your allegiance in this medium (such as it is) I make no claim. Regarding Azeroth and Norrath ... yeah, who knows? I've sort of promised myself that the damage is best limited to a single realm, but it may not be a zero-sum equation, and it might be lovely just to be entirely new, unspoilt and soon hopelessly lost all over again. The best and most vivid memories are frequently those of the early days ... by means of rotation, every day might be some form or other of early.

To the Necrotalk crowd, I hope you've enjoyed this thread, I know I have. I'm learning a bit about human emotion these days, and while it's not quite so trite as the old yin and yang theorem, there's some truth to how we require sustenance across the spectrum. There's a reason we enjoy watching movies that make us frightened, angry and sad, and as such, this thread may have nourished parts of you that you never knew were starved.

*takes a bow*

(Edited to summarise that my paragraph aimed at Maeryn was a clarification and not some kind of sugar coated retraction at all).
Translation :




Archonia is the only person on Firiona not getting daily cyber.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Kadyan Aeternalis@Apr 25 2006, 03:33 PM
Translation :

Archonia is the only person on Firiona not getting daily cyber.
lawl

Your info is so dated.

FV is all about the Hamiltons, baby!

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

Originally posted by Felicite+Apr 25 2006, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Felicite @ Apr 25 2006, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kadyan Aeternalis@Apr 25 2006, 03:33 PM
Translation :

Archonia is the only person on Firiona not getting daily cyber.
lawl

Your info is so dated.

FV is all about the Hamiltons, baby! [/b][/quote]
Don't tell me about dated when you're still using that tired old internet slang. :lol:

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Maeryn+ Apr 25 2006, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maeryn @ Apr 25 2006, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Xislaben@ Apr 25 2006, 03:17 PM
I'm curious, since you won't say what your issue is, perhaps you could tell us who summoned you from the ether?
While I can't help but be flattered by the prospect of being someone of such standing that someone else would bother to summon me from the ether, I actually just wandered in quite on my own just to see what this board was like, both because I knew that Felicite used to be active here (though I ignored how much!) and because I've developed some idle curiousity about issues of a necromantic nature as these pertain to EQ.[/b]

Are you saying, and not saying, that it's Felmatrix's fault? She is near and dear. Or another evasion, pure happenstance is it? :P

<!--QuoteBegin-Doc Hollidazed@Apr 26 2006, 02:44 AM
Doc Hollidazed, while it's obvious I touched some nerve, I'm not really sure which one. Did you merely see me as the lurking stranger swooping down to strike at one of the flock, or is your ire fuelled solely by my application of language? While I said I'm no stranger to it, the intensity still takes me by surprise. Under different circumstnaces it might have been fun to discover how book learned you assume me to be, and then to watch your response as I correct your assumption. Of what you said that had substance, I failed to understand what you meant by the absence of choice. There is always choice. Of course, some people find that they positively have no other choice than to send some subset of the population to a concentration camp, and to them it's probably very real, but for those of us not yet diagnosed of unsound mind, we're expected to make adult choices. Maybe what you're saying is that sometimes you have to act on the information available to you even if it's insufficient. I personally think there's never realistically an excuse for being uninformed. Maybe in the past, but not in the world of today.

Go fish. Your assumptions are even worse than your irrational discontent with Fire and Fury. I don't have a flock, unless you imply those who champion rule of law and rational discourse. Certainly your application of language is not the source of my ire, it is your ruse which disgusts me. I don't like bullshitters, and I don't discriminate between Lord Byron types or garden variety Potuses. Perhaps my intensity surprises you because you are not used to someone demanding you back your play. What I asked, pointedly, was if you could elaborate on what it actually is you dislike about fire and fury, which you have conveniently avoided. Here's a tip for you: if you truly wish to understand someone, try asking a question instead of pontificating in the corner, like a teenage boy who just discovered the art of masturbation. [/quote]
Translation:

It's all fluff baby, the forced eloquence is seemingly contrived, substituted for a lack of substance, and we don't buy it.
If you refuse to even talk about the heart of the matter, why bother talk at all.
Put up or shut up, or at least exercise some honest brevity.

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Archonia+Apr 25 2006, 10:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Archonia @ Apr 25 2006, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You're welcome to erect [/b]
HA HA HA AHA HA AH AHA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

Originally posted by Felicite+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Felicite)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I am just bitter that no one wanted to buy me. *nods* [/b]
OMGozorzs!!! THIS IS THE BESTEST THREAD EVERS!!!!

in an effort to make it sound like its argument wasn't thought up by a Vagina MacGeinstien. I mean, who the fuck talks like that in every day conversation?

