TSS robe clickies

[Jebasiz]

I can see this coming..a reasoned discussion please. If a reply isn't something I can link to merloc I'll be deleting it.

An extension to OoW robe clickies was already mentioned in game to me. Voice support if you'd like to see that, or list something else you'd like to see.

[Brahman]

an improved version of the oow one would be good IMO...

perhaps with the dot crit rate portion being the same and adding a dot crit damage boost as well?

[Xislaben]

If soe is entertaining changing the clicks at all, something that stacks with the OOW robe would be nice. Like a dmg mod to all dots.

+200 base dmg to dots for 30 seconds or w/e.

[pizer]

clicky base dot damage would be nice, or even maybe a short buff that adds det. 150% extended duration giving you time to load up tons of dots or simply chain DD's on burn fights

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 6 2006, 05:01 PM
I can see this coming..a reasoned discussion please. If a reply isn't something I can link to merloc I'll be deleting it.

An extension to OoW robe clickies was already mentioned in game to me. Voice support if you'd like to see that, or list something else you'd like to see.
After they nerfed the durations of Curse of Muram and Bane of Muram it seems unlikely they would be willing to add a similar effect to this expansions robes.I would push for a clicky Wraithskin,Shield Of Darkness,or Sigil of the Unnatural.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 7 2006, 03:46 AM
After they nerfed the durations of Curse of Muram and Bane of Muram it seems unlikely they would be willing to add a similar effect to this expansions robes.I would push for a clicky Wraithskin,Shield Of Darkness,or Sigil of the Unnatural.
/veto.

Most Necros I know don't even use any of those spells. Wraithskin maybe, but Shield of Darkness is useless if there's a Shaman around, and most Necros who do use pets usually use Rune of Death over Sigil, if they even bother to mem a pet haste at all given the short duration of it.

I'm not holding my breath, most of the BPs I've seen linked so far are disappointing at best, but I think it would be a mistake to ask them to change ours (and it remains to be seen whether or not they'll even be willing to) to anything except more dps, especially given how little we actually got in the way of spells this expansion.

Give me a pet that can actually survive a few AEs and do some noticeable damage, and then you can justify cluttering up my spell book and inventory slots with buffs for it.

I vote for an upgrade to the OOW robes. THAT would be something I could get excited over this expansion.

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Maeryn+Dec 7 2006, 09:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maeryn @ Dec 7 2006, 09:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FCseven@Dec 7 2006, 03:46 AM
After they nerfed the durations of Curse of Muram and Bane of Muram it seems unlikely they would be willing to add a similar effect to this expansions robes.I would push for a clicky Wraithskin,Shield Of Darkness,or Sigil of the Unnatural.
/veto.

Most Necros I know don't even use any of those spells. Wraithskin maybe, but Shield of Darkness is useless if there's a Shaman around, and most Necros who do use pets usually use Rune of Death over Sigil, if they even bother to mem a pet haste at all given the short duration of it.

I'm not holding my breath, most of the BPs I've seen linked so far are disappointing at best, but I think it would be a mistake to ask them to change ours (and it remains to be seen whether or not they'll even be willing to) to anything except more dps, especially given how little we actually got in the way of spells this expansion.

Give me a pet that can actually survive a few AEs and do some noticeable damage, and then you can justify cluttering up my spell book and inventory slots with buffs for it.

I vote for an upgrade to the OOW robes. THAT would be something I could get excited over this expansion. [/b][/quote]
Sorry there is no way they would give us any clicky to increase dps,would I like a clicky to add dps?yes,but it wont happen.BTW Shield Of Darkness is for more of the soloing necro in mind (not all of us are raiders),Sigil obviously was a suggestion for when it will be fixed to parse better.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 7 2006, 11:35 AM
Sorry there is no way they would give us any clicky to increase dps,would I like a clicky to add dps?yes,but it wont happen.BTW Shield Of Darkness is for more of the soloing necro in mind (not all of us are raiders),Sigil obviously was a suggestion for when it will be fixed to parse better.
First, I don't think we should ask for something "with soloing Necros in mind". Especially on a robe that most every raiding Necro is going to be vying for this expansion. Not to mention what Doc said which is an excellent point--you have to stop and re-lich once an hour anyway, if not dmf. Just refresh Shield of Darkness while you're at it if you need to. Wraithskin would be more worthwhile to have as you might have a use for that more often.

