Essence Emarlds ????

[DarkGods]

Greetings Everyone,

I just Dinged 49th level. A necro on Cazic-Thule.

My question is in concern to the Essence Emarlds. I notice alot of the High level Spells Consume this and I also notice we have a spell which will kill a non-Npc and create this Emarld. The person killed in this way cannot be rezed if killed in this way.

Question. I noticed someone selling these Stones.

1. How much are they worth? in pp?
2. Is there any way of getting these without killing a player?
3. (if you have used this spell) How much EXP is lost by the fellow player.
4. (If you are high enough to use spells which require the Essence Emarld.) Are any of the spells worth casting if your going to lose an expensive / Rare Emarld like this.

Please let me know.

Thanks,

Any other information that can be given about these Emarlds would be great.

Thanks, :ph34r:

[Medeaa Shadowcreeper]

Well, as far as I know the essence emeralds will only come from the sacrafice of another player.. you get the spell sacrafice at level 51... the person that is sacraficed must be grouped with you and they have to be 46 or higher....you also have to have an emerald on you when you cast this spell.. after the sacrafice the emerald turns into an essence emerald....

The xp lost would be like any other experience lost for that person at their level, which makes it kind of hard to get people to agree to this because of the xp loss...

Some of the spells that use this are worth it, but trying to find people to sacrafice themselves is really hard.

I know that I have heard of people paying PP to others to be sacraficed... not sure how much PP that would cost ....but I am sure it would be pricey...

At level 53... you can use an essence emerald with the spell convergence, that gives you the ability to res someone for 93% xp... however the essence emerald is consumed... I have seen this used in a plane of sky raid when almost everyone wiped out except for a necro and a few others... no clerics.. the necro sacraficed a wizard who bound themselves to the area.... then resed the cleric... and the cleric resed everyone else.

Hope that helps...

~Medeaa Shadowcreeper

[Doomfir]

On the nameless the going rate to sacrifice someone is 200-250pp per kill. Are they worth it? yes.. and no. At 65 and full into it I dont rez myself when I die anymore.. so they are only needed if it was an emergency. The need for a necro to rez someone in a raid is rare indead. You would rez yourself <lvl 65 though and if you are trying to do something that you might eat allot of deaths to get right.

As for the other spells that use ee's.. no.. they are not even worth having.

[Origomali]

Wanna go to VT....need an EE. They are used it the key quest.

Torvo server....200-250/sacrifice usually around the Bazaar
Bazaar EE 450-500pp

other zones:

/auc Sac 100-200pp
/auc EE 200-400pp

Another spell not mentioned is Infusion...sort of a mod rod type of spell for Necros', converts EE into mana.

[Schaeffer]

There are three spells that use EE's. The Most commonly used and talked about is Convergence, our 93% rezz. The next one that people talk about is Infusion. For the cost of an EE it gives you 1000 mana. I can't seem to think I'll ever use this spell but hey, you never know. The least talked about spell is Trucidation, a hard to resist high damage Life Tap that was given to us pre-PoP and even then I couldn't see why anyone would use it. Do not confuse this spell with Trepidation our high level fear spell, the names look alot alike I know. Another spell that boggles me why we get it is Banishment of Shadows. It destroys an undead target, level 51 or lower, at the cost of a star ruby! Bull Dookey!!!!

[Sliderfx]

I had a lvl 65 who needed the emerald for some reason. He was willing to be the sacrifice and was going to pay me. When i tried to sac him it said he was to powerful to be sacrificed. Any thought s as to why?

[Schaeffer]

Can't sac a 65 cause it's Moot. They have no need for regular XP. I don't know that as a fact, but I know that was the case Pre-PoP because you couldn't sac a level 60 until PoP came out and raised the level cap.

[Sliderfx]

Ok. Thx.

[kilalotofnomes]

lowest EE ive seen on sale on bertox was around 500pp a piece , if you can find them at all.

yes they are worth it if you can get them at a descent price
always carry some
even when you have them be conservative
remember its a luxury but it can also be a heavy expense.

[DarkGods]

Greetings Eveyrone,

Thanks for the Feedback.. So from the sound of it. Its worth having a few around just in case but no real importance other then the REZ.

Thanks
DarkGods

[Nigyl]

The need for a necro to rez someone in a raid is rare indead.

Somewhere like Plane of Sky, being able to FD and rez a click-equipped cleric can save a huge amount of time if things go horribly wrong. Less so in other planes, but we had to ask a soloing Necro to do a rez when we were in Hate a few weeks ago after both Clerics got killed (I was playing my Mage at the time or I could have done it).

Certainly I have a few EEs that I carry around for emergency rezzes that I was given by the guild for just that purpose. Don't need them often, but they're well worth having... I've never seen a reason to use them for any spell other than the rez though.

[Skulmar]

I believe the lvl limit for sacrifices is 61. If you're going to sac yourself, do it at lvl 60-61. The exp at that lvl is a joke.

[Schaeffer]

You can Sac yourself? That's interesting. Never thought of trying that. Does the Emerald turn into an EE on your re-popped self or on your corpse?

[Tumi]

DarkGods - I have a few EE's in the bank and carry one. I see them in the bazaar going anywhere from 500 to several thousand plat. I hope none of you are encouraging the 'thousand plat' vendors by paying their prices.

