I need help Fear-Kiting

[Fayed]

ok when ever i fear kite i eather die or get huge down time
i lvl 36 right now and want to Solo in DL or maybe HHK
i usualy dooming darkness, venom o sname, fear, sick pet and byu now i almost oom

ne help is thanked

[DemetriousSlaye]

Sounds like you are geared up wrong.

Look for +INT and +mana items...no reason those few spells should drain you that much.

[Origomali]

Not a flame, but how did you get to 36 w/o the classic Necro "Bread and Butter" >55 solo method?

Another, where would you fear-kite in HHK....seems too cramped for that?

A posting of your gear or Magelo link would help too...Like Dem said, you should not be OOM so quick.

Are you medding while your Pet is killing? or are you chasing the MoB?

What zones are you in now, i.e., where are you getting killed?

What level MoBs? Red, Yellow, White, Dark Blue, Light Blue?

Do you carry SoW potions or own J-Boots?

Are you using CoB (Call of Bones) and a Lifetap or Lifetap DoT to do HP to Mana conversion and replace HP?

[quik2]

Lol fear kiting at DL at 36, let's see this is probably the scenario, darkness(resist), darkness(resist), darkness lands, fear(resist), fear, send pet, VS, Vampiric Curse, refear, darkness(have to keep darkness at all times, else they poof(remember that shit)).

Now let's do the math, 4x darkness 480mana, 3x fear 300mana, VS 160mana, Vampiric Curse 190mana.

Now add all that shit up, 480+300+160+190= 1150mana a kill. Now how much mana do you have at 36? I doubt you have more than 1600mana. That means u are around 30% mana after 1 kill.

Now you need to regen back 1150mana using Call of Bone. Wow no shit sherlock no wonder you are lom. Now don't forget next fight you have to tap those HP back from COB draining hp.

There's a reason why u don't do DL at 36, 1) most shit are red, that means u pet does shit dps on the mob, since ur pet is like 8 lvls below u, which means he's probably lvl 28 trying to hit a red mob. 2) Resist rate is horrible 3) You are using intensify death lame ass haste for ur pet, recast every 5mins.

Now here's the advantage of doing it at lvl 39, 1) most shit are blue, ur pet is higher lvl, he's probably hitting mobs that cons yellow to him. 2) u get augment death way better haste for ur pet. 3) Resist rate is low

GET IT? If you don't then good luck to you, do as u will.

My suggestion, how about u hunt something yellow/white/blue? Reds are bad, no matter how twink u are. Trying to kill reds, always drains mana. Use common sense, it's not worth the time to do reds, they don't give that much more experience.

Now I know some of ubah ppl will say otherwise, like ppl who recommend soloing razorfiends at lvl 56+, yeah trying to kill 1 razorfiend that takes over 10-15mins for 5-6% experience is great huh? plus u sit the next 2mins medding w/ lich on, then u go pull a mob w/ 40% hp left due to lich draining you. Not to mention the great resist rate at lvl 56+ Great advice. Exceptions are if you have a 2box enchanter or shaman who can either Tash/Malo.

My suggestion go to Dawnshroud's peak solo zelniaks between GE and Mushroom house, leave the tribals alone, just fuckin kill the zelniaks. Darkness, fear, vampiric curse, send pet. When fear goes they'll be running away already. u sit and med the whole time, zero down time. DO that shit till 39 or 40, then go do Echo Cavern or Plague bone skely. Fuck all the other DL garbage, they'll poof on u so often it's not even worth it.

[Fayed]

Origo: I was in groups all the time as they were easyer to get and more exp to Bonus.

The rest of you: Well last night i decided to vist DSP(i hadent read this post again) and went to SS line and killed blood hungry wolves and shrooms. After i killed them all i was lom with full health so i cobed my self to about 33% health and did ne zeliaks(sp) that were blue. wel what do u know i dinged and then pull a very resistant wolf, died, got a reZ(for free she was already in dsp and i think she had clicky rez thing so that was cool io killed a shroom to get back my lvl(rez had took me to 99%exp in 36 so now i 37,broke(damn tradeskills), and can solo a little(after about 6 kills i was oom and loHPs so i med in SS tunnel and read those story that i keep just forgeting)(the storys are getting very good) so it took me about 2hrs for 25%exp)

another thing is ther a cure for the fear of leaving cob on and dieing(forgeting to take it off) ?????? cause i realy afraaid of it!!


PS i have never use Magelo so im goin to use it right now

[Fayed]

ok i am in DSP soloin large zeliaks for 2 exp a kill but i am running out of mana. I dark,fear,venom of snake, sic pet sit. it dies i kill another one ans so on til i oom i get like 3 kills and when i use CoB for some reason i atract wolves cause they alway come with like 5 secs of casting and i almost die

please i really need help

ps here my magelo
Here (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=761671)

[Schaeffer]

Try aggro Kiting instead. Run in big circle and turn you pets taunt off. Pet will follow MoB and it should still case you. Don't get too far ahead or MoB will Lose interest in you. If Pet takes aggro, then nuke it once or twice and you'll get it back. Shouldn't have too much down time.

