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Jorrath
02-12-2004, 03:19 PM
Okay, first let me ask that this not turn into a thread about what race necro is better than ther others... Everyone has thier favorites, and yadda yadda- you're all right...

I play on the Firona Vie roleplaying server. I made a Gnome Necromancer, Basically because it had about the best starting faction I could get and still see in the dark... But trying to roleplay a gnome with the sheer number of Gnome haters in the game is really starting to irk me.

It's also become pretty clear that with Plane of Knowledge travel, there's no reason to care about faction requirements to shop for food or trade skill or whatever...

I'm not interested in being a human or Erudite model, and the stat diference between a Dark elf and a Gnome is not significant enough to consider rerolling for.

With the EXP penalty, is the Iksar Regen really that helpful? If we (nercos) need hitpoints, we take them. What advantage (apart from height) would an Iksar Necromancer have over a Gnome Necromancer at high, mid or low levels?

Salizarr
02-12-2004, 03:31 PM
I guess this depends on a few things...

First, who cares if they all hate gnomes (i don't). If that's what you want to roleplay, then go ahead and just do it...It's not like, as a necromancer, you will be needing people's help or approval to go anywhere.

Second, it depends on how much time you already put into your gnome. If you're in your 30's and have time to play, give iksars a go. Getting to 30 is really fast nowadays....

Third, and this is my opinion, iksar makes better necro overall, be it for powergamers or for roleplayers. We worship Chazic-Thul!!!! We are evil and we are powerful. That fits very nicely into the necromancer role....I tend to see gnome necros as white necros of some sort :P

When i first played EQ (back in 1999) i also started as a gnome necro due to faction and many other things that are non-existant today and i would not raise a gnome necro today.

Sal

Antilight
02-12-2004, 03:39 PM
Sal makes very good points.

It boils down to this. Are you going to let the gnomehaters control the way you play? If you reroll, then that is exactly what you are doing (if you do it for that reason).

However, if you don't want to play a gnome for your own personal reasons, then by all means reroll and have at it. It's your play time, not theirs. Go with what is fun for you! :D


Antilight :ph34r:

Origomali
02-12-2004, 03:55 PM
My 2 coppers:

I agree with Salizarr...who cares if there are Gnome haters on your server. Gnomes are the brunt of most jokes on all the EQ servers...just because they are short and look like a stuffed toy.

That being said, some of the best EQers out there play Gnomes as their mains and deal with the jokes mainly by showing how good they are at playing their toons. My first Necro Mentor was a Gnome I met in Nek when I was merely level 6 and what he taught me helped quite a bit....and his attitude and un-selfish nature is something I practice to this day, remembering that I am passing on his legacy of kindness and the true Spirit of the game.

I play a DE Necro only because, when I first started this game many moons ago, all my friends griped about me wanting to play a DE while they all roled Druids and Rangers....they considered the faction issue as too great a hurdle back then (as it was) and talked me out of playing a Dark Race. I could still be on my former main, probably raiding Time by now if I stayed on that server, but I have had too much fun just being a Necro.....regardless of race.

Go with your heart
Go with what you are comfortable with
Prove others wrong through your efforts and abilities if they criticize
Play the game and have fun

Annlee
02-12-2004, 04:06 PM
I'm not interested in being a human or Erudite model,

Erudites get no love what so ever. Makes me sad in a way. In any case, you need to play what makes you happy. Thats what really matters....

Nigyl
02-12-2004, 04:14 PM
Just play the Gnome and tell people you're an Iksar :).

Fizzleplink
02-12-2004, 04:59 PM
You're on FV, so think about your character's personality. How do you play him? Quiet and studious? Kinda carefree? Dry and acerbic? A powerful member of a culture that's finally breathing free after centuries of ruthless oppression?

Pick a race that'd lend itself to how you play. Frankly, Erudites aren't that bad: our lich line compensates for their blindness. Likewise, later lich forms compensate for the sheer deformity of their foreheads, and make iksar downright bearable.