Second, I haven't heard a word about them fixing Sigil to "parse better", so what's the sense in asking for a clicky of a spell we hope they might one day fix? And like I said, I don't really care about pet buffs until we start getting pets worth using outside of kiting.

*And incidentally, the T4 focuses might not suck as much as I thought. I just saw this regarding the Chanter BP: "60% spell resist rate on detri spells 24 seconds or longer and Aggro reducer for our tash line (assuming its 80%) like the anguish focus." I don't see how us asking for an upgrade to the Anguish BP is such a stretch, if other classes are getting something similar.

[nephayres]

i really can't imagine them going oow robe route- since we just went through that getting nerfed. Unless of course they wanted to nerf it so they could give us a robe with the pre-nerf click- haha. but i guess if they upgrade it now they have an excuse to nerf it later on because 'it'll make the new spell set too powerful compared to those who don't have the robe'. etc.

i'm all for any upgrade that makes sense and has some level of application (or something potentially wicked like a DfB recourse clicky :P) , but how about a 'doubles the base dmg of a lifetap' click or something along those lines.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 7 2006, 03:35 PM
Sorry there is no way they would give us any clicky to increase dps,would I like a clicky to add dps?yes,but it wont happen.
Ummm, a pet proc that does dmg is dps.

[Brahman]

ask any melee how much DPS a 500 DD proc adds.

answer less then 5 DPS IIRC

[Stoleyour]

Originally posted by Brahman@Dec 7 2006, 05:10 PM
ask any melee how much DPS a 500 DD proc adds.

answer less then 5 DPS IIRC
Oh I dunno spirit of panther increases my rangers DPS :-p

(yes I know they have different proc rates its a joke)

[nnigma]

Originally posted by Maeryn+Dec 7 2006, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maeryn @ Dec 7 2006, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FCseven@Dec 7 2006, 11:35 AM
Sorry there is no way they would give us any clicky to increase dps,would I like a clicky to add dps?yes,but it wont happen.BTW Shield Of Darkness is for more of the soloing necro in mind (not all of us are raiders),Sigil obviously was a suggestion for when it will be fixed to parse better.
First, I don't think we should ask for something "with soloing Necros in mind". Especially on a robe that most every raiding Necro is going to be vying for this expansion. Not to mention what Doc said which is an excellent point--you have to stop and re-lich once an hour anyway, if not dmf. Just refresh Shield of Darkness while you're at it if you need to. Wraithskin would be more worthwhile to have as you might have a use for that more often.

Second, I haven't heard a word about them fixing Sigil to "parse better", so what's the sense in asking for a clicky of a spell we hope they might one day fix? And like I said, I don't really care about pet buffs until we start getting pets worth using outside of kiting.

*And incidentally, the T4 focuses might not suck as much as I thought. I just saw this regarding the Chanter BP: "60% spell resist rate on detri spells 24 seconds or longer and Aggro reducer for our tash line (assuming its 80%) like the anguish focus." I don't see how us asking for an upgrade to the Anguish BP is such a stretch, if other classes are getting something similar. [/b][/quote]
Not to burst the bubble it should be aimed at all not just raiders and solo,but for every playing style.
Im for whatever helps everyone; raiders/casual players alike. I would prefer a clickie to add some dps or even wraithskin wish short cast time...u could still have a dot dmg modifier w/o it being a clickie..

[Brahman]

Originally posted by nnigma+Dec 7 2006, 01:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nnigma @ Dec 7 2006, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Maeryn@Dec 7 2006, 03:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-FCseven@Dec 7 2006, 11:35 AM
Sorry there is no way they would give us any clicky to increase dps,would I like a clicky to add dps?yes,but it wont happen.BTW Shield Of Darkness is for more of the soloing necro in mind (not all of us are raiders),Sigil obviously was a suggestion for when it will be fixed to parse better.
First, I don't think we should ask for something "with soloing Necros in mind". Especially on a robe that most every raiding Necro is going to be vying for this expansion. Not to mention what Doc said which is an excellent point--you have to stop and re-lich once an hour anyway, if not dmf. Just refresh Shield of Darkness while you're at it if you need to. Wraithskin would be more worthwhile to have as you might have a use for that more often.

Second, I haven't heard a word about them fixing Sigil to "parse better", so what's the sense in asking for a clicky of a spell we hope they might one day fix? And like I said, I don't really care about pet buffs until we start getting pets worth using outside of kiting.

