New guild needs some advice

[ssyruk]

OK here's the deal

Some friends and I have created a guild and are now thinking about starting to do raids. Not POP raids, old world zones and MOB's. The problem is while we have played for quite some time, none of us has ever done any raiding on a regular basis and are wondering what would be a good zone or MOB to do a "starter raid".
Thanx in advance :D .

[Skulmar]

-Lord Bob in Velks.
-SoL in Greig's End
-Epic mobs (VS, Fay, Ragefire etc)
-Dragons in EJ, WL, SF, DL (more of an OTM type mob)
-Follow the gnome quest in CT.
-Reaver raid in CoM. Multi spawns are a blast.
-Get everyone keyed for Howling Stones and do a dungeon crawl there.
-Hate's Fury is fun, named mobs spawn a lot. Tough to get a raid out there tho. Someone will die and/or cause a train on the way there due to invis falling or the one mob by the HF zone in Nadox who sees IVU.
-Nurga is a nice option now.
-The Hole is nice. Used to be one of my favorite zones to raid in.
-PoF and PoSky are nice raid zones to practice technique and for newbie raiders to learn how to pay attenion or you will wipe your entire raid. :)

K, that's all I can think of right now.

[Antilight]

Ssyruk, what is the average level and make up of your guild? That might help out with deciding where you head out. If you are low enough, a good ol'Naggy/Vox raid is always fun. hehe.

Otherwise, the others listed would be fun. Tower of Frozen Shadows might be neat for a lower guild to work their way to the top.



Antilight :ph34r:

[ssyruk]

average level ranges from 45 to 52

[Jebasiz]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but from DAY 1 there wasn't much raid content EVER for people below 50. Sure if you had a GREAT group or 2 you could do king and frenzy in lguk, or some of the named in solb, but if your not mid-upper 50s to 60+ your options are going to be severly limited. Not that there isn't things to raid, The kly overseer in kunark would be ok for upper 40's raid, the thing is, with today's loot rich bazaar environment there isn't much reward for doing much of anything like that.

You could probably set up some of the earlier epic camps and get those drops and exp while your there, but that's not the raid setting your probably looking for. The most Ideal thing I would think (I haven't been in your position) would be to level to 55+ and raid the kael arena, the bps and legs are nice armors, and there's a variety of mobs, alot of warriors, but a few that heal and gate...it'll help you work together and provide a good foundation for following content.

Pre-50 raid content was like Fire Giants and efreeti in SOLB, the arena under Vox in permafrost, MAYBE king room(not really worth the time, but can be amusing), Mistmoore, and Split paw. Alot of kunark content is pretty rough without a level 60 tank, and a decent support staff.

POh/POF have both been buffed, or would've be viable for you now...I don't believe they're doable atm anymore though.

[Aryse Andenter]

At that level, I would say your best option would be to hit some dungeons in raid force first thing to learn the basics of raiding. If there are people in your guild who haven't raioded before, you will be handling so many questions on how to talk in /rs or how to make groups in a raid and other basic stuff, you won't be able to handle much else.

Stuff with a key is great (think Seb and HS key), because if you do a key session first everyone has something to show for it and is psyched to get together and raid. For dungeons to hit in raid force, depends on exactly how many you have, what classes and what levels, but think also of Nurga, Droga, Chardok, LGuk, etc.

Also... do something like Naggy, that only people under level 52 can do. You need some good cleric/healer support and a tank to take it, but that is always a huge accomplishment - and something you will only have the opportunity to do at the levels you are now.

[Kompressor]

although yer guild seems to be a bit on the low side, its not too early to raid kael.
But seriously if you had enough of 50's peeps u could kill ok in Kael.. Decent practice. Main thing you should check for is that people lvl up asap so you can try some content.. If you practiced Kael (imo) by the time you guys get to decent lvls Vindi shouldnt be that hard. Newer guilds generally like to do Kael coz
1) its easy
2) thurg armors are still upgrades for a lot of members
3) gives you decent raid experience

but yea, Naggy would be ok if you had someone to guide you in there.. Can be a pain if nobody has any experience in raiding.

Another thing guilds who are new to raiding do is.. Practice in smaller zones that have bosses IE: Estate of Unrest has a boss mob there around lvl 38~ Garanel Rucksif. He is a ghost who resides deep in the basement. IF you guy's have alts in the 30's, or even 20's, that would be a fun place to get together a raid to get some experience in communication/organization/execution. I've actually seen some guilds practice there.