Seriously, though... could you imagine me as an iksar, or Jeb as a gnome? Me-as-Fizzy wouldn't last 10 minutes in Cabilis, and all that ticking would drive Jeb nuts in about 10 seconds.

Oh, and besides: I don't think I could handle having a cloaca. http://fool.exler.ru/sm/minzdr.gif

Doomfir
02-12-2004, 06:14 PM
I would never start over for anyone other than myself. I don't care what anyone else thinks about my race; I care what I think about my race. I am very glad that there are different races of necromancers. If we were all gnome, DE, or iksar, how boring it would be!

Play what makes you happy... No innate abilities of any races, make or break the reason to play that race as a necromancer. In the upper end of the game all gear makes things essentially equal. Have fun with your choice of race and class.

Schaeffer
02-12-2004, 06:45 PM
It is all up to your own personal judgement. All we can do is tell you what we like about our pwn characters. You may like an Erudite for the bigger mana Pool. You may like an ikky for the regen, you may like a gnome for tinkering, and you may like a DE cause man there's just something about a chick with blue skin (Yes, I have sick smurfette fantasies, j/k).

Everyone is pretty much right, no races benefits would make or break the class in the high end game. Pre-Luclin I could see why some would want to for faction reasons or something but if you like a race for roleplaying reasons then stick with that one.

Jorrath
02-12-2004, 07:33 PM
Thanks everyone for the responses...

When i first played EQ (back in 1999) i also started as a gnome necro due to faction and many other things that are non-existant today and i would not raise a gnome necro today.

That's when I was playing the first time and have only come back to EQ 3 weeks ago.

If you're in your 30's and have time to play, give iksars a go. Getting to 30 is really fast nowadays....

My Necro is only 26, so I knew if I was even gong to think about re-rolling that is would be the time...

I tend to see gnome necros as white necros of some sort

I actually Play Jorrath as a white Necro of sorts... I never play him mean, or endorse hate or fear... Gnomes worship Berty, so Jorrath is only interested in giving things a nice long lingering Death so they can enjoy the gifts of the Plaguebringer as much as he does... in other words- Jorrath is a Jolly Sadist...

I would never start over for anyone other than myself. I don't care what anyone else thinks about my race;

Trouble is, I agree with this - iksar makes better necro overall only I've never liked playing anything that resembled anyone else's character... So I was stuck pondering if being a gnome for the novelty of being a Jolly Fishing Baking Gnomish Necromancer or if I would have just been better off being a Lizzard...

I'll probably just take this peice of advise though Just play the Gnome and tell people you're an Iksar . That'll through people for a loop! lol

Again, thank you.

Fizzleplink
02-12-2004, 10:09 PM
Heh, even better. Have a friendly shaman whip up some fribbit potions, and do what I do: Tell them that there's a quest in Lower Guk that lets you be a fribbit Necromancer.

AnarchistsSins
02-13-2004, 03:58 PM
I personally have done both. I started on the nameless and made a gnome necro. I played for maybe a year and got him to 56 usually by soloing or LDoN. I switched over to Sullon zek last january and made an iksar necro. I have noticed the regen helps ALOT. I remember my little gnomes always dropped kinda fast, but with my iksar allure of death runs out before my nec gets to 70%. The exp penalty doesnt bother me too much because soloing makes up for it. I would recommend rerolling as an iksar simply because of the regen if the exp penalty doesnt bother you. And yea i agree that with the addition of PoP and SoL and the non kos zones to anyone have almost negated any REAL challenge of faction.

Doomfir
02-16-2004, 06:00 PM
I am not going to get into that iksar regen thing again... but to boil it down.. the innate regen of an iksar vs some other race don't mean squat in the upper end of the game.

Jebasiz
02-17-2004, 01:24 AM
I am not going to get into that iksar regen thing again... but to boil it down.. the innate regen of an iksar vs some other race don't mean squat in the upper end of the game.