*And incidentally, the T4 focuses might not suck as much as I thought. I just saw this regarding the Chanter BP: "60% spell resist rate on detri spells 24 seconds or longer and Aggro reducer for our tash line (assuming its 80%) like the anguish focus." I don't see how us asking for an upgrade to the Anguish BP is such a stretch, if other classes are getting something similar.
Not to burst the bubble it should be aimed at all not just raiders and solo,but for every playing style.
Im for whatever helps everyone; raiders/casual players alike. I would prefer a clickie to add some dps or even wraithskin wish short cast time...u could still have a dot dmg modifier w/o it being a clickie.. [/b][/quote]
can someone please explain why hardcore raiding gear, that only the most dedicated raiders will get within the next 2 years, should be aimed at soloers? or even consider soloers at all?

[Quezquotyl]

Most Necros I know don't even use any of those spells. Wraithskin maybe, but Shield of Darkness is useless if there's a Shaman around, and most Necros who do use pets usually use Rune of Death over Sigil, if they even bother to mem a pet haste at all given the short duration of it.

I don't agree with your opinion of Shield of Darkness. There isn't always a shaman or other class around unless you box or group with one alot. I know when I solo, alot of the time I will run into a caster that anulls. So stopping to get buffs before hunting is usually a waste of time for me.

I am sure there are plenty of others who feel the same way I do. In a grouping situation, yes I can see not wasting your time with the Shield Line. But remember a lot of us still spend lots of time solo too.

[Brahman]

i would like to see the shield clickie on a lower tiered item. Not the endgame gear.

[Maeryn]

I'm not saying it should be catered to raiders, I'm saying it shouldn't be catered to soloers, either. IE: ideally, come up with something that makes everyone happy.

That said, two things, and I think most "raiding" Necros will agree with this:

1) I have no use for a Shield of Darkness clicky.
2 ) I have no use for a Sigil of the Unnatural clicky.

(I already stated why, so refer to my earlier posts)

Therefore, I'm not spending my DKP (or however your guild does it) on a robe who's clicky and/or focus effect I have no use for. Unless the stats are ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWINGLY PHENOMENAL, I'll keep my DP robe. It'll be just one more thing to add to the ever-growing list of things I won't be "upgrading" this expansion, and thus contributing to the stagnation of the class as a whole.

So for those of you who are all up-in-arms thinking I'm trying to somehow cheat soloers, I'm just telling you (from a raider's perspective) what I would use. First on my list is an upgrade to the OOW bps.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Quezquotyl@Dec 7 2006, 02:39 PM
I don't agree with your opinion of Shield of Darkness. There isn't always a shaman or other class around unless you box or group with one alot. I know when I solo, alot of the time I will run into a caster that anulls. So stopping to get buffs before hunting is usually a waste of time for me.

I am sure there are plenty of others who feel the same way I do. In a grouping situation, yes I can see not wasting your time with the Shield Line. But remember a lot of us still spend lots of time solo too.
Either a ) use junk buffs before getting Dire, or b ) just use the spell. It lasts for an hour and a half! You HAVE to stop and re-do other buffs before your hour and a half are up anyway. Why waste a clicky on something like that?

[Quezquotyl]

:P I like clickies, in fact half of my buffs are clickies. I dont think you should waste DKP on one, but at least make it available in the groupable armor.

[Maeryn]

Come to FV and I'll give you a whole bag full of useless clickies if you'll just admit Shield of Darkness is one of them!

The reason I don't like the idea of putting a self or pet buff on this bp is because the T4 TSS armor is about the best you can get in the game, as far as stats go. I don't care if they put it on any other tier of TSS armor, but I don't think it belongs on the T4 bp.

[Brahman]

Originally posted by Doc Hollidazed@Dec 7 2006, 02:19 PM
Maybe they could put a 10% DoT crit modifier on it that doesn't stack with our epic so that the new weapons can be used ;)
/agree

[Quezquotyl]

Originally posted by Maeryn@Dec 7 2006, 11:18 AM
Come to FV and I'll give you a whole bag full of useless clickies if you'll just admit Shield of Darkness is one of them!