Hey, fuckin' MacBeth, why don't you hum one of your soliloquoys on my ballsack?

OMG I'm dying ffrom laughing too hard, please stop...

<!--QuoteBegin-Archonia@
Maybe you really are just idealistic or a touch naive...** ...There IS a stereotype, and my point was really just that people's lives are short, so stereotypes are helpful and convenient.[/quote]

HA HA HA HA HA, self contraditcion is my favorite thing in like the whole world!

Doc Hollidazed, while it's obvious I touched some nerve, I'm not really sure which one. Did you merely see me as the lurking stranger swooping down to strike at one of the flock, or is your ire fuelled solely by my application of language? While I said I'm no stranger to it, the intensity still takes me by surprise. Under different circumstnaces it might have been fun to discover how book learned you assume me to be, and then to watch your response as I correct your assumption. Of what you said that had substance, I failed to understand what you meant by the absence of choice. There is always choice. Of course, some people find that they positively have no other choice than to send some subset of the population to a concentration camp, and to them it's probably very real, but for those of us not yet diagnosed of unsound mind, we're expected to make adult choices. Maybe what you're saying is that sometimes you have to act on the information available to you even if it's insufficient. I personally think there's never realistically an excuse for being uninformed. Maybe in the past, but not in the world of today.

WTF, you cannot confuse the Doc with big words an complex sentences, nice try though. Why don't you try paraphrasing next time:

"Doc, are you pissed at me cause I tried to pwn your pal, or mad cause I speak good english? (grammatical error of 'good english' intended.) I'm used to people getting pissed at me, but dude, wtf? Maybe it'd be funny if you explained how smart you think I am, and we'd see your reaction as I prove I think I'm smarter. The only thing I think you said of value is, why you think Maeryn is unable to chose her own path. Ofcourse she can! But some bigots think they don't have a choice and for folks who aren't crazy, we're expected to make the right choices. Maybe you're trying to say you need to play with the hand you're dealt, but that's bullshit. Maybe you could get away with that in uncivilized times but not in modern day society."

And what Doc says is, you can use all the proper grammar and SAT words you want, but you're not disguising the fact that you're full of excrement.

<!--QuoteBegin-Warspite
And Doc, if you aren't nicer to me, I'll never let you have the antidote for the gonosyphilliherpaids[/quote]

No worries Doc, I've got your back. Being married to her, I've got a bunker full of vacinations and cures.

and I don't discriminate between Lord Byron types or garden variety Potuses.

Leave Potus out of this, he maybe an idiot, but at least he never tried to cover it up with prophetic language!

Wow, seriously this has been the best thread I've ever read...

[Archonia]

Wow. =) There are some really, really good things in this thread, and I didn't even put half of them there myself! I'd really love to be able to sort of nurture them all, to tend each and every little subthread as it spawns and leave no one of them behind, but I'm starting to think that it's probably beyond me. I'll see what I can do, though. Today does not afford me the excellent set of opportunities for posting as did yesterday, but a modicum of dialogue should be possible.

Doc, I didn't say your intensity in particular, just the general intensity of responses still has the potential to take me by surprise. CKador might love it best if I said instead that I fail to anticipate how much people are going to care half the time, mostly because it's so difficult to get their attention, much less their involvement, at other times. The manipulator in me is taking notes, of course. Total mindcontrol next, so find and wear your tinfoil hat.

But seriously ... you didn't really pointedly ask me to elaborate on what my beef with FnF was. Oh, sure, embedded in the body of your text is a request along those lines, but since I'm making a point out of determining specifically what has you so irked, I don't think you can righteously seethe as you claim I deliberately obfuscate intent and communication without also making your utmost to be nothing but crystal clear. Not that I'm saying you should be, because language is fun. The shortest distance between two points is not always a direct line.

And, if you really only wanted me to go into detail about just what's so wrong about Fire and Fury, you would have noted that I already pointed out to Xislaben such a thing seems extraneous and even obsolete; it's been done to death elsewhere. I just acknowledge and make reference to these testimonies which you can find with a little searching, as I expect could anyone else. What I wouldn't expect someone else to do was to act or talk in a way that complete ignored these. Does that make sense?

To look at a parallel, let's consider the example that was brought up: Child molestation. I'm assuming we can all agree that child molestation is depraved, reprehensible, and disgusting, but you know, if we can't, then I'm not quite sure I'm prepared to begin explaining why I think it is, because I may very well decide against any form of interaction with people whose stance on the issue of child molestation is ambiguous. If you're going to point out that in certain cultures, certain views about what is a mature age are vastly different from those held by the majority of us involved in the discussion, then that's exactly how you have to start. The burden of proof is on you.