[Kompressor]

Here is a lil bench mark mob list

Tier 1
Trakanon ?Sebilis
32kHP 650Hit Poison AE
4 groups

Venril Sathir ?Karnors Castle
30kHP 500Hit 1500Lifetap

Severilous ?Emerald Jungle
32kHP 500Hit Disease AE Stun AE
2 cleric CH

Talendor ?Sky Fire
32kHP 300Hit Fire AE

Servitor of Luclin ?Griegs End
150kHP 330Hit Disease AE

Wuoshi ?Wakened Lands
540Hit 600pt AE DD 8 sec stun

Stanos Herkanor ?Highhold Keep

Ralius Rattican - PoD
500Hit

Junk Beast - PoI
975Hit Blind AE

Aramin the Spider - PoD
150kHP 785Hit 8 Spawn spiders after death

Tier 2
Velketor the Sorceror ?Velks
Caster

Gorenaire ?Dreadlands
32kHP CH Slowable

Zlandicar ?Dragon Necropolis
32kHP AE Fear Disease AE Kills 1 buff
Drops Jaled key and ST key parts.

Rhag`Mozdeth & Rhag`Zhezum
200kHP 575Hit

Restless Burrower ?Acrylia
150kHP 650Hit Slowable

Ring of Slime in Cazic Thule ?Cazic Thule

Rumblecrush ?Umbral Plains
200kHP 1kdps ?400Hit Slowed

Doomshade ?Umbral Plains
300kHP

Xanamech Nexmirthafen ?PoI
150kHP 1100Hit Quad 800dd AE Stun Slowable
Use AE Heals, and SR on MT

Tier 3
Klandicar ?Western Wastes
32kHP 540Hit AE Fear 400dd AE kills 1 buff Slowable

Dain Frostreaver IV (350) ?Thurg

Ikatiar and Eashen - NTOV
Lenindara the Keeper - WTOV
Thought Horror Overfiend ?The Deep
Statue of Rallos Zek ?Kael Drakkar
Dozekar the Cursed ?Temple of Veeshan
Gozzrem - WTOV
Telkorenar - WTOV

Derekor the Vindicator ?Kael
Quad 700 hit, rampages, 4 second CH

Sevalak - NTOV
Veeshan's Peek - Skyfire
Lcea - Katta


Tier 4
Dain Frostreaver IV (425) - Thurg
The Itraer Vius - AR
Grieg Venificus - GE
Glyphed Serpent & Vyzh`Dra the Exiled - SSRA
Lord Yelinak - SS
King Tormax ?Kael
Cazic Thule ?Plane of Fear
Cekenar - NTOV
Dagarn the Destroyer - NTOV
Lady Mirinella - NTOV
Lady Nevederia - NTOV
Lord Feshlak - NTOV
Lord Koi'Doken - NTOV
Lord Kreizenn - NTOV
Zlexak - NTOV
Sontalak ?Western Wastes


Tier 5
Tunare ?Plane of Growth
Aaryonar - NTOV
Xerkizh the Creator - SSRA
Lord Vyemm - NTOV


Tier 6
Burrower Parasite - The Deep
Shei Vinitras - AR
Idol of Rallos Zek & Avatar of War ?Kael


Tier 7
Arch Lich Rhag`Zhadune - SSRA
Rampages, hits for 500, AE DoT

High Priest of Ssraeshza - Ssra
Hits for 500, Rampages, AE 15 second stun, 12 adds - 4 tanked, 4 mez'd, 4 banished.

Vyzh`Dra The Cursed - SSRA
Procs Charm, hits for 700, AE dot.

Vulak'Aerr ring - NTOV

"Blood" (trigger for the Emp) - SSRA
8 add snakes 4 tank 4 mez

Innoruuk - Hate
1000 hit, AE GFluk, Dispells 1 buff (4 on MT), Calls adds to his aid (30+), at 25% the evangalist attacks the raid and hits as hard and fast as vindi.

Tier 8
Emperor Ssraeshza - Ssra
900 hits, 4kdd proc, -1000hate proc (something like that), has 8 adds 4 off tank and 4 mez. Is slowable.

Lord Inquisitor Seru - Seru
Hits for 900, AE DoT, 1 add to mez

Some guilds follow the "EQ timeline" when it comes to raiding and target mobs off that list in chronological order. This list might be outdated slightly but still can be used as a decent reference for ya. But like JEb said, raids with exception to Naggy (for lvl 52's or below) are simply not designed for peeps in the 50's.. Imho, lvl up as quickly as u can in the planes, do guild grouping and get tanks/clerics at least to 60, before trying any tier mobs.

[Niri]

I think if it is just practice though, getting your channels organized and the almighty trick of getting people to listen, ToFS is good under 50 for a baby "raid". The key for the top floor is on a genie that is nasty enough for us average gear type peeps( at 40 anyway) to make it a challenge, and if you dont have your head together, will be a corpse run. Plus the zone has the added incentive of being empty....so you can practice practice practice.