pet haste

[pizer]

seeing as mages got Burnout VI with a str component, (since +str increases average pet hit, and is more dps then the TSS/oow haste) can we get say, 75/85 str added to the oow and TSS haste, and MAYBE even drop the retarded 30 second recast delay? it's pretty dumb our 62 pet haste still parses higher then any other

[Jebasiz]

I asked..but I guess that message got lost.

Heh..I don't know about NDA or whatever(even though it's lifted) for copying things from that board, but it's my post..so /shrug


jebasiz wrote:

When you do take the time to respond, please respond to the cause of the frustration..not the frustration itself. I appreciate the reply, but you still didn't address any issues. Which are the cause of the frustration that you're seeing from just about every necromancer on this thread. Ya..our TSS spells are around where they should've been in September..on beta.

I don't expect answers to everything, but a few would be real nice:
Flat out tell us:

1. Can we get a new lich, or will you upgrade otherside?
2. Will we get a significant dot upgrade with tbs? That's poison and/or magic based?
3. Why do you insist on forcing us lifeshards on us(we don't want them)?
4. Can our orbs stack to 20? If not I'd really like to know why?
5. Why was PPoP nerfed for us and noone else? Are you going to offer any compensation for this?
6. Will you ever lengthen out pet buff duration?
7. Will pet illusions go live with tbs?
8. Will you increase the magnitude of drain life?
9. Will you rename and remove the animal/plant only limitations of "wilting foliage"?
10. What do you consider our role is in this game? In raids, where do you see us? We're expecting to see an answer of a sustained dps class. If that's not what you see us as..that's a fundamental breakdown between you and the community and that'll be frustrating for everyone.
11. Why not an aura instead of a trap?
12. Fear is dead..Bury it and give us something worthwhile(A dot would be really nice).
13. Viscashield..I read that to my cat and he looked at me like I was stupid(then he went and **Halfling** on my oriental rug, someone owes me $5k irl). Why in the was this ever even given a second thought?

Feedback is good. I'm glad you've read what I sent you. Now please answer atleast some of what your community is asking you to. That's far from an all inclusive list..and if you want 20 more, just let me know.


Q0 (Ya..our TSS spells are around where they should've been in September..on beta.): DoTs that are upgrades to OoW spells are now markedly more efficient than their predecessors. The change was generous and errs on the side of "more efficient" for the sake of consistency.

Q1 (Can we get a new lich, or will you upgrade otherside?): First part, no. Necromancers already got a Lich type spell last expansion. If regeneration type spells need to be tweaked due to the OOC regen system I will tweak all of them. Not just Otherside. No time frame on a global retune of regen spells as it's not a simple task.

Q2 (Will we get a significant dot upgrade with tbs? That's poison and/or magic based?): Yes, though significance is in the eye of the beholder.

Q3 (Why do you insist on forcing us lifeshards on us(we don't want them)?): I've made several changes to make the lifeshard clickies more appealing. If you still aren't interested, don't use them.

Q4 (Can our orbs stack to 20? If not I'd really like to know why?): They *can* stack up to 100, but I don't know if they should.

Q5 (Why was PPoP nerfed for us and noone else? Are you going to offer any compensation for this?): If you're asking whether there will be a DoT-only damage bonus bard song in the future, possibly. I like the idea of it and that effect has promise, though it would have to be an entirely new spell since PPoP was tuned for DD spells and not DoTs. 420-455 bonus damage per tick, per fire DoT was more than a little unbalanced and not what I intended when I made the spell. On the other hand, if you're acting indignant because an unintended exploit was nerfed and demanding compensation... I have absolutely nothing further to say to you, ever. Don't go there.

Q6 (Will you ever lengthen out pet buff duration?): Depending on the pet buff, yes, potentially.

Q7 (Will pet illusions go live with tbs?): This past week the coders have been discussing a solution to fix the problem with the Zombie illusion. Assuming everything is working soon with the illusions I wouldn't mind getting them in with the next patch, but it's not a huge priority.

Q8 (Will you increase the magnitude of drain life?): Drain Life is a direct upgrade of Soulspike from Omens, and it received the same increase in efficiency and damage as every other DD spell upgraded from Omens. So, no.

Q9 (Will you rename and remove the animal/plant only limitations of "wilting foliage"?): Was not planning on it.

Q10 (What do you consider our role is in this game? In raids, where do you see us?): Self sufficient sustained DPS, utility, some anti-undead abilities, some anti-life abilities (somewhat more recent).

Q11 (Why not an aura instead of a trap?): Beneficial aura, or detrimental aura? The latter I'm not completely against.

Q12 (Fear is dead..Bury it and give us something worthwhile(A dot would be really nice).): I'm replacing most of the fear spells from Buried Sea with something new.

Q13 (Viscashield..I read that to my cat and he looked at me like I was stupid(then he went and **Halfling** on my oriental rug, someone owes me $5k irl). Why in the was this ever even given a second thought?): Did you talk to Mister Lebowski about getting a new rug?

-Prathun

Is something I wrote after he ignored a whole lot of similar questions from multiple people.

Number 6 would apply to your specific question.

[Feellia Flo]

There was a lot of minor last minute changes in beta.

I think they added +str in beta, duration seems the same though for Sigil...wait and see type of thing /shrug

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Feellia Flo@Feb 13 2007, 07:06 AM
There was a lot of minor last minute changes in beta.

I think they added +str in beta, duration seems the same though for Sigil...wait and see type of thing /shrug
*giggle* apparently Prathun got my *subtle reminder*. Subtle like a jackhammer.

[scrat]

A big heartfelt "thank you" to all of you beta testers & especially you Jeb for shouldering our crap. You folks did some wonders getting things tweaked & changed.