I'm not going to elaborate on what I personally think is wrong with Fire and Fury, but I'm also not going to shut up while someone sheds crocodile tears at the angry man who won't stop talking so bad about FnF when really they're the bestest cuddly peoplefriends whose collective thumbs you could ever dream of suckling.

Xislaben, I wasn't invited or encouraged to check out this website, much less to post on this thread. Actually, it's possible that Felicite or Warspite in the distant past mentioned Necrotalk and said I should surf by sometime, because I was aware of the site and I know that some people with necromancers on other servers rolled one up on Firiona Vie and came to hang out with GoD (the guild, not the expansion), but that's really too far back in time to have any bearing. I happened to load up your page out of curiousity about EQ necromancers, and took to reading threads with posts either by by people I knew or containing references I'd recognise. There's no fault or blame to level at any but me, and my motivations are and were, as you've now seen, not premeditatedly sinister.

Schaeffer, that's a grand effort, you have my appreciation! Not quite sure how you feel I contradicted myself, but I'm sure your explanation is imminent. I also note how you directly equate Doc's chosen term of "book learned" as "smart", and while you get it wrong in the sense that I was in all possibly likelihood going to have to correct the Doc's assumption downwards by several clicks, substituting your terminology would have me explain to him how I'm less smart, and this has never yet happened.


In closing, I should mention that what's perhaps most striking of all is that I'm beginning to see, by virtue of your collective useful contributions, that Doc may have been right on one point. I can, without altering any of what I've stated other than my assumptions about current operating parameters, begin to see how there may have been a total absence of choice where I've insisted one must still have existed, in which case this has all been tremendously valuable and only a tiny little bit depressing. =)

I entrust to you the responsibility fully to enjoy the remainder of your day.

[Maeryn]

Archonia Posted on Apr 26 2006, 01:45 PM:
I'm not going to elaborate on what I personally think is wrong with Fire and Fury, but I'm also not going to shut up while someone sheds crocodile tears at the angry man who won't stop talking so bad about FnF when really they're the bestest cuddly peoplefriends whose collective thumbs you could ever dream of suckling.

I don't know if you're just that over-dramatic or if you really think this is actually what happened, but if you'll do us all a favor and re-read what started this whole thing, you'll see that that isn't even close.

Here, for those of you who didn't read the other thread, is how this whole mess started, in a side conversation Warspite and I were having on the Canada thread:

(Warspite @ Apr 21 2006, 08:24 PM)
Now, the big question: What can you teach us about genetics?
that some people just should not reproduce =(
(by some people i mean trainers, griefers, loot whores, and, on FV, kafimur)
(can add croix to that list too if you want)

For one thing, any idiot can tell I was kidding around. Even warspite, who is NOT an idiot, joked back in her next post. What followed in the next few posts (the first few in this thread), was me expressing my opinion about how Croix loves to argue just for the sake of arguing, and he does it in such a way that it bugs the shit out of me. Who was the first person to bring up FnF? Warspite. Then I wrote another post, totally overlooking that point (not intentionally, I just didn't see the relevance, so I didn't comment). Then, who brought it up again? Felicite. And again, my response did not even mention my guild, or Croix's issues with it, other than to say that he had issues with everything. In fact, the first time I even mentioned FnF in this thread was when Warspite said that I must have noticed since I took the FnF tag that people make "comments" about it.

Not in one single post I contributed to this thread did I complain about Croix bad-mouthing FnF. My entire point was that he bitches about everything. So before you start running your mouth off again about something you know absolutely nothing about, get your facts straight please. Quit trying to stir up more contention just to satisfy your own attention whoring needs.

[Ckador]

Originally posted by Archonia@Apr 26 2006, 01:45 PM
Wow. =) There are some really, really good things in this thread, and I didn't even put half of them there myself! I'd really love to be able to sort of nurture them all, to tend each and every little subthread as it spawns and leave no one of them behind, but I'm starting to think that it's probably beyond me. I'll see what I can do, though. Today does not afford me the excellent set of opportunities for posting as did yesterday, but a modicum of dialogue should be possible.

Doc, I didn't say your intensity in particular, just the general intensity of responses still has the potential to take me by surprise. CKador might love it best if I said instead that I fail to anticipate how much people are going to care half the time, mostly because it's so difficult to get their attention, much less their involvement, at other times. The manipulator in me is taking notes, of course. Total mindcontrol next, so find and wear your tinfoil hat.




http://www.arlo.net/pictures/blunderites/puppetmaster.JPG

OMG YOU GUYS WATCH OUT, TEH PUPPETMASTER HATH COMETH FOR YUO!