The reason I don't like the idea of putting a self or pet buff on this bp is because the T4 TSS armor is about the best you can get in the game, as far as stats go. I don't care if they put it on any other tier of TSS armor, but I don't think it belongs on the T4 bp.
I agree it shouldn't be on the raid armor. I don't agree it's useless. Can I have my bag of useless clickies now? :D

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by Quezquotyl@Dec 7 2006, 03:40 PM
I agree it shouldn't be on the raid armor. I don't agree it's useless. Can I have my bag of useless clickies now? :D
OK, that I can agree with. I still say it's just as easy to cast the spell, though =p I already carry 2 full bags of stuff with me that I actually use on, if not an hourly basis, then at least weekly. Gotta draw the line somewhere, imo.

Congratulations on your bag of Amulets of Necroptence (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=11646)!

[Jebasiz]

There are groupable versions of this armor and therefore people who don't raid will have the ability to attain them. That said, anything that benefits a "raider" will benefit a casual player..however it doesn't always work the other way around.

It's just my opinion, but we should try to get something on the robes that helps everyone. If they put wraithskin on this, I'll probably request that they rename the robe to charmin because it'll be about as good as toilet paper.

Lets put our heads together and get a consensus so I have something to forward besides the fact that raiders and casuals don't seem to want the same thing.

A huge lifetap as a clicky would be nice IMO.
An upgrade to the OoW robe would be nice.
Even a mana regen buff(stacking with lich, and other clickies) would be nice(and help everyone).
There's a lot of ideas floating around..

[hughman]

How about Dyn'leth's on it or some other Tap over Time? I know people don't like the spell cause it doesn't do enough damage, but they even out some of the damage you take. Might help the raiders with AEs etc. and free heals/dam for the casual players is nice.

[pizer]

a bigass lifetap would be a really cool click, especially for those "oh shit" moments

[Xislaben]

+200% to recourse spells for 60 seconds?

[Jebasiz]

what about a lifeburn dmg mod? It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already). Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?

[Xatrekak]

o that would be kick ass. id like a mod for lifebrun...how ever i dont think were gonna get a 200% even on the tier 4, why? well if you have tier 4 your gonna buff around 18k hp a 200% mod is 3x dmg thats 54k dmg lots more then wizards mana burn does at even thier highest rank.

i dont see them giving us that but we might be able to get away with a 75% and 125%

[sauruman]

I see no reason the OoW robe clicky can't be continued here. In all the hell I raised following the nerf, it was explained to me that they nerfed it to bring the few that had the robe back in line so they didn't have to nerf all necros. So now they have us where they want us based on that statement, I see no reason they could refuse to keep a balanced and reasonable clicky updated with the times. The OoW robe click style would definitely be my vote.

Second to that, a highend dot clicky such as dread pyre, corath venom, or vak'dra's sickly mists could be neat ideas. It should be something that adds dps as thats the kind of idea behind bp clickies.

[Aegrusnecrox]

any high level curse DoT, poison DoT, or fire DoT would be very much preferred on the robe.

My particular favorite would be Vakk`dra's, and maby have the higher tier robes cast higher tiers of the spell and have shorter recast, ect.

That would make it worth it, to me.

-Egg

[Sarnath Creed]

How about a clicky effect that for 30 seconds or 60 seconds or so makes our detrimental focii always perform at its max?

IE: You have a 60% poison focii - that focii can tick anywhere from 0-60% effectivness. Why not make a clicky that makes it always hit for 60%?

Awsome on raid targets, cause it would in theory, make our DPS close to double for 30-60 seconds or so, stack your dots, let em ramp up and click the robe, then for the next little bit, your ticking at max dmg. instead of a base dot dmg mod.

Heck, have it work for all focii. so our nukes, and *hides* pet heals will always hit for max as well. this helps the raiding necro, and the soloing necro. especially for those *oh shit* moments, where you need to really kill something fast.

[nnigma]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 7 2006, 11:38 PM
what about a lifeburn dmg mod? It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already). Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?
This another one I'd go along with. Seeing as lifeburn is in a pretty sad state of affairs anyways be cool to upgade it..
The suggestion of a mana stacking w/lich is good,maybe add a hp regen modifier to it as well...

[pizer]

Originally posted by Sarnath Creed@Dec 8 2006, 01:46 AM
How about a clicky effect that for 30 seconds or 60 seconds or so makes our detrimental focii always perform at its max?

IE: You have a 60% poison focii - that focii can tick anywhere from 0-60% effectivness. Why not make a clicky that makes it always hit for 60%?

