FD and/or WD is broken

[Xislaben]

[Wed Sep 27 23:17:52 2006] The strength of your will allows you to resume feigning death.
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:52 2006] Vishimtar's shadow washes over you. You have taken 813 points of damage.
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:56 2006] Vishimtar the Fallen regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:56 2006] This creature would take an army to defeat!
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:58 2006] The elixir's effect fades.
[Wed Sep 27 23:18:07 2006] You have been summoned!

[Brahman]

this has happend ocassionally forever and ever.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Brahman@Sep 28 2006, 05:27 AM
this has happend ocassionally forever and ever.
I'd say rarely not ocassionally. Me and 3 other fd toons all got summoned by vish while fd, though they may not have remained fd through the ae, I'm not sure.

[Aegrusnecrox]

I noticed this problem in a 70.2 DoD mission today, so I can confirm that it happens in group type stuff too.

I'll have to test later on wether it's instance based or happens in static zones too.

Definately needs to be fixed though.

-Egg

[GnekroeGnomicon]

I am wondering if there is an overall problem with fd in general? Call it jitters, but I can lay on my dots, fding in between and then get agro if I am still not constantly fding. Ok, not a big deal, just being lazy and getting agro. BUT as soon as I stand after a successful fd the mob comes back after me... now this is with the tank pounding on it... I have had this happen many times since the release, where literally it felt like I was getting correct agro reduction while fd but when I stood I would immediately be placed right back on top of the agro list.

[Sivas]

I've also found that if you eat food while FD that it breaks FD (as long as you're not full). That's a new one too.

Sivas

[Nirruden]

Stuns *can* cause this, though I'm doubtful Vish was stunned.

Replication for stuns:
1. Necro gets agro >0.
2. Player 2 stuns mob.
3. While mob is stunned, Necro FDs
4. When necro stands up, the FD effectively doesn't count.

the bug with forcefeeding is a known issue according to the devs.

[Brahman]

vish is indeed imune to all stuns.

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Xislaben@Sep 27 2006, 10:38 PM
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:52 2006] The strength of your will allows you to resume feigning death.
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:52 2006] Vishimtar's shadow washes over you. You have taken 813 points of damage.
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:56 2006] Vishimtar the Fallen regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:56 2006] This creature would take an army to defeat!
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:58 2006] The elixir's effect fades.
[Wed Sep 27 23:18:07 2006] You have been summoned!
You wanted all that dps, now manage your agro.

Vish had summoned me a few times while we were learning it. It shouldn't happen often, but it does happen. Why you just didn't stand and fd again is beyond me!

Or you could do something like charming a cloud of concentrated chaos with this (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=10562&source=Live) spell. It even worked with this spell. (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=5439&source=Live)

If you don't wanna do that, or you have chanters that can..you could always mez those troublesome death-spawned adds with this spell (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=5429&source=Live) and you can safely assume that this spell! (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=10534&source=Live) will work wraiths AND lichs. That way vish should never summon you :wink:

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Jebasiz+Oct 3 2006, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jebasiz @ Oct 3 2006, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Xislaben@Sep 27 2006, 10:38 PM
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:52 2006] The strength of your will allows you to resume feigning death.
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:52 2006] Vishimtar's shadow washes over you. You have taken 813 points of damage.
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:56 2006] Vishimtar the Fallen regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:56 2006] This creature would take an army to defeat!
[Wed Sep 27 23:17:58 2006] The elixir's effect fades.
[Wed Sep 27 23:18:07 2006] You have been summoned!
You wanted all that dps, now manage your agro.

Vish had summoned me a few times while we were learning it. It shouldn't happen often, but it does happen. Why you just didn't stand and fd again is beyond me!

Or you could do something like charming a cloud of concentrated chaos with this (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=10562&source=Live) spell. It even worked with this spell. (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=5439&source=Live)

If you don't wanna do that, or you have chanters that can..you could always mez those troublesome death-spawned adds with this spell (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=5429&source=Live) and you can safely assume that this spell! (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=10534&source=Live) will work wraiths AND lichs. That way vish should never summon you :wink:[/b][/quote]

Vish summoned you a few times while FD? I was FD when I was summoned, exactly what does that have to do with agro management? My agro management is peachy, thanks. I did stand and fd again after being summoned, and lived too, not sure why you would assume otherwise.

[Tryal Anderror]

I don't think he Noticed you were FD, And forgot that he doesn't know more than you anymore. =)

I've had this happen periodically, Particularily in cases where you're FD successfully, havel ost aggro, and nothing happens, it turns to other people, then randomly summons you even if you're FD still for the past minute or more.

It happened a lot in GoD early on, Mobs would simply ignore the FD, and it happened to me a little in Devastation in PoR. It's rare, but it does happen, I've never had it on Vish though.

[Hangman Gallows]

I had it happen to me on a vish event a few times.

[Brahman]

i have heard of it happening ALOT on vish.

[Meph]

Yes if you FD while mob is stunned the mob will act as if you never fd'ed when it becomes active again.

Other than that the bug where mobs simply don't recognize you fded successfully and continue to attack you is there since some time, it happens quite rarely but still. Not idea if it's a bug or intended...

[hughman]

I was splitting out a Gnoll Archer in Mesa the other day, when this happened. What it looked to me was that his arrows were working like late spell hits. I would FD and watch the arrow finish it's flught and while my Rune would absorb the hit, the mobs would pause then start after me again. I wonder if the old "late melee hits" breaking FD are back?

Has anyone asked/talked to the monks about this? I know they are all heathen scum ( :P ) but they use FD as much if not more than we do and I am fairly sure that, with the exception of ours being a spell effect, they are the same game mechanic.

[Xelgadis]

It fucks FD for monks too. I was talking to a (monk) friend about the archer gnolls the other night actually, conned indifferent while they continued to beat on him. Missiles don't count as spells, obviously, so there's nothing atm that Stonewall or Willful Death can do for those.

[Brahman]

thats an entirly different issue though.

i'm pretty sure vish isn't shooting people with arrows ;)

[hughman]

Originally posted by Brahman@Oct 5 2006, 10:57 PM
thats an entirly different issue though.

i'm pretty sure vish isn't shooting people with arrows ;)
Never done Vish, so I am shooting int he dark, but maybe he did a late melee hit which would be the same as a late arrow hit.

I do remember way back in the days gone by (c. Velious era) that we used to get late melee hits that would either break or seem to break FD. Maybe someone was clening up some code and removed the fix for that, and it is affecting you.

When it comes to troubleshooting code I get realy suspicious of supposedly "different" things that are altered at the same time.