super big changes to mass kiting

[Zynt]

i use the aa slow all the time, i cant remember ever NOT seeing the partially effected message

Ditto

[Siddar]

You don't ever get full slows in modern EQ content.

Yes you get partial slow messages when you cast undead slow.

I have no idea what is going on with this nerf are why but it wasnt because undead slow was landing for full.

[Hayzeus]

agreed... it really doesn't ever land full. I recall seeing some mobs somewhere in RoF where it was landing with the "Mostly" message, but that mob was the only one that I recall seeing. I *think* it might have been in Kael, but CC is a possibility.

The Enchanter slows are also on the block to have their limits "capped," so we have to share the nerf boat with them.

[Hayzeus]

Looks like I was wrong...

I think the Enchanter slow is being buffed up from 70% to 73%.

Maybe it's only the necros that are being nerfed

[forcallen]

Ha I just posted that before checking this reply.

Yeah, test has a change to the AA slow. I haven't heard from any devs, but I assume the AA slow was not being mitigated, giving us the full 70% slow, instead of some % of 70%.

Anybody with the AA on live could check by casting it on an undead NPC and seeing if they don't get a 'partially successful' message. I never bought the AA because we have a very old spell that works fine.

Xis you really need to find out what their thinking is behind this nerf. The AA line was always met with the "partially resisted" message so thats not it. We have had 70% slow to undead since level 38 so thats not it. We told Eli we wanted an AA that copied our level 38 spell but that saved us the convenience of having to mem the spell so thats not it. Eli and aristo were well aware that we were being given a means to turn mobs into Undead allowing us to use our charm, slow and mezz spells accordingly so that can't be it. My only guess is that we had 75% unmitigated undead slow, which could be used on any mob with the resist and timing factors being ignored, compared to an enchanters 70%(even though we have always had a higher cap of slow just limited to undead well before enchanters got it in many cases 20 levels later). But if thats the case then our slow should have just been dropped back to 70% and the extra two ranks refunded and removed. They also should then look into the fact that enchanters suddenly have to best non swift dot in game from out of no where and their dot needs to be nerfed down below Pyre of Marnek or based on how this nerf is happening they should cut the damage of Mind Squall by 50% and call it a cap issue.

[Hayzeus]

Xis you really need to find out what their thinking is behind this nerf. The AA line was always met with the "partially resisted" message so thats not it. We have had 70% slow to undead since level 38 so thats not it. We told Eli we wanted an AA that copied our level 38 spell but that saved us the convenience of having to mem the spell so thats not it. Eli and aristo were well aware that we were being given a means to turn mobs into Undead allowing us to use our charm, slow and mezz spells accordingly so that can't be it. My only guess is that we had 75% unmitigated undead slow, which could be used on any mob with the resist and timing factors being ignored, compared to an enchanters 70%(even though we have always had a higher cap of slow just limited to undead well before enchanters got it in many cases 20 levels later). But if thats the case then our slow should have just been dropped back to 70% and the extra two ranks refunded and removed.

I would love it if Xis could get some real information out of Elidrtoh for this change. I am appalled that they would come out with a 50% nerf without any explanation as to what the "unintended results" were with the slow being at 37.5% (partial).

It just doesn't make sense.