Pet foci question

[Deplorable]

Does the pet power increase only work while the foci item is equiped? Or do you only have to have it equiped when you cast the pet to get the bonus permanetly for that pet?

[Schaeffer]

It works when you cast, after you cast it it's free and clear, I have my focus on my 1.0 which I don't equipe unless I'm casting a pet.

[nethyia]

You only have to have it equiped when summoning the pet. So swapping out the pet focus item for something with better stats is fine.

edit: darn schaeffer, or my horrible typing ability and the obsessiveness to fix my typos.

[Deplorable]

cool thnx for replies, i been lookin around for the info on that and couldn't find it, figured i'd post here.

[Jebasiz]

Wearing a pet focii makes you summon a completely different minion. IE you're not summoning Dark Assasin anymore you're summoning Dark Assasin.a(b/c/d/e) pending your worn focus. After that you can remove the focus. You'll still have your new/different pet.

[Maeryn]

I've always wondered about this. Can you define "different"? I just got the Vermilion Batfur Sash, but I have no clue what that focus actually DOES. What the heck does "Pet Power Increase" mean? More hps? More damage? I don't see any kind of a message when I summon my pet now either, is that normal?

http://static.flickr.com/61/184038343_85fb4d0062_o.jpg

[Schaeffer]

Jeb actually posed this question to our CC and I think he's going to try and pass it to the Devs. Right now, AFAIK that information is not known to the public.

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Schaeffer@Jul 7 2006, 08:28 AM
Jeb actually posed this question to our CC and I think he's going to try and pass it to the Devs. Right now, AFAIK that information is not known to the public.
T'is true, I did that! I ask alot of questions..get few answers. I still keep trying!

[Schaeffer]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Jul 7 2006, 10:12 AM
I still keep trying!
http://www.33-13.com/pics/energizer_bunny.jpg

[Jebasiz]

A lizard has to earn a living somehow!

[Xebitikz]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Jul 7 2006, 11:19 AM
A lizard has to earn a living somehow!
http://www.be.wvu.edu/divecon/econ/trumbull/cuba/whore.jpg

[Brahman]

just from observation

pet power gives...

more hps
better regen?
makes the pet a bit larger
higher max hit

[nethyia]

And can increase the level of the pet, don't it?

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by nethyia@Jul 8 2006, 04:31 AM
And can increase the level of the pet, don't it?
Along with any number of other possibilities, like increasing AC, other stats (if they have any)...

HP and Regen and Max hit and Level are all directly observable and easily confirmable, things like AC for instance would take some parsing to conclude, or a nice dev saying wtf it really does.

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Xislaben+Jul 8 2006, 07:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xislaben @ Jul 8 2006, 07:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nethyia@Jul 8 2006, 04:31 AM
And can increase the level of the pet, don't it?
Along with any number of other possibilities, like increasing AC, other stats (if they have any)...

HP and Regen and Max hit and Level are all directly observable and easily confirmable, things like AC for instance would take some parsing to conclude, or a nice dev saying wtf it really does. [/b][/quote]
Which is why I asked..The other stuff a monkey can see. The ac, atk rating improvements, dmg bonus(if any) given to weapons they innately seem to have(htf does it backstab with that big reaver/harvester when I never see a piercing atk?). There's a slew of questions I'd like answers, if for nothing else to satisfy my own curiousity..although at least a handfull seem to share that curiousity.

[Brahman]

Originally posted by nethyia@Jul 7 2006, 11:31 PM
And can increase the level of the pet, don't it?
yes i had forgotten that one since all i ever see it is being DB :)

[Jebasiz]

A big thank you to Kirium of Cestus Dei for the following information.

The 45 means nothing, other than that pet focus is better than one with a lesser number.

You can't see pet's hp levels, though you can of course figure it out pretty accurately by various methods. The DPS gain with pet foci, at least for mage pets so I assume necro and BST aswell but those classes would have to parse it, is similar to what damage you would gain from a similar level DD foci (after allowing for the randomness).

The DPS gain pet focus for each foci over base mage pet is:
Summoners Boon: 8%
Minion of Darkness: 13%
Minion of Eternity: 15%
Ritual Summoning: 18%
Minion of Discord: 20%
Servant of Chaos: 23%
Spire Servant: 30%

One thing I noticed when testing Spire Servant during PoR beta though was that Servant of Chaos was doing 27% over base DPS rather than the 23% I got in the original tests (post pet dps change) in June 2005.

Anyway the above is what was intended (information was directly from Rytan and pets where underperforming slightly until June 2005). You also gain (mage pets again not sure on necro/bst ones) some increase in mitigation (on order of 1% reduction in mob mean hit per pet foci) with each foci, along with the modest HP gains.

[Punizyer]

Where do we get the pet focus items?

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Punizyer@Jul 18 2006, 07:42 PM
Where do we get the pet focus items?
http://www.necrotalk.com/index.php?showtopic=5894

linkies

[Punizyer]

Ty, I had looked at the other parts of the site "After" I posted. My good. Thanks again.

[hughman]

A long while ago I saw a post form the dev in charge of the pet focus items. The context was an analysis of the scaling of the focus for the pet and so on. One thing the dev said stuck in my mind, mostly because it showed how short sighted they were when they made the pet focuses IMNHO.

Basically when you summon a focused pet, you summon a different mob entirely, In essence you don't summon and orc, you summon an orc legionairre. This really struck me as dumb, as it makes scaling the pet focus really really hard, since if they alter the amount of focus they have to redesign all the focused pets for all 3 classes. This is why there is a minimum level to the focus as well. You can't focus the level 48 pet we all love to pul with, for instance. It also explains why you only need to have the focus on you when you cast the spell, and not afterwards.

Loketh on Prexus.