Reading the reply above from Prathun it appears he is outright opposed to an aura with a beneficial effect, but is open for ideas on detrimental? On the surface with no hidden meaning that response excited me.

[Schaeffer]

Giggle????


GIGGLE?!?!?!?

You've gone soft in my absence Lizard...

[Zandramadass]

Looks like Prathun might have been a little stressed cause his replies sorta seemed offensive to me.

Q1 (Can we get a new lich, or will you upgrade otherside?): First part, no. Necromancers already got a Lich type spell last expansion. If regeneration type spells need to be tweaked due to the OOC regen system I will tweak all of them. Not just Otherside. No time frame on a global retune of regen spells as it's not a simple task.

My A1. Otherside could not have been taken into consideration when OOC was implimented as OOC allows other classes to out regen us or significantly close the gap. We were the leading sustained dmg casters previously and even with the changes to efficiency (thanks for that btw) there are still burst dps classes such as wizards who can now sustain their dps as well or nearly as well thru intelligent timing of their spell casting.


Q6 (Will you ever lengthen out pet buff duration?): Depending on the pet buff, yes, potentially.

My A6. Heh Jeb should have clarified haste to give him no wiggle room. Nice vauge answer tho. Oh oh please up the duration of my ward spell to 2 hours please!


Q7 (Will pet illusions go live with tbs?): This past week the coders have been discussing a solution to fix the problem with the Zombie illusion. Assuming everything is working soon with the illusions I wouldn't mind getting them in with the next patch, but it's not a huge priority.

My A7. Pet illusions were suppose to be a part of TSS and now since they arent a high priority they might not go live with the following expansion?? I admit I could care less about illusions but maybe if you say your going to do something you actually follow thru instead of immediatly starting work on the next expansion your going to push out in 6mo... you know that whole accountability thing.


Q11 (Why not an aura instead of a trap?): Beneficial aura, or detrimental aura? The latter I'm not completely against.

My A11. Aura's by definition are beneficial. Please provide an example of a detrimental aura currently in game that is not a PoS trap. My recommendation would be to run a script on the servers to actually see how many necro's actually did the task to get the peice of shit to get an idea of how much we really care about them. To hard or takes time out of your next expansion your already planning how about a simple poll on your website and the 2 necro sites will advertise it or provide a link to it so you can get an accurate idea of our feelings.

[Jebasiz]

Originally posted by Zandramadass@Feb 13 2007, 02:53 PM
Looks like Prathun might have been a little stressed cause his replies sorta seemed offensive to me.


Heh..I think we offended long before he posted that. I just wish I could force myself to care..but I just can't. The original spells were more offensive to us then anything we could of said to him. He really just needs to grow the fuck up and display some form of professionalism. Then provide feedback when it's warranted, without us having to scream up and down calling him names so he'll finally post(in his own defense) and take note of our feedback at all.

No other dev is anywhere near as unreachable as he is..or as arrogant for that matter. Rytan was better(and for those that don't know it, that's a HUGE statement).

[Zandramadass]

Well. I suppose if he gives us shit and cant accept feedback then maybe thats a problem there. Maybe he should change to a different dept. From the sound of it he would fit in their CS dept perfectly.

[winchester20]

Just wanted to take a sec to thank Jeb and the beta testers for their hard work. Getting the retuning of our spells and all the other stuff that is gonna turn up good for us from this expansion is because of their hard work to get our concerns brought to the table. And yeah, Prathun definitely needs to adjust his way of dealing with those who in essence are his meal ticket. He'd get a lot more respect and better overall treatment if he'd just show the professionalism that ought to be hand-in-hand with his job.

[Feellia Flo]

New lucy update for tbs shows squat for are tss haste. So keep you PoP era spell memmed!!

[Vanlor]

Ok, so real quick, since I don't have the TSS haste yet, why is the PoP one better? Did someone say it has to do with str?

[winchester20]

Yeah, Rune of Death has been parsed against the higher level haste spells and it turns out it gives our pets the best DPS. STR for the win!

[Jebasiz]

the pop buff has a str buff, the ones after that have damage modifiers. The strength buff is more effective and parses higher then the dmg mod.

[Insalubrity]

Jeb, Youre everything we need for a CC, thank you ^_^

[Vanlor]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Feb 14 2007, 10:39 PM
the pop buff has a str buff, the ones after that have damage modifiers. The strength buff is more effective and parses higher then the dmg mod.
lol *claps for soe* seriously though, can they do math??? I would be laughing histerically if this didn't affect me...

[winchester20]

Laugh hysterically anyways. It takes some of the sting out of the truth.

[Solarra]

Well they know for certain that the old one are superior. If you look at the new Burnout spell that Magicians get, youll see that it has 100 Strength on it. It didnt have any strength on it when it was first proposed in Serpent expansion. Maybe all that will be fixed soonish. Maybe well get longer duration. :) Hate to sound cynical, but Im not really expecting it to happen.

[scrat]

Anybody know of targetable str buff clickies we can get? Outside of the 5-charge giant beards from GD I've had no luck searching. Everything I've found requires you to equip to cast - and we aren't listed. I certainly wish the STR potions were targetable.

[karue]

just wondering , how much str can a pet get? with mammoths and focus and other buffs mine ends up with on raids maybe the TSS haste is better for the dmg modifier, I doubt it but just something I am trying to figure out

[Jebasiz]

That may be valid..and why they have different numbers then us. I'm not real sure, test is a bit desolate to say the least, getting focus, mammoth etc would be a tall order. I'll try it and see, when I can.

[Meph]

SK's will have their Lich duration increased from 20 minutes to 1h most likely. We should really try to get pet buff timer increased.

Even more since that's their 2nd spell that get's bumped up in duration. Pet haste and now lich.