Awsome on raid targets, cause it would in theory, make our DPS close to double for 30-60 seconds or so, stack your dots, let em ramp up and click the robe, then for the next little bit, your ticking at max dmg. instead of a base dot dmg mod.

Heck, have it work for all focii. so our nukes, and *hides* pet heals will always hit for max as well. this helps the raiding necro, and the soloing necro. especially for those *oh shit* moments, where you need to really kill something fast.
way too hard to code, i dont think they can even do it atm.

[sauruman]

How about a clicky effect that for 30 seconds or 60 seconds or so makes our detrimental focii always perform at its max?

IE: You have a 60% poison focii - that focii can tick anywhere from 0-60% effectivness. Why not make a clicky that makes it always hit for 60%?

Awsome on raid targets, cause it would in theory, make our DPS close to double for 30-60 seconds or so, stack your dots, let em ramp up and click the robe, then for the next little bit, your ticking at max dmg. instead of a base dot dmg mod.

Heck, have it work for all focii. so our nukes, and *hides* pet heals will always hit for max as well. this helps the raiding necro, and the soloing necro. especially for those *oh shit* moments, where you need to really kill something fast.

way too hard to code, i dont think they can even do it atm.


/agree. Sounds great but I seriously doubt they can code it. Its best to stick with ideas that we know they can implement within a few minutes after the devs sign on to the idea.

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM
what about a lifeburn dmg mod?* It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already).* Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?
The only problem with that is for the necros who don't have lifeburn,the clicky would be useless for them.

[Brahman]

Originally posted by FCseven+Dec 8 2006, 12:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FCseven @ Dec 8 2006, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM
what about a lifeburn dmg mod? It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already). Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?
The only problem with that is for the necros who don't have lifeburn,the clicky would be useless for them. [/b][/quote]
lack of AAs is not the communities problem.

the same could be said about the the dot crit nukes, they are useless to necro's without epic 1.5 or dot crit AAs.

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Brahman+Dec 8 2006, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Brahman @ Dec 8 2006, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 8 2006, 12:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM
what about a lifeburn dmg mod?* It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already).* Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?
The only problem with that is for the necros who don't have lifeburn,the clicky would be useless for them.
lack of AAs is not the communities problem.

the same could be said about the the dot crit nukes, they are useless to necro's without epic 1.5 or dot crit AAs. [/b][/quote]
Or maybe some members of the community could think about the casual/lower AAd necros.

[Zanbus]

Originally posted by pizer@Dec 7 2006, 08:49 PM
a bigass lifetap would be a really cool click, especially for those "oh shit" moments
I will throw my vote in for an instant cast life tap clicky. Now, I will admit that it will probably be a year or so before I get to T4 armor, however, I have the PoR robe (love the Fang of Death click), and I have the Ikky 4 robe with its mana pres focus.

I carry the PoR robe in inventory for an "oh shit" situation and it has saved my hide numerous times, so....an instant cast life tap would be a nice idea to look forward to acquiring. As it is, life taps take a bit to cast as do tap over time spells. The PoR robe dropped the cast down to 0.8 secs for FoD, looking at that..a life tap spell that goes from 6 seconds down to instant or under 1.0 second would work great. Give it a long recast time (10 mins or so) to balance the ability for CH ourselves! Would 8 or 10k be too much on that?

[Meph]

How about a clicy chaotic poweresque foci that stacks with worn focuses and adds to our lifetaps (or maybe just a MR DD foci) for 1-2 minutes ...say ... +60% foci on groupable armor and 100% foci on raid armor.

It would have to work on all 3 ranks of Drain Life tho.

[Feellia Flo]

I'm no where near the lvl of that type of lewt raid wise. I do have the tier 1 OoW click though, and a chaotic power click would be a nice addition since the last 3 expansion didn't offer anything close to epic/chest combo bursts.

I would say a 10tic duration with a 15min recast sounds about right :D

I'm still waiting for a parse on the pet click, who knows it might go ape shit on procs for 10tics....doubt it though :blink:

[Todwelt]

Personally, I would prefer a continuation of the OoW click (even though it was reduced duration, I still like it) or the lifeburn dmg mod. With the lifeburn dmg mod, I might actually get that AA once I get a TSS robe.