[Everdude(Everquest rocks!)]

Oh, thats why your not melle attacking it -4

[Aneastin]

Archer,
Try this
Go to OverThere and Hunt at the southern Entrance. Or go to EC/WC and hunt Druids.

Spell Line up
Dooming dark
Invoke fear
Venom of the Snake/Boil Blood
Vampiric Curse
Shadow Compact
Spirit Tap(when Fighting)/COB/Focus Death
Feign Death

Summon Pet cast Focus death on it.
Cast COB on yourself
Cast DD on mob
Backup and cast VOS or BB
Backup Cast Invoke Fear and send pet.
Sit and Med (cast Vampiric Curse/Spirit Tap) when low on health.
Refresh DD, fear and Dots as needed.
Use Shadow Compact on pet if needed.

[Origomali]

Archer, If I were you and I think 99% of the other Necros here would agree, learn to live with your "Lich" line of spells, you will need it at higher levels.

I am glad you you were able to level some and experienced a new zone.

As for dying during play time...no biggie...it happens.

[Doomfir]

Lol fear kiting at DL at 36, let's see this is probably the scenario, darkness(resist), darkness(resist), darkness lands, fear(resist), fear, send pet, VS, Vampiric Curse, refear, darkness(have to keep darkness at all times, else they poof(remember that shit)).


Not true at all. I was fear kiting there at level 32 with no serious problems. I avoided the spiders because of their root and snare, but I took on everything else but ravishing drolvargs with very few resists.

I usually had two snares up. The first was engulfing darkness and the second was dooming. Engulfing is faster casting and the lower the snare vs your level the less the resists on the whole. Since engulfing is a faster cast snare and the mobs run faster after snare, they clear the add zone faster. Once they clear this zone I hit with dooming darkness. If I got a resist I would do it again till it stuck.

Essentially the kite method is that you stand on the castle pad near ruin one camp turn pet taunt off and pull the ED snared mob to the pad. When they get close to the pad, and in cast range for DD, hit them with that. Now cast fear and send in pet. They will walk down the pad back toward the entrance of KC. This is a no add zone so you have a long ways to kite them before they reach the add zone close to the end again. Let the pet do most of the damage so as to save yourself the mana. I also prefer to walk them in a combination fear /agro kite in order to keep them in a limited walk zone. As you get up in level see if you can get ahold of a staff of the dreaded gaze so that you put out nothing in mana for fear. Cast it in between DoTs or snare to keep them moving at all times.

There is never a time when you should be using more than two DoT's on the mob excluding your snare. Pet should be doing the majority of the damage and saving you the mana. DL is where I got my biggest lesson in resources and mana planning.

[Miroku Taiyoukai]

a lil area i enjoyed from 34 up to my lower 40s for XP is the Great Divide. hunting Giant scouts is a little dangerous at mid 30s or so but i enjoy the adventure hehe. I dont know if its the best xp i guess i just like saying "i just killed a giant." haha anyways if you know what will kill your enemy and get the specific ammount of dots pulled off w/o wasting anything you should never be oom. At the most all it ever took me to kill a frost giant was 2 bubbles(or whatever you call the 1/5 markers). make sure to have CoB up with a leech spell that works nicely.
good luck!

[Xelgadis]

Like a couple others have stated, I think your biggest problem is that you're relying on natural mana regen to hold you through a fight. Your gear isn't bad for your level, so that's not really an issue. While you're killing, you should always a lich spell running, which in your case would be Call of Bones. The self-DoT imposed by these spells is easy to manage with our lifetap and leach lines of spells. Granted, tapping and leaching takes mana to do, but w/ Call of Bones, you'll be regenerating mana faster than clarity, so you'll regain that mana, and more, faster than if you solely rely on natural mana regen.

I've been in HoH kite groups where there's been necros who rarely, if ever, use Arch Lich or Seduction of Saryrn. After like 2 pulls, they start complaining that whomever is pulling (if I'm not) is pulling too fast and they're LoM... I wonder why... Last time I heard a 65 necro say that their KEI was fading, I was laughing so hard that those 2 lvl 63 mobs I was kiting nearly killed me.

My point is, that from level 49 onward, we can regenerate mana faster than VoQ, with our own spells. From level 34 onward, we can regenerate mana faster than Clarity. Levels 45-48 are pretty much the only levels where KEI-VoQ are of any benefit to us, regeneration-wise, for killing. Otherwise, they're pretty much only useful for tradeskilling if your INT isn't maxed. We have the power to regenerate mana better than any other class (if any shammy wishes to start a pissing contest over that statement, they can lick my balls... kthxbyeblowmeonthewayout), we should utilize that power to enhance our killing skills.

Xel

[Aryse Andenter]

another thing is ther a cure for the fear of leaving cob on and dieing(forgeting to take it off) ?????? cause i realy afraaid of it!!