While I don't want this re-hashed again, either...I would like to say, that I do love the 45ish hps I regen when I sit down. Seduction can hurt. As an iksar you can cast arch lich on yourself and afk, after you solo'd something and you find yourself oom, come back and be fm, and having a sandwhich and beer in your hand, while other classes, can't do that (with similar gear). Also on raids when your not killing stuff, and there isn't a bard playing regen, you don't have to click of SoS and reaply it when your actually done buffing and omg your finally gonna kill something. Racial regen (even high end) is something you can make a viable part of your playstyle and enjoy the benefit of it, or you pretend it's not there and neglect taking advantage of it (IE be a jackass).

Is one race better then another? No
Can regen change how you play the game and be an innate benefit? Yes
I don't think you'll find an iksar necromancer ever saying damn I picked the wrong race...I know I don't.
You do hear other races asking if they should be iksar though =))

Schaeffer
02-17-2004, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by Doomfir+Feb 16 2004, 02:00pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Doomfir @ Feb 16 2004, 02:00pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I am not going to get into that iksar regen thing again... but to boil it down.. the innate regen of an iksar vs some other race don't mean squat in the upper end of the game. [/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Feb 16 2004, 09:24 PM
Can regen change how you play the game and be an innate benefit?* Yes
I don't think you'll find an iksar necromancer ever saying damn I picked the wrong race...I know I don't.
You do hear other races asking if they should be iksar though =))[/quote]


The can of worms has been opened...

stukka
02-17-2004, 03:51 AM
Not to belabor the point, but my Iksar with a Sanguine Robe + Regen 3 can stay in SoS practically FOREVER; i.e. mana, mana, mana :D

Salizarr
02-17-2004, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by stukka@Feb 17 2004, 03:51 AM
Not to belabor the point, but my Iksar with a Sanguine Robe + Regen 3 can stay in SoS practically FOREVER; i.e. mana, mana, mana :D
/agree

Necro equation:

HP = MANA

REGEN = HP

therefore: REGEN = MANA

Pretty simple :)

And i agree with Jeb, i have never ever seen any threads going like: I rolled an iksar, should i have made a <fill in other necro races here>?

If you are so undecided to which you should make, create one of each race and play a bit and you can be the judge of this.

Sal

Doomfir
02-17-2004, 12:22 PM
Thing is there was never any argument over whether regen was worthwhile. There is plenty of regen gear out there that is good to have. The argument boils down to whether being an iksar and the little innate regen (vs any other race), makes that race the best race to play for a necromancer. It doesn't.

Sanguine robe + regen 3 is gear.. not innate regen.. stop using arguments like this to validate your race.. this is why the propagation of bullshit exists.

The reason there is confusion from people about what race to play and why they should reroll their char as an iksar, is that while people see the value in regen, they don't understand that in the upper end of the game the amount of hps regened being an iksar vs any other race turns to virtual insignificance. You only have to look at the numbers of SoS, and SK to see how little the INNATE regen value actually is in relation to these.

In haiti there are people who consult chicken bones for direction of their lives.. in EQ people worry about whether being an iksar is worth scrapping their char and starting over..

Jebasiz
02-17-2004, 12:50 PM
The reason there is confusion from people about what race to play and why they should reroll their char as an iksar, is that while people see the value in regen, they don't understand that in the upper end of the game the amount of hps regened being an iksar vs any other race turns to virtual insignificance. You only have to look at the numbers of SoS, and SK to see how little the INNATE regen value actually is in relation to these.

Doomfir, I wonder how you can call it insignificant without ever experiencing the regen an iksar has at 65. Is it hearsay, or something other people who aren't iksars just thought up on there on?

Sanguine robe + regen 3 is gear.. not innate regen.. stop using arguments like this to validate your race.. this is why the propagation of bullshit exists.

It's also not enough to cover SoS. That's EIGHT regen, 11 with regen 3, and 13 with covalensce.

For ease of reference:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=3311

13 does not equal 63. Neither does the 18 regen I have in gear, or the 21 with aa...but the 49 sitting regen I have is close enough to take the bite off of SoS when I or the group I'm with needs a break.

