SoF BP's

[Xislaben]

If you didn't know already, the focus is currently a copy/mod of the TSS foci, 80% to Reaver's Pyre for the raid version, and 50% to Reaver's Pyre for the group version.

Raid (http://www.antonius-bayle.org/kumbaja/spells/spell_view.php?id=15978)

Group (http://www.antonius-bayle.org/kumbaja/spells/spell_view.php?id=15994)

Click? IDK!

[Xislaben]

Ok the click may be a special haste click, and it's got a super low max hits number which makes it crappy. IMHO it needs to be max hits 9 at least, otherwise the TBS pet click is better lol. Also the 36 sec limit may not work with our 5 tick dots...

raid (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=15930&source=Test)
1: Increase Spell Haste by 100%
2: Limit: Max Level(80) (lose 5% per level over cap)
3: Limit: Effect(Hitpoints allowed)
4: Limit: Min Duration(36.00 sec)
5: Limit: Spell Type(Detrimental only)
7: Limit: Combat Skills Not Allowed
Max Hits: 4
Duration: 7 ticks

group (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=15954&source=Test)
1: Increase Spell Haste by 100%
2: Limit: Max Level(80) (lose 5% per level over cap)
3: Limit: Effect(Hitpoints allowed)
4: Limit: Min Duration(36.00 sec)
5: Limit: Spell Type(Detrimental only)
7: Limit: Combat Skills Not Allowed
Max Hits: 2
Duration: 7 ticks

[solithan]

What item is this on?

[Xislaben]

What item is this on?

I'm guessing the raid version will be:
Putrid Corrupter's Velvet Robe (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=102104)

And the group version will be whatever that is.

There's a Raid BP from Steamfactory, a 2nd form MMM, and a 3rd from Crystallos, so it could be the same thing on all 3, or only on Crystallos, or MMM/Crystallos, we don't really know yet.

[Jebasiz]

I bought this up..more news to come, next week.

[Crayne]

Here (http://www.antonius-bayle.org/kumbaja/spells/spell_view.php?id=15930) is the link of the raid version of the click from kumbaja's. This "could" be ok i guess if the recast time is low as it might let you get an extra dot on the mobs. One thing is was curious about...is if you look at the slot 4 limit it says "Slot 4: Limit: Only applied to Spells with minimum duration of 30 sec" If that's implying it won't work with 42 second 54 second or 2 minute dots then that would blow and need to be changed imo.

[Meph]

It means it wont work on dots shorter than 30 secs.

[Maeryn]

i don't hate it, but i'm reserving final judgement for when i see what the recast timer is. it's much better than the last 2 we had. 4 is such a random number though. it should be like, 10.

[Pharren]

wish it worked on lifetaps >:)

[Vinjin]

Long time lurker, first time poster. :)

Would this change above to the BPs include the Glossy Silk Robe or is this a different set of group/raid armor that it would apply to?

I'm a bit of a returning player who is still somewhat of a newb regarding SoF content. I'm currently lvl 75 with just over 300 AAs and wearing full Praetorians with the exception of my chest slot, which is Elaborate cultural. I have the $ for a Glossy Silk Robe but have been debating making the purchase given that it offered such a little upgrade HP/mana wise over my current robe and did not have a focus effect.

On my server, the cost of a GSR is a little more than the equivalent orux to buy the Praetorian robe. At this point, there's little reason for me to invest in the Praetorian's. However, if the changes above do indeed affect the GSR, it's probably wise to make the purchase now before they get pushed live. I'm speculating that the price of the GSR will increase once that happens.

[theka]

im betting it will be put on the gsr after infused with a crystallos essence and hopefully not the prismatic version...

[Lashden]

With a hit limit of 2, it will probably be only barely more useful then the cleric TSS group BP clicky (which is almost completely useless, despite what it could be). What no one has asked so far is how long would it take to cast it? The spell data says 0.0 but I would doubt it...if it's anything more then 2.5 (gem refresh time) then what are you gaining?

