Wake the dead

[Tumi]

When I initially saw the duration of the WTD pet I pretty much blew it off, but after reading a bit more about it, it seems to have some definiate advantages, and if I recall, the recast isn't to bad. Can someone please give me alittle instruction on the use of this one please ? Does it work on ANY corpse ? NPC or player ? What are the restrictions ? TIA

Tumi

[DogMeat]

WTD will work on any corpse, You can use it on players or monsters. The big dissapointment about it is that it has the same HP's and hits for the same amout as your Normal pet would for your level(or somewhere aroud there). Even if you wake up a god mob, its still a wuss..... but one good thing is that ic you wake up casters they will nuke, slow, mez, whatever that caster type does. Not sure if say you wake a wizzy, if it will nuke for like 1k+ or not, i never really paid that much attention to it.

[Jebasiz]

Be carefull with waking casters, they WILL root AND debuff (possibly stripping) debuffs. On raids I usually go for rogues or monks, but typically get rangers alot by mistake. /grin In groups it doesn't really make a difference, see a corpse and click wtd.

[Tumi]

Dogmeat, thanks for the reply...that is alittle dissappointing, I had visions of pulling up some pretty big stuff :) But, I guess if you reason it out...if the WTD has the same HP as my normal pet, only last 60 seconds, but does not have enough hp to last the duration, I probably shouldn't be solo'in the MOB in the first place huh <_< Lets assume there are bodies everywhere, how do you determine which you get ? Target the corpse and cast or just make sure the one you want is the closest to you ?

Tumi

[Xavier]

WTD works on the nearest corpse to you. If you want a specific, stand ontop of it. Or move near it. So targeting from my understanding doesnt work.

[Ahura Mazda]

Like Jeb said you do need to try and watch what type of caster you wake up because they can really screw things up by rooting or debuffing when you dont want them to. Mage or Wizzy are best to wake and nothing is more fun then seeing your woken pet cast Ice Comet on your target. Also WtD pets can really pwn someone during a duel :ph34r: especially a caster.

Also WtD is a good way to pull a mob. Pull with WtD and you have time to get a spell or 2 off and also gives your pet a little reprieve or free bashing since the WtD will usually have aggro.

You can pull aggro from the WtD so dont go hogwild with dmg spells when you first pull but It can be helpful in certain situations to pull with WtD.

[Antilight]

Question: If you wake a dead Player and that player hasn't stripped his items from the corpse, does the corpse go poof after the time limit?

Or do you need to get permission to wake a PC Corpse?



Antilight :ph34r:

[Jebasiz]

nothing happens to the corpse and you don't need permission

[Doomfir]

Here is a little about the good and bad of WTD.

Maxed it only lasts for 1.5 minutes. It is still very much worth having. The other pet can put out allot of dmg depending on what mob you wake up.
The mobs normal hits are the same as your regular pets.
The mob has about 8000 hitpoints or so it seems. There is no real way to determine this since the pet parsing cant really be checked in dmg all the way till death, but I have done a dmg estimate on the mobs and appears to be about 8k hps.
The mob will use whatever spell arangement it was last using for nukes. They will hit full strength even though the melee was toned down. This is VERY important to understand since as mentioned earlier, pets that dispell can still dispell your mob so watch what you WTD on.
The pet you use can be either a NPC OR a PC. Now here is the really fun part..
Remember I told you that whatever spell arrangement the mob OR pc had up when it died is what it will use when you wake it? Well.. here is a really sweet tactic for you hard core WTD'rs.. If you have a cleric handy.. or you dont mind the walk back.. Put up the spells you want for the most dmg to a mob.. dots, nukes, etc.. no dispell etc. Now, either duel someone and let them kill you.. or, go kill yourself on a mob. Go back now and drag your own body around with you. Use it for WTD..

I produce ALLOT of dmg as a pet.. I know.. I have used my own body allot. I can melee allot better as a pet and have more hps than in real life.. Plus I am using all my own high dmg spells.. Have fun!

[Jebasiz]

In ssra when me in 4 necros killed rhag one we killed a wizard with all his best nukes memmed and had 5 wizards going at 3 different times in the fight. All I can say is BOOM.

[Doomfir]

LOL that is sweet.

[Tumi]

I'm not clear on this dispell issue. If I am hearing correctly, you don't want to WTD on a corpse that dispells ?? He is your pet, and he is dispelling the MOB, why is that bad ?