(since you brought up high end)
If it's so insignificant why does the Sanguine Robe drop in Vex Thall (previously end game content), it's not the 100hps or decent stats(that's available LONG before VT), it's the combination of those WITH the regen. It's also almost solely a necromancer loot...until they all get them. The barrier of freezing winds (time phase 5 innoruuk drop, once again end game content) Regen VII, and Quarm pants, ethereal silk leggings... INT caster only, regen 10 (END mob of PoP, the very last one). IF you get all three, AND regen augments at 1150 a pop in LDON, you'll come close to having 41-46 regen as a non iksar when your sitting down(pending AA's) Since worn regen is capped at 30..your stuck there, while iksar nation is getting around 60, AND if an iksar adds http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=22417 They gain life in SoS, and hang up SK, and use efficient dots for dmg. I wouldn't really call that insignificant.....

Please argue we use lifetaps for dps now....and thus don't need regen /yawn

Salizarr
02-17-2004, 01:09 PM
Always the high end game issue....

Have you thought how hard it is to get those high end game gear?
How much time must you invest on getting a good raiding guild, add the luck of an item drop and the luck of you winning the roll for it?

Sigh, it's just not that easy.

I really can't see any reason to neglect this bonus...

Sal

Doomfir
02-17-2004, 04:10 PM
Jeb, Sanquine robe is gear. My WHOLE point is that we are talking innate regen rate and it isnt that valid at 65. Yes.. it adds to the total regen amount etc.. but we are talking fractions here.. SK is healing at 225 or so a tick so what is 10hps a tick or so innate regen vs any other race compared to that?? It becomes irellavent at what you play at that point.

Gee I just got hit by a mob for 556x2 and my innate regen is going to make up how much of that difference in ANY meaningful time? It doesn't mean diddly.

Is it a slight hp increase? yeah.. but so is adding tainted breath to a mob who has 8000 hps. Think it means anything at that point? hardly.

My point at the higher end of the game is that is where hopefully everyone will eventually end up. Doesnt matter if you are in some high level raiding guild. You can get some good regen items through LDoN etc.. and don't have to be in a raiding guild to get some good stuff that more than makes up for the diff in your race. Play whatever you want in race and forget this useless ;kj argument that pops up ever couple of weeks..

Never mind that innate intellegence of an iksar is on par with the dumbest of the races and they have a 20% exp penalty, not to mention KoS in every single city but Cabilis. It is a one sided argument talking to people who just want to believe whatever they are spoon fed.

I liken the iksar regen deal to when I started a troll SK years ago for the troll regen. Yeah.. he was just like iksar regen and yeah.. it made a difference in the beginning. But it wasnt long before I didn't notice the regen because the mobs started hitting so much harder and I had over 3000 hitpoints. My regen rate at that point was limited to downtime advances and even then very slow by natural heal since I had no other regen gear on. I came to the conclusion at that time the only thing that made a difference in a race for the higher end of the game were abilities that could not be duplicated with gear.

Ogre's for example as shaman or tanks.. they can't be stunned from the front. This innate ability can't be duplicated with gear as there is nothing that is anti-stun gear. It makes the race the only sensible race when talking their classes. Shamman's cant get stunned from the front.. How important you think that is to a caster? How about main tank?

Well, there is plenty of regen gear and there is plenty of Int gear.. play whatever the hell you want and be happy. Next person who starts an iksar regen thread gets a wooden stake through the heart. :-)

Nephintun
02-17-2004, 04:11 PM
Jebasiz talks about some important points. I have never come across an Iksar Necromancer who had second thoughts about his race.

Im in love with my Necromancer but most of all Im in love with my race. Except for role playing reasons there is no better race than Iksar at any stage in the game.

The real question is, is it worth the experience penalty ? However that is a question only the player can answer.

Play whatever makes you happier and good luck with your decision.

Nephintun Nocturni
Necromancer of Firiona Vie

Salizarr
02-17-2004, 04:45 PM
Jeb, Sanquine robe is gear. My WHOLE point is that we are talking innate regen rate and it isnt that valid at 65. Yes.. it adds to the total regen amount etc.. but we are talking fractions here.. SK is healing at 225 or so a tick so what is 10hps a tick or so innate regen vs any other race compared to that?? It becomes irellavent at what you play at that point.
Yes, this is true if you fight 100% of the time you are on and/or have never had problems with pulls or spells being interrupted or spells being resisted or you getting dispelled, etc.

