"Don't Talk to the Police"

[Felicite]

Professor James Duane lectures on the really important fact that any statements you make to the police can *NEVER* help you. As your Miranda warning tells you "everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law", but as you may not know they can never be used *for* you.

He gives really simple examples of how you can convict yourself inadvertently. That no matter what you say, how innocent you are and even if you say nothing beyond simple denials they can and will use it against you in court. Use the Fifth Amendment. Never say ANYTHING to the police.

The Innocence Project (which frees convicted people based on DNA and other scientific methods) states that 25% of the people that they released were convicted on statements they made to the police.

The video below is of Criminal Defense Attorney and Prof. James Duane. He explains (in a very entertaining way) why innocent people should never talk to the police. He speaks fast, so listen closely and listen to it all. The lecture is about 27 minutes long but worth every minute. After Prof. Duane speaks, he is followed by officer George Bruch from the Virginia Beach police department. Bruch has been an investigator (and interrogator) for approx. 28 years, he concurs with the advice that innocent people should never talk to the police.

James Duane explains why innocent people should never talk to the police.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...02514885833865
"everything.. every time you talk to the police.. you will regret it"

George Bruch from the Virginia Beach police department responds to Professor James Duane's presentation on why innocent people should never talk to the police.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...22229458915912
"Everything he said was true. Ok. And it was right, and it was correct."

Yeah, this is ~45 minutes of watching (or listening, I left it minimized) but it's entertaining and an important civics lesson.

[encephalitis]

F*, f*, f* the po-lice.

[Drazzminius]

F*, f*, f* the po-lice.

They'd slap you with assault.

[Vocatus Nex]

Damn that James Duane talks fast! He gets ahead of himself sometimes, entertaining anyway.

[Ultulus]

comin' straight from the underground?

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

This next record is dedicated to some personal friends of mine, the LAPD.
For every cop that has ever taken advantage of somebody, beat 'em down or
hurt 'em, because they got long hair, listen to the wrong kinda music,
wrong color, whatever they thought was the reason to do it. For every one
of those fuckin' police, I'd like to take a pig out here in this parkin'
lot and shoot 'em in their mothafuckin' face.

COP KILLER!

Yeah!

I got my black shirt on
I got my black gloves on
I got my ski mask on
This shit's been too long
I got my twelve guage sawed off
I got my headlights turned off
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off

I'm a...

COP KILLER, better you than me
COP KILLER, fuck police brutality!
COP KILLER, I know your family's grievin' ... FUCK 'EM!
COP KILLER, but tonight we get even

I got my brain on hype
Tonight'll be your night
I got this long-assed knife
and your neck looks just right
My adrenaline's pumpin'
I got my stereo bumpin'
I'm 'bout to kill me somethin'
A pig stopped me for nuthin'!

COP KILLER, it's better you than me
COP KILLER, fuck police brutality!
COP KILLER, I know your family's grievin' ... FUCK 'EM!
COP KILLER, but tonight we get even

DIE, DIE, DIE, PIG, DIE!
FUCK THE POLICE!

COP KILLER, it's better you than me
COP KILLER, fuck police brutality!
COP KILLER, I know your family's grievin' ... FUCK 'EM!
COP KILLER, but tonight we get even

FUCK THE POLICE!

FUCK THE POLICE, for Daryl Gates
FUCK THE POLICE, for Rodney King
FUCK THE POLICE, for my dead homies
FUCK THE POLICE, for your freedom
FUCK THE POLICE, don't be a pussy
FUCK THE POLICE, have some mothafuckin' courage
FUCK THE POLICE, sing along!

COP KILLER!

I'm a muthafuckin' COP KILLER!

COP KILLER!

[Aegrusnecrox]

cops who beat people indiscriminately make me happy.



-Egg

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

cops who beat people indiscriminately make me happy.



-Egg

And thus, people who kill them do the same for me.

Oh, and oddly enough i saw that same image on 665.com like 3 years before maddox's date lol.

[Lylith]

I like most cops, but power does corrupt.

Over a year ago, we had them doing a drug bust in a bad area of Atlanta. They shot and killed the home owner who was 80+ and she had no clue wtf was going on because it was a no knock warrant.

Flash forward a few days and the snitch turns on them. He says he only signed what they wanted & there was no grounds for it. So, the cops in question are now serving jail time. That's only the ones caught though.

oh, cause I was curious, hey my college days were 20 years ago:

wiki:

Self-incrimination
The Fifth Amendment protects witnesses from being forced to incriminate themselves. To "plead the Fifth" is a refusal to answer a question because the response could form self-incriminating evidence.