Tumi

[splurticus]

Probably because many necro DOTs are magic-based, as are many other DOTs and debuffs cast by other classes. Dispelling your own DOTs, and/or those of your group or raid, is not normally considered an effective strategy for killing stuff.

[DogMeat]

I think you guys are wrong that say the corpse you use WTD on will cast whatever spells it has memmed at the time, Try this.. goto a newbie zone and die(have someone duel ya or whatever) then find a low lev mob and WTD on your own corpse. I did this to myself, after my WTD self killed the mob it preceded to buff itself with buffs I know damn well i didn't have memmed, and to top it all of it actually made a pet!!!! i am 100% sure i did not have a summon pet spell memmed. It sure as hell looked funny to have a pet with another pet though )

[DogMeat]

Forgot to add a few things, In order to use WTD you have to have an attackable target targeted(i didn't know this when i first got it) and once your WTD corpse kills its current target the only way to get it to attack again is for yourself to take damage from another mob(else it will just follow you and buff itself till it times out)

Have any of you ever tried this: Wake up some God mob that have a bad AoE spell ? does it still AoE? thinking this could easily wipe a raid if this happens, or it could easily kill a ton of mobs if the raid is immune to friendly AoE spell.

[Doomfir]

I dont ever recall having cast a spell on another mob as a WTD corpse that I didnt have memmed. I suppose we can do further testing on this but I appear to only use the spells I have memmed on death. For example I never had my cob spell up to use when I WTD my own corpse and as of yet my own corpse has never summoned a pet. I have used a BST that did, but I have no idea what spells he had up when he died.

[Doomfir]

We had a necro wake AD but he never cast any of the AoE spells he is notorious for. I would wager there has to be a cuttoff on the power of the spells the mob uses when waked?

[Tumi]

Splurt...I see. Never would have thought of that. I just always figured dispelling wiped away buffs, never figured it would do the same to Dots. Thanks.

Tumi

[Jebasiz]

Have any of you ever tried this: Wake up some God mob that have a bad AoE spell ? does it still AoE? thinking this could easily wipe a raid if this happens, or it could easily kill a ton of mobs if the raid is immune to friendly AoE spell.

I woke quarm who has 9ae's and he didn't do a damn one of them, so I'd have to say no. Fennin Ro didn't ae either, neither did xegony...I was way to busy gating to see whether or not the avatar of earth or cornaiv ae.

[Fizzleplink]

Well.. here is a really sweet tactic for you hard core WTD'rs.. If you have a cleric handy.. or you dont mind the walk back.. Put up the spells you want for the most dmg to a mob.. dots, nukes, etc.. no dispell etc. Now, either duel someone and let them kill you.. or, go kill yourself on a mob. Go back now and drag your own body around with you. Use it for WTD..

OK, I used my shaman to provide a body for my friend.

I loaded Malos, slow, my top 3 dots, my rain spell, my poison nuke, and Cripple.

I have just one word for this:

DAMN!



On another note: If the mob dies before the pet does, the pet will buff itself. The ex-shaman put up SoW before expiring.

[VenimFv]

I have had my charmed pet dispelled when waking the dead occasionally. Not sure why this happened but it has happened more than once.

[Doomfir]

I have too. It was my WTD pet that dispelled my own pet I am pretty sure. That was a serious backfire. It is really odd that they would dispell your own pet. It is either a SoE bug, the pet trying to be a bit too helpful, or their last gasping breath of revenge for killing them.. lol. Used to a WTD pet would sometimes buff or heal you, but that has not happened to me since I got it so I wager SoE changed that a long time back.

[Jebasiz]

I had one cleric corpse I woke cast virtue on me. I sent a tell to the owner and told him I owed him 2 peridots.

[Doomfir]

That is sweet. I wouldnt mind at all if a WTD cleric mob cast HoV on me. :-)

[stukka]

On NPC mobs, after WTD times out, does the corpse poof like a banish or can it be looted. I would hate to see a good item get lost to the poofing of the body, since the corpse has not been looted yet? (or there would be nothing to WTD with) :rolleyes:

[Arlania]

The original body is unaffected by the WTD and remains lootable and present. The WTD animation is seperate and a copy.

[Shuzahm]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Mar 7 2004, 07:10 AM
In ssra when me in 4 necros killed rhag one we killed a wizard with all his best nukes memmed and had 5 wizards going at 3 different times in the fight. All I can say is BOOM.
*drule* and the makeing yourself pet too... wounder if you could make yourself summon a pet... that would be awsom, too bad im lvl 23 ><
60 gnome sk of Vaz
n00b 23 necro

[Tumi]

I assume that the spell lineup on the corpse is whatever it was when you die. For example, if I load CoB and all my Dots, then lich to death, regardless of what spell set I now load, the corpse spell set remains unchanged ? This is almost worth an essence emerald to test :) btw - Does anyone know if WTD works in the arena's ?