The only cure for that I would say is just using it. You'll probably find that you are more in the habbit of keeping an eye on your HP than you thought. After using it for a while, you will just know when you need to find something to tap or click it off... it doesn't take long to get a good feeling for how much it is draining your HP. It is absolutely invaluable, and it won't take long until you feel naked without it on... the benefits so vastly outweigh the risk of forgetting it and dying, you should find yourself using it all the time.

If you have never used this line of spells, you might want to break yourself into it gently, by using the spell lower than your level (I think at this point it would be using allure of death instead of COB) just until you get used to that. The lower spell poses a much lesser risk of killing you, however it also gives you back less mana and you won't see the benefits of the spell line as well.

Good luck to you.

[Thromia]

As a 30 level, I use Allure all the time. It really does seem to make a difference, especially now that my hp isn't all that much. Even with a nice buff like temp on it really helps so I agree that you should practice with it.

[Zanikenth]

Just got the idea of seeing how much time it took me to get to FM with and without Allure (32 here).

Without Allure, and no regen buffs for mana it took me around 14 minutes to get all my mana back. This was with about 189 Int.

WITH Allure, the time dropped to a little less than 5 mins.

Note: Both were done from 0% mana after I wasted it killing lowbie crap.

Yes, your Allure/Lich line of spells will be needed, INDEFINITELY :)

Love it.

[DarkGods]

Remember ,, A big KEY to soloing is going prepared.

< a 50th lev necro.. when Soloing.. I get Pot9 (Druid hp buff / mana regen) SD (Spiritual Domion Beastlord mana regen) Stacked with your Lich line of Hp to mana regens Your mana should be pouring in.

Now grant it at lower levs you dont get that much mana a tick and you can't get Pot9 casted on you but.. There are lower lev Beastlord mana regen buffs and like what was said in an earlyer post.. Your Hp to mana regen is always one setup better then the clarity line enchanters cast. Except level 46-48. That point Kei will bring in a little more mana a tick.

Just my 2 cents..

[Rindog]

I have the same problem of being LoM after almost each kill at lvl 35 in OT. I usually have CoB up, cast ED, sit, wait for mob to get close then cast fear, send pet in, then Vos, then tap, then sit. By this time (if I haven't fizzled too much) I am usually at half mana. And if darkness wears off before fear, then mob usually runs to far and poofs, or beats down pet to 20% health before I get to him. Then I end up using more mana to heal pet so I am LoH and LoM...below is my magelo...looks like I should probably go back to DSP, but I am trying to fill up my backpack with sarnak braids for OT hammer quest...any suggestions?

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=738963

[Mortimus]

another thing is ther a cure for the fear of leaving cob on and dieing(forgeting to take it off) ?????? cause i realy afraaid of it!!


Use it all the time is the short answer.

Early on it can be difficult to balance lich with lifetap spells and it is made easier if you grab a HP buff from a cleric of similar level to you, this gives you a bit of a buffer in HPs (you are losing a smaller % per tick) but when you have been using lich constantly for a while, you will automatically keep an eye on your own HPs.

I admit to having killed myself with Lich in my early days, esp when FD'd and waiting for a mob to go away. For some reason this is the time I normally forgot to keep an eye on my health bar. This was a salutary lesson and I don't think I've done it since... I wish I learned all my lessons that easily!

At higher levels you will find that you will never be without some form of lich running when fighting. I normally click it on at the start of a group/dungeon and it never drops again till I'm finished. Mind you, that is a lot easier with Saryn's Kiss lifetapping over time for me. You will also find that you learn to hate pauses in the action, as you need to be constantly cycling health and mana.

Mort

:D

[Doomfir]

I liched myself to death once... was talking to a GM about a petition and got so wrapped up in it that I didnt snap that I never turned lich off.. next thing I see is you are bleeding to death and boom.. dead. Fortunately the GM rezd me. lol.

[Thromia]

if i have the pp, i'll invest in a temp or (less frequently) donate for a chloro--these buffs really help at low to mid-levels when alluring (CoB is a still a little too fast hp drain for my taste at lvl 35) because I feel like I can allure indefinitely without having to worry about stopping it. it's mostly a comfort zone/psychological issue, but i don't mind paying for peace of mind when i can afford it. :)

[Srell-Meister]

:lol:
I can't count how many times I've Liched myself to death, but at least I think it's under 10.. but the thing about these spells is you need them more and more as you go up in level.. I remember back before KEI, my 49 Lich was way better than C2, hell I used to call it C4 all the time.. point being that you just have to learn to live with the fact that even tho your getting mana back 2, 3, 4 times faster, you're still slowly killing yourself.. sure this may not sound like the best idea in the world, but that's why you have lifetaps =)

[Rikam]

Yeah best way to get over lich fear is using it or using those tradeskills to make money to buy some good hp gear). Seriously though with those tradeskills you can go farm leather padding components and sell them and stff like that make some cash. Personaly I just buy and sell in bazaar but most people prefer just leveling. However, I like having money to spare at all timeswill help alot when liching. Not sure on a great method to fear kite there been too long ago for me. But, my oppinion is get some gear will work wonders. ps. Coldain military bracelet is too easy to get maybe look into it for Burning affliction will make kiting of anykind easier.