[Fyrelle]

Originally posted by Archonia@Apr 26 2006, 01:45 PM
talking so bad about FnF when really they're the bestest cuddly peoplefriends
Oh, we are so not cuddly..

What sickens me is you constantly equating child molestation with a guild in A GAME.

What Scar does with accounts is his own damn business.. as long as it doesn't interfere with my gameplay I don't give a flying fuck... I don't care if he's sold enough accounts to buy a football team or a 300 acre estate in Beverly Hills.. It's NOT MY BUSINESS and should not be ANY OF YOURS... If it bugs you that much, go vent on your Livejournal or Myspace.. but don't go trashing my guild OR my guildmates based on what our guildleader does on his own fucking time.... Sure, we all know he does it, big fucking deal... I'm here for the game, not to judge people on their doings.

I joined FnF because I want to progress... and this is wrong because... ? Because why? Because Scar makes some bucks off of people who retire? Did you ever stop to think that when he buys accounts from other high level players, some of the gear is removed and placed in our guild bank for apps? And no, we don't make them give the gear back if they don't make the cut... Yeah, that's really a sign of a corrupted guild, isn't it? What a bunch of mean bastards we are... raising people's HP and Mana pools by 5k and then not asking for the items back...

You either need to score some really good weed or a really good fuck... But you really need to vent in other ways than 1) on a forum you don't belong on for 2) a class you don't play and 3) about a guild you know really NOTHING about except 'the bad things'.. Sooooo toddle off back to your happy place full of flowers and bunnies.. no room for you here..

OH! But you and Croix DO have something in common, though.. /nod

You're both cuntwaffles.

[Felicite]

Originally posted by Fyrelle@Apr 26 2006, 09:16 AM
What Scar does with accounts is his own damn business.. as long as it doesn't interfere with my gameplay I don't give a flying fuck... I don't care if he's sold enough accounts to buy a football team or a 300 acre estate in Beverly Hills.. It's NOT MY BUSINESS and should not be ANY OF YOURS... If it bugs you that much, go vent on your Livejournal or Myspace.. but don't go trashing my guild OR my guildmates based on what our guildleader does on his own fucking time.... Sure, we all know he does it, big fucking deal... I'm here for the game, not to judge people on their doings.
I bet you take 14 items in the 12 item lane at the store.. don't you!

For the record, I was explaining that there are people that have hated Exxy since before I started playing on FV, and when he was connected to Scarar.. that feeling transfered to Fire and Fury, for those people.

Frankly I think the vast majority of those people are gone. And I never said I was one of them. And even if I was, I am gone.. so fuck me.

And, Ckador, rocking good picture. Saved for future use. Thanks.

[Fyrelle]

Originally posted by Felicite@Apr 26 2006, 04:45 PM

I bet you take 14 items in the 12 item lane at the store.. don't you!
Usually I get my groceries delivered unless my legs decide they'll work for me so no, I can't say I do.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Fyrelle@Apr 26 2006, 04:16 PM
Oh, we are so not cuddly..
Well... I'm a little cuddly. I wouldn't mind some lovin' once in a while. Maybe just a snuggle after a hard wipe? What about that time you played with my hair after... never mind, I promised I wouldn't tell....

:lol:

I can't believe you said cuntwaffle on necrotalk. That's gold. This thread deserves a follow-up best of thread once we're done. I think "why don't you hum one of your soliloquoys on my ballsack?" and "You're both cuntwaffles" would make a tight run for #1.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Felicite@Apr 26 2006, 04:45 PM
so fuck me
Fel always leaves the good quotes! :P

[Brahman]

Wow. =) There are some really, really good things in this thread, and I didn't even put half of them there myself! I'd really love to be able to sort of nurture them all, to tend each and every little subthread as it spawns and leave no one of them behind, but I'm starting to think that it's probably beyond me. I'll see what I can do, though. Today does not afford me the excellent set of opportunities for posting as did yesterday, but a modicum of dialogue should be possible.

so, is there not enough to respond to or to much to respond to?

fucking idiots.

But seriously ... you didn't really pointedly ask me to elaborate on what my beef with FnF was.

actually it was asked at least 2 times, prolly 3 or 4...