[theka]

yeah i agree a call for blood clicky would of been much more useful.. i cant think of a situation where i need to fire off 2 dots in 2.5 sec.... not to mention with affliction haste most the dots are 2-4 sec cast anyway.. now if it worked on DD's that would be better even damn 6 second friggin cast time nukes

[Meph]

Clicks and foci will be only on tier 4 raid and group robes

[Jebasiz]

I have to wait til prathun gets back to work to talk to him about this. I talked to merloc about it already..so I'll finish the few outstanding things on my list before I actually stop doing anything. No promises though.

[Xislaben]

If we still have the global cooldown on the spell bar then even making all dots instant cast for 7 ticks with no max hit limitation and no min duration limitation (so 5 tick dots are affected) it's only so-so in terms of how good it is.

If it somehow bypasses the spell bar cooldown then it'd be hot, without the other two existing limitations.

[Cathan]

My guess is the half spell cast time to 4 dots on the raid bp is to help get dps started on mobs but that's a joke. The first 8 dots would be an absolute minimum if they wanted to really help us but I would prefer a straight 1 min duration of half cast times w/ a 3 min recast.

That's still only a partial fix to what I would much prefer. I still use my anguish robe, fukn awesome item. What I'd like to see is an upgrade to that clicky or a replacement with a 5% increase in dot crit chance or extend the duration another 10 or 20 seconds or more.

I think if they really wanted to make items like that more interesting it would be an intelligent item that we could xp and upgrade over time to be even more powerful. The group version and the raid version could both include that and give people more of a reason to play.

[Xislaben]

Allegedly (I've not read a dev say this yet) these foci/click are ONLY available on the final item, so prismatic robe for groupers and Crystallos BP for raiders.

[scrat]

Too bad the BP worn effects cannot start low and scale up with BP tiers, like:

group tier1 10%, tier2 @20%, tier3 @35%, tier4 @50%

raid tier1 % 50%, tier2 @60%, tier3 @70%, tier4 @80%

...or something, but I guess that would be a whole lot of work for gear that is/may be quickly upgraded i.e. under-used for the masses.

[Kulvard]

Much better effect would be no spell grey out on next 4 spells cast. 5-8 would be better, but obviously that's asking a lot :p

This current click is seriously useless in a raid situation, and if the recast is not as low as 2 minutes (which i'm sure it won't be), it's also completely useless in groups. Since in any raid or group you should have cleric spell haste on (9, 10, 11% by rank) this is only a 40 percent increase. With spell grey outs taken into account, all this means is landing 1 Supplication or about 1 and a half DoT's extra on a mob. However, it also means that my FD will not be refreshed between basically every spell as it is now, so i'm going to miss 2 FDs across these 4 DoTs cast. Not a crucial issue, but obviously if aggro is not established you shouldn't use this so that's another reason it's useless in most group situations.

The focus is basically an additional 5 percent on Reaver's Pyre, considering Fire focus is already at 75% on crystallos sleeves.

I think they are forgetting how few people will actually obtain the raid version robe when determining how overpowering the focus/click will be. Anguish robe was awesome, but also super rare back when that was actually the current raid content. Items that rare are supposed to have value attached to them, not balancing issues smeared all over.

[Kulvard]

Also forgot to mention, if the effects are only on the Primaridescent Essence grafted versions, this means such a lame click/focus comes from the top event in Crystallos so a person would need Core from Meldrath and Essence from Kerafyrm or whatever top event is in Crystallos. That's just plain silly and if that's the case, the focus/click definitely need to be increased/changed.

If it is on the Teir 3 cored version, then that also makes it a LOT less meaningful to bother with Prismaridescent Essence upgrade which would mean what, 150-200 hp/mana and some stats at the most? That's fairly lame to battle with 53 other raiders for.

[Vivamort]

Someone memtioned Cleric Spell haste, isn't that beneficial only? In other words next to useless for us?

Vivamort

[Pharren]

Someone memtioned Cleric Spell haste, isn't that beneficial only? In other words next to useless for us?

