Why... why, why, why?

[Maeryn]

So, I talked to Sauruman in a pm about this, and he suggested I post my ah... grievance, i guess... here. From what I understand, judging by the fact that the stats on this are different from Lucy to Alla to Magelo to what I actually see in-game, I'm guessing this has already been changed since it first started to drop--the focus power has gone up (it's now 35% mana pres. for Dread Pyre) and the skill mod was added... what I don't get is, why did they pick Specialize Evocation? It has nothing to do with the focus. Why not Specialize Alteration? Maybe there's some obvious reason I'm not thinking of? Either way, *I*, personally, would prefer Specialize Alteration, since that would also include lifetaps and more of our other commonly used spells, and actually fit in line with the focus--also, it would make this more on par with the difficulty of the event it drops from, imo (yeah, I'm also still comparing it to Mark of the Grave Finder, I don't care what the devs said!). Sauruman, this is supposed to be your field of expertise, and you told me to post here, so I'm asking ya to find out!

Blighted Teardrop Necklace
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: NECK
AC: 35
Skill Mod: Specialize Evocation +12% /boggle
DEX: +25 STA: +20 CHA: +25 INT: +30 HP: +320 MANA: +340
SV DISEASE: +25 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +25 SV POISON: +25
Avoidance: +15
Required level of 70.
Focus: Blood of the Spire
WT: 1.0 Size: SMALL
Class: NEC
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 8

Btw, this isn't really a grievance so much as a wtf did they do that?

[Xislaben]

It should be alt or conj.

I swear, they have a dartboard for these tough decisions.

[Jebasiz]

LoL, I hope it's not indicative of things to come. Evocation for a necromancer is pretty stupid..maybe it's a joke?

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@May 1 2006, 11:22 AM
We don't use our undead evocation spells enough to warrant this mod on a neck.
Especially not on our class neck from DP :blink: Not that all class items should be better than anything else in the zone or anything, but, you would think that it would be more tailored to the class. Maybe I'm just being naive, but Evocation just doesn't do that for me :( Plus, if I can take the time to dye my robe to match my Epic, the least they can do is match the skill mod to the focus, I mean GEEZ people!

[sauruman]

At the stratics chat before last, this was stated:
Brannoc - *Sauruman* any chance the necromancer class item from demiplane can be looked at, considering another necklace from the zone is far superior?
Zajeer-Dev - A lot of the class specific items in Demiplane were not meant to trump other items in the zone. I don’t believe this is a necromancer specific issue. However, I will be making some minor adjustments (adding a mod, slightly adjusting AC, etc.) to a number of Demiplane class items to make them slightly more desirable.
Zajeer-Dev - I think a lot of folks have been trained to think that class specific items need to be the end all and be all for that specific zone in a zone (from the Vishimtar class items and epics, I’d imagine), but that doesn’t need to be the case. "
http://eq.stratics.com/content/hoclogs/20060322.php


The thing that troubles me is for many classes their DP class item is their best item for that slot in dodh. The devs seem to want to only go halfway in increasing modifiers on class items, but they are at least leaving room for debate.

Now what I'd like to hear from you guys is what form would you like to see our class item take. Things I've heard in the past include:
-Change focus from 35% MP to dread pyre to the focus on anguish BP, 25% MP to ancient lifetap
-Change focus to 60% to poison, fire, or magic
-Change Specialize to either alter or conjure since evocation is pretty worthless to us

No guarentee on action, but I'll definitely send this thread forward with highlights of ideas since our opinion was actively sought out.

[Jebasiz]

The anguish robe effect would be $$$$. Probably the least likely though.

At the very least have it spec alteration, FFS..evocation on a necro only item. Wizards better get goddamned alteration.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by sauruman@May 1 2006, 01:57 PM
Now what I'd like to hear from you guys is what form would you like to see our class item take. Things I've heard in the past include:
-Change focus from 35% MP to dread pyre to the focus on anguish BP, 25% MP to ancient lifetap
-Change focus to 60% to poison, fire, or magic
-Change Specialize to either alter or conjure since evocation is pretty worthless to us
I'll happily take any of the above! But those are tough choices to put in any kind of order. I think the Azure gloves already have a 60% fire focus, but that would probably be my first choice. Second would be change the MP to Orshilak (as long as they keep it at 35%--why drop it down just to match the Anguish bp?). My last choice would be change the skill mod to Specialize Alteration so we'll actually use it once in a blue moon :ph34r:

[Brahman]

I'm not up there so...

is there something i'm missing on why we would not like the 35% dread pyre mana savings?

[KB1]

Originally posted by Brahman@May 2 2006, 07:40 AM
I'm not up there so...

is there something i'm missing on why we would not like the 35% dread pyre mana savings?
Thats not the issue.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Brahman@May 2 2006, 02:40 AM
I'm not up there so...

is there something i'm missing on why we would not like the 35% dread pyre mana savings?
It's not that the DP mana pres. sucks--It's higher than my other MP so I'm seeing it go off... my question was why did they put Specialize Evocation on a class neck for a class that doesn't really use that skill all that much? I mean it's an exaggeration, but it's kinda like putting a damage focus on the BP of Superior Divinity. Also, a lot of people feel that the item just isn't on par with the other class items from previous expansions. Maybe I'm wrong, or way off... I have no idea, I'm just putting it out there to see what everyone else thinks.

[Xelgadis]

The focus on it is fine. The skill mod blows ass in about every way possible, make it Specialize Alteration. The mods (or general lack thereof) need help. The item in general is arguably a downgrade over the Assistant Researcher Symbol, an item that's a few expansions old now, it's not even remotely on par with the Vishimtar class item. The belt from Redfang blows in the same regard too, to be quite honest.

Demi-Plane itemization sucks in general, it's not all about hp/mana. For plate classes, most of the Fallen Saint gear is a downgrade over Anguish, when you start looking at mods. Diplomat is pretty well rounded, as far as mods go, but the foci aren't well rounded for the classes that can wear them. With a few exceptions, non-visible slots generally suck, in regards to mods. Spell/Dot Shielding used to be readily available on several items, now people are forced to select their upgrades wisely regarding those mods as raid encounter effects (be it procs or AEs) are designed with 35% Spell/Dot Shielding in mind.

[Brahman]

I fully agree i just don't understand why people are even suggesting the possibility of changing that at all?

that is fucking huge on that spell.

the +% is seriously fucked up though. might as well have made it +47853648534 end

[Mallakith]

omg i dont believe im going to agree with brahman :)

I concur... focus is fine keep the focus lose evoc and change it to alteration or conjuration, I think either will be far more welcome to the community as a whole...

I got to admit im not fully up on the "parity" argument but again if a quest neck from GoD is better theres an issue to be fixed...

I understand that class items arent the "shizznits" all the time but you've got to make them at least desirable.