[Jebasiz]

It's broken for mages.

wooohooo post 3-666

[Brahman]

Originally posted by FCseven+Dec 8 2006, 12:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FCseven @ Dec 8 2006, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Brahman@Dec 8 2006, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 8 2006, 12:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM
what about a lifeburn dmg mod? It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already). Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?
The only problem with that is for the necros who don't have lifeburn,the clicky would be useless for them.
lack of AAs is not the communities problem.

the same could be said about the the dot crit nukes, they are useless to necro's without epic 1.5 or dot crit AAs.
Or maybe some members of the community could think about the casual/lower AAd necros. [/b][/quote]
again...

why would i really consider the guy without a few hundred AAs, at the least, to toss around when talking about the new end game clickie? Most people that get the tier 4 BP in the next year will have 1k+ AAs.

[Jebasiz]

I don't think anyone is trying to "set policy". This thread is about what people want to see, not what is best for everyone. Lets get passed the argument and back onto suggestions.

I couldn't tell you what would be a good effect for a nec with 200 aa's. I haven't been in that position since around PoP(launch)..maybe earlier, but if someone with 200 aa's comes here and tells me, I'll pass it along.

That's why I made the thread, I don't know what you want and won't make assumptions.

edit:FC you have like 1700 aa..

[Fayed]

what about a clicky WTD type thing. it WTDs the mob but the DPS is insane. Only lasts like 15 sec, 3 min recast. WTDed mobs would hit like charmed pets, but with an insane haste buff. Could also make it AotD type spell. WTD 5 corpses all hitting in the 250-300 range, really fast hitting.

[Maeryn]

Originally posted by archerphate@Dec 8 2006, 01:08 PM
what about a clicky WTD type thing. it WTDs the mob but the DPS is insane. Only lasts like 15 sec, 3 min recast. WTDed mobs would hit like charmed pets, but with an insane haste buff. Could also make it AotD type spell. WTD 5 corpses all hitting in the 250-300 range, really fast hitting.
No more swarm pets, imo.

[Fayed]

What about a corpse explosion spell? destroys the corpse adn does like 5k AE dmg. 10 min Recast.

[Zanbus]

Originally posted by archerphate@Dec 8 2006, 06:42 PM
What about a corpse explosion spell? destroys the corpse adn does like 5k AE dmg. 10 min Recast.
I could see a nec..just for the hell of it doing that on Vishimtar's corpse....before loot is done!

[FCseven]

Originally posted by Brahman+Dec 8 2006, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Brahman @ Dec 8 2006, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 8 2006, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by Brahman@Dec 8 2006, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 8 2006, 12:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Dec 7 2006, 06:38 PM
what about a lifeburn dmg mod?* It's something clearly necro, and that ability is kinda fading away(if it hasn't already).* Like a 100% mod for tierr 2 and 200% mod for tier 4?
The only problem with that is for the necros who don't have lifeburn,the clicky would be useless for them.
lack of AAs is not the communities problem.

the same could be said about the the dot crit nukes, they are useless to necro's without epic 1.5 or dot crit AAs.
Or maybe some members of the community could think about the casual/lower AAd necros.
again...

why would i really consider the guy without a few hundred AAs, at the least, to toss around when talking about the new end game clickie? Most people that get the tier 4 BP in the next year will have 1k+ AAs. [/b][/quote]
I was under the impression the clicky on both the tier 2 and tier 4 were the same atm (the crappy pet buff),feel free to correct me if Im wrong.I would agree a necro with the tier 2 groupable robe dosent have the right to the endgame tier 4 clicky of course.Maybe if the clicky on the tier 4 was say a rk3 and the groupable was rk1 wraithskin/sigil would still be something to consider.

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by FCseven@Dec 8 2006, 09:39 PM
I was under the impression the clicky on both the tier 2 and tier 4 were the same atm (the crappy pet buff),feel free to correct me if Im wrong.I would agree a necro with the tier 2 groupable robe dosent have the right to the endgame tier 4 clicky of course.Maybe if the clicky on the tier 4 was say a rk3 and the groupable was rk1 wraithskin/sigil would still be something to consider.
The nerco end game bp isn't known yet. Though lucy hasn't been accepting items since dec 5th. From the links of other classes I've seen in game it appears the xp group robe and the end game raider robe have clickies that are very similar, but have different durations. Shamies get a det spell resist mod click (does not share a recast timer with oow bp's), with different durations iirc for instabce.