A group works it's way deep into a dungeon, something goes wrong, the group gets wiped out, except of course for the necromancer who manages to get FD off in time. B) After the mobs dissapate, the necro stands up, rezz's the cleric, who in turn rezz's the remainder of the group. With few exceptions, that's about the only time I will burn an essence emerald.

If you want a good laugh, it's also expensive transportation. While your group hangs around the entrance, you invis / invis undead back to the desired camp, being the stealthy necro that you are :ph34r: Once in place, your group casually wonder into harms way and get killed. You summon their corpses to your location, rezz the cleric, who rezzes the rest. Viola, necromancer CoH :P

Tumi

[Nigyl]

You summon their corpses to your location, rezz the cleric, who rezzes the rest. Viola, necromancer CoH

Which is how you work around zones like Sky where CoH has been nerfed: get a Necro with the keys to the Mage epic island, and you can summon an entire raid there fairly quickly. Much, much easier than getting keys for everyone.

[Scorppia]

Around the PoK bank on Stromm last night was littered 10's of corpses where one toon (by the name of Hawkins) had been sacrificed over and over again. The lag was unbelievable as a result. Maybe 20-30 of them spread out between the PoK bank and the trader building in front of the Library.

Clearly there was some need to have those sacs, but why at one of the busiest places in EQ outside of the Bazaar? From the looks of how many times Hawkins was sac'd, I'm guessing he doesn't care about his reputation any more.

So some people must feel EE's are worthwile.

[DarkGods]

IC.. Sorry for the real breif reply earlyer.. I was at work. So its sounds like I only need them for Rezes.. I don't think I bought the Summon corpse spell. Are the items it comsumes Expensive?

< 49th lev necro..

[Nigyl]

Yeah, coffins are expensive for characters of 36 and above. Summon Corpse coffins are about 130pp AFAIR, and Conjure Corpse coffins about 70pp, with 110 CHA... for 35 and below they're only 2pp and change.

[Medeaa Shadowcreeper]

I think the summon corpse spell is worth it though. I have used that spell numerous times.

I just used it in Kedge Keep the other day when a guildie went LD during the raid, could not get back on for a few hours, and died. Saved a lot of unnecessary time for the warrior.

Also use this a lot when people fall into the Hole.... sometimes people die in the most interesting ways :P

[Eyez]

Yeah, I saw that last night Scorppia - rather humerous, but the lag wasn't worth it.

Anyway, I have a stack of EEs in the bank.
I got the stack by sacrificing one guy 20 times for 6k plat. He was deleteing the toon so he didnt care and figured he'd make some money off him first.

I only use them for the spell Convergence - if I die in a spot where I can't get a 96% Rezz.

[Tumi]

Originally posted by DarkGods@Feb 24 2004, 07:17 PM
I don't think I bought the Summon corpse spell.


Hmmm...a necromancer that can't summon corpses...that makes you a mage...right ?? :D Sorry, could'nt resist..... Find a friendly high level necromancer that has nothing better to do or happens to be going for Gnoll hide lariats in PAW and get him to grab you a copy of Summon corpse. It's not a big deal if they know where it drops, I've done it many times. It does require the use of some pretty high dollar coffins, but when you need it, you need it :)

Tumi

[DarkGods]

Good deal.


I haven't bought any of the summon corpse line of spells.. Just haven't really thought about it.. I'll do a little research and see what items are needed to cast the spell as well as the levels of which each spell will work up to. Wont hurt to have bag with some EE's, and corpse recovery items in it.

< btw.. Dinged 50th level.. I'll ding 51 Tonight with no trouble.. Looking forward to the splurt spell and higher DOT's.

MUAHAHA!!

[Mortimus]

Best option for obtaining them it so find someone who is giving up their char and wants to Twink a replacement. They will ask u to sac them down to lvl 46 and sell the EEs. I've had this happen a couple of times and have taken my 'payment' in EEs. Only used them twice I think to date.

Mort

[Salizarr]

I did this with my rogue yesterday to create 20 EEs.

Saced him from 51 to 49.....
I hate him anyway, so i will mainly use him as a EE factory :P

Sal

[Jebasiz]

I picked up around 200 for 250pp the other day on bertox, which is probably why you can't find them kilalot. In Gates it's very important to have both EE's and Coffins, I usually carry 100 of each and replace them regularly. Wading through new content for 5 hours to have a bad pull, or a mob that fd's the main tank and gfluxes... Whiping your 40 person raid, only because YOU can't rez someone is an experience I don't want first-hand. Also due to repop of mobs, and walkers it's best to rez 3 clerics(read: one rez stick can be too slow) or so and speed up that CR by 30-45secs, 5-9 rounds can be the difference between a successfull CR and chain whiping to repops.

[saelena1]

Well I guess being on a different server or something, but I use EE's a little bit more than it seems everyone else does. On Tribunal average price in the bazaar is 200pp per EE. And I am always getting tells, maybe once every week or two, from people asking me to sac their toon. Seems many people sac themselves just for the extra pp. I only offer between 120-150 per sac, but it gets me some good business.

Probably being so cheap on our server is why I am a lot more open to rezzing fellow guildees, esp if I get them killed, or when I see someone offering 300pp for a rez.

I have used infusion on raids before, but not very often, only when clerics get really lom and they need some dumps.

Never used trucidation? lol not even sure what the spell does, oh well:)

And hey guys have your cleric camp out when the raid is looking bad, we shouldn't have to use a rez to bring back a cleric.