AAXP under the current game

[Bonelord]

Hello all. Long time lurker, first time poster. :D

Firstly let me just say a huge thank you to everyone here at the necrotalk boards. I have learnt immeasureable amounts of information about my class from reading here. Thank you.

My question has probably come up before but even with all my searching and reading I could not find something that specifically addressed AAXP in the current game. I wish to know the following:

1. Is there a best level for us necro's to grind AAXP?
2. Or does it not matter? Like will I get AAXP just as fast at 80 as I did at 51?
3. Is it better to grind right through to 70s or even 80 or should you stop and do AAXP along the way?

I personally don't care if I level or do AAs, I just wish to know what is best for efficiency. I want the fastest AAXP I can get and if that means staying at 51 for a few months so be it. Thanks in advance all.

[flishtaco]

Well they are currently going to revamp the AA system I guess.

I would say that you should probably keep along on levels for awhile until that all hashes out.

If you are not level 70 yet dont bother stopping get the levels then wait for the new non having AA exp boost that appears to be coming down the pike.

Larks

[Hanavas]

I haven't played my nec in a long time, been playing my sk and my experience with him was 51 sucked for aa although I did grind out run3 before leveling up. I found 59 in velks to be pretty decent aa exp. By decent I mean far easier kills there than the deep or even droga although the exp per kill was better in those zones, it just required too much down time for me. After 45-50 aa in velks and getting sick of seeing spiders, I leveled up to 65 and started doing droga. My sk is now 71 and I still find myself venturing deep into droga and laying waste to goblins for about 3% aa per kill. Thats not much per kill but considering I can do it until I get tired of killing with very little down time, the gain is far better than soloing in HoH where I need to med/regen after every 2-3 kills.
At 51, I think NC might be impossible for you. Your snare will probably get resisted a lot and the murks have an ass-ton of hit points. Velks would offer you pretty good exp but there isn't much room to kite there and I don't think your pet could tank very well. Root/Rot might be a good choice in that zone. Veksar, even though it's not a hotzone should still offer good exp. You can kill the goblins in the "courtyard" or you can kill the sentries which are undead and you can use shackle on them. If you have confidence in charm kiting, they make great pets too and will do far more dmg than your summoned pet can, just keep FD at the top of your spell set...I miss veksar as a hotzone :(
I'm out of ideas at the moment but at 51, I would say get run3 and then lvl up a little to at least 60 and try aa then.

[scrat]

There are definately sweet spots, where your power level in relation to xp content difficulty is weighed in your favor. With the upcomming change, this will still hold true since there will simply be a bonus scaled on top of your normal xp inflow.

The AA available at 51 aren't powerful enough to warrant spending much time there, nor is your rate at gaining them. If you maxed out all AA available at 51, you would be less powerful than a 60 necro with none.

I'd suggest getting:
Spell Casting Mastery
Runspeed/swift journey

Then moving on. AA are definately a compounding rate of return - the more you have the faster you can earn them; however our ability to deal damage is not greatly enhanced until you are of level to start buying the critical affliction series.

IMO the necro starts becoming a xp powerhouse at 67 and just continues the baddassery until 75. Once you go past 75 you take a severe hit, and at 80 & 2kaa I realize a 20% loss of xp/hr compared to what I was getting at 75.

[Azile]

65 @ HoH is a major sweet spot for me due to it being a hot zone. Kills are so easy and 12%-15%~ aa per kill. 9aa in under 3 hours yesterday with no lesson and missing all my 65 spells.

Then I heard about the incoming AAxp change and just decided to go back to leveling..

[Immudin]

I found 75 in Atiiki to be super easy to gain AAs, I topped out at 6 AAs in a lessons burn.

[Desh]

I can earn exp at least as fast at 80 as I did at 75 in atiiki. Atiiki, however, is kiting utopia, even though there are many easy kiting places in SoF. If I were leveling up a necro, I'd probably do 100-150AA between 60 and 75, and if I wasn't too bored of atiiki maybe stick it out for some more.

[Bonelord]

Thank you everyone who has replied so far.

It seems to me, from what I am reading here, is that AAs seem to come at roughly the same speed regardless of what level you are. Does that sound correct?

It also seems to me that it would be better for me to level until at least 62 when we start getting some prime spells to make hunting more efficient. Again, does this sound correct?

I am 53 now (did 2 levels since I started this thread) and after reviewing our spell line up for the rest of the 50s we really do seem to get stooged a bit until the early 60s. So perhaps that is why so many necro's say to grind AAs in the 60s.

As it stands I think I am going to continue to grind until early 60s before I even bother doing any AAs. As I mentioned earlier, I am more interested in grinding AAs at a certain level if that happens to be the most efficient and fastest for doing so, if it doesn't seem to matter when you do AAs and they all seem to be about the same speed regardless of level then I would rather level up first.