Oh, sure, embedded in the body of your text is a request along those lines, but since I'm making a point out of determining specifically what has you so irked, I don't think you can righteously seethe as you claim I deliberately obfuscate intent and communication without also making your utmost to be nothing but crystal clear.

so you who oh so loves to muddy the water with large words, self contradictions, and in general over use of a thesaurus is going to acuse him of not being direct? Jesus you are a bone head.

[Warspite]

The Doctor admits:
Warspite, I'm ready for the cure, I think this disease is making me irritable lately ;)

And I am feeling conciliatory. *tosses Doc the hypo*

Go in peace, brotha! :)

[Warspite]

Oh, and hello Fyrelle. Welcome to NT. This is beginning to feel like old home day with all the FV folk and FV talk. All I need now is Kurley to show up and flame everyone and my trip down memory lane will be complete. :)

[Fyrelle]

LOL! Kurley... been ages =)

.. and thank you /bow.

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Archonia+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Archonia)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Schaeffer, that's a grand effort, you have my appreciation! Not quite sure how you feel I contradicted myself, but I'm sure your explanation is imminent. [/b]

Incoming imminent explanation:

Originally posted by Archonia+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Archonia)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Maybe you really are just idealistic or a touch naive... ...There IS a stereotype, and my point was really just that people's lives are short, so stereotypes are helpful and convenient.[/b]

You accuse someone else of being naive, yet you believe stereotypes are helpful and convenient...

Originally posted by dictionary.com
Main Entry: stereotype
Function: noun
: something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : an often oversimplified or biased mental picture held to characterize the typical individual of a group —ste·reo·typ·i·cal /"ster-E-&-'tip-i-k&l/ also ste·reo·typ·ic /-ik/ adjective


Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stereotype): Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Let me repeat, a stereotype is a "biased mental picture"

<!--QuoteBegin-dictionary.com@
bias
noun
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment .
An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice .
A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others. [/quote]

You used the word, yet:
<!--QuoteBegin-Inigo Montoya
I do not think it means what you think it means. (http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?Princess_Bride=thatword.mp3)[/quote]

By definition, a stereotype is a biased opinion, which means it's unfair, prejudicial and inhibits impartial judgement. Now explain to me how calling a stereotype helpful and convenient is not a contradiction in itself! The burden of proof is now on you my lady.

[Darkeeyes]

This is almost better then a good movie...........Popcorn anyone :D

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

Originally posted by Fyrelle+Apr 26 2006, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fyrelle @ Apr 26 2006, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Archonia@Apr 26 2006, 01:45 PM
talking so bad about FnF when really they're the bestest cuddly peoplefriends
Oh, we are so not cuddly..

What sickens me is you constantly equating child molestation with a guild in A GAME.

What Scar does with accounts is his own damn business.. as long as it doesn't interfere with my gameplay I don't give a flying fuck... I don't care if he's sold enough accounts to buy a football team or a 300 acre estate in Beverly Hills.. It's NOT MY BUSINESS and should not be ANY OF YOURS... If it bugs you that much, go vent on your Livejournal or Myspace.. but don't go trashing my guild OR my guildmates based on what our guildleader does on his own fucking time.... Sure, we all know he does it, big fucking deal... I'm here for the game, not to judge people on their doings.

I joined FnF because I want to progress... and this is wrong because... ? Because why? Because Scar makes some bucks off of people who retire? Did you ever stop to think that when he buys accounts from other high level players, some of the gear is removed and placed in our guild bank for apps? And no, we don't make them give the gear back if they don't make the cut... Yeah, that's really a sign of a corrupted guild, isn't it? What a bunch of mean bastards we are... raising people's HP and Mana pools by 5k and then not asking for the items back...

You either need to score some really good weed or a really good fuck... But you really need to vent in other ways than 1) on a forum you don't belong on for 2) a class you don't play and 3) about a guild you know really NOTHING about except 'the bad things'.. Sooooo toddle off back to your happy place full of flowers and bunnies.. no room for you here..

OH! But you and Croix DO have something in common, though.. /nod

You're both cuntwaffles. [/b][/quote]
Cuntwaffle, along with dicktoaster cumcake and various other terms for genitalia are copyrighted by Aeternalis Inc.


I expect my royalties to be in the mail. :lol:

[Lylith]

do you accept pennies ;) :ph34r:

[Fyrelle]

Actually I don't have to pay royalties now.. we have an .. umm.. understanding ;)

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

Nope, but i do accept sexual favors and believe me Fyrelle has already paid in full! :lol:

[Fyrelle]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Now EVERYONE will want some..

*mutters* big mouth..

/bonk

[Schaeffer]

I can see why Xis started this (http://www.necrotalk.com/index.php?showtopic=5860) thread now...