Research PRoblem/Question

[forsakenn]

Hello. I am a lvl 20 necro and getting started in research. ATM I am attempting to do this via the Practice Runes route. I have had no problem except now I am at skill lvl 16. I am trying to combine the following:

Aprentice Azia - Hematite, Bixie Wing, Froglok Eye
Apprentice Beza - Cats Eye Agate, Large Snake Rattle, Any Rusty Piercing or Bludgeoning Weapon


Each of which trivials at 41. As I stated my skill is at 16, but I am getting the message of "you can no longer advance in this..." Why would I be getting this message if my skill level is only at 16? Yes, I have checked and rechecked to make sure I have all components correct. Thanks for any help in this.

Also, is there any better way to skill up? :huh:

[Taiglin]

Hit the guild hall and train up to ~20. Know it is only 4 points at this point. Would check out EQTraders.com. I want to say my path was using DoD so you need that. Make vials of pure water and then oil of (whatever it is). The water has a triv of 54 and the oil has a triv of ~100. This wont be especially cheap (well it is cheap as far as that goes but everything is relative). At a skill of 97 get a geerlock quill which pumps your skill over 101 allowing you to get the advanced book from LoY. The next ~40 pts are great/easy doing LoY combines. It is important to note though that you can only do them in the LoY quest container. They do require a dropped component but was able to find many in the baz for under 10pp/ea. Some under 5pp ea. That peters out ~132 skill with the LoY dropps becoming more expensive. From there I guess you could do a couple things. I am/was usually on the lookout for the following words in the baz for cheap. Would collect for a couple weeks and then do the combines in a batch.

Triv 142 (words of:)
Cazic-Thule
Projection
the Spectre

Triv 162 (words of:)
Collection (Caza)
Obligation
-
the Psyche
Burnishing

Triv 182 (words of:)
Grappling
Odus
-
Aquisition (Beza)
Requisition
-
of the Ethereal
-
Crippling Force

(note the last 2 are 1 word combines)

Would really recommend going now to the lady outside of FP to get the research trophy quest. There are various stages of this quest based on your skill. It will be MUCH eaiser to do this now then later. It will also evolve with your skill so throw it in your range slot and forget about it. There is a general store bought way to the 240s-250s skill but from what I read it will cost on the order of 200k to go from just under a skill of 200 to that range. Beyond that it is to buy what words you can to continue to make spells the old fashion way.

eqtraders.com is your friend

[nethyia]

Research formula to determine cap at level is funky, IIRC. You might be at the cap, which is why you can't advance anymore.

[Ewasx]

Originally posted by nethyia@May 6 2006, 04:38 PM
Research formula to determine cap at level is funky, IIRC. You might be at the cap, which is why you can't advance anymore.
afaik, once you hit 16, you can skill up to 300. There are no more level based tradeskill caps.

[hughman]

DOn't know if they changed things recently but it used to be level capped, witht he formula binb someihting like (level *5) -20.

I am pretty sure that when you get the skill and train it right away you end up above the level cap. Wait a level or two to work on it.

Loketh on Prexus.

[nethyia]

Found another post that says when they raised research to max 300, they did away with caps.

Now are you getting the "cannot increase this skill with this combine" message when making the azia and beza, or when combining them together for the practice rune? Making the Azia and Beza are nofail combines. The trivial of 41 is for the final combine Apprentice Rune (complete).

[Xislaben]

Don't make that crap, make this crap:
Vial Of Pure Water (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20928&menustr=035000000000) - triv 54 (all vendor bought)

Then some relatively easy 102 triv items:
Aqua Regia (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20929&menustr=080105900000)
Aqua Fortis (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20933&menustr=080105900000)
Vial of Muraic Acid (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20930&menustr=080105900000)
Oil of Vitrol (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20932&menustr=080105900000)

And then some not-so-cheap but easy items:
Parchment Solution (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20922&menustr=) - triv 144
Fine Parchment Solution (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20923&menustr=) - triv 174
Velium Parchment Solution (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20924&menustr=) - triv 203
Fine Velium Parchment Solution (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20925&menustr=) - triv 216
Runic Parchment Solution (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=20926&menustr=) - triv 243

We can now also make some formerly enc-only combines:
Vial Of Viscous Mana (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=1447&menustr=080105900000) - triv 102
Vial Of Cloudy Mana (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=4950&menustr=080105900000) - triv 126
Vial Of Clear Mana (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=1445&menustr=) - triv 151
Vial Of Distilled Mana (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=2100&menustr=) - triv 176
Vial Of Purified Mana (http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=1446&menustr=) - triv 200

[nethyia]

An additional guide to Xislaben's post: Keep everything you make from the 102 trivial list. They are used for solutions. No sense doing those combines again when they won't raise your skill any.