I think that every now and then, every caster must sit down and med a bit....I know i do, and whenever we are in that situation, regen does make a difference. I am not saying that i'm constantly out of mana (which is not true) but everynow and then, when things go a bit bad on my side i have to med. That's just one of the few situations i can think of to pinpoint the "usefullness" of regeneration.

Never mind that innate intellegence of an iksar is on par with the dumbest of the races and they have a 20% exp penalty, not to mention KoS in every single city but Cabilis. It is a one sided argument talking to people who just want to believe whatever they are spoon fed.
Int is way easier to raise and get gears with bonus to it than regen.
I really haven't even felt this KoS part as of yet. The only time i had to go through a city i just invised myself. After PoP this is not an issue (and can be fixed with faction quests, so not really worth comparing).
The 20% exp is really no biggie for us soloers, it's not even noticeable.

I know this arguments won't get us anywhere really...
But as a player who has played non-iksar necros and currently playing an ikky i know what's best for me.
If a starting necro who is undecided about which race to choose and is not particularly attached or in love with a specific race, i tell that player to go iksar.

Besides, if regen wasn't really all that helpful, there wouldn't be that many regen items being sought after and neither would these cost a lot of LDoN points or be drops from tough raid mobs.....

But i /agree that this subject is getting old, but we can't help it, there is always someone starting a new character everyday :)

Sal

Skulmar
02-17-2004, 05:30 PM
.. play whatever the hell you want and be happy.
Exactly! It's a game, who cares what race you pick. Pick the one that is going to make the game enjoyable to YOU. Next thread please.

Doomfir
02-17-2004, 05:44 PM
Salizarr they got Vengence 1 items too in the game.. you know how much added dmg that adds up to in the scheme of dmg? nada. And when I meant high end of the game I mean level 62+ and specifically 65. How can you comment on the high end of the game when you are not even 60 yet?

The 20% exp is really no biggie for us soloers, it's not even noticeable.

Maybe for you. I am currently working on an ogre shammy and he has about the same exp penalty. I NOTICE the difference! I leveled my DE necro to 65 in 18 play days.. how many days you got on your iksar? Have fun leveling my friend while I play the 65 game.

This was my last post on this ;lkj subject. I really need to remind myself to stay out of posts that have been thoroughly discussed before.

Salizarr
02-17-2004, 06:06 PM
I have been to the high end game yes. Not with this char, true. Sold my old account. Regret it, oh well.

Ogres have 15% penalty, not 20%.

I have 8 played days on my necro and he's 52 atm, thank you.

Maybe for you. I am currently working on an ogre shammy and he has the same exp penalty. I NOTICE the difference! I leveled my DE necro to 65 in 18 play days.. how many days you got on your iksar? Have fun leveling my friend while I play the 65 game.
Maybe that's why you didn't know pets could dual wield at 29 and double attack at 34 or even that they can harm enchanted creatures after level 12 pet.
I am not obsessed with getting to 65 in 2 days, no.
I play my game to have fun, as do most people.

None of us here make such a fuss out of this subject anyway.
You know what you get from most non-iksar players when you ask if regen is necessary, they will promptly say no and a second later they will say, but it doesn't hurt followed by "I should have made an iksar". (hey, this makes a nice sig!!!)

Oh and btw, i am not trying to prove anything here. We are not dueling each other. This is not a knowledge contest, at least not for me.
If you want to make such a big deal out of this, go ahead, who cares, it's your life anyway....

Good luck!

Sal

P.S.: Sorry for taking this way OOT. I won't post anything of this nature in this post anymore.

Fizzleplink
02-17-2004, 08:08 PM
I'm a gnome. I tinker with the stuff of life. I couldn't imagine rerolling as an iksar or dark elf.

Quite honestly, I've gotten bored with the end game. Seriously bored. There are only so many times I can do the same thing before I go nuts. I have, however, actively hunted in just about every zone of the game, during a time when those zones were good xp for the character in question.