Any further ideas or thoughts on this subject would be most appreciated.

[Azile]

Thank you everyone who has replied so far.

It seems to me, from what I am reading here, is that AAs seem to come at roughly the same speed regardless of what level you are. Does that sound correct?

It also seems to me that it would be better for me to level until at least 62 when we start getting some prime spells to make hunting more efficient. Again, does this sound correct?

I am 53 now (did 2 levels since I started this thread) and after reviewing our spell line up for the rest of the 50s we really do seem to get stooged a bit until the early 60s. So perhaps that is why so many necro's say to grind AAs in the 60s.

As it stands I think I am going to continue to grind until early 60s before I even bother doing any AAs. As I mentioned earlier, I am more interested in grinding AAs at a certain level if that happens to be the most efficient and fastest for doing so, if it doesn't seem to matter when you do AAs and they all seem to be about the same speed regardless of level then I would rather level up first.

Any further ideas or thoughts on this subject would be most appreciated.

I'd get Run3 then push to 65 where you can pickup BoT, Night Fire, new pet, SoS at 64, Horror at 63, these will infinitely boost your power. If HoH is still a hot zone then park there for awhile and grind out Run5, extra spell slots, and as much dot crits as you have patience for.

Save up 5 points for Death Peace at 66 and then push on to 70.

This is what i'm doing at least and it's working out great. Might even be better for you as the new AAxp formula might be in by that time.

[AbyssalMage]

65 @ HoH is a major sweet spot for me due to it being a hot zone. Kills are so easy and 12%-15%~ aa per kill. 9aa in under 3 hours yesterday with no lesson and missing all my 65 spells.

Then I heard about the incoming AAxp change and just decided to go back to leveling..

I would say get run 3 and mabye SCM at 55, but definetly get to 65 for HoH AA xp. Basically lvl 65-67 is a sweet (HoH and NC hotzone) spot and 70-75 (Nest and 69.1 + Atiki {but i haveb't been to Attiki yet}) are sweet spots to anwser your other question.

[Xatrekak]

spiders at 74-76 in icefall are also really really good

[Todwelt]

They revamped the AA system a while ago in that if you are killing yellow mobs at 51 you should get the same amount of AAXP as if you were killing yellow mobs at 65, 70, 75, 80. They (Sony) is now talking about revamping the sytem again to add a multiplier if you are below a certain amount of AA's, which, iirc, will vary per class and not be impacted by where you spent them, or your level.

I am a firm believer in that no matter what they do there are certain ones you need to get as soon as they become available to you. Run speed, SCM, FD, DOT crits etc.

[solithan]

Getting AAxp is roughly the same unless you have another toon actually doing the power leveling then there might be some changes but solo you are infact best off just pushing up to 80th then working AAs. While it might be slightly faster at some of the lower breaks like 75 its probably not enough to make much of a real difference. The new system they are going to apply will greatly help those behind the curve in AAs so, grind up to 80 and then work AAs, the first 500 or so should fly by.

As a side note, I'd personally go 90/10(real/aa) and just be very selective about where I spend my few points, should get you the key ones along the way.

[Hohlraum]

finally started buying willfull death. very convenient aa. can't wait to max it out so i can try flopping through ashengate to finish my charm aug hehe. :)

[winchester20]

Sorry Solithan, but i just cannot disagree with you more. There are key AAs that become available as you level up that increase your effectiveness by such an order of magnitude that to run up to 80 without stopping to get them is, i think, the equivalent of hamstringing your character. DoT crit AAs give you a signifigant DPS increase without any mana cost. Extra spell slots from Mnemonic Retention and FD AA further increase your DPS output by a significant margin. Spell Casting Mastery, Run AAs, /pet hold; these are just a few off the top of my head, but this topic has been hashed out multiple times in multiple threads. There are AAs that are definitely worth the time of stopping and grinding out as you level up. And not at a 90/10 setting either. I'm talking full 100% AA xp. I can't even imagine trying to grind all the way to 80 without DoT crits.

[flubuk]

level 75-80 spells combined with increased opertunities to group way offset that imo.

also at 80 you can start working (effectively) on SoF factions etc

and of course the plethrora of great droppable 80 required gear

and at 80 you can start on cores for tier3 armour.

it's a personal choice

I have a SK and a Shammy to 3 box atm, that are both 78/89 with zero AA, I taking them to 80 then AA'ing , I view them as being virtually useless group wise until 150aa.

Then again they are useless groupwise at level 55 with 150aa, with gimps spells and gear....