Historically, the legal protection against self-incrimination is directly related to the question of torture for extracting information and confessions.[2][3] The legal shift from widespread use of torture and forced confession dates to turmoil of the late 16th and early 17th centuries in England. Anyone refusing to take the oath ex-officio (confessions or swearing of innocence, usually before hearing any charges) was taken for guilty. Suspected Puritans were pressed to take the oath and then reveal names of other Puritans. Coercion and torture were commonly employed to compel "cooperation." Puritans, who were at the time fleeing to the New World, began a practice of refusing to cooperate with interrogations. In the most famous case, John Lilburne refused, in 1637, to take the oath. His case and his call for "freeborn rights" were rallying points for reforms against forced oaths, forced self-incrimination, and other kinds of coercion. Oliver Cromwell's revolution overturned the practice and incorporated protections, in response to a popular group of English citizens known as the Levellers. The Levellers presented The Humble Petition of Many Thousands to Parliament in 1647 with thirteen demands, of which, the right against self-incrimination (in criminal cases only), was listed at number three. These protections were brought to the American shores by Puritans, and were later incorporated into the United States Constitution through its Bill of Rights.

Thanks Puritan dudes and dudettes!

[GnekroeGnomicon]

Lylith saved the post with an interesting read. Thanks

[Lylith]

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=6231883

wowza - they need to arrest each and every gansta rapper when they tour Philly then.
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By David Henry

PHILADELPHIA - JUNE 26, 2008 (WPVI) -- 44-year old Andre Moore is being held at the 18th Police District by the very officers he apparently wanted to kill.
At least that's the message he allegedy sent out to the world in a disturbing, hate filled rant on YouTube.

"When you shoot the cops, you shoot them dead.", Moore is heard saying.
Moore allegedly posted this video on

What police also find disturbing is that Moore is employed as a security guard at Einstein Medical Center, the hospital where Officer Chuck Cassidy died of gunshot wounds six months ago.

"We lost three police officers to guns on the streets of Philadelphia, and this idiot's out there promoting this message.", said Thomas Burke, of the Pennsylvania Gun Violence Task Force.
Moore's anger is directed mostly at the 18th district where he was cited for minor offenses last month.

"I can't stand the 18th district," the videotaped rant continues. "That's why I rejoice whenever they shoot a cop in Philadelphia. 'Cause I hate them."
And Moore dosen't stop there.
He goes on to promote violence in a city that is struggling to turn the tide.
"Continue killing the 18th district police. I promote violence in Philly. Promote violence in Philly."

Moore faces a number of charges, including aggravated assault.
And he's charged with corruption of minors.
That's because the cameraman is his 12 year old son.
And his son's 14 year old friend is seen in a follow up video posted just yesterday.

Police used a battering ram on his door at six this morning.
Moore's wife is also a security officer, and doesn't want her face shown.
She says she was outraged when she learned of the video this past Saturday.
"I am very upset. I'm upset at him. How dare he jeopardize our family, and jeopardize my career?"

This case will be watched very closely as it moves through the court system. It could set a precedent. Legal experts tell Action News the arrest, based on an internet video, is questionable in terms of First Ammendment Constitutional rights. The D.A. says free speech ends when you incite others to shoot police officers.

Reaction to video "We lost three officers in this city to guns. It's outrageous for him to be promoting this message," says Thomas Burke, of the Pennsylvania Gun Violence Task Force.
Action News Reporter David Henry spoke to Moore's angry wife through her door.
"I am very upset at him. Very angry. Why did he jeopardize our family? Why did he jeopardize my career?" she screamed.
Moore was cited for minor offenses in the 18th district last month. Now he's behind bars for some major crimes, including aggravated assault, making terroristic threats and corrupting a minor. That charge is because the video was allegedly taped by his 12 year old son. But a Villanova law professor is skeptical that these charges will hold any weight in court.

Michael Carroll summed it up this way. "I'm not saying this is popular speech or that this is a responsible opinion. It's clear people are going to be upset by it, but that doesn't make it criminal."

Carroll believes this arrest stems solely from Moore's speech and nothing else, and speech, regardless of how hateful, is protected under the First Amendment.
"If you go on the internet, on websites on YouTube, you're going to find white power videos advocating violence against African-Americans and Jews, so there's lots of hatred on the internet."
Carroll adds the aggravated assault charge may be the most questionable because Moore as far as we know, advocated, but never attempted to hurt anyone.

The district attorney told Action News free speech ends when you incite others to shoot police officers. However, when we asked for a definition of aggravated assault, the office had no comment.
"When you start punishing people for what they say, " says Carroll, you're undermining the whole basis of freedom in this society."
The video has been removed from YouTube. The company says it violates it terms of use. Moore is expected be arraigned overnight.

[encephalitis]

Action News Reporter David Henry spoke to Moore's angry wife through her door.
"I am very upset at him. Very angry. Why did he jeopardize our family? Why did he jeopardize my career?" she screamed.

So what he actually said didn't bother her?

[Ultulus]

So what he actually said didn't bother her?

well no... She feels the same way... she's just in the closet about it.

[encephalitis]

Hopefully his arrest won't fuel any looneys dumb enough to do what he suggests.

The last thing a mob needs is a martyr.

[Kadyan Aeternalis]

Hopefully his arrest won't fuel any looneys dumb enough to do what he suggests.

The last thing a mob needs is a martyr.

So not true, everyone needs someone to die for them.

Admit it.