As most of us agree, it's how you think you'll best have fun.

Rabekis
02-17-2004, 08:28 PM
I have 5 played days and and am 51 ATM as an iksar. I dont think the exp penalty hurts you all that much, but I would love to see a chart depicted the difference between iksar vs. DE

Aneastin
02-17-2004, 10:02 PM
After getting my Gnome Necro to 50, I leveled an Iksar Necro to 20. The regen was nice and I also didn't notice any huge difference in Xp rates. I deleted the Iksar because it just wasn't me and I didn't enjoy it as much. IMHO there isn't a single Necro race that is > then all. Find one that you enjoy playing and have fun.

kegerdar
02-17-2004, 10:44 PM
well when kunark came out i had started an iksar necro, people laughed. I thought he was awesome. I didn't level him though very far. Now I have a gnome, well because the few necros in the guild are iksar and i already have an iksar monk and beastlord.

Origomali
02-17-2004, 11:54 PM
Okay, how about we look at this from a different perspective...mana pool.

Innate Int vs. worn Int.

I used to know the formula per level that would determine your mana pool based on innate and/or worn Int but it escapes me now and I am too lazy to look it up.

Frankly, I care not about who plays what race...it all boils down to how good you are at commanding your abilities.....but.....

You know what you get from most non-iksar players when you ask if regen is necessary, they will promptly say no and a second later they will say, but it doesn't hurt followed by "I should have made an iksar"

.....You'll never hear me say this and anyone who does is a TWIT!

Jebasiz
02-18-2004, 02:05 AM
Doomfir, you always think combat with this argument(cuz it suits you)... FD with 10% hps and 2% mana next time you try a new encounter solo...and then tell me you wouldn't like innate regen while your waiting for "your enemies have forgotten you!" 2mins = 12 ticks with regen is like 250-350hps, almost enough to start liching mana back.

necropheliack
02-18-2004, 02:54 AM
another way would be may have been posted already but im to lazy to read all the way through the pages is just use potions till 34 then stay skelly form mostly all the time and people wont be talking about how they hate gnomes or if ur rich just buy a amulet of necropotence and always ahve that on

Syneri
02-18-2004, 05:10 AM
OMFG i was duoing in HoH and we were on some rare downtime, and he goes gnome form and whips out an eye of zomm! i said sweet you got eldar beads? he said no! i have stalking probe it tinkered triv at like 70 or so, i was like holy crap thats awsome! so 2points for gnomes.

Jebasiz
02-18-2004, 01:52 PM
your right, he made they eye while fd, and cast lifetap to avoid low life agro before he stood up.....I shoulda made a gnome.

Doomfir
02-18-2004, 05:45 PM
Don't know but if you are FD the regen rate drops WAY down so I doubt it would be close to 250-350, but for sake of argument, my point was NEVER that regen was worthless, but rather that the difference between races in necros didnt make up to play one race or the other. We are talking innate regen.. not aa regen.. not gear regen.. etc.. Would it be nice to regen in the downtime? You bet! I never said it wasn't.. but a DE can regen very quickly with gear and and innate regen aa as well. No.. not as fast.. but that is what we are talking about.. the difference.. not what gear can do for you. People are confusing the two and they are not the same.

Other innate abilities.
DE for example has the innate ability to hide. That is invis to life and dead mobs.. pretty useful in mixed zones when you are trying to get through some zone.

Gnomes get tinkering. I can imagine how much pp you can make with tinkered items. I buy them all the time for my various alts.

Not sure what Humans get for innate ability or Erudites.

Umbrello
02-18-2004, 06:43 PM
I play a gnome for a few reasons...

1. They are far less common than ikksars or DEs.
2. How cool is it having a little tiny person with a massive skeleton pet running around whooping ASS!
3. PvP. Hitting a tiny little gnome around your feet with melee is actually quite difficult, for those whove tried. Especially if youre a large race.

Havent even tried tinkering yet, heard it doesnt make any money....but I think I'm going to start soon just for fun.

As for the nature of this thread, you guys have brought it to the point where I consider it a flame thread, so it will be moved to the Inferno now.