I would not want wraithskin or sigil to be BP clickies, not any rank of them.

Well, maybe wraithskin if they had a 0 recast and a short cast time, but they'd never do that. Fortunately it dpoesn't look like that will happen, it appears that all the clickies were meant to be new spells and not existing ones.

[Vermilya]

Tier 4 BP click I would love to see a clicky spell, a dot focus similar to the Anguish robe, or anything that adds to DPS really. Sothgar's Rancour as the effect, and any of the preceding as a click. Unless we have Fire focus on our legs, this armour set has no fire focus at all. Incredible. I know we only get one fire spell over 72, but not giving us a fire focus on our armour just reeks since it is our main source of DPS.

Realistically the Tier 4 armour will only ever be seen by a small number of players, and the click on it should be meaningful to them. That means something that is effective in a raid. That means DPS. If the Tier 4 robe has the rumoured, and unbelievably lame, pet recourse proc I am just about ready to quit and change to my SK. No raiding necro relies on pets for anything much, and shaman buffs are always around, so any click buff is pointless. To be meaningful this robe has to somehow add to what we do, which is DPS.

Other robes for people not able to obtain Tier 4 I leave to them to comment upon. If the Tier 4 robe has nothing special, like Maeryn I will be passing, as I intend to on everything but the gloves from the Draton Ra armour.

[Maeryn]

Vermi and I are going on strike until all this gets sorted out.

[Brahman]

you guys quit raiding? O.o

[Jebasiz]

It's gonna be a long strike (.

[Maeryn]

Not a raid strike, a loot strike. I pledge to remain under-geared and ill-equipped to handle the trials that lay ahead in these dark and dangerous times, until at last the BPs of Norrath are again fit for.. well, equipping.

YOU CAN'T BREAK ME. ATTICA! ATTICA!

[Vermilya]

Well, why buy it if it has no focus, and it costs a truckload of DKP? This expansion at raid level I have so far seen a waist item, a wrist, a ring and a neck that I might really want, and pushing it a bit maybe a new shield just for hp, though it would duplicate an effect. And a fire focus item. Hopefully next expansion we will get some decent fire spells.

On a side note our class item has rotted each time it has dropped. Sad but true, we don't even have an app without a good neck who can use it.

[Raidjin]

I would like to see a clicky 15 min duration/30 min recast Affliction Effiency self buff on the order of roughly 50%.

Basically, every DoT you cast for that 15 mins is 1/2 it's normal mana cost.

Being this is a high end raiding Necro BP, the idea is not out of line with the longer duration and high mana intensity of the new raid targets.

[pizer]

why not the new TSS chaotic power proc?

[Maeryn]

not for nothing, but at least the focus on the bp might not totally suck: Pyre Eruption ftw (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=9677&source=Test)

(not sure if that's old news or not, but i hadn't seen it mentioned yet, so... )

[Xislaben]

Originally posted by Maeryn@Jan 2 2007, 06:21 PM
not for nothing, but at least the focus on the bp might not totally suck: Pyre Eruption ftw (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=9677&source=Test)

(not sure if that's old news or not, but i hadn't seen it mentioned yet, so... )
Only 5% more than existing foci and only works with 1 spell (just like several other dps casters get).

A DPS improvement, but a milquetoasty one...

[Phorlar]

I dont post here very often,well hardly ever, but i play all the time and i have to say that so far the best idea i've seen is the clickie chaotic power fx that would be a really nice clickie to have on a regular basis. Imo go for that one and if they dont like that maybe an upgraded version of the oow clickie.

[pizer]

it's not a crazy idea either, since the wizard one had GoM (granted, that was a horrible click for them, lol) and a lot of people don't even use the CfB line it seems.

[Enait]

So I'm guessing this will never be changed from the useless petbuff effect it is now, then? /sigh.

[Meph]

Doubt it hah. Just hope Merloc doesn't take TSS robe as a model for future robe clickys.

[Maeryn]

Doubt it hah. Just hope Merloc doesn't take TSS robe as a model for future robe clickys.srsly wtf? (http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?&topic_id=114308)

[Ellusive]

Upgrade to OoW robe would be nice, i never thought 6 tics was long enough on the clicky DoT damage mod, but a mana pres. for Drain Life Rk.III would be nice.
The groupable robe would of course have mana pres. for Drain Life RK.II sinse most casual players wouldn't be able to get RK.III spells.