Incoming AA changes might make this quite irrelevant

[winchester20]

I doubt many people would want to group with you if you had no AAs at that level, and it'd be fairly obvious, I think, for everyone to see. I also think you'd have, shall we say, quite the interesting time, dealing with SoF mobs and no AAs. And while there are a lot of great pieces of gear available to level 80s, there's a lot of great gear that you can get on the way there as well.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I used to be one of those who believed in leveling up to max level and then working on AAs, but with the change to AA xp that occurred when TSS launched, getting AAs even at level 51 is as fast, most often faster, than at later levels. I say faster cause the old world mobs than you can munch xp off of at lower levels are easier to deal with and kill than newer expansion, higher leveled ones. I just can't imagine a necro, or any class character really but most especially a necro, at 80 with no AAs. But it is a free Norrath. Good luck to you if that's the road you wanna travel.

As a side note, with the upcoming AA change/boost, I'm thinking that'd be even more of an incentive to get certain ones before pressing on to higher levels. But, as I said, it is a free Norrath.

[Bonelord]

While I appreciate the responses, as per usual you cheesers hijack a thread and turn it into your own personal game of "Look at my huge e-peen".

My original post was solely for the purpose of ascertaining if there was a perfect level for max AAXP pay off per unit of time invested. I wanted to know if doing a bunch of AAs at level x was going to be faster and easier then at level y. I do not care less about the issues denoting if you are "hamstringing" your character by not doing AAs on the way up, nor do I care about my value to a group, why do you think I picked a necro anyway? It seems though that even the most learned of you don't really know for sure about this with the current way AAXP is set up.

Thanks anyway to those who did at least offer some useful advice that was on topic.

If any of this offended anyone, accept my sincerest apologies for stepping on your fragile mal-adjusted ego and feel free to message me for your complimentary piping hot mug of STFU.

[flubuk]

Theres a difference between an intelligent difference of opinion (which is what Winchester and I had) and sheer fucking ignorance and supidity (which is what you are showing)

Two experienced members of a community offer you two takes on a question you ask, and you turn it into some sort of "e-peen" complaint.

You my friend, may take a long walk of a short pier and go fuck yourself.

[scrat]

...and feel free to message me for your complimentary piping hot mug of STFU.

That would make a nice sig!

[Bonelord]

Theres a difference between an intelligent difference of opinion (which is what Winchester and I had) and sheer fucking ignorance and supidity (which is what you are showing)

Really? I hadn't noticed, must have been too busy watching the hijacking.

As per usual, 'tards fail to even read the question let alone answer it without going off on some bizarre tangent that makes sense only to themselves and their special friend "sticky tube sock" that lives under their bed.

You my friend, may take a long walk of a short pier and go fuck yourself.

It's flattering that you would call me a friend on such short notice. I guess given your social situation though you have to take every chance you get. So would you like that serving of STFU in a mug or soup bowl?



That would make a nice sig!

Feel free.

[flubuk]

Your board trolling skills are very impressive.

Vaguely veering back on topic, I do however fail to see how two (differing) opinions on the effectiveness of garnering AAXP at level 80 or earlier (and our experiences of such) in a thread about the effectiveness of garnering AAXP at level 80 or earlier can be construed as being going off on some bizarre tangent that makes sense only to themselves and their special friend "sticky tube sock" that lives under their bed.

That's some mighty fine logic there.

[Pharren]

Watch in horror as a polite and informative reply to a forum query goes wrong, on "When Pseudo-Intellectuals Attack!" Tonight at 7, on WFGT, channel 12.

[Bonelord]

Your board trolling skills are very impressive.

Vaguely veering back on topic, I do however fail to see how two (differing) opinions on the effectiveness of garnering AAXP at level 80 or earlier (and our experiences of such) in a thread about the effectiveness of garnering AAXP at level 80 or earlier can be construed as being

That's some mighty fine logic there.

You can call a square a circle as much as you want but fact remains you and your girlfriend degenerated this thread into a AAs vs not gettnig AAs whine and decided to get into a dick measuring contest instead of just answering the question. No logic needed, just plain fact. Tough shit if you can't face reality when you finally get called on it.

[Pharren]

im still trying to figure out where in this thread you see a "dick measuring contest". try taking your medication before your next post. maybe that way you will start making sense.

PS: Todwelt answered your question on page 2

[flubuk]

/chuckle

message received and understood

I shall henceforth never ever offer an opinion on AA versus Level in a thread about AA versus Level again.

I promise.

[Bonelord]

/chuckle

message received and understood

I shall henceforth never ever offer an opinion on AA versus Level in a thread about AA versus Level again.

I promise.

Thanks for proving my point. I asked very specifically about when was the best level to grind AAs, nothing about doing AAs vs. levelling up as their are already plenty of these on the forums and there would be no need to ask that question again. English literacy classes are easily accessible and usually free in disadvantage suburbs such as your own, I strongly suggest you attend. But not to worry, there are still lots of menial labour jobs that need people like you. You can have a purposeful existence at your level of incompetence, McDonalds wants you.