[young_necro]

Heard a funny story (well it was funny to me) about a friend on a PVP server raiding in VT and using WTD and it woke an enchanter...

It AE mez'd knocking out nearly the entire raid, and mem blurred the raid target and it hit. People were getting summoned and destroyed one at a time starting with the closest person :huh:

So yeah, be careful who you wake!

[Doomfir]

Originally posted by Tumi@Mar 5 2004, 06:04 PM
Dogmeat, thanks for the reply...that is alittle dissappointing, I had visions of pulling up some pretty big stuff :) But, I guess if you reason it out...if the WTD has the same HP as my normal pet, only last 60 seconds, but does not have enough hp to last the duration, I probably shouldn't be solo'in the MOB in the first place huh <_< Lets assume there are bodies everywhere, how do you determine which you get ? Target the corpse and cast or just make sure the one you want is the closest to you ?

Tumi
A WTD pet has more hps than your pet. I calculated a WTD grandmaster had over 8000 hps. Seeing as you can reuse it ever 7 minutes or so it is a very sweet way to add quite a bit of dps to your output.

I like to use him mainly solo as a sacrificial mob and pull with him on a really hard hitter mob like a high borne commander etc. Then I cast slow as he is tearing into my wtd pet. etc... I use it allot.. but watch the debuffing type mobs or just be prepared to reslow your mob after your wtd pet has debuffed his slow off.

[Doomfir]

Originally posted by Shuzahm+Jul 2 2004, 06:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Shuzahm @ Jul 2 2004, 06:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jebasiz@Mar 7 2004, 07:10 AM
In ssra when me in 4 necros killed rhag one we killed a wizard with all his best nukes memmed and had 5 wizards going at 3 different times in the fight. All I can say is BOOM.
*drule* and the makeing yourself pet too... wounder if you could make yourself summon a pet... that would be awsom, too bad im lvl 23 ><
60 gnome sk of Vaz
n00b 23 necro [/b][/quote]
Yes.. if you WTD a pet class person, there is a chance that he will in turn cast a pet during the fight. The title above your WTD pet is "doomfir's pet" and above his pet is "Doomfir's pets pet". Pretty funny when you have it and then you cast swarm of decay 3 as well. It becomes a room full of pets.

[Rikam]

Not sure where I saw the WTD pet run down but for NPC its something like this:
Wiz Root nuke snare
Mage pure nuke one of top NPC for wtd
Nec Snare mez dot nuke root
Enc memblur charm mezz nuke
Shaman Slow root dot
Cle Cheal you when below 50% nuke roots
Druid Snare root debuff dot
Sk melee snare dd
Pal melee stun nuke
War pure melee
Bard Pure mele
Rog Pure melee
Monk pure melee

Also the wtd that snare root mezz charm all ignore the resitrictions posted to players. So if a mob is immune to changes in Run speed a wtd pet can snare/root.
Mobs that can't be charmed by players can be by WTD. They ignore level restrictions as well nec Mezz works on all mobs if cast. Immune to slow also will be slowed by wtd waiting for some guild to start exploiting that one. this is from memory I may be mistaken but like mentioned they cast any spells the normal NPC of that class cast thats why bards don't play songs like the HHK bards don't.

[nethyia]

Didn't the immune to slow not affecting mobs get abused with charm as well?

[Mallakith]

Im sorry one thing to say...

I have made my life WTD'ing cool raid targets (pure team pvp guild doing BOT towers and similar in PoP) and have woken statue of rallos zek.. zlandi klandi etc but

I woke quarm who has 9ae's and he didn't do a damn one of them, so I'd have to say no. Fennin Ro didn't ae either, neither did xegony...I was way to busy gating to see whether or not the avatar of earth or cornaiv ae

YOU are the boss ))

Oh and from my experience the WTD pet casts any spell in repetoire.. i WTD meself before I got blood of thule and the pet cast it on the mob.. I was impressedd but slightly upset ;-)

And yes I have had Mallakiths pet pet )

Lich Mallakith

[Tomandny]

Originally posted by Jebasiz@Mar 13 2004, 06:10 AM
I had one cleric corpse I woke cast virtue on me. I sent a tell to the owner and told him I owed him 2 peridots.
:D :lol: