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plastikmelter
06-08-2006, 08:26 AM
well im up to 325AAs now and after 12 more i'll have all 3 ranks of soul thief. magelo is in my sig and it is current with my AAs. if you cant see it for some reason, i have all the "bare neccesities" i would say. LR5, all crit lines maxed including destructive fury, all dot crits maxed, lifeburn, instant invis (and undead), SM2, AA FD, and GoM3 of the notable ones.

i do raid 4 days a week but i think i have the raiding AAs covered. im leaning either to go for stats cap increase or mess around with stuff for the pet. i keep hearing how nice pet affinity and persistent minion are but i cant see it being anything more than a bit more covienence. i suppose at some point i'll point some more effort into avoidance lines as ive noticed the difference in LR5 and really like it.

i know one day when im looking for a cheap thrill i'll buy the first rank of the archers just for kicks (i know the damage sucks but its only 3AA)

any ideas, comments, concerns, warnings? thanks yall!

Schaeffer
06-08-2006, 09:19 AM
Secondary Forte will also help save you some more mana. Aotd is alway fun, and sometimes can be useful.

I'm assuming you have the extra spell slot already?

plastikmelter
06-08-2006, 09:32 AM
ya i have the extra spell slot and the first rank of aotd. i just cant really justify spending 6AAs on the next rank just yet for 1 more corpse to wake, all in time i suppose....

hadnt thought about secondary forte, sounds like a good option though. i need to kick it back into high gear and get the 69 dodh spell and start winning some runes for the 70 poison dot also. i have all 3 ranks of pet FD too, very useful for me since it allows me to be a little bit more careless with my pet.

Mordred
06-08-2006, 03:13 PM
I'd knock out combat stability and combat innate defnese next. Can stop there but it will make a difference also.

Pet afinity is one of the more useful aa. You mentioned you like being able ot be ab it carleess with the pet with pet fd well affinity lets you be even more careless. It's nice not to have your pet die in groups if mob does turn on it for a few seconds... group conviction and wunshi definitly adds to it's life expectancy.

I'd finish soul thief also. At that point I'd knock out secondary forte and then move on to finish all the way through dod for both sets of defensives. Then I'd go back and knock out the wtd line and then more on to mc3, the aa where yo ucan max out ft, then move onto stat ones like planar power and chaotic potential etc... Should be set till about 500-600aa then.

GnekroeGnomicon
06-08-2006, 03:42 PM
Outside of what the others have already said, also think about your pet crits/flurries aa's. They don't make a huge difference but every little bit helps :)

Also, on the "6 aas for the second rank of AotD" remember it also extends the duration of the aa so now you have 2 corpses for a longer period of time. I love army for many reasons, one of my favorite aas.

Felicite
06-08-2006, 03:55 PM
I did all the INT and Planar Power type stuff around 300 AA (+/- 100 AA). The cap raising ones. In my experience they provided a tidy boost to mana pool (compared to having none).

Innate Stat ones.. I had only bought STA by 850 AA (and I wish I hadn't.. my gear caught up).

If you are feeling you are out of AA to buy.. do you have:

all DPS AA (Pets, DoTs, DD, Lifetaps, Swarm Pets, Lifeburn).

all Defensive AA (avoidance and mitigation).

all Pet AA (cept the no casting one) (suspend, persist, behavior, mending and hastening)

Utilities (Run, Shadows, Call to Corpse for that once a year, Flesh to Bone, Secondary Forte, Channeling)

All Regen.. FT cap raising..

I figured I had about 100 more semi useful AA (at 850) before I started buying tradeskill masteries and all the innate stats (and/or just filling each tab for the sake of finishing each tab).

shraklor
06-08-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm pretty close to where you are, besides the basics my goals were/are

DPS ( DoT and DD ) - done

* defense ( avoid then mitigate ) - should take me into 400 easy
crit heals ( need to max )
regen
finish pet toys ( AotD and SoD)

at this point the next expansion should be out so rest will depend on what they offer. As far as stat's, with Wunshi the only stat not maxxed is STR/AGI and who cares about that. I only have Innate Enlightenment, and Planar Power ( about 400 mana ).


* == working on now

Mordred
06-08-2006, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by shraklor@Jun 8 2006, 01:07 PM
I'm pretty close to where you are, besides the basics my goals were/are

DPS ( DoT and DD ) - done

* defense ( avoid then mitigate ) - should take me into 400 easy
crit heals ( need to max )
regen
finish pet toys ( AotD and SoD)

at this point the next expansion should be out so rest will depend on what they offer. As far as stat's, with Wunshi the only stat not maxxed is STR/AGI and who cares about that. I only have Innate Enlightenment, and Planar Power ( about 400 mana ).


* == working on now
I'd personally wait on regen for a bit considering that equipment will give you enough to offset lich anyway.

Until you start hitting 700+ there's plenty of other useful aa to get.

Felicite
06-08-2006, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by Mordred@Jun 8 2006, 12:17 PM
I'd personally wait on regen for a bit considering that equipment will give you enough to offset lich anyway.

With all regen AA done, and capped worn regen, and a touch of shielding.. I was gaining 2 HP/tick with 70 Glowing Muramite Rune Lich. Not even the red skellie.

So.. I needed it all. YMMV. You might have a Shaman with you always.. for example.. =p

Mordred
06-08-2006, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Felicite+Jun 8 2006, 03:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Felicite @ Jun 8 2006, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mordred@Jun 8 2006, 12:17 PM
I'd personally wait on regen for a bit considering that equipment will give you enough to offset lich anyway.

With all regen AA done, and capped worn regen, and a touch of shielding.. I was gaining 2 HP/tick with 70 Glowing Muramite Rune Lich. Not even the red skellie.

So.. I needed it all. YMMV. You might have a Shaman with you always.. for example.. =p [/b][/quote]
It's true I do but something doesn't sound quite right there.

I seem to remember being at max regen with only the first 3 regen aa and not losing anything with 70 lich and even gaining some. I think just now with grave pact I lose a few regen a tick so I'll have to check it out. I don't pay much attention ebcause your right I do have a shaman around if I choose but the other thign is the loss was so minimal that I might have to lifetap dot every 10 minutes or so and at that point wh ocares?

I just know that up until about 500aa roughly I had no problem choosing some very useful aa. And regen was not on the top of the list. I'm just now going to be starting those after I pick up a few thigns I skipped over the years like maybe call to corpse and flesh to bone.

Xislaben
06-08-2006, 09:21 PM
AFAIK, PVP on blue server rules player detrimental spells/dots only do 2/3rd damage max or some shit. So take 1/3 off the lich hp damage. Then take off x % for dot shielding that you have. Whatever's left is what you want to out regen.

Grave Pact:
7: Decrease Hitpoints by 89 per tick

89 * 2/3 * 1 = 59.33 (assuming 0% dot shielding)
89 * 2/3 * 0.65 = 38.56 (assuming 35% dot shielding)

Dark Posession:
7: Decrease Hitpoints by 85 per tick

85 * 2/3 * 1 = 56.66 (assuming 0% dot shielding)
85 * 2/3 * 0.65 = 36.83 (assuming 35% dot shielding)

Non-Iksar max worn regen w/aa's 63/66
Ikar max worn regen w/aa's 75/81

+10 regen from AA for 24AA:
Innate Regeneration 1/1/1
Convalescence 3/3
Healthy Aura 3/3/3/3/3