Thanks.

P.S. I realize the advantages of playing other races, the issue with me is I dont care if my character regends 10 extra hp at end game or not. Its worth being unique, and cool to me as a trade off. I hear people say that little gnome packs a punch! Boy does that make me proud! Pluse I'm 6'3 IRL, its a different perspective! =)

Jebasiz
02-19-2004, 01:05 AM
This thread is lacking way too much profanity to end up here, put it back please!

Schaeffer
02-19-2004, 01:16 AM
not alot of profanity, but there is alot of heated penis envy about who knows more about what and whose play style is better. Bottom line, it's all an opinion. People have different playing styles and preferences. If you think you have a good point then fine post it, if someone thinks differently, don't take it personally. If someone thinks 11 hp regen a tick doesn't make that much of a difference, that's fine, like I said its an opinion. The thing about opinions is that they're like assholes, everybody's got them and they all stink. Well not all of them, but you know what I mean.

Sometimes you can convince someone to try something other than what they already know, most of the time you can't. You can give it a shot or two, but when it doesnt work or a personal insult gets thrown in the mix, then you no longer have a chance to convince anyone because no one has an open mind to your opinion anymore once you insult them.

This is an argument that Ikky and non-Ikky necros will have till the servers finally crash beyond repair forcing everyone to play EQ2. (Yeah that's right SOE I know your evil plot, I figured it out after that Casino scam you guys ran in Shadowhaven to reduce the amount of Plat on the servers) Anyways, i happen to agree with your side of the arguement Jeb, me and Doom had it out about it before you even joined the boards, but the point is we have to keep it open minded and civil if it's gonna stay in a normal forum.

Origomali
02-19-2004, 01:41 AM
Umbrello,

Gotta' do the tinkering...there is some cash in it at times but most important is being able to make your own stalking probes for soloing....not for scouting but for lifetapping. With 109+ Cha and a ally merchant, you can sell the used up ones for about 15pp when no longer needed.


Pluse I'm 6'3 IRL, its a different perspective! =)

but there is alot of heated penis envy

Should I be jealous? I am only 5'10" in RL. :unsure:

Schaeffer
02-19-2004, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by Origomali@Feb 18 2004, 09:41 PM
but there is alot of heated penis envy

Should I be jealous? I am only 5'10" in RL. :unsure:
LoL well atleast you don't have Napolean syndrome like my 5'2 boss, LoL

Jebasiz
02-19-2004, 10:52 AM
I call it "tail envy" in game heh.

Origomali
02-19-2004, 02:42 PM
I call it "tail envy" in game heh.

Tail envy...that's what happens when guys I work with meet my wife. ;)

Vanadinaa
02-20-2004, 10:37 PM
hi yea heres my 2 cents worth. ive read through almost all these posts here. and yea ive played both an iksar necro and a dark elf necro. i play the DE necro today. i play a DE necro cause i like DE's i did the same thing when i made my sk scept i played an ogre iksar and DE play the DE didnt like the ogre too big iksar yea the gear issue so bam im a DE SK but thats not the point. the point is i play a dark elf cause i like them better yea so the little extra regen comes in handy if your willing to take the exp loss but it personally wasnt worth playing a class i didnt care for. yea just my thoughts on the subject :)

Vlarik
03-02-2004, 09:56 PM
I rerolled and started an Iksar Necro.. My DE Necro was 51, but I still just wanted to play a Iksar.. and Necromander is just my favortie class.. so, I can play one again. I do love the regen.. Moving my gear over to the Iksar.. The Robe of Abrogation and Zlandicar's Heart, along with Iksar regen.. is just insane regen...

I don't mind twinking myself, as I have already put in my "grind for XP and gear" in.. now I just want to have fun and play :) Thus.. I made an Iksar Necro. I agree 100% If you like the gnome, just ignore the baby's and play the gnome.

I don't think the Race makes the necro.. the best Necro I know, is a Gnome. I was tempted to start one myself, but I just don't like being so close to the ground.. hehe

My main is a Cleric, and if I started EQ over again.. I would have been a Necro 100% no doubt..