[Bonelord]

im still trying to figure out where in this thread you see a "dick measuring contest". try taking your medication before your next post. maybe that way you will start making sense.

PS: Todwelt answered your question on page 2

I'm well aware of that. I was responding to the majority of you ass clowns who can't read as it takes away from valuable time spent on ego tripping and making your unwanted opinions heard.

[Pharren]

Firstly let me just say a huge thank you to everyone here at the necrotalk boards. I have learnt immeasureable amounts of information about my class from reading here. Thank you.
so much for that, i guess...

and i still dont see the "ego tripping", but again, ill attribute that to your lack of medication.

[Bonelord]

so much for that, i guess...

and i still dont see the "ego tripping", but again, ill attribute that to your lack of medication.

Your lack of comprehension perhaps.

[Todwelt]

To the OP

Although I did, I think, answer your initial post, I did however fail to answer one question you asked that being the first one in "Is there a best level for us necro's to grind AAXP?"

To answer, I would not say that there is a "best level" to get AA's but there do seem to be some sweet spots.

Plane of Nightmare when it opens up to you http://www.necrotalk.com/showthread.php?t=625 and http://www.necrotalk.com/showthread.php?t=624

Halls of Honor or Nobles Causeway (murk stingers or others) in your early to mid 60's http://www.necrotalk.com/showthread.php?t=7178

Icefall Leapards in your late 60's along with 69.1

Atiki, Icefall bears, Icefall spiders, and some camps in direwind in early to mid 70's.

After 75, you are on your own as I have yet to find that "sweet spot" for gaining aa's.

To each their own really as far as when to get AA's and what to spend them on. Do what you enjoy. There is a list somewhere on this site for "recommended/debated" AA paths as well ... but since that is a question you did not ask, I will not answer.

[solithan]

Sorry Solithan, but i just cannot disagree with you more. There are key AAs that become available as you level up that increase your effectiveness by such an order of magnitude that to run up to 80 without stopping to get them is, i think, the equivalent of hamstringing your character. DoT crit AAs give you a signifigant DPS increase without any mana cost. Extra spell slots from Mnemonic Retention and FD AA further increase your DPS output by a significant margin. Spell Casting Mastery, Run AAs, /pet hold; these are just a few off the top of my head, but this topic has been hashed out multiple times in multiple threads. There are AAs that are definitely worth the time of stopping and grinding out as you level up. And not at a 90/10 setting either. I'm talking full 100% AA xp. I can't even imagine trying to grind all the way to 80 without DoT crits.


I assumed he would be powerleveling the necro and therefore make irrelevant the usefulness of the toon. As the AAXP change hasn't gone live yet best served by leveling as that XP wont get easier with the change whereas the AA xp might.

[winchester20]

I assumed he would be powerleveling the necro and therefore make irrelevant the usefulness of the toon.

Point conceded. Power leveling often has that affect.

[winchester20]

Bonelord, I know that on some boards, "hi-jacking" or "getting off-topic" is a big no-no, and can, in some places, get you banned, but things are a little more relaxed around here. It's almost like live chat some of the things that get going in a thread here, and that's ok. I don't personally understand your sudden hostility, but I think you'll find that if you relax a little, you'll get along much better with the rest of the community here at NT. A discussion about "leveling or AA-ing" in a thread with your posted question isn't really worth the type of reaction your having.

[vanlor]

Bonelord, I know that on some boards, "hi-jacking" or "getting off-topic" is a big no-no, and can, in some places, get you banned, but things are a little more relaxed around here. It's almost like live chat some of the things that get going in a thread here, and that's ok. I don't personally understand your sudden hostility, but I think you'll find that if you relax a little, you'll get along much better with the rest of the community here at NT. A discussion about "leveling or AA-ing" in a thread with your posted question isn't really worth the type of reaction your having.

You'd think that he or she wants to be hated or thought of as a pmsing asshat...

It is generally common for people to be kind enough to offer more information than is asked for on these boards... most people thank people for those sorts of responses, some on the other hand, make total morons of themselves...

[Bonelord]

You'd think that he or she wants to be hated or thought of as a pmsing asshat...

It is generally common for people to be kind enough to offer more information than is asked for on these boards... most people thank people for those sorts of responses, some on the other hand, make total morons of themselves...

I feel your pain, but we don't all think you're a moron ok. Chin up ;)

[scrat]

It is generally common for people to be kind enough to offer more information than is asked for on these boards...

Sometimes I touch myself.

[bupper]

02-16-2008, 05:59 AM...
3. Is it better to grind right through to 70s or even 80 or should you stop and do AAXP along the way?...


02-24-2008, 04:26 AM ...
I asked very specifically about when was the best level to grind AAs, nothing about doing AAs vs. levelling up...


And you're ranting about reading comprehension?