Vivamort

no

[Judication]

any ideas which timer its going under?

[Meph]

T3 raid BP has foci & click now.

80% foci for Reaver's Pyre and 50% haste for next 2 dots yoru cast (10 mins reuse).

Nice foci but beyond pathetic clicky if they don't increase the nr of spells you can cast.

[Vanlor]

Just ooc, what happened to when we all decided that we wanted a demand for blood or curse of muram type proc? Where did this spell haste come from? Did the devs just decide our ideas were too powerful?

[Vermilya]

Other classes are reporting their BPs are on the same timers as other BP clicks. Anyone know if this one conflicts with other clicks? If this one clashes with Anguish BP, or even the pet click one I could see never clicking it. EVER.

Also what about our big dots like the 5 tick Dread, Ashengate and Reaver's Pyre line that are not 30 seconds duration? Will max dot extension items affect this? I have a dot extension item that makes these spells last longer than 30 seconds, but in their unfocussed form they are not greater than 30 seconds... will this robe take this into account?

Not looking good

[Maeryn]

looks like we've been http://home.comcast.net/%7Ekellymartin/rickroll.gif 'd :(

[Sokrat]

lol maeryn, exactly !

[Jebasiz]

Just ooc, what happened to when we all decided that we wanted a demand for blood or curse of muram type proc? Where did this spell haste come from? Did the devs just decide our ideas were too powerful?

I asked that question..and prathun said that he didn't want another multiplicative damage mod introduced. When I asked about the suggestions and if they were feasible, I was told yes.

[flubuk]

Asides the 80% to Reavers, this click is a load of complete and utter toss.

File under plant spells, fear trap and all the other shite they seem intent on giving us, despite no-one wanting or using it.

I'd be far happier if they just didn't bother with a click at all.

Plant line.
Undead trap.
Tier 3/4 glove focus (or lack of)
Tier 3/4 Boot focus (beneficial spell haste 4tw for those OMG I NEED DMF NOW moments)

Now add tier 3/4 BP click....

To the untrained eye you'd think someone at SOE hasn't a fucking clue.

/insert red headed stepchild and slap in the face comments as appropriate.

Q

[Meph]

Just make it 30-42 sec duration and unlimited number of dot casts ... i can't see why it would be in any way overpowering. We are not DD casters we can only stack so many dots at once and casting them slightly faster wont mean same as us as it does for nukers.

[Jebasiz]

I've asked. The problem (I think) lies in the fact that devs consider "grouping" to be the major part of eq. If we can stack 8-9 dots on group mobs, it'd be really sick(once every 10 mins). I'm not sure..but that's why most of our suggestions that get tossed aside..get tossed. I know..this is a raid acquired robe...the people acquiring don't give a damn about grouping, it's a necessary evil at times..and nothing more to us, but devs sure do care about it, and they make the final decision. I'll talk to prathun and merloc about it again tomorrow, but..i've suggested most of what's said here. I've even said to just give us a click that summons another pet that does whatever their target for these robe clicks is..in damage.

I guess we'll see. Xis and I have both posted on this...

[Meph]

I wouldn't say no to a ToB robe upgrade with comparable recast timer that is. Even if they put it on same recast timer as old robe.

[Xislaben]

It's difficult to argue with the statement that this is currently the worse bp click ever.

I could say more, but none of it would be good :(

[Jebasiz]

dear xislaben...
Play eq more. kthx.

[FCseven]

Looks like it's recast type:16 so it shares the delay with our TSS robe.

I could give a shit less about the cruddy tss click BUT I do have issues with an end expansion robe sharing recast types.Just how is that fair?We spend time and effort earning this gear only to find out they artificially gimp it.Maybe if the retard tag team of merloc and prat were not in charge of this shit we could get some decent robes.

[Vivamort]

First of all sorry for the thread necromancy, but I just realized something.

The warrior group Tier 4 BP (all 4 essences) replaces the effect on the warrior 2.0. Why can't we have the same type of deal